Might have to switch back Verizon.
...and I'm not happy about it. ☹️
I switched over to Cingular/AT&T about a year ago for several reasons: Nicer phones with better UI, rollover, the ability to use all the phone's intended features, plus a hefty discount through my employer. But after a year on this network I'm starting to get really frustrated. The call quality has been really poor lately. Even with a strong signal the call sounds very garbled. The problem is not my phone. I have had this happen with my phone, my son's phone and my wife's phone. My coworkers have noticed it on their phones too. Plus I have noticed a real lack of coverage in general. I was in the lower terminal of the Tampa airport and was not able to make a call. Yet, many people around me coul...
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I switched over to Cingular/AT&T about a year ago for several reasons: Nicer phones with better UI, rollover, the ability to use all the phone's intended features, plus a hefty discount through my employer. But after a year on this network I'm starting to get really frustrated. The call quality has been really poor lately. Even with a strong signal the call sounds very garbled. The problem is not my phone. I have had this happen with my phone, my son's phone and my wife's phone. My coworkers have noticed it on their phones too. Plus I have noticed a real lack of coverage in general. I was in the lower terminal of the Tampa airport and was not able to make a call. Yet, many people around me coul...
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To SIM Cards within the Next 3 years.
So Switch if you want, but you will be on a SIM card network, (which is better, and used around the world) in the future.
It will be better for the avg. consumer when VZW does switch to SIM cards...Truthfully
So Switch if you want, but you will be on a SIM card network, (which is better, and used around the world) in the future.
It will be better for the avg. consumer when VZW does switch to SIM cards...Truthfully
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Hmmm...I didn't know that. I do like the SIM card based phones better. Good to know. Thanks.
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CDMA technology in regards to voice is superior than GSM - from a technical stand point. So what you have experienced along with your other colleagues and family members is probably textbook.
A lot of people don't realize, but VZW puts a lot of effort into maintaining and upgrading their towers and cell sites. Many people think the only difference between AT&T and VZW is phones and CDMA vs. GSM but that's not really true. VZW puts a lot of effort and resources into their towers, sites, and mobile towers (e.g. redeploying COWS for special events in anticipation of higher call volume, their towers have independent power geneators, etc.).
A lot of people don't realize, but VZW puts a lot of effort into maintaining and upgrading their towers and cell sites. Many people think the only difference between AT&T and VZW is phones and CDMA vs. GSM but that's not really true. VZW puts a lot of effort and resources into their towers, sites, and mobile towers (e.g. redeploying COWS for special events in anticipation of higher call volume, their towers have independent power geneators, etc.).
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It is true that GSM is vastly inferior to CDMA in voice quality, but if you are in a 3G area then you are using a CDMA air interface. So if your phone is a GSM only phone your call quality will not be as good.
I have worked with and for many carriers, they all seem to put the same amount of care into their networks. VZW has in fact deteriorated in the NW. People who had strong coverage have none, etc.
I have worked with and for many carriers, they all seem to put the same amount of care into their networks. VZW has in fact deteriorated in the NW. People who had strong coverage have none, etc.
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tnt2k1 said:
CDMA technology in regards to voice is superior than GSM - from a technical stand point. So what you have experienced along with your other colleagues and family members is probably textbook.
A lot of people don't realize, but VZW puts a lot of effort into maintaining and upgrading their towers and cell sites. Many people think the only difference between AT&T and VZW is phones and CDMA vs. GSM but that's not really true. VZW puts a lot of effort and resources into their towers, sites, and mobile towers (e.g. redeploying COWS for special events in anticipation of higher call volume, their towers have independent power geneators, etc.).
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Why don't you do some research also. GSM outnumbers CDMA becuase when Europe was deploying wireless networks CDMA was illegal in Europe. It was a military technolgy devolped for comercial use. It is just now becomeing widly used. They both have their goods and bads.
And verizon will not switch voice from CDMA in a long time.
