Motorola E815 / E816 Hollywood
DUN data charge ?
Now, I am on EVDO getting 400kpbs to my laptop computer over the Bluetooth modem. What in the world is going to happen for data charges if I don't have a data plan?
Why have the PCMCIA card from Verizon for $80 a month when you can tether like this? The V-CAST and the EVDO feature are completely different entities. Basically speaking, if one were to disable V-CAST, they still connect to the EvDO area. So, if you loose your V-CAST, and you are in an EVDO area, GIN still utilises the EVDO service.
Is this a mistake, or too good to be true? If a user is in the EvDO area, the phone can't / won't switch to 14.4k?...
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wnrussell said:...
You can type ##342587 (##DIALUP) into the keypad and you will get a confirmation that dialup has been enabled, or disabled.
Now, I am on EVDO getting 400kpbs to my laptop computer over the Bluetooth modem. What in the world is going to happen for data charges if I don't have a data plan?
Why have the PCMCIA card from Verizon for $80 a month when you can tether like this? The V-CAST and the EVDO feature are completely different entities. Basically speaking, if one were to disable V-CAST, they still connect to the EvDO area. So, if you loose your V-CAST, and you are in an EVDO area, GIN still utilises the EVDO service.
Is this a mistake, or too good to be true? If a user is in the EvDO area, the
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V-Cast is a product, EVDO is a technology. GIN is a product, 1xRTT is the technology.
Why doesn't the $4.99 mobile web plan cover this?
Verizon did not intend for users to use DUN with the E815 and thats why it came disabled on the phone. By enabling DUN and using it as a modem you are violating your contract. (unless you tell them you are doing it and pay the Broadband services fee)
Thanks, Andy
Vatothe0 said:
If you get caught doing it, you will be charged the $175 ETF and your service will be over.
Can VZW tell the difference between VCAST data and modem/internet data?
kensmiles said:Vatothe0 said:
If you get caught doing it, you will be charged the $175 ETF and your service will be over.
Can VZW tell the difference between VCAST data and modem/internet data?
I don't think so, from what I have read.
Vatothe0 said:
VCast would go to a specific server or group of servers on a list. Whereas you going to slashdot.org wouldn't be on the list. It would take about 2 seconds to figure out who's using vcast and who's using DUN.
That makes sense, but everybody is getting charges only fro minutes used right now.
I'm just wondering if you need the VCAST flag enabled on your account in order to see the EVDO speeds when tethering.
I've asked, "Once my free V-CAST trial is up, or I disable it, will my ability to tether to the EvDO service in my free web access be limited to the 14.4 kilobites per second again?"
To my suprise, the supervisor explained how it will NOT effect my ability to tether. He said the V-...
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wnrussell said:...Vatothe0 said:
VCast would go to a specific server or group of servers on a list. Whereas you going to slashdot.org wouldn't be on the list. It would take about 2 seconds to figure out who's using vcast and who's using DUN.
That makes sense, but everybody is getting charges only fro minutes used right now.
I'm just wondering if you need the VCAST flag enabled on your account in order to see the EVDO speeds when tethering.
I've asked, "Once my free V-CAST trial is up, or I disable it, will my ability to tether to the EvDO service in my free web access be limited to the 14.4 kilobites per second again?"
To my suprise, the supervisor explained how it will NOT effect
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Don't be surprised when you get a bill for a month or two of 79.99 data service and/or an ETF.
Vatothe0 said:
Don't be surprised when you get a bill for a month or two of 79.99 data service and/or an ETF.
Well, I would be surprised, to get a bill without notice. They have enabled that feature, but don't include the E815 in the same plan as a PDA, which they should.
If the E815 can do broadband data, then the right thing to do is tell the customers what the deal is.
The documentation on this phone for stuff like this is woefully inadequate.
wnrussell said:Vatothe0 said:
Don't be surprised when you get a bill for a month or two of 79.99 data service and/or an ETF.
Well, I would be surprised, to get a bill without notice. They have enabled that feature, but don't include the E815 in the same plan as a PDA, which they should.
If the E815 can do broadband data, then the right thing to do is tell the customers what the deal is.
The documentation on this phone for stuff like this is woefully inadequate.
No, they have NOT enabled that feature.....you enabled it, they disabled it! 😲
You say they should "tell the customer"...well.... have you read your contract agreement with them? 😕
jimspobox said:...wnrussell said:Vatothe0 said:
Don't be surprised when you get a bill for a month or two of 79.99 data service and/or an ETF.
