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so if cingular sold crappy phones would they have a quality network

Now, i've been in the mobile industry for years and have been interested in the mobile industry for many more years.

#1 verizon does not have crappy phones. their ratio of good to bad phones is the best out on the market. i am refering to how throughly they test their phones before they release them. some of their phones are pretty "neat," but yes, GSM has more. give it time. the future of wireless is NOT GSM. I know the Board of Verizon wireless knew to be the largest, and most stable wireless carrier out there, they needed to set their priority straight: their network. while the majority of companies try to bring out the latest and coolest phones, or try to balance latest and newest technology with enhancing their network, they are l...
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mcgee said:
so if cingular sold crappy phones would they have a quality network

How witty. Cingular's got some kinks to work out with their network...but they're closing the gap quick enough.

rambofone said:

muchdrama said:

rambofone said:
it so pains me to be a verizon customer. nuff said

You'll have to make a decision between a quality network and cool phones.

I hear you, that was just a little venting. I've already made that decision, that is why I have an lg4400 in my pocket. Hoping verizon get the Nokia3155 at the very least.

I absolutely hear you about the 3155...I'd seriously like that phone. The clock's ticking on my contract, though...and I'm not taking anything for granted. I was in a Cingular direct store checking out Siemens products (and the Sony-Ericsson z500).

muchdrama said:

rambofone said:

muchdrama said:

rambofone said:
it so pains me to be a verizon customer. nuff said

You'll have to make a decision between a quality network and cool phones.

I hear you, that was just a little venting. I've already made that decision, that is why I have an lg4400 in my pocket. Hoping verizon get the Nokia3155 at the very least.

I absolutely hear you about the 3155...I'd seriously like that phone. The clock's ticking on my contract, though...and I'm not taking anything for granted. I was in a Cingular direct store checking out Siemens products (and the Sony-Ericsson z500).

o no mi...
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joachim said:

muchdrama said:

rambofone said:

muchdrama said:

rambofone said:
it so pains me to be a verizon customer. nuff said

You'll have to make a decision between a quality network and cool phones.

I hear you, that was just a little venting. I've already made that decision, that is why I have an lg4400 in my pocket. Hoping verizon get the Nokia3155 at the very least.

I absolutely hear you about the 3155...I'd seriously like that phone. The clock's ticking on my contract, though...and I'm not taking anything for granted. I was in a Cingular direct store checking out Siemens products (and the Sony-Eri

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Good Luck with that muchdrama. My contract is also up in December. Going to be a tough call, cause if verizon releases the Nokia 3155 by then I will probably continue to hang with them. The moto e815 or the lg8100,not even the cdma razr is going to do it for me. Come on Nokia.

joachim said:
Good Luck with that muchdrama. My contract is also up in December. Going to be a tough call, cause if verizon releases the Nokia 3155 by then I will probably continue to hang with them. The moto e815 or the lg8100,not even the cdma razr is going to do it for me. Come on Nokia.

I'm with you on the Nokia part. If Verizon manages to get their act together and releases some nice mid to high end Nokia models...I'll seriously consider sticking with the carrier. I'm pretty enamored with the Nokia flips...I wonder if they'll exhibit the same type of reception my $20 dollar, plasticky marvel does? If I do go GSM, it'll be Nokia all the way (with a slight nod towards Siemens), as the company can do no wron...
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u do know the quality of sound OTA also is dependent on the phone you or the other party uses, right? dont be hostile. if something doesnt work well with you, it doesnt apply to everyone else.

GmanNJ said:
If verizon is such a quality network, why when a Verizon customer calls me it sounds like they are talking through wax paper, and sounds very tinny. And when someone from Cingular or Tmobile calls me sounds like a land line? I think GSM is both quality and has cooler phones. Coverage is getting better all the time, and I can use my phone practically all over the world. So I think you better rethink what quality actually means.

You can moan about the poor Verizon coverage in your area all you want, but no one's going to convince me that Cingular's overall network quality is better than Verizon's...at least not yet. Cingular's closing the gap as fast as they can...and they'd better if they want ...
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pcrisp07 said:
Not if it gets released on Cingular!

