Verizon Offers Per-Day EV-DO Plan To Laptop Users
$15 A DAY!!
Are you kidding?
OK, I can see that there is a very small market who MAY find this useful, but why not drop it down to $5 or $10 and watch the weekend users jump on board. Bad move IMO VZW.
OK, I can see that there is a very small market who MAY find this useful, but why not drop it down to $5 or $10 and watch the weekend users jump on board. Bad move IMO VZW.
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yea, that price is really pathetic by verizon wireless. It is better to do get the pc-card and use it that way becuase it costs around $60 per month which is around $2/day not $15/day..
what a rip off!!!
what a rip off!!!
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I'd have to agree there. $15/day is really absurd.
Lets see, the average month has 30.41 days in it, their data service is $79/month (w/ no voice plan attached) so that's $2.59/day which means this $15/day thing is 579% higher cost than what they get a day for their monthly plan (and 1013% percent more than what they get for unlimted data tied to a voice plan).
Here's another fun factoid for you too, you can get the data plan for $45/month tied to your voice plan then use it for a few days and they PRO RATE IT for $1.48/day! So why would you pay $15/day when you could do the unlimited plan that's pro-rated and and get 10 days for $15??? Anyone that signs up for this is a moron.
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Lets see, the average month has 30.41 days in it, their data service is $79/month (w/ no voice plan attached) so that's $2.59/day which means this $15/day thing is 579% higher cost than what they get a day for their monthly plan (and 1013% percent more than what they get for unlimted data tied to a voice plan).
Here's another fun factoid for you too, you can get the data plan for $45/month tied to your voice plan then use it for a few days and they PRO RATE IT for $1.48/day! So why would you pay $15/day when you could do the unlimited plan that's pro-rated and and get 10 days for $15??? Anyone that signs up for this is a moron.
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yea, but with a voice it is $60/month, and with the 30.41 days that you gave to us, that means it costs $1.98 per day, instead of the $15/day thing.
they can just get the pc-card and full unlmited data plan!!! wow..
i hope no one signs up for this, lol..
well this is another dumb thing by verizon wireless' managment by restricting something like they are doing with their broadband and bluetooth products/services...
i think they are giving up, becuase sprint's PowerVision is so much better?
they can just get the pc-card and full unlmited data plan!!! wow..
i hope no one signs up for this, lol..
well this is another dumb thing by verizon wireless' managment by restricting something like they are doing with their broadband and bluetooth products/services...
i think they are giving up, becuase sprint's PowerVision is so much better?
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JamesEarlJones is on to something with his post... it isn't meant to entice weekend users.
In fact, if you read the news article in it's entirety, it ONLY works for those notebooks - so even if I wanted to try it for $15, I couldn't.
JamesEarlJones is on to something with his post... it isn't meant to entice weekend users.
In fact, if you read the news article in it's entirety, it ONLY works for those notebooks - so even if I wanted to try it for $15, I couldn't.
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See my response to JamesEarlJones...I don't care what the drive, it was the wrong way to do it...Why do drug dealers and television service providers give you the product for FREE for a while? TO GET YOU HOOKED. VZW apparently doesn't get that. Think about it, if someone wanted you to try HBO, Showtime etc for a week for $10 would you do it? Probably not...But if they wanted you to try it for FREE for 3 months? Of course you would do it. Thats why VZW should have worked deals with these laptop manufacturers to get a freee month of the service included with the laptops, to get these folks hooked.
Again, my previous post to JamesEarlJones says more on this...But the long and short of it is that it doesn't pass the "good deal" smell test an...
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perhaps, but why would someone get a laptop embedded with ev-do and paying $15/day instead just get one that isnt, get a pc-card and pay less then $2/ day.
$15/day? come on.
$15/day? come on.
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Is it possible that the monthly rate, and the daily use rate are targeted at two different customers? I would imagine there are customers that might use it, but certainly not enough to justify the monthly fee. Now they have another OPTION. Verizon is going after the occasional use customer. The I forgot to send this file, look up this info, submit this report, customer. If they decide they like it and sign up for a monthly plan, thats great. Otherwise, Verizon made a quick $15, and the customer got to be productive the one time they needed it. I always hear complaints that Verizon is too limiting, and now they are being more flexible; and people complain.