Again it all depends on what you want. Flexibility or call quality is the basic differance. And GSM is improving on the call quality. Must be using differance and better codecs.
And verizon will not switch voice from CDMA in a long time.
Again it all depends on what you want. Flexibility or call quality is the basic differance. And GSM is improving on the call quality. Must be using differance and better codecs.
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...and a big reason it was illegal was to develop a standard over the entire continent. so that when you had a phone from france, you would be guaranteed to use it in italy as well.
they also would not have to pay exorbitant licensing fees to another company who had created another technology, so by developing their own they could save.
regardless of how it came to be, it is still the most widely used standard and that is a huge argument in support over gsm.
they both have their ups and downs, but neither is "technologicaly superior" to another.
LTE is the upgrade path of choice beyond UMTS/HSDPA, and that gives GSM a more far reaching future as well. Verizon has announced they plan to switch to this in the future.
they also would not have to pay exorbitant licensing fees to another company who had created another technology, so by developing their own they could save.
regardless of how it came to be, it is still the most widely used standard and that is a huge argument in support over gsm.
they both have their ups and downs, but neither is "technologicaly superior" to another.
LTE is the upgrade path of choice beyond UMTS/HSDPA, and that gives GSM a more far reaching future as well. Verizon has announced they plan to switch to this in the future.
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Clarification in regards to LTE or GSM - https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=2&fi=1644874
I didn't know if you were saying if VZW is moving to GSM through this channel, if LTE is the upgraded version of GSM, or if you are just saying VZW is just simply upgrading to LTE and nothing else.
In regards to CDMA being superior to GSM, it is. I'm not talking about phone flexibility with sim cards, more phone options, etc. I'm talking about horsepower. Data transfer, voice quality and transmission, higher bandwidth, more efficient evolution, etc.
Now ... this is what I love the most. Having a standard infrastructure is not a good idea. Too all of the fan boys that love GSM and think everything should go to GSM - no.
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I didn't know if you were saying if VZW is moving to GSM through this channel, if LTE is the upgraded version of GSM, or if you are just saying VZW is just simply upgrading to LTE and nothing else.
In regards to CDMA being superior to GSM, it is. I'm not talking about phone flexibility with sim cards, more phone options, etc. I'm talking about horsepower. Data transfer, voice quality and transmission, higher bandwidth, more efficient evolution, etc.
Now ... this is what I love the most. Having a standard infrastructure is not a good idea. Too all of the fan boys that love GSM and think everything should go to GSM - no.
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Exactly what CDMA evolution are you referring to? 1xRTT to GPRS? EV-DO to UMTS? Rev A to HSDPA?
I never said I didn't like competition.
And obviously VZW won't go the GSM then EDGE then UMTS then LTE... I don't think anyone with half a brain thinks that.
I never said I didn't like competition.
And obviously VZW won't go the GSM then EDGE then UMTS then LTE... I don't think anyone with half a brain thinks that.
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AshDizzle said:...tnt2k1 said:
CDMA technology in regards to voice is superior than GSM - from a technical stand point. So what you have experienced along with your other colleagues and family members is probably textbook.
A lot of people don't realize, but VZW puts a lot of effort into maintaining and upgrading their towers and cell sites. Many people think the only difference between AT&T and VZW is phones and CDMA vs. GSM but that's not really true. VZW puts a lot of effort and resources into their towers, sites, and mobile towers (e.g. redeploying COWS for special events in anticipation of higher call volume, their towers have independent power geneators, etc.).
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Yeah, I don't know anything about wireless. Don't spread your a**hole posts that you oh-so-frequently create in the vzw forum.
CDMA, on average can handle about about twice as many simultaneous calls per cell then a GSM cell site.
