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History is repeating itself... The Death of Palm
Bottom line, not enough consumers are buying their devices, even die hard Blackberry fan bois are migrating to iOS and Android, even congress has pushed to ditch their federally issued Blackberries in favor of their privately owned iPhones.
I remember when, and many of you should as well, a time when Palm and RIM dominated the Smartphones. But they both did too little too late they felt they were too big and successful to fail.
Palm struggled with several ill fated ideas like adapting to windows the 700wx, 800w and 850w. The Treo Companion the Foleo, The Godforsaken Centro (Palm OS in a Dollar Store Package). Finally they launched the Pre about ONE YEAR TOO LATE the Pre was what hardcore Palm users had been waiting for but it was too ...
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I remember when, and many of you should as well, a time when Palm and RIM dominated the Smartphones. But they both did too little too late they felt they were too big and successful to fail.
Palm struggled with several ill fated ideas like adapting to windows the 700wx, 800w and 850w. The Treo Companion the Foleo, The Godforsaken Centro (Palm OS in a Dollar Store Package). Finally they launched the Pre about ONE YEAR TOO LATE the Pre was what hardcore Palm users had been waiting for but it was too ...
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There is no such thing as being 'too late' to enter a market....
If there were, Toyota and Honda never would have been successful when they entered the US automobile market in the 1970's.
If there was such a thing as 'too late' the Apple iPhone never could have been successful.
If there was such a thing as 'too late' Microsoft Office never would have been successful, after all you already had WordPerfect, Lotus 1,2,3 and Dbase, who needed, Word, Excel or Access?
If there was such a thing as 'too late', Windows never could have been successful, after all you already had the Mac, the Atari ST, the Commodore 64, the Amiga, the Apple II...who needed yet another operating system?
The failure of webOS is not due to its being 'too ...
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If there were, Toyota and Honda never would have been successful when they entered the US automobile market in the 1970's.
If there was such a thing as 'too late' the Apple iPhone never could have been successful.
If there was such a thing as 'too late' Microsoft Office never would have been successful, after all you already had WordPerfect, Lotus 1,2,3 and Dbase, who needed, Word, Excel or Access?
If there was such a thing as 'too late', Windows never could have been successful, after all you already had the Mac, the Atari ST, the Commodore 64, the Amiga, the Apple II...who needed yet another operating system?
The failure of webOS is not due to its being 'too ...
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I wanted Palm to survive. Heck my wife finally traded in her 755P for an iPhone 4S last January.
People are not buying Blackberries, they don't care or are asking when Blackberry 10 is coming out. The majority of Playbooks (an AWESOME DEVICE) were sold on CLEARANCE!
As far as service and repair exchanges the blackberry it hitting the top of the list percentage wise.
There is a core group of diehards that will never leave blackberry but that group is dwindling and may no longer be enough to maintain sustainability.
People are not buying Blackberries, they don't care or are asking when Blackberry 10 is coming out. The majority of Playbooks (an AWESOME DEVICE) were sold on CLEARANCE!
As far as service and repair exchanges the blackberry it hitting the top of the list percentage wise.
There is a core group of diehards that will never leave blackberry but that group is dwindling and may no longer be enough to maintain sustainability.
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While I may never buy a Blackberry, I don't count them out. Palm, was a self destructive company, similar to Kodak, the old AT&T which never could feel the pulse of the market, nor cared to. I do think RIM in some ways, missed the boat, but I also think they understood that. Now is waiting for Q3 or Q4 to make a major OS change and phone revision too late? It just maybe. Most likely they will be able to maintain their corporate clients.
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You hit the nail on the head! Corporate Clients. That was the core of their user base.
I remember when you had to be a business customer to even get a blackberry.
But companies that you wouldn't think would adopt the iPhone are like the freaking US Government
I remember when you had to be a business customer to even get a blackberry.
But companies that you wouldn't think would adopt the iPhone are like the freaking US Government
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MadFatMan said:
You hit the nail on the head! Corporate Clients. That was the core of their user base.
I remember when you had to be a business customer to even get a blackberry.
But companies that you wouldn't think would adopt the iPhone are like the freaking US Government
The US government allows a choice of iPhones in certain cases. It really depends on what job you have within the government with what agency as to what you are allowed to carry. Have a job where camera phones are not allowed? Sorry iPhone!
Need to remotely provision, configure, and restore devices? Sorry iPhone, your not very good at it.
http://www.sophos.com/en-us/security-news-trends/sec ... »...
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If Blackberry is anything it is a Security, Email, Message, Business JUGGERNAUT!
It's presence in the US consumer market is sharply dwindling.
With all due respect, the past couple of harware releases have felt cheap and have fallen short of expectations... Like the touch screen BOLD ..