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Yea, they are going after a different kind of user AND trying to convert them into monthly users but their approach is all wrong. Anyone with half a brain can do the math on that in about .02 seconds and realize it's NOT "a deal".
Again, to hook new customers they should offer a free trial for a month with those laptops. To offer it to part time users they should have a reasonable hourly rate or X amount of hours a month (current x amount of data a month is not really reasonable for most people as they could easily use it all up in about an hour or two).
Again, to hook new customers they should offer a free trial for a month with those laptops. To offer it to part time users they should have a reasonable hourly rate or X amount of hours a month (current x amount of data a month is not really reasonable for most people as they could easily use it all up in about an hour or two).
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For the user that would rarely use it, it is a deal. If you only need it once a month, $15 is a lot better than 59.99 or 79.99. To those customers, doing the math as you say, works in their favor. While its great if they sign up for the monthly service, by not offering a daily service money is being left on the table. These customers would not be persuaded by a free month trial. That would still leave them with a future monthly bill.
Since you want to point out how to do the math...
Use once a month for a year @ $15 = $180/year
Free month, then monthly @59.99 = $659/year
Since you want to point out how to do the math...
Use once a month for a year @ $15 = $180/year
Free month, then monthly @59.99 = $659/year
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apparently reading comprehension issues are common here.
I've been saying the ENTIRE TIME I've been posting there that it doesn;t make any sense to pay $15/day for this if you can can simply sign up for monthly, use it for a few days at roughly $2/day depending on the plan you get then after a few days use cancel the service. They PRO RATE IT when you do this equaling about $2/day depending on the plan you choose -thus the $15/day doesn't make any sense an is a rip off...
Hopefully you get it this time.
I've been saying the ENTIRE TIME I've been posting there that it doesn;t make any sense to pay $15/day for this if you can can simply sign up for monthly, use it for a few days at roughly $2/day depending on the plan you get then after a few days use cancel the service. They PRO RATE IT when you do this equaling about $2/day depending on the plan you choose -thus the $15/day doesn't make any sense an is a rip off...
Hopefully you get it this time.
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apparently reading comprehension issues are common here.
I've been saying the ENTIRE TIME I've been posting there that it doesn;t make any sense to pay $15/day for this if you can can simply sign up for monthly, use it for a few days at roughly $2/day depending on the plan you get then after a few days use cancel the service. They PRO RATE IT when you do this equaling about $2/day depending on the plan you choose -thus the $15/day doesn't make any sense an is a rip off...
Hopefully you get it this time.
Except you can't do that. The $59.99 price is contingent upon a 2 year agreement. - you cancel, you pay the ETF...
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I could have sworn I said "after a few days use cancel the service" ... yup., I did say that and you don't pay a cancellation fee unless you cancel after the first 2 weeks.
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why would anyone spend $15/day, though? that is a waste of money.. i understand for catering to 2 differnt kinds of people.. one for the immediate use, and the other for the long term use, but if you want it for the immediate use, go do a 14 day trial and thats it.. it will be less then $15/day.!!
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why would anyone spend $15/day, though? that is a waste of money.. i understand for catering to 2 differnt kinds of people.. one for the immediate use, and the other for the long term use, but if you want it for the immediate use, go do a 14 day trial and thats it.. it will be less then $15/day.!!
This isn't aimed at folks who are going to use this service every day...it's aimed at people who're going to use it here and there and don't want anything to do with signing up for monthly service. Is that so difficult to understand? Do you EVER think outside the box? Geeze. Shut up already. 🙄
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You guys are not thinking about the fact that this $15.00 per day option is a non contract option, so while you are all saying 30.4 days divided by the cost of the (either $80 of $60 per month), the main thing that you forgot is to mutiply those per day numbers times 2 years. What is the overall cost there? 59.99 x 24 = $1439.76, that basically equals 100 days worth of use at 15.00 per day. That is 50 uses per year. I bet that there are a lot of people who would buy the laptops with internal cards and only use the card 2 or 3 weeks per year when they are taking a vacation or maybe they are one who travles for work but only occasionaly. At this rate if you used the access 49 days per year or less you are saving money with the 15.00 per day...
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yes...I agree.
but they will make tons of cash and it will convince some people to try the even higher monthly plan due to the fact its a better "value"
Everyone complains (with good cause) but VZW just keeps making money.