The catch is, a CDMA cell site degrades as more users connect to it. This can result in shrinking coverage and loss of call clarity. A TDMA-based system like GSM has only a certain amount of slots per cell. When a user tries to connect and the slots are used up, it will be rejected and all other users will continue their calls normally. The goal is to have coverage to compliment this so a caller is never rejected, and the low costs of GSM make this easy. 70.1 million customers of AT&T use it, compared...
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CDMA, on average can handle about about twice as many simultaneous calls per cell then a GSM cell site.
The catch is, a CDMA cell site degrades as more users connect to it. This can result in shrinking coverage and loss of call clarity. A TDMA-based system like GSM has only a certain amount of slots per cell. When a user tries to connect and the slots are used up, it will be rejected and all other users will continue their calls normally. The goal is to have coverage to compliment this so a caller is never rejected, and the low costs of GSM make this easy. 70.1 million customers of AT&T use it, compared...
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Right AshDizzle -
- but if you were to line up CDMA and GSM in a boxing ring (figuratively speaking of course), who would come out winning?
- but if you were to line up CDMA and GSM in a boxing ring (figuratively speaking of course), who would come out winning?
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This last response is why I stopped posting on the internet. Although you just went through to state all of these facts about the technology and having Ashdizzle justify why arguing over network superiority is ridiculous, since both technologies obviously don't work for everyone, you go back and say, "Well, who would win in a boxing match?" Loser...
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loser? it's actually being called bored at work. you'll never see me post phonescoop at home.
everything has their advantages and disadvantages, but when it comes to the end ... something is going to win.
for example =
Turbocharger vs. Supercharger ... at the end the turbocharger is going to win.
everything has their advantages and disadvantages, but when it comes to the end ... something is going to win.
for example =
Turbocharger vs. Supercharger ... at the end the turbocharger is going to win.
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To SIM Cards within the Next 3 years.
So Switch if you want, but you will be on a SIM card network, (which is better, and used around the world) in the future.
It will be better for the avg. consumer when VZW does switch to SIM cards...Truthfully
Where did you find this rumor? LTE does not have to use SIM cards.
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BROWN27 said:
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 I remember you they always port back!
Believe me, I'm not looking forward to a higher bill and a crippled phone with a crappy UI. The ONLY reason I might be going back is the coverage. But then that is the most important thing...isn't it. 😕
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not for AvgJoe.
You pay for quality service and coverage yeah?
Crippled phone? what do you want your phone to do?
You pay for quality service and coverage yeah?
Crippled phone? what do you want your phone to do?
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not for AvgJoe.
You pay for quality service and coverage yeah?
Crippled phone? what do you want your phone to do?
Coverage only matters Where you use your phone. Who cares if a carrier has coverage in areas you will never need it?
That said people are using their phones for a lot more than making calls. That means the Phone features can be more important then coverage where you don't need it.
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yes. I know, I use my phone for a lot more than making calls. e.g. VZ Navigator, calender, calculator, news, playing monopoly, txt/pix, gmail account, internet banking, HTML web browsing, AIM and MSN messenger, NCAA bracketology, fantasy football ...all on my LG-VX9900
... all (well, most) dependent on coverage. i rather have a peace of mind knowing I will get coverage everywhere I go.
But yes AvgJoe, I know everyone is different.
... all (well, most) dependent on coverage. i rather have a peace of mind knowing I will get coverage everywhere I go.
But yes AvgJoe, I know everyone is different.
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tnt2k1 said:
yes. I know, I use my phone for a lot more than making calls. e.g. VZ Navigator, calender, calculator, news, playing monopoly, txt/pix, gmail account, internet banking, HTML web browsing, AIM and MSN messenger, NCAA bracketology, fantasy football ...all on my LG-VX9900
... all (well, most) dependent on coverage. i rather have a peace of mind knowing I will get coverage everywhere I go.
But yes AvgJoe, I know everyone is different.
Most of what you list can be done on free phones ....
Can you take 5mp pics with flash? 30FPS video in VGA as opposed to QVGA) Can you use wiFi
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Most of what you list can be done on free phones ....