Well, I would be surprised, to get a bill without notice. They have enabled that feature, but don't include the E815 in the same plan as a PDA, which they should.
If the E815 can do broadband data, then the right thing to do is tell the customers what the deal is.
The documentation on this phone for stuff like this is woefully inadequate.
No, they have NOT enabled that feature.....you enabled it, they disabled it! 😲
You say they should "tell the customer"...well.... have you read your contract agreeme
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You're stealing service. That's all there is to it. You are using for free a service that Verizon charges 79.99 for. Do it for enough months and you'll work your way up to grand larceny instead of just petty theft.
Vatothe0 said:
You're stealing service. That's all there is to it. You are using for free a service that Verizon charges 79.99 for. Do it for enough months and you'll work your way up to grand larceny instead of just petty theft.
So you are saying that there is a Verizon service available that anybody can "steal"? Why isn't there a just a user plan for the E815?
Vatothe0 said:
There's a plan available for anybody no matter what phone they have, the Aircard.
Yes, and that's the $80 moththy solutiom that the casual E815 user doesn't want to buy.
So my point is that while using DUN with the V710 was an advertised feature with the V10, is it now Grand Larceny to use that same feature with the E815?
Bear in mind, your techs are telling customers how to make the E815 work liks a V710 by peseeing ##DUALUP to enable that feature, and your documentation was always clueless on either phone.
Even if the feature was enabled on the V710, that doesn't mean that it carries over to newer models. There was a plan called "National Access 1X-RTT Minute of Use" and it was a free feature. Now that there's EVDO, the price to provide that extra service is more and the feature isn't free.
The problem is that there's no way to really differentiate between the two kinds of useage, DUN and V-Cast/MBL Web.
Even with it not allowed, people are still cheating the system and getting away with it, for now.
If you'd like to make use of real internet with the EVDO service, you have to get either an XV6600 (not recommended) or an i730 (HELL YES). While the phone is a bit more expensive, the unlimited data plan for them is only 44.99/mo or can be even less if bundled with a calling plan of 450, 1350, or 3000(?) minutes.
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Unfortunately the Equipment Guide specifically states that EVDO phones can't be used as a teathered solution and if you want that feature, you need to buy a non-EVDO phone.
The problem is that there's no way to really differentiate between the two kinds of useage, DUN and V-Cast/MBL Web.
Even with it not allowed, people are still cheating the system and getting away with it, for now.
If you'd like to make use of real internet with the EVDO service, you have to get either an XV6600 (not recommended) or an i730 (HELL YES). While the phone is a bit more expensive, the unlimited data plan for them is only 44.99/mo or can be even less if bundled with a calling plan of 450, 1350, or 3000(?) minutes.
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For the same reason they decided not to include DUN with the E815 because it does not fit there marketing plan. That's why it came disabled and is not included in the contract that you signed. Verizon is trying to make money so if it doesn't fit there marketing plan then they wont bunddle it with the phone. (even if the phone can do it)
Finally Verizon can tell the difference when you are using there Mobile web, VCAST, and Broadband services. If they think you are using a service you have not paid for they can catch you and terminate your contrac...
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It's also available combined with a voice plan now. If it's THAT important for someone to get high speed internet access wirelessly, it would be worth the money for the aircard or Smartphone and the appropriate access charge. If it's too expensive, it must not be that important.
Besides, if they cancel me, they lose my business (currently 2 phones).. and that makes my decision between cingular and verizon that much easier.
What they seem to miss is that the HS DUN is a killer feature which is currently keeping my business with Verizon. I will be shocked if they kick people off for using it. Verizon is not in the business of turning away customers who will be paying monthly fees for years to come.
There are also other limiting factors like max number of EVDO user per BTS sector (50ish). You are using reso...
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they have by far the greatest migrations against them.
also they have the worst customer service, by far.
and dont even get me started on their network. its patchy at best.
simply said youll pay 350 dollars in cancellation fees, plus your last bill, plus a bill with cingular, all to find out that your were an idiot for ever thinking of leaving verizon in the first place. and come back to verizon.
-shleeban
Vatothe0 said:
You are violating your TOS and could be cancelled and charged the ETF at anytime. There are apparently people whose job it is to find people doing this.
V-Cast is a product, EVDO is a technology. GIN is a product, 1xRTT is the technology.
Yeah, but they need the same bandwidth now, don't they? Verizon wants to sell high speed games, don't they?