--which is their intent--
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but they will make tons of cash and it will convince some people to try the even higher monthly plan due to the fact its a better "value"
Everyone complains (with good cause) but VZW just keeps making money.
--which is their intent--
ShackAttack
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I was at starbucks the other day and wanted WiFi access.. they wanted $6 for ONE HOUR! so if I was there 3 hours I woulda paid 18$ and I COULDNT EVEN LEAVE THE BUILDING.. Think about if your on a 1 day business trip (which is what most of the people will be on with something like this) .
Those who travel more frequently will have plans set up. Everyone knows this is for extremely limited use!
Thats like saying.. well if it's $6 for one hour and 24hours and 30 days average = $4320 per month..
It's a great competitor for the T-Mobile WiFi hotspots. I do agree that they should offer a 4 hour, 1 week, 2, week options as well.
Possibly like 4 hours: $10
One Day: $15
One week: $40
Two Week: $50
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Those who travel more frequently will have plans set up. Everyone knows this is for extremely limited use!
Thats like saying.. well if it's $6 for one hour and 24hours and 30 days average = $4320 per month..
It's a great competitor for the T-Mobile WiFi hotspots. I do agree that they should offer a 4 hour, 1 week, 2, week options as well.
Possibly like 4 hours: $10
One Day: $15
One week: $40
Two Week: $50
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"what does everyone think of my pricing strategy? Think I should get paid the big bucks??"
no...because you actually think this is a good deal.
Per my previous post anyone that signs up for this is a moron.
no...because you actually think this is a good deal.
Per my previous post anyone that signs up for this is a moron.
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I'd have to agree with the intent on making money thing, but as a die-hard capitalist myself I just can't give credit to companies that make money by depending on the stupidity of the average person.
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Read my other posts including my post REPLYING to what you linked to above...(and next time, do that before attempting to insult someone for not knowing what they are talking about while at the same time showing proof in writing that you are the clueless member of the forum here).
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The other thing to remember about the coffee shop wi-fi thing is IT"S A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY. It's local access, not anywhere access. So comparing it to the coffee shops isn't apples for apples.
The coffee shop thing has been a rip off from the start...What wouldn't be is a free hour of wi-fi with your $3 latte then say a buck an hour after that or something.
Now for those that may want to flame me for the buck an hour comment being more expensive then VZW's $15/day go back and read the first paragraphs last sentence in this post. Also, most coffee shops aren't open 24x7 and are not in the business of supplying data and voice communications.
The coffee shop thing has been a rip off from the start...What wouldn't be is a free hour of wi-fi with your $3 latte then say a buck an hour after that or something.
Now for those that may want to flame me for the buck an hour comment being more expensive then VZW's $15/day go back and read the first paragraphs last sentence in this post. Also, most coffee shops aren't open 24x7 and are not in the business of supplying data and voice communications.
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Well, my point was that people actually pay this $9.99... So it isn't far fetched to expect for some people to actually pay $15 for EVDO for 24 hours...
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I realize that, but if I were a shareholder of VZW stock, I'd be pissed at them right now. They screwed the pooch in a massive way with this one. As I have mentioned in other posts here if they would have included a month free of the service with the purchase of one of these laptops mentioned, they would have hooked a TON of people long term. Instead with this $15/day thing it will be a few people here and there, no obligatory contracts for $45-$80/month and once they try it for a day they will associate in their minds "$15/day for the service" and be weighing that against the usefulness of it rather than having $45-$80/month in mind to continue this new service they have found invaluable for the last month. Also as a business model, the "pa...
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Free is just not an option... your not signing a contract to use the service... so its never going to be free not even for a month... now I think it would be a great way to offer a free month of EVDO service in a 2 year contract but I doubt that will ever happen and remember that people that just sign contracts with VZW for the laptop only and don't have a vzw phone its costing them 79.99/month its only 59.99 is you have a phone with vzw
15.00 a day is steep I think 10.00 would be better. but I am telling you I know people that would love to have this feature I've already had people willing to by an aircard outright if they were able to get 15.00 pricing just so the could use it on the boat while they are docked to check email..
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15.00 a day is steep I think 10.00 would be better. but I am telling you I know people that would love to have this feature I've already had people willing to by an aircard outright if they were able to get 15.00 pricing just so the could use it on the boat while they are docked to check email..
