At&T Censoring Content - Corporate Onslaught on Speech and Thought Continues
Pearl Jam censored by AT&T, calls for a neutral 'Net
By Nate Anderson | Published: August 09, 2007 - 12:42PM CT
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070809-pearl- ... »
A bit of heavy-handed censorship of a Pearl Jam concert by AT&T this weekend led the band to fire off an open letter to fans—a letter in which Pearl Jam railed against media and ISP consolidation and called for readers to support network neutrality.
The incident happened during a Lollapalooza webcast over at AT&T's "Blue Room" media showcase. Pearl Jam's performance of their big 90's hit "Daughter" morphed into the melody from Pink Floyd's "The Wall," and Eddie Vedder served up a pair of anti-Bush lyrics to the...
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By Nate Anderson | Published: August 09, 2007 - 12:42PM CT
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070809-pearl- ... »
A bit of heavy-handed censorship of a Pearl Jam concert by AT&T this weekend led the band to fire off an open letter to fans—a letter in which Pearl Jam railed against media and ISP consolidation and called for readers to support network neutrality.
The incident happened during a Lollapalooza webcast over at AT&T's "Blue Room" media showcase. Pearl Jam's performance of their big 90's hit "Daughter" morphed into the melody from Pink Floyd's "The Wall," and Eddie Vedder served up a pair of anti-Bush lyrics to the...
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- "George Bush, leave this world alone." (the second time it was sung); and
- "George Bush find yourself another home."
- "George Bush find yourself another home."
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I say so what, pearl jam sucks anyway 🤣 they should have censored more 😛
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whatev! I love pearl jam. I know you only listen to country out in tooele but come on!
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Pearl Jam is so outdated, kids that are 16 years old in garages are coming up with more creative stuff.
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LOL yeah, someone should have reminded them that there time past 15 years ago.
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The fact they were talking about Bush is just a distraction.
What if they had been proclaiming an anti-war message at the beginning of the war and pro-war mentality? Remember how those people were treated?
Are we subject to our freedoms or whims of fancy?
What if they had been proclaiming an anti-war message at the beginning of the war and pro-war mentality? Remember how those people were treated?
Are we subject to our freedoms or whims of fancy?
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I started watching it on you tube it is pretty interesting. It seems like something you would enjoy.
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hey plooky, why don't you post things relevant to at&t's wireless division instead of something that clearly doesn't belong in this forum...
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I wish entertainers would entertain leave and their politics out of it. and just ENTERTAIN.
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Where in the world do these idiot singers, who probably never graduated high school get off thinking that they are some how educated enough to run this country better than the people in charge. Don't get my wrong, I'm a hard core conservative, and I don't agree with 90% of what George W has done, but seriously I'd rather have George than eddie...GET A LIFE MUSICIANS AND SHUT UP
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Your opinion could just as easily be squashed by those who disagree with you.
Careful when you try to silence others' voices; you may end up silencing your own.
Careful when you try to silence others' voices; you may end up silencing your own.
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The incident in question takes place on a media which is thoroughly outside of AT&T Mobility's realm, yes.
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If the two have nothing to do with one another ,which some here have argued presently and in the past, perhaps you will capable of explaining a glaring flaw in that logic.
The at&t blue room:
http://www.attblueroom.com/home/index.php »
On this page, click at&t home near the bottom.
This page pops up:
http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308 »
On this page you can sign up for everything from Internet, home phone, wireless, and digital tv. You can also check your accounts, pay bills, change your service, and find at&t stores among other things.
In other words, the Blue Room links directly to at&t home which links directly to the wireless division.
So... how are they not related again?
The at&t blue room:
http://www.attblueroom.com/home/index.php »
On this page, click at&t home near the bottom.
This page pops up:
http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308 »
On this page you can sign up for everything from Internet, home phone, wireless, and digital tv. You can also check your accounts, pay bills, change your service, and find at&t stores among other things.
In other words, the Blue Room links directly to at&t home which links directly to the wireless division.
So... how are they not related again?
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captainplooky said:
So... how are they not related again?
Because the this 'blue room' is outside of AT&T Mobility's business scope. It's not a mobile service. AT&T Mobility doesn't manage it, no matter what links you find on the page. And this happens to be a forum for discussing AT&T Mobility's issues.
While AT&T owns AT&T Mobility, it's about as irrelevant to the stated topic as griping about issues with your landline or internet bill in this forum.
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Are you serious or do you just support fascism?
Imagine your comments being applied to women or civil rights and hopefully you will understand how silly you are being.
Imagine your comments being applied to women or civil rights and hopefully you will understand how silly you are being.
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I'm not sure what I'm more concerned with, me caring about Eddie Vedder and his currently dissapointing band or the fact that I watched the clip of the show. They are not the same band they were in the '90's but they are the same band that bad mouthed the military and the president in San Diego (home of the US Marines and Navy). This company has the right to censor anything they decree is not how they wish to be tied to. By the way AT&T is offering an uncensored version IF Eddie and the boys allow them to show it. There is no fascism, just a corporation that doesn't want to be grouped in with a bunch of a$$clowns.
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I'm no fan of President Skippy myself, but...
If this had appeared on TV, would things be any different? The network would still have the option to censor it. And some of them probably would opt to.
A newspaper, for that matter, doesn't have to print something just because someone else said it. They wouldn't have to carry an editorial message from the KKK on their perceived inferiority of blacks, for instance.
If this had appeared on TV, would things be any different? The network would still have the option to censor it. And some of them probably would opt to.
A newspaper, for that matter, doesn't have to print something just because someone else said it. They wouldn't have to carry an editorial message from the KKK on their perceived inferiority of blacks, for instance.
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Your argument contains numerous fallacies.