Can you take 5mp pics with flash? 30FPS video in VGA as opposed to QVGA) Can you use wiFi
or Plug in a standard 3.5 mm headphone, how about Some FM radio on the go (can't miss Rush Limbaugh) and FULL Email Client capability...JAva....?
Anyone can have coverage everywhere they go. The buy the service that will provide that much depending on where they go.
The things you list to me aren't a big deal to me. So thank you for proving my point. Your usage probably represent less than 3% of the US population. Why would VZW waste time diverting their resources to capture 3% of the market when they can divert their sources to capturin...
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That 3% is a growing market. And the carriers know that. The cellular industry is extreme;y dynamic and ever growing.
To the carriers, that 3% represents the future of the industry and they want to place themselves in a strategic location to capture it and expand it to 100%
Your "97%" will be a dead breed in 10 years.
To the carriers, that 3% represents the future of the industry and they want to place themselves in a strategic location to capture it and expand it to 100%
Your "97%" will be a dead breed in 10 years.
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Yes. And that is why VZW is expanding to open source right now so they can capture that growing market.
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Yes. And that is why VZW is expanding to open source right now so they can capture that growing market.
You call thier announced "procedure" for using a phone on thier network "open source"
Verizon has no iintention to be as flexible and free as GSM technology currently allows
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Of course not. They want to maximize revenue. I don't blame them there. They will be as open as the market marginally demands it. But believe as the market becomes more like you, AvgJoe, their "open source" will be more open.
I understand why you are preaching it. You and I both realize that the American market isn't really cell phone savy so VZW can afford and profit from their actions. We both know that Americans don't care and usually will fork a bit more for convenience (or sacrifice more for convenience). Just give it time. Eventually the US market will be totally integrated with their mobile devices. Then we will have a million of AvgJoe's around, including me.
I understand why you are preaching it. You and I both realize that the American market isn't really cell phone savy so VZW can afford and profit from their actions. We both know that Americans don't care and usually will fork a bit more for convenience (or sacrifice more for convenience). Just give it time. Eventually the US market will be totally integrated with their mobile devices. Then we will have a million of AvgJoe's around, including me.
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tnt2k1 said:
yes. I know, I use my phone for a lot more than making calls. e.g. VZ Navigator, calender, calculator, news, playing monopoly, txt/pix, gmail account, internet banking, HTML web browsing, AIM and MSN messenger, NCAA bracketology, fantasy football ...all on my LG-VX9900
... all (well, most) dependent on coverage. i rather have a peace of mind knowing I will get coverage everywhere I go.
But yes AvgJoe, I know everyone is different.
Can you take your back up phone to the beach and places where your phone may be damaged with the switch of a card without any Carrier interference or need? Can you even have a back up phone on tap for cheap? C
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AvgJoe said:
Can you take your back up phone to the beach and places where your phone may be damaged with the switch of a card without any Carrier interference or need? Can you even have a back up phone on tap for cheap? C
Can you use your GPS WITHOUT NETWORK COVERAGE?
Does it use Satellites or are you stuck with Assisted tower GPS?
without carrier interference? Not a big deal to me.
GPS w/o network coverage ... utilizing satellites? 9 out of 10 times we end up using my GPS on my phone instead of my friend's garmen or magellian because half of the time we get satellite interference.
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You are just finding ways to defend your phone that has limited features because verizon thinks the USA's populace is too feeble minded to handle limitless features.
GPS is WORTHLESS if it can't work outside of network coverage.
GPS is WORTHLESS if it can't work outside of network coverage.
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I'm not finding ways to defend my phone. I am telling people how I utilize my tool/phone. That's all. I am only speaking on behalf of myself and no one else.
I am very tech savy (and I don't need to defend myself there). But when it comes to mobile devices, I am not looking for an overclocked super device that can control 10 nuclear weapons and a kitchen sink in hong kong.
