User: Phoner
These are the most recent forum messages posted by Phoner:
Re: When all else fails...
LightSquared's terrestrial transmissions interfere with many GPS receivers.
If the receivers don't properly filter out the (legitimate) signals on the adjacent bands, transmissions on those bands will cause problems. Not necessarily LightSquared's fault.
Re: There is no such thing as unlimited data.
T Bone said:
Let's be clear about that okay, mobile broadband is a FINITE resource, you cannot possibly promise that everyone gets an infinite amount of it.
The bandwidth is already limited by the connection speed, and by the number of days in a month. If a device can handle 2MB/sec, it's limited to 2x3600x24x31=5.4 GB/month.
Now, 3G max data rate is closer to 20MB/sec. Which means, if you start selling 3G devices, you better have a network that can ...
Because...
... so far, this is the only AT&T Froyo with a keyboard. Seriously 8O
Hopefully, not for long though :-)...
Re: More than fair:
Well, imagine that you're a network admin. To stop that virus, you'd need to log in to your brother's machine - either remotely, or in person. So, you'd need a password to an account that allows remote access. And, once you stopped the virus, your brother could simply start it again (accidentally).
To lock out a program permanently, so that your brother can't restart it, you'd need higher privileges than your brother - on his computer. ...
Re: More than fair:
mrpmpfan said:
Talks to a car's controllers? To do what?
Lots of things. Mainly - monitor, troubleshoot, and update. And by the way, not everything that is called "vehicle" is a car.
You must be a busy programmer if you have time to come on here and type a response to ever story.This is weak even by your standards.
Grasshopper, you have lots to learn :D
Re: More than fair:
In case you've forgotten, you were asking why I needed a smartphone without data. Is your curiousity satisfied?
mrpmpfan said:
Name me a single cellphone company that has a warranty that covers the entire 2 yr contract?What's your point? I just used AT&T as example. You asked me what do I do if I ran into a warranty problem. The answer - I'd have to eat up the cost, just like somebody whose phone broke down before ...
Re: More than fair:
In general, there are two ways to impact the network. The first one is creating too much traffic (doesn't matter malicious or not). That one is easy to fix - throttle down or cap the bandwidth.
The other way is malicious - faking out packet headers, screwing with router tables and priorities, pretending to be a server or a different device, that sort of thing. Locking the app won't fix this one - most likely, the app ...
Re: More than fair:
I thought SIM cloners run on PCs, and use hardware to read/write SIM cards. I guess there's no reason one couldn't write one for a cellphone :)
In general - if you've got users running an open OS, you better be ready for all sorts of malware. Unfortunately, phone companies try to deal with it by locking down the devices, so the OS is no longer open - bathwater and baby both locked out.
Re: More than fair:
mrpmpfan said:
Have fun when your phone has an issue and its not covered by AT&T's warranty or insurance. Yup, it's a risk. But as it is, AT&T warranty doesn't cover the entire term of contract - which is pretty scandalous, if you ask me.
Explain what you do on a smartphone that can't be done on a messaging phone like an Impression or Xenon?I'm pretty sure that I explained it several times in this thread, but here it is ...
Re: More than fair:
Right now it's an embedded device that sits on a vehicle and talks to vehicle controllers over a proprietary data network. It's based on WinCE 6.0 - that's the platform that the WinMo 7.0 will use.
I'd love to have a WinCE 6.0 device, but they are few and far between. For my needs, WinMo 6.x (which is based on WinCE 5.2) is good enough for light prototyping.
Re: More than fair:
mrpmpfan said:
You have home internet don't you?
You have car insurance?
You have cable/sat TV?
Pay for online gaming?
I do have home internet, pay for it, and use it. I do have car insurance, pay for it, and yes, I absolutely need it. I have life insurance, too - bought it, because I need it. Don't have cable/sat TV, don't have / don't pay for any kind of gaming. I watch movies on a projector, hooked up to ...
Re: More than fair:
mrpmpfan said:
Impression is not considered a smartphone it works with the $10 family data plan.That's what I thought, too.
But your "need" for a phone with GPS, wifi and texting keyboard sounds like you should pony up the $40 it requires to have the data plan and GPS service.You and I already pay for the GPS "service" through taxes. The $10 per month is AT&T's price of using the "navigator" software subscription, which is abolutely useless to me. ...
Re: More than fair:
asLeepLessman said:
Truth is, if this is what you need, you need a Smartphone without Data. Yet, nobody will admit to that and so you will continue to try and explain your point in different ways that they will not except.
I'd put it this way - I need a smartphone, and don't care about cellular data. Certainly don't care enough to fork over $30 per month for it. From my POV, this is simply a way for AT&T ...