It's presence in the US consumer market is sharply dwindling.
With all due respect, the past couple of harware releases have felt cheap and have fallen short of expectations... Like the touch screen BOLD ..
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It depends upon an individuals definition of "expectations" and falling short of it though.
No 4G? Not running the latest cutting edge processors? Using the last version of an OS that has been around a little too long in the phone world? Yes
Above average battery life because it doesn't have 4G(for a smartphone), no nonsense approach in terms of communications with email, messaging, etc? Yes
Build quality is generally pretty good with Rim products although I would have to agree that as all phones in general get thinner, it's getting harder for anyone to make durable products. 5 plus years ago, a good selling point for blackberries was that you could almost throw them against a wall with no damage...very durable. They built some ta...
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No 4G? Not running the latest cutting edge processors? Using the last version of an OS that has been around a little too long in the phone world? Yes
Above average battery life because it doesn't have 4G(for a smartphone), no nonsense approach in terms of communications with email, messaging, etc? Yes
Build quality is generally pretty good with Rim products although I would have to agree that as all phones in general get thinner, it's getting harder for anyone to make durable products. 5 plus years ago, a good selling point for blackberries was that you could almost throw them against a wall with no damage...very durable. They built some ta...
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Jarahawk said:
That's why I buy Otterboxes.
Cases seem mandatory these days. Otterboxes are great. Seidio has a some pretty good cases too.
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Versed said:
While I may never buy a Blackberry, I don't count them out. Palm, was a self destructive company, similar to Kodak, the old AT&T which never could feel the pulse of the market, nor cared to. I do think RIM in some ways, missed the boat, but I also think they understood that. Now is waiting for Q3 or Q4 to make a major OS change and phone revision too late? It just maybe. Most likely they will be able to maintain their corporate clients.
I agree, Palm was a self destructive company. The minute they adopted Windows mobile and failed to innovate their own OS in a timely manner I knew they were done for. It made them irrelevant when they did that.
Foleo burned their cash reserves to the poin...
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MadFatMan said:
People are not buying Blackberries, they don't care or are asking when Blackberry 10 is coming out. The majority of Playbooks (an AWESOME DEVICE) were sold on CLEARANCE!
There is a core group of diehards that will never leave blackberry but that group is dwindling and may no longer be enough to maintain sustainability.
This is only right from the viewpoint of people that live in certain countries. The U.S. being one of them.
Apple and Android are having an impossible time in many counties cracking emerging markets where RIM still dominates. RIM still dominates in much of Europe, India with a billion plus people made RIM number one.
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I agree on India and emerging markets, but not europe. Except for the UK, it really didn't sell well.
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Palm was an innovative company that made good products but behind the scenes they were always in crisis, Palm was a very poorly managed company that always struggled to make a profit. Even when they were at their peak in the mid to late 90's when it seemed that everyone and his brother was carrying a Palm Pilot they were struggling to make ends meet, and during their entire history they were always one fiscal quarter away from bankruptcy.
Even the most favorable observer would have had to agree that Palm was always destined to destroy itself through idiocy.
RIM isn't like that, RIM has always been a well managed company that had big profit margins. Their problem isn't mismanagement or incompetence. Their problem is that they starte...
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Even the most favorable observer would have had to agree that Palm was always destined to destroy itself through idiocy.
RIM isn't like that, RIM has always been a well managed company that had big profit margins. Their problem isn't mismanagement or incompetence. Their problem is that they starte...
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I think so, but honestly, I long ago gave up trying to keep up with Palm's convoluted history, they were bought up, spun off, merged more times in 10 years than most companies experience in 200 years.
People complain that they gave up on the Palm OS and adopted first Windows Mobile and then webOS....you know why they did that? Because during one of the myriad acquisitions the company went through, they were split into two, one company bought up part of Palm, and another company bought up the other part. As a result, Palm ended up losing the legal rights to their own operating system.
Think about that for a moment....they were so poorly managed that they ended up losing the legal right to use their own operating system and were forc...
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People complain that they gave up on the Palm OS and adopted first Windows Mobile and then webOS....you know why they did that? Because during one of the myriad acquisitions the company went through, they were split into two, one company bought up part of Palm, and another company bought up the other part. As a result, Palm ended up losing the legal rights to their own operating system.
Think about that for a moment....they were so poorly managed that they ended up losing the legal right to use their own operating system and were forc...
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By the way, you are wrong, the Blackberry failure and exchange is lower than for any other smartphone, Blackberries have the most reliable and least failure prone hardware in the business. This has been documented again and again.
On the other hand, Androids phones are the LEAST reliable.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/android-handsets- ... »
On the other hand, Androids phones are the LEAST reliable.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/android-handsets- ... »
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