Ah, blind devotion.

no cingular does not. which is why cingular is planning to launch WCDMA in 06. this is why GSM is obsolete. its speed, reliability and stability are inferior to CDMA and other non aerospace technologies

GSM Obsolete compared to CDMA? What a joke. CDMA is so old, and has been replaced in most parts of the world by GSM. If you speak to people in other countries, that can't believe we still use CDMA here. Asia (Singapore) is much more advanced as far as cell phone usage goes. When phones are first released, they are released over there first. People over there laugh at us for still having CDMA here. Only reason CDMA is still around is because Verizon has such a huge investment in that technology that for them to switch to GSM would be too costly. WCDMA is not even based on CDMA technology, in fact, Verizon which uses CDMA is not even using WCDMA, they are going are using the 1XRt2 or whatever that weird name is. WCDMA works fine on GS...
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your high

Oh, and a few more things bad about CDMA, first, it uses alot of battery power. When I had a CDMA phone, I was constantly charing it, at least once a day. With GSM, I get much greater battery life. And for those health conscious users out there, CDMA phones produce alot more radiation than do GSM phones. Check the radiation charts. An example would be the V60c verses V60g. You can see lots and lots of examples.

wrong wrong wrong orange boy! Good lord man where have you been reading your information from.

Not sure where I am wrong. GSM has replaced CDMA in most Asian and European countries. A fact. Do a search on the interenet for GSM, and you will see this. Only CDMA countries are the US and Korea. Most of the rest of the world is on GSM, which replaced CDMA in these countries. WCDMA is used as an upgrade to GSM to bring it to 3G technology. Verizon, the user of CDMA technology does not use WCDMA but it used 1xRTT instead to upgrade. You don't have to have CDMA to upgrade to WCDMA, and WCDMA does not replace GSM but replaces GPRS. Here is an article to prove my point which states that verizon might switch technologies. Here you go: http://news.com.com/2100-1033-268198.html

you crack me up, that is an article from 2001 man. you must just be acting silly. Good laugh, thanks man

My point with sharing the article was to point out that it is not CDMA providers like Verizon that are adopting the 3G WCDMA, but GSM providers are doing it. Verizon, CMDA is using 3G 1xRTT for their 3G. And yes, whether you believe it or not, Verizon is considering switching technologies. This article may be from 2001, but it is still relevant. I have a friend who works for Verizon and has told me that. He even uses Cingular as his phone provider. Figure that. But here is another article, may not be from 2005 but it explains the different technologies and who is adopting what. You will see that GSM is using WCDMA for 3G and Verizon is using 1XRTT. Further more, worldwide you will see what % of the world still uses CDMA. If it wasn...
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You mean Verizon and other carriers are using EV-DO for their 3G solution. 1xRtt is the current tech. being used.

Your funny

there are pros and cons for each type of technology. I would not mind the whole world being under one technology, but u gotta remember, GSM is $$$, and slow. the price of bandwidth forGSM right now is far too much. if providers can hardly afford it now, how will they satisfy the demands of this fast paced world? 😳 i guess we gotta wait and let time take its toll, huh?

not from what ive been told. korea has recently launced CDMA as their primary technology. cdma is cheaper, faster, and more stable. ive had plenty of experience with GSM and cdma phones. try going under thick trees with GSM haha. my brother has my verizon employee phone right now, and he prefers it over his "POS" cingular service. its all personal preference. but as far as whats optimal, that would be good "ol" CDMA. of course, there is always room for improvement

forgot to mention that half the time i get a GSM incoming call from a friend on my sprint employee phone, i cant seem to un...*choppy*...der....*static*....sta....*ch oppy static*...nd them. they usually tell me they cant get service underneath their paper thin walls.

LOL. Sprint can't even compete in my area. Used to have them, never will again. GSM in the past had problems of coverage. That is why you had the choppy messages. But I would say over the last 2 years, more towers have been built by GSM providers, and in my area, they NYC/NJ area, GSM is very good. Both Cingular and Tmobile have good coverage now. I have a signal everywhere now. So that isn't even an issue now like it used to be. In my office, Wayne, NJ, the only phones that have coverage are GSM phones in doors. So I am not sure what all this fuss is about GSM not good at going through building walls. Verizon users have no signal indoors here. So I will leave it at that.

you don't even know what you're talking about, do you? GSM towers, huh? LOL! 🤣 you're annoying. shut up. 😲

That is a very adult response.



If you want to get technical the 850 mhz that cingular uses (in most areas) is better at penetrating walls and surfaces than the higher frequencies that CDMA providers use (1900 mhz if memory serves)

CDMA plays off of cordless phone hype. in cordless phones the higher the frequency the higher end marketing. The jump from 900 mhz cell phones to 2.4 gig phones was not due to a problem with the frequency but interference from other products using the same frequency.


However since with home phones (you know... the ancient things people used before the wireless explosion) higher freq was better many assume that since sprint and verizon use higher frequency their signal will penetrate better. This i...
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That info may apply to Sprint but Verizon uses 850/1900 MHz. Same spectrum as US GSM, different technology. That analogy was no good because Cingular uses 1900MHz in many areas as well as 850.