Motorola E815 / E816 Hollywood
Bluetooth OBEX Security
For everyone who bitches about how Verizon disables the Bluetooth in their phones and are whining around about it...there are actual security concerns here that aren't just going to go away, I noticed this article recently and wanted to share it here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7461 »
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7461 »
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I totally agree with bofis that has been a major concern with OBEX Security. Its to protect the customers. There are some people in the world unfortunately that would hack into someones phone. Paris Hilton even though some may not like her she had a similar situation where she had her phone hacked into and Tmobile didn't have security to prevent that. To me bluetooth is good but all i need it for is to pair to my headset and use my phone and headset its a lot safer that way even driving. I think this issue has been blown out of proportion and people need to understand what can be done if we aren't protected.
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Thats so B.S bro, you have no idea what you are talking about. Thats cool though, if you only think you need to for a wireless headset then you good to go!
There are so many advantages to OBEX
There are so many advantages to OBEX
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Well i don't need my cell phone to be a second notebook computer to me and i have a right to my opinion. Thats why there is software out there by motorola like Mobile Phonetools. Where u can use a USB cord and connect to your computer it does the same job. If you don't like the OBEX crippled go to another carrier I'm so sick of hearing this subject everyone arguing over OBEX there are about 20 threads of just that its crippled you cant use it if you have Verizon unless you know something other people don't end of story!
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And I have a right to my opinion, your statement about Mobile Phonetools tells me that you have never had the chance to use OBEX.
Bummer for you. mobile phonetools .. it does not do the same job dude. Cool beans, you can think what you want. same thing..LOL ok buddy.
Bummer for you. mobile phonetools .. it does not do the same job dude. Cool beans, you can think what you want. same thing..LOL ok buddy.
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Wow motoman, spread that misinformation on thick.
You're right, and thats why OBEX is designed to be relatively secure.
Let's take a look at what you have to actually do to GET one of these trendy new viruses, step-by-step.
First, your Bluetooth phone must have Bluetooth turned on and be "discoverable." Second, you must be within range of an infected handset, typically within 30 feet. Third, while you are in range, you must manually accept to have the virus program transferred to your phone from a user you don't know, and then you must MANUALLY RUN this program despite REPEATED WARNINGS from your phone that...
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motoman82 said:
I totally agree with bofis that has been a major concern with OBEX Security.
You're right, and thats why OBEX is designed to be relatively secure.
Let's take a look at what you have to actually do to GET one of these trendy new viruses, step-by-step.
First, your Bluetooth phone must have Bluetooth turned on and be "discoverable." Second, you must be within range of an infected handset, typically within 30 feet. Third, while you are in range, you must manually accept to have the virus program transferred to your phone from a user you don't know, and then you must MANUALLY RUN this program despite REPEATED WARNINGS from your phone that...
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I'm not saying OBEX is a "bad thing" I'm sure its quite useful to some but people don't need to blow up about the situation. If you are for OBEX i respect that but not everyone needs that and thats what a lot of people don't understand. There are some people that have a bluetooth phone and don't even use bluetooth its pure preference and for someone to knock anyone down for stating a opinion is wrong. All we are saying is there are possibilities out there of a virus not saying its going to happen but a chance even if its super slim and the T-mobile situation there are 2 of 1 was the Paris Hilton situation and 2 was someone hacking into the actual billing system of Tmobile and accessing other peoples account information. I hear so many pe...
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I hear what your saying man. I have verizon because they have steller service and great customer service. Not looking to argue, there is just two sides of the coin and when I see only one stated (and i know better) I speak up. You make alot of good points. Just know that you cant accomplish the same thing with a datacable. You cant push files from one phone to the next! 😁
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I totally agree with you Natas a lot of these postings have been one sided. I honestly think Verizon should do this if someone wants OBEX let them have it its their right. But if the others don't want OBEX disable/cripple it for them. Because it has a lot of advantages for some people and others it don't and they are concerned with security issues or just want a headset to pair up with their phone it varies by person to person Verizon needs to make it fair for everyone. I think people will agree with that.
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Well its true i believe Verizon needs to be fair to their customers and if they are paying for their service they should be able to choose what they want on their phone and Verizon might be able to stay out of court for that crippling. Than everyone wins.
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It always comes down to the lawyers and the allmighty dollar.
I've been told by my corporate VZW rep. that the primary reason bluetooth is disabled is due to the concern that people will transfer ringtones, games, or other download-ables over that link against the personal-use-only licensing of crap like ringtones.
This continues to blow me away because I'm a business user who just wants to synch my contacts and calendar without carrying cables everywhere.
I am considering switching carriers which is a bummer because I had a lousy experience with Cingular in the SF Bay Area. Option 2 is just to wait and hope. VZW is great here for local, but the bluetooth issue sucks as does their selection of international (GSM) capable pho...
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I've been told by my corporate VZW rep. that the primary reason bluetooth is disabled is due to the concern that people will transfer ringtones, games, or other download-ables over that link against the personal-use-only licensing of crap like ringtones.
This continues to blow me away because I'm a business user who just wants to synch my contacts and calendar without carrying cables everywhere.
I am considering switching carriers which is a bummer because I had a lousy experience with Cingular in the SF Bay Area. Option 2 is just to wait and hope. VZW is great here for local, but the bluetooth issue sucks as does their selection of international (GSM) capable pho...
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You bring up a lot of good points but i think what caught my attention most is what your corporate verizon rep said about disabling bluetooth due to the concern of personal use only licensing. If thats the case i don't think the ever thought of what a transflash card can do. It may be a little more work than a bluetooth connection but you just copy what you want to that card and you can either put it on your computer or on someone else phone if they have the capability of it. It also goes back to my point of if someone wants OBEX let them have it but if someone don't want it "cripple" it for them we should have that option. We are old enough to know whats right and wrong and don't need a company to watch our every move and tell us what w...
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motoman82 said:It also goes back to my point of if someone wants OBEX let them have it but if someone don't want it "cripple" it for them we should have that option.
Sprint took a different approach to DUN on the Treo 650 and other phones:
Cripple the profile and then when users ask, give them a patch to fix it. That way they still get revenue from the average user.
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bofis said:
For everyone who bitches about how Verizon disables the Bluetooth in their phones and are whining around about it...there are actual security concerns here that aren't just going to go away, I noticed this article recently and wanted to share it here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7461
It's easier to hack into a WI-FI 802.11x network, and harvest valuable data from home and business networks.
I don't really care that "Avishai Wool and Yaniv Shaked, two security researchers from Tel Aviv University in Israel, claim to have worked out a hack that allows them to force Bluetooth devices to pair."
What I do care about is when US wireless carriers try to hold back technology, or ...
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