Re: More than fair:
Who said anything about Blackberry? I need to be able to run Windows Mobile software. Samsung Impression runs a proprietary OS.
Re: More than fair:
As far as I'm concerned, the phone company is free to sell anything they like. If they don't offer what I want, I'll buy it from a different company.
mrpmpfan said:
People do not need to buy a Smartphone when they have no plans on using it for its intended purpose.
Smartphones are by nature universal devices, like computers. Their "intended purpose" is very broad.
There are plenty of non-smartphones that have txt, mms, and email options that have data opt ...
Re: Re if someone cannot afford the data plan
ExploderBlade said:
The[n] get a regular PDA...you know, with out the phone tech in it. Or buy an unlocked WINMo phone and use it as such. OR, get a Sprint WinMo with out data, OR, just [p]ay for the dang data....simple.
Here's what you should've said: "Oh I see now why you need a smartphone, thanks for the explanation".
What, where, and how to buy - I'll figure out all by myself, thank you very much.
Re: Re if someone cannot afford the data plan
ExploderBlade said:
They actually do....It's at the bottom of your contratc, where it says ATT withholds the right to switch up their network at anytime. Anything you dowload to your device stays there until you remove it. If ATT decides to axe it before you get hold of it, then you gotta deal.
Forget the network services and stuff that I download. Administrative access means control over everything on the device and the memory card.
An administrator can view, delete, and ...
Re: More than fair:
bp3dots1 said:
Normally we're on the same page Phoner, but the issue I see here is that while you bought the phone, it's running on their service. So It's not unresaonable that they have a say in what services they provide you.
I don't have a problem with AT&T controlling their services (before I sign a subscription contract).
What I don't like, is them controlling the device that I bought, for example choosing which third party apps I can and can't ...
This is the same as with cars and xbox'es
If a company needs to raise prices, or change their product line, they will - as is their right.
The rest is marketing talk, justifications, and trying to sweeten the pill, to make it seem like the change is somehow in the interests of the consumer.
Re: People are just ignorant sometimes...
asLeepLessman said:
Yup, its is AT&T's Right. And once Everyone else Creates the same Policy, it will no longer be a "Right" It will be a standard. At which point, what will you do then? Give up and get a Non-Smartphone or pay the $30?
If all gas stations in town are selling gas for $6.00 a gallon, what do you do? Pay the money. Or walk. Or buy an electric car.
So you write your own software for ...
Re: People are just ignorant sometimes...
InstantClassic said:
I think AT&T is following the CDMA carriers as of doing this.
Yup. While irritating for smartphone owners who don't want the data plan, it's AT&T's right.
But why would you get a data phone with no data. it's pointless.
"Pointless" is paying for something I'd never, or hardly ever, use. From my point of view, a Smartphone is a tiny computer. I want it to run the applications that I need, and nothing else. I don't ...
Re: More than fair:
doomtroll said:
The whole argument about this change is people not using things as they are intended, which is most of the problem.
Well, there's this whole concept of "buying" - after I bought something, it's mine, so I'm free to use it in whatever way I want it.
Sadly I wish the carriers would make things like this more Black & White as warranty is.
To make things truly black and white, they'd have to sell devices, financing, and voice/data services all ...
Re: More than fair:
With AT&T, one can check your minutes and data usage by logging on to their website. Or download a third-party usage monitor program. But I don't think there's any active data usage tracking. The tools are there, but they require active participation.
It comes down to this: People get high bills they didn't expect, because they didn't pay attention. So AT&T gets to charge "pay per use" rates, but also gets the angry support calls.
I ...
Re: More than fair:
doomtroll said:
This could cause just as many problems, because customers don't track what data they use, and a vast majority would complain once they hit their cap and couldn't use it till they either changed their plan, or waited till their next billing cycle started.
Well, customers really can't track the data traffic. Not without specialized tools. Do you know how much bandwidth your browser used when it loaded this web page? All the HTML, images, ...
Re: I'd rather use Wi-Fi
Menno said:
It is about as useful as discussing thermodynamics with a toddler. :D
LOL, here's what you'd get in reply from mine:
http://images49.fotki.com/v1556/photos /2/214332/7829097/P6080553-vi.jpg
Re: More than fair:
bp3dots1 said:
And sure, if people aren't responsible about their useage they'll end up paying more, yeah the company knows it, but the company is in it for money. All fair in my book.
But from that point of view, angry support calls of "irresponsible" customers who think they've been tricked, is a normal part of the business and is to be expected.
Re: More than fair:
bp3dots1 said:
as to your points:
3 - The first part (handset price) would be more of a before it's sold issue. The second part ("oops useage") would still have to be paid for, so there would still be complaining. Ofc people can return the handset within 30 days, but as usual they are charged for any usage they incurred.
