Verizon Challenges FCC's Net Neutrality Push
You just don't get it
Verizon may be out for their own interests, but they're right. The FCC is part of the executive branch. Their job is enforcement of laws made by Congress, not to make their own laws.
All these agencies we have are clearly in violation of the US Constitution which only grants such authority to Congress.
All these agencies we have are clearly in violation of the US Constitution which only grants such authority to Congress.
So you're saying that Congress has no idea what the FCC has done here?
John B.
John B.
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Stop Presidents from legislating (*signing executive orders*) and then we'll talk. As long as we're going to allow the executive branch powers it should not have I am all for stopping big business from walking over the people.
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Well VZC may have their own interests in mind when pointing out the flaws in the FCC's proposal, we also have to ask ourselves what does the FCC gain with this? And if the answer to that question is extra power that they shouldn't have, then the pric...
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crood said:...
Verizon may be out for their own interests, but they're right. The FCC is part of the executive branch. Their job is enforcement of laws made by Congress, not to make their own laws.
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Sorry, Verizon.
Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate commerce "among the several states" and to make all laws "necessary and proper" to executing its constitutional powers. The FCC is empowered by Congress to oversee and regulate communications, which includes the internet.
The issue of net neutrality is about ensuring free market competition among providers and among websites on the internet. Internet providers are, in the best cases, an oligopoly, and in worst cases, a monopoly, in whatever area they operate. For example, if I want broadband internet where I live, I either get Charter cable or AT&T DSL. An oligopoly is not a free market situation because the companies involved will frequently collude to ...
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The issue of net neutrality is about ensuring free market competition among providers and among websites on the internet. Internet providers are, in the best cases, an oligopoly, and in worst cases, a monopoly, in whatever area they operate. For example, if I want broadband internet where I live, I either get Charter cable or AT&T DSL. An oligopoly is not a free market situation because the companies involved will frequently collude to ...
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This is by far the best post about this current subject. F-U VZN! Power to the people and not the billion dollar corporations. Like they really need more profit?
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Does anyone here realize....
Anyone realize that every cable network and every ISP that has built there respective networks have done so through Government subsidy?
I hear a lot of people talk about Constitutional this and that. These ISPs and cable operators build there networks with the help of tax payer money. Verizon stopped building out there FiOS network not because they are low on cash but because they are waiting on the next round of government subsidies for ISP's to build out there networks.
So, if my tax dollars are being spent to help these institutions build there infrastructure so provide me for profit services then these institutions either need to accept FCC control or payback these subsidies in there entirety from 1990 to 2011.
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I hear a lot of people talk about Constitutional this and that. These ISPs and cable operators build there networks with the help of tax payer money. Verizon stopped building out there FiOS network not because they are low on cash but because they are waiting on the next round of government subsidies for ISP's to build out there networks.
So, if my tax dollars are being spent to help these institutions build there infrastructure so provide me for profit services then these institutions either need to accept FCC control or payback these subsidies in there entirety from 1990 to 2011.
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Thumbs up! We need a "like" button on here. And why anyone would argue that a corporation should be able to limit the web as if it were the long arm of China is beyond me.
Ignorance amazes me
So many ignorant people here it's disgusting. Some of you people are completely missing the point on why Net Neutrality is bad all around. One reason has already been stated - it's been executed unconstitutionally. I suppose a lot of people here are blind libbies anyway so they don't know the difference. Whatever...sound off that VZW is the "bad guy" for calling the FCC out for breaking the law. I say, kudos to VZW for standing up for the law (regardless of their reasoning).
These are the same folks who speak out against the power grab by the Bush administration.
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I really don't think VZ is as concerned about the law as their pockets.
John B.
John B.
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trenen said:...
So many ignorant people here it's disgusting. Some of you people are completely missing the point on why Net Neutrality is bad all around. One reason has already been stated - it's been executed unconstitutionally. I
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If ignorance amazes you then you must find yourself truly amazing.
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AMERICA'S DIRTIEST NETWORK
i hope u guys go bankrupt one day so you can't continue to screw people. LEAVE THE INTERNET ALONE. IT'S NOT YOURS TO TAMPER WITH YOU SCUM BAGS!
**** verizon
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thats kind of harsh , ...
well actually not really .. i agree ..
well actually not really .. i agree ..
LEAVE BRITTNEY ALONE... LEAVE HER ALONE!!!
Hey FCC
Can you hear me now? Good.
Can we abolish this out of control rogue agency already?
We shouldn't be surprised at the FCC's thuggish tactics now, as it has always been a thuggish agency.
The original mandate of the FCC was to shut down radio stations that criticized FDR, which it did quite effectively, it has never had any legitimate constitutional mission and is now getting completely out of control exceeding its official mandates left and right and is becoming a rogue agency.
Can we abolish this out of control rogue agency already?
We shouldn't be surprised at the FCC's thuggish tactics now, as it has always been a thuggish agency.
The original mandate of the FCC was to shut down radio stations that criticized FDR, which it did quite effectively, it has never had any legitimate constitutional mission and is now getting completely out of control exceeding its official mandates left and right and is becoming a rogue agency.
They're certainly not worried about consumers
We believe this assertion of authority goes well beyond any authority provided by Congress, and creates uncertainty for the communications industry, innovators, investors and consumers."
..........only their wallets. I think the world and consumers have gotten by just fine with the internet operating wide-open as it always has been.
..........only their wallets. I think the world and consumers have gotten by just fine with the internet operating wide-open as it always has been.
agreed, allow me to use the device as i see fit
To some extent, net neutrality hurts customers. When Verizon or other service providers can solicit money from websites to allow them to load faster on their network, that gives companies an additional revenue stream other than traditional customers. ...
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We believe this assertion of authority goes well beyond any authority provided by Congress, and creates uncertainty for the communications industry, innovators, investors and consumers."
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Everyone hates the big V and yet...
...there's bigger fish to fry.
Comcast, for example, and their network poisining system Sandvine, designed to keep people from bittorrenting (or any other kinds of packetory abuse), and also their 250GB data allowance on an "Unlimited" plan...
Comcast, for example, and their network poisining system Sandvine, designed to keep people from bittorrenting (or any other kinds of packetory abuse), and also their 250GB data allowance on an "Unlimited" plan...
Gee--
--a huge corporation mad about the FCC protecting Americans from, well, corporations? No way!
what a crime. somebody should make a law against that... oh wait. they did and it failed!
Litigation won't solve anything
Verizon could save a hell of a lot of money on legal fees fighting the FCC if they just went to a fair, consistent, tiered pricing model on all their internet pipes- FiOS, DSL and cellular.
That would push consumers to pay attention to how much they're consuming. Then, service providers would start paying attention to bitstream optimization practices so they could continue to provide their wares at a lower bit rate.
And finally, network infrastructure would see a slower increase in demand, and build-out plans might actually be able to keep up with consumption levels only doubling every few years instead of every 18 months. What a novel idea...
That would push consumers to pay attention to how much they're consuming. Then, service providers would start paying attention to bitstream optimization practices so they could continue to provide their wares at a lower bit rate.
And finally, network infrastructure would see a slower increase in demand, and build-out plans might actually be able to keep up with consumption levels only doubling every few years instead of every 18 months. What a novel idea...
CellStudent said:...
Verizon could save a hell of a lot of money on legal fees fighting the FCC if they just went to a fair, consistent, tiered pricing model on all their internet pipes- FiOS, DSL and cellular.
That would push cons
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