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Ok, first off there are TONS of contractual services that offer a free month or months, the rational that you are not signing a contract so how could they do a free month is just plain stupid; Many many companies do exactly that all the time to attract and retain new customers.
As I've mentioned in other posts (look there for details on this) a service that can be acquired for $2/day that is now being "offered" for $15/day (over 7 times the cost) is a rip off pure and simple.
VZW will get people to pay this, they will make money from it, but in the end it will NOT be popular, it will NOT result in high numbers of new contracts for the monthly service amd it will end up being killed by VZW as a result though it may take them a year or ...
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As I've mentioned in other posts (look there for details on this) a service that can be acquired for $2/day that is now being "offered" for $15/day (over 7 times the cost) is a rip off pure and simple.
VZW will get people to pay this, they will make money from it, but in the end it will NOT be popular, it will NOT result in high numbers of new contracts for the monthly service amd it will end up being killed by VZW as a result though it may take them a year or ...
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15 bucks!?!? A DAY?!?!
T-Mobile only charages 10 bucks a day ($45.00 a month) for their T-Mobile Hotspots and if one is
a T-Mobile customer (and I am) access is free on the weekends.
$15 dollars a day is as bad as Sprint charging $2.00 doallrs to download a song you can download for .99.
T-Mobile only charages 10 bucks a day ($45.00 a month) for their T-Mobile Hotspots and if one is
a T-Mobile customer (and I am) access is free on the weekends.
$15 dollars a day is as bad as Sprint charging $2.00 doallrs to download a song you can download for .99.
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I think the whole intent is for business or trial users. It's not outlandish. There were many times while on a business trip I had to stop what I was doing, find somewhere I could get access for either email access, retrieve a document, or get a download. It saved me even a half an hour of my time it would be well worth it. It would easy for me to justify a $15 charge for expenses every so often as opposed to a $60 a month charge.
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Read my other posts...Why would you pay $15/day even on a trial basis when you can pick up the phone, call VZW sign up for the unlimited monthly plan, use it for a few days, a week (whatever) then turn around and cancel it before the 14 day window has closed which results in a pro-rated charge equivilant to about $2/day.
If you think this $15/day is a good deal in any shade of glasses, rose colored or not, you shouldn't be in the business world and if you are, you must be in an incredibly and easily lucrative business to be able to continue to afford to make stupid decisions like thinking this $15/day plan is a "deal".
This is aside from the fact that "pay for trial" product offers perform horribly in any light and especially in compar...
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If you think this $15/day is a good deal in any shade of glasses, rose colored or not, you shouldn't be in the business world and if you are, you must be in an incredibly and easily lucrative business to be able to continue to afford to make stupid decisions like thinking this $15/day plan is a "deal".
This is aside from the fact that "pay for trial" product offers perform horribly in any light and especially in compar...
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What would be ideal is pay $15.00 for 24hrs in a month, that would be good or even $15.00 for 15hrs in a month, I would think that would sale. I mean what’s the difference if you use the hours in 1 day or spread out in a month the same time is still being use, but this might have an impact on customers who pay for the unlimited access, but then again they do need to drop that price, lets face it people the lower the cost the more the customers at least that’s how I see it and that has attracted more people to switch to DSL. 😉
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That would make more sense than 1 day for sure...but still, pay for trial isn't a big win most of the time.
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To each his own I guess. You obviously have your own agenda.
I wasn't talking about a trial. It would be ore like renting a car. I don't want or need the car for the whole month, I just need it for a day.
I wasn't talking about a trial. It would be ore like renting a car. I don't want or need the car for the whole month, I just need it for a day.
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Ok...car analogies, I can do that. Lets say the car payment is $400/month.
Now you get an "offer" to rent that same car daily for $133.33/day. Is that a good deal too?
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In case you need it, I'll help you with the math in that example. Unlimited data tied to a voice plan with VZW is $45/month...this new single day plan is $15/day. 45 divided by 15 equals 3. Now apply that to the car analogy: 400 divided by 3 is 133...even with a $200 payment, is the car you would buy for $200/month reasonable to rent for $66.66 a day? You get $40K-$50K cars for $66/day at most rental companies...something you can buy for $200/month rents for about $20-$25 a day at the most.