Granted. But there's always some complaining and techsupport calls from first-time buyers. I doubt this single scenario is significant ...
Re: More than fair:
bp3dots1 said:
I agree that people buying unlocked phones from outside sources should have the choice. With the stipulations:
-All data has to be blocked, or if PPU is chosen, the customer has no availability for disputing the incurred PPU charges.
What about using data on wifi?
-No subsidized pricing on handsets bought from carrier stores/3rd party sellers.
Well, the phones are at least partly subsidised by the voice plan. Have three price structures for hand sets - "no commitment", "voice only", ...
Re: to all the wi-fi abusers out there....
gjh1978 said:
I wouldn't be suprised to see GPS crippled in the near future unless you subscribe to the navigator plan...hahaha
Yup, it's locked out in many AT&T phones.
What irks me, is that a cell data-based GPS program is unreliable when you need it most - when travelling or hiking, so cell signal can be spotty or absent.
If you want the features, pay the money...if you want to sync your contacts and calendar, buy a RAZR and moto mobile phone tools....
Even ...
Re: I'd rather use Wi-Fi
Menno said:
"We wanted to offer customers choice in the devices they used on their plans; however, over the years, it's become apparent to us that customers cannot handle this responsibility and ended up costing us more money than they were worth. To solve this, we are unfortunately removing certain phone/plan combinations to save our company money and reduce the excedrin usage of our call reps."
Which is quite logical. What I don't get though, are these discussions. ...
Re: Why no more Pay Per Use
Overmann said:
So you want to block data? Not a good idea. This breaks a lot of the phone's features, including Picture Messaging.
Not a good idea as long as you assume that I don't know what I'm doing. This is not the case.
If you are buying a smartphone, you are either Browsing the web a LOT, or you are doing Email a LOT. If you do neither of those, you do not need a smartphone, a normal phone will ...
Re: Re if someone cannot afford the data plan
Menno said:
So while I agree that they got themselves into this mess, raising the price above that 199 is a lot more difficult for a company than it sounds.
Don't get me started on this whole iPhone thing. Suddenly, a whole bunch of people decided that they must have an expensive device, with an expensive multimedia network connection. Nice GUI can only account for so much, the rest must be some kind of woodoo that only Steve Jobs ...
Re: without being mean
Menno said:
The reason he said what he did was because of others (read some other threads) resorting to name calling when he said something simple like "Smartphone's are built for data."
Yup, like here:
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discus s.php?fm=m&ff=4733&fi=2140329
Re: Why Have A PDA With No Data Plan...
And reading eBooks. And doing shopping lists. And writing trip notes. And viewing pictures. And running anything from myriads of available software titles. And running custom software. The list goes on and on. It's a mini-computer, it will do whatever you ask it to.
Re: a little thing called CHOICE
Kryger said:
well if your signal is weak in your basement..go outside.
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Thank you kind Sir, thank you so much!
On a completely unrelated note, do you by any chance work in customer support?
if u need a data phone for wifi for that purpose only youre an idiot.
Hmm, perhaps you used to work in customer support?
Re: what is worse
matonater said:
then dont buy a pda phone if you think its useless
Whatever gave you that idea?
To me, the cell data services are useless. What I need, is a Windows Mobile handheld PDA with wifi and GPS, that also makes and receives calls.
and att provides the service and phones so anything involving the service and phone is completely their choice
Absolutely. I'm not telling AT&T what to do. Than again, it's AT&T's job to look after AT&T, and ...
Re: what is worse
So does mine. I only put liquid into it when I want to drink, and I'm the one who decides what that liquid is.
Re: what is worse
Menno said:
Which i agree with (to a point) The problem is that unlike a computer, the phone you get is just your way to connect to the network, and how you use your phone directly impacts the network (using it for voice as opposed to connecting it to 3g for data). Companies should have some say in the phones on their network because, as shown by the iphone, your usage can negatively impact others.
Oh, absolutely. The ...
Re: Re if someone cannot afford the data plan
doomtroll said:Then buy a phone you will "use" not a smart phone that requires data you wont "use"
But what I need is a Windows Mobile mini-computer with GPS, wifi, and text keyboard, that also functions as a phone. These are only marketed as smartphones.
Re: Re if someone cannot afford the data plan
Menno said:
I have no issue with people buying unlocked phones and using it without data.
He-he, my third party Windows Mobile Smartphone (bought unlocked) was about $100:
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phon e.php?p=395. I think "unopened box" voqs still pop up on eBay every once in a while.
My only issue are with the people who are buying phones at 199, and then not using the data that allows the companies to offer the phone for that price.
Why would you have issue with them? It's ...
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