Yes. You are right. GPS is worthless if it can't work outside of network coverage. But I only use GPS for driving locally to my friends house or restaurants or clubs, etc. So I'm good on that.
If I go hiking or on a bike trail, or mountain climbing ... I use map and compass because that's just what I do for those kind of activities ... old school.
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I am very tech savy (and I don't need to defend myself there). But when it comes to mobile devices, I am not looking for an overclocked super device that can control 10 nuclear weapons and a kitchen sink in hong kong.
Yes. You are right. GPS is worthless if it can't work outside of network coverage. But I only use GPS for driving locally to my friends house or restaurants or clubs, etc. So I'm good on that.
If I go hiking or on a bike trail, or mountain climbing ... I use map and compass because that's just what I do for those kind of activities ... old school.
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yeah but how does it go from a flawless strong signal with your Sony Ericsson w300i, to not being able to get service where others can, and garbled calls 😕
www.sprint.com/sero
www.sprint.com/sero
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It was the w300i? Why do people go for the cheap **** and then complain about it later? If a phone is ONLY available online, it's for a reason
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ralph_on_me said:
It was the w300i? Why do people go for the cheap **** and then complain about it later? If a phone is ONLY available online, it's for a reason
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to jump on here and blame it on the phone. Like there is absolutely NO WAY it could POSSIBLY be the network. 🙄
FYI, I didn't get my w300i on line. I got it from a Radioshack. My local AT&T store has them as well. It may be a less expensive phone, but all SE phones are known for strong signal performance. The people in the AT&T store are quick to say it's a good phone. Besides, if you read my original post, it's not just my phone. It's my wife's Samsung and my coworkers Moto's also. Whe...
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Your problem is a compound one, and your phone is a part of that.
As for the rest of it, the plain and simple is there's not a tower or repeater close enough to you. I'm not defending any network because it's not my network. They all vary by region and its not my job to build or maintain them. It sucks that you don't get signal there, but all the big bad carriers are lacking somewhere.
As for the rest of it, the plain and simple is there's not a tower or repeater close enough to you. I'm not defending any network because it's not my network. They all vary by region and its not my job to build or maintain them. It sucks that you don't get signal there, but all the big bad carriers are lacking somewhere.
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Matt_a said:...ralph_on_me said:
It was the w300i? Why do people go for the cheap **** and then complain about it later? If a phone is ONLY available online, it's for a reason
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to jump on here and blame it on the phone. Like there is absolutely NO WAY it could POSSIBLY be the network. 🙄
FYI, I didn't get my w300i on line. I got it from a Radioshack. My local AT&T store has them as well. It may be a less expensive phone, but all SE phones are known for strong signal performance. The people in the AT&T store are quick to say it's a good phone. Besides, if you read my original post, it's not just my phone. It's my wife's Samsung a
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You said you live in Tampa, they have 3G there, which can improve voice quality. Try a 3G phone like the V3xx or LG Trax. The Trax is only 30 bucks online, get the store to match it.
FYI... corporate stores do not carry the Sony w300i. It is a national retail and online only phone.
FYI... corporate stores do not carry the Sony w300i. It is a national retail and online only phone.
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BROWN27 said:
yeah but how does it go from a flawless strong signal with your Sony Ericsson w300i, to not being able to get service where others can, and garbled calls 😕
I'm talking about two different issues.
The first is that my call QUALITY is poor lately even with a strong signal. The call sounds garbled.
The second is the issue of no coverage in places where other networks can place calls.
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Well that sucks nobody needs to put up with that, att sucks in my area too. Verizon has its lame points as you know, but yes calls are my first priority too! Good luck
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chocolateman85006 said:
You forgot: way less crippling on at&t's phones.
I didn't forget. I mentioned that in here somewhere. I hate the thought of going back to VZW, I really do. I love AT&T phones, prices, and customer service. I just need it to work.