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Now you get an "offer" to rent that same car daily for $133.33/day. Is that a good deal too?
...I didn't think so...
In case you need it, I'll help you with the math in that example. Unlimited data tied to a voice plan with VZW is $45/month...this new single day plan is $15/day. 45 divided by 15 equals 3. Now apply that to the car analogy: 400 divided by 3 is 133...even with a $200 payment, is the car you would buy for $200/month reasonable to rent for $66.66 a day? You get $40K-$50K cars for $66/day at most rental companies...something you can buy for $200/month rents for about $20-$25 a day at the most.
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Thanks for proving my point.
You're under the assumption that the monthly and daily cost are related to each other, they aren't.
The cost of setting up an account for daily use vs monthly basis are vastly different. It will cost them more to set up an account. Is the profit margin more on a daily account? I don't know, I don't work for Verizon.
Now if you can go out and rent a car for $ 20 to $25 a day I would buy your argument a little more. Then again the price is really not the point. If I'm traveling and I need the access and it's going to be convenient, $15 a day isn't outlandish. I'm not concerned about the monthly cost.
You're under the assumption that the monthly and daily cost are related to each other, they aren't.
The cost of setting up an account for daily use vs monthly basis are vastly different. It will cost them more to set up an account. Is the profit margin more on a daily account? I don't know, I don't work for Verizon.
Now if you can go out and rent a car for $ 20 to $25 a day I would buy your argument a little more. Then again the price is really not the point. If I'm traveling and I need the access and it's going to be convenient, $15 a day isn't outlandish. I'm not concerned about the monthly cost.
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I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that I proved your point, but whatever.
The point is however that VZW EVDO Data service could be thought of as an apple. If you buy apples in bulk, the price will be cheaper, say $0.05/apple or something but buying an apple one at a time shouldn't cost you 3-5 times what a per apple cost is for buying it bulk (and in most situations except here with VZW this holds true). That single apple is usually somewhere around $0.07 or $0.08 when buying it one at a time. What Verizon is doing here is the equivilant of buying that single apple for up to $0.25 - it's just a rip off pure and simple.
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The point is however that VZW EVDO Data service could be thought of as an apple. If you buy apples in bulk, the price will be cheaper, say $0.05/apple or something but buying an apple one at a time shouldn't cost you 3-5 times what a per apple cost is for buying it bulk (and in most situations except here with VZW this holds true). That single apple is usually somewhere around $0.07 or $0.08 when buying it one at a time. What Verizon is doing here is the equivilant of buying that single apple for up to $0.25 - it's just a rip off pure and simple.
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I never stated it was a good deal, It's just not cost prohibitive. And in certain circumstances it can be beneficial for the casual user.
You're analogy with apples is weak at best. The cost of an apple or any product that is already sold for mass consumption does equate in this instance. Each time someone uses this product on a one day basis there are costs, that are considered one time costs to setup the account. This model would be different if they chose to go with a prepaid model, but even then there are costs associated with maintaining the account. I could see where if you were able to buy a card which would allow to use a set number of days, the costs would be considerably less expensive, but they haven't chosen to go that route and...
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You're analogy with apples is weak at best. The cost of an apple or any product that is already sold for mass consumption does equate in this instance. Each time someone uses this product on a one day basis there are costs, that are considered one time costs to setup the account. This model would be different if they chose to go with a prepaid model, but even then there are costs associated with maintaining the account. I could see where if you were able to buy a card which would allow to use a set number of days, the costs would be considerably less expensive, but they haven't chosen to go that route and...
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If you can get a service for $2/day and you can get it for only a few days if you want to (signing up for the monthly one, then cancelling it a few days later which results in a pro-rated amount) or you can get the exact same service and pay over 7 times as much for it, the latter IS A RIP OFF PERIOD.
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so....you seem to have left out the differences in having or not having a contract. Did I need that car forever or just for the weekend?
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A finance is a contract as well, haven't you ever financed a car? Now of course there is no cancellation fee, that's better known as paying the contract in full, trading the car in or selling it at which point for most car finances there is a significant loss there much, much greater than a cancellation fee. Plus, for what I'm talking about there is NO CANCELLATION FEE if you terminate the service before the end of the trial period (which I beleive is 2 weeks for Verizon service).
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