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Well by year's end VZ should have their open access initiate in full swing so maybe that will be the best option for you. If you really dislike VZ that much maybe you should look into TMobile or Sprint as an alternative.
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I have been a store manager (at&t agent) for the last three and 1/2 years. I still must hide my VZ phone when my district manager comes to visit. That's here in Western N. Carolina. Hey my phone can do all this stuff but make calls. I don't pay monthly to BT pictures and have a cool UI, I pay to make calls. oh well I just work here
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Well I would have to say that depending on where you are in the country reflects how good your verizon network is.....I live here in Colorado and you couldnt pay me to be on verizons network....dropped calls, poor reception goes hand in hand when talking about verizon here.
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Yeah I'm from Fort Collins. All along the front range I have been extremely impressed with AT&T's network. 3G now goes from Denver all the way to Fort Collins. I think maybe as far south as Colorado Springs?
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I've been here since Friday, and I haven't had any problems whatsoever; and I've been all over the city. I went to Ybor City on saturday night (parting) and all calls came through excellent. There were some misdialed numbers, but alcohol is to blame on those. :s Even inside the clubs and stuff the reception was great (basically, what I'm used to) I've been to north Tampa, Spring Hill thru Clearwater with no problems. Have you called customer service?
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Anxiovert said:
I've been here since Friday, and I haven't had any problems whatsoever; and I've been all over the city. I went to Ybor City on saturday night (parting) and all calls came through excellent. There were some misdialed numbers, but alcohol is to blame on those. :s Even inside the clubs and stuff the reception was great (basically, what I'm used to) I've been to north Tampa, Spring Hill thru Clearwater with no problems. Have you called customer service?
I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm in Tampa. I'm in PA. I was in Tampa a few months ago. My phone worked most places in that area too. I mentioned not being able to place a call from the lower level of the Tampa airport (while oth...
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Have you complained to AT&T? That sounds like a malfunction. Carriers usually put extra effort into coverage at airports.
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WonkotheSane said:
Have you complained to AT&T? That sounds like a malfunction. Carriers usually put extra effort into coverage at airports.
The airport was a one-time thing. I was there on vacation. I was just using it as an example of times when other networks had a signal but I didn't. I have contacted AT&T about the problem of having garbled sound quality around here (even with a good signal). They have told me that they are aware of some problems with certain towers and they are "working on it". The problem is, it's been going on now for a few weeks on and off. You'd think they would be able to fix it by now if they truely are "working on it".
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I am actually thinking about switching to VZW from At&t. I pay too much money and get poor quality service. ☹️
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We have 7pm nights and weekends, rollover, and (95%) uncrippled phones. Verizon does have awesome pda phones and medium phones, clear reception, and great customer service. It is a bit of a hard decision, as they both have their pros and cons.
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Umm, let me guess. You claim to have poor service.... do you have a motorola?
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Well here is my 2 cents. First and foremost typing on a pearl and not doing the spell check so this may be ugly!
So Verizon is getting better with phone choices. And the ui isn't always as hideous with the new flash enabled phones, there are a lot of really nice menus out there. That being said ice never been a fan of AT&T phones anyways, same thing to me not enough of a difference to write home about.
You do give up the flexibility, but how much of that do you need?
Sims are worthless, backup assistant with my accoint wher you can Change your phone over take like at most 5 extra minutes of your day, if that's a huge deal to you or anyone, well you are anal and need help.
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So Verizon is getting better with phone choices. And the ui isn't always as hideous with the new flash enabled phones, there are a lot of really nice menus out there. That being said ice never been a fan of AT&T phones anyways, same thing to me not enough of a difference to write home about.
You do give up the flexibility, but how much of that do you need?
Sims are worthless, backup assistant with my accoint wher you can Change your phone over take like at most 5 extra minutes of your day, if that's a huge deal to you or anyone, well you are anal and need help.
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