Firstly, you must realize that in order to protect the freedoms of all, we often must protect the freedoms of those we do not agree with.
Secondly, you state:
If that is the undeniable truth, then why is at&t adamantly trying to claim it was nothing more than a mistake and should never have happened in the first place?
Lastly, you state:
Pearl Jam is known for the commentary that accompanies their music during performances.
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Firstly, you must realize that in order to protect the freedoms of all, we often must protect the freedoms of those we do not agree with.
Secondly, you state:
This company has the right to censor anything they decree is not how they wish to be tied to.
If that is the undeniable truth, then why is at&t adamantly trying to claim it was nothing more than a mistake and should never have happened in the first place?
Lastly, you state:
There is no fascism, just a corporation that doesn't want to be grouped in with a bunch of a$$clowns.
Pearl Jam is known for the commentary that accompanies their music during performances.
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Finally for lastly 🤣
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The only reason they would have *not* have known beforehand is due to incompetence.
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The only reason they would have *not* have known beforehand is due to incompetence.
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All this beside, they're all still whiny librals.
If AT&T didn't censor, you'd have whiny conservatives.
You complain about censorship like it's a bad thing. To an extent, it is, but not when coupled with being cautious.
And since when did something a rock band say ever have REAL VALUE. I mean, they're a rock band.
I'm not a big fan of Bush, but I'm not gonna cry when a company decides to censor an event they paid for. Those who want to know what Moron Vedder said, will find out.
If AT&T didn't censor, you'd have whiny conservatives.
You complain about censorship like it's a bad thing. To an extent, it is, but not when coupled with being cautious.
And since when did something a rock band say ever have REAL VALUE. I mean, they're a rock band.
I'm not a big fan of Bush, but I'm not gonna cry when a company decides to censor an event they paid for. Those who want to know what Moron Vedder said, will find out.
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First of all Fascism is usually associated with National Socialism, which is usually Left Winged. The only reason the Nazis were seen to be "right winged" is because of their view of race association, which is usually an argument a liberal will use to justify them comparing everything other than what they believe in as fascist. So you may not want to use that term so lightly.
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schlittertex said:
First of all Fascism is usually associated with National Socialism, which is usually Left Winged. The only reason the Nazis were seen to be "right winged" is because of their view of race association, which is usually an argument a liberal will use to justify them comparing everything other than what they believe in as fascist. So you may not want to use that term so lightly.
Umm. Call me a crusty old dinosaur who actually remembers the textbook definitions of these things. Call me a no-life who wallows in political theory and history. But where on earth is Fascism seriously considered to be a left wing ideology? Is this an American culture war thing? I mean, it's often accepted that w...
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Webb, he's a bit of his rocker.
Enjoy the show
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Enjoy the show
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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captainplooky said:
Webb, he's a bit of his rocker.
Enjoy the show
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Uh huh. Maybe his a few rounds short of a full magazine. Maybe that's not a good analogy since loading 28 into a 30 round mag has its advantages.
But still. Thanks for the irony-infusion. Irony is like sugar to me. So sweet, and it gives a good rush.
He does have a point, though, in places. There's stuff in my head that I'd never say on any open channel, be it the internet, a cell phone, or the public phone net... regardless of what my rights are supposed to be. Maybe your government believes in those rights, if you're lucky. But odds are, someone out there doesn...
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read the bold type...
so poopy, i mean plooky, you see that at&t themselves said it was not censorship. they used a web vendor (3rd party) and they made a mistake... so instead of posting negatively about at&t, why didn't you say that at&t has a policy of not censoring someone!
captainplooky said:
AT&T sees things a bit, well, differently. Company spokesperson Brad Mays tells Ars Technica that the company does monitor broadcasts for profanity, as Blue Room is available to all ages, but that the censorship was a "mistake by a webcast vendor and contrary to our policy. We have policies in place with respect to editing excessive profanity, but AT&T does not edit or censor performances."
so poopy, i mean plooky, you see that at&t themselves said it was not censorship. they used a web vendor (3rd party) and they made a mistake... so instead of posting negatively about at&t, why didn't you say that at&t has a policy of not censoring someone!
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Because if there is anything to be learned from the government warrantless wiretapping program, it is that at&t can not be trusted; especially when it comes to following their own policies and their interactions with the government.
Or do you keep forgetting the claims that surfaced that state:
Or do you keep forgetting the claims that surfaced that state:
The issue of whether any of this behavior was legal is not important.
The government has already argued that legality doesn't matter when it comes to the phone companies, since even a ruling that their actions were illegal would expose the existence of the intelligence-gathering program in question.
Therefore, such cases should not even be considered by the courts.
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It's funny. When I was growing up, I was taught that free speech meant that you could say whatever you liked. A leap into the world of constitutional law taught me that there were qualifications, of course. You can't slander. You can't libel. You can lie, but if you do so to take people's money, that's fraud. If you lie about the Holocaust having never happened, you can go to jail in Germany. It's probably not a good idea to loudly say how you'd like someone to get what's coming to them a few days before their corpse turns up with a belly full of lead. It doesn't grant the right to violate a confidentiality agreement.
As a person of common sense, I'm used to the notion that it has limits. So it bemuses me every time I see what seems to be...
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As a person of common sense, I'm used to the notion that it has limits. So it bemuses me every time I see what seems to be...
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If you think that I was serious, you are officially the dumbest person I think I have ever seen. Do not ever call me un American again, you do not know me and you never will, thank god. AT&T has the right to censor whatever they want, its their business, not yours. And as for you chainsaw, lol, country, oh man, just cuz I work out in the country doesn't mean I'm a country boy 🤣 I'm in a total metal band, come check us out saturday night if ya want.
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club vegas, its on 450 south 400 west
starts at 8, my band is called beyond this flesh
starts at 8, my band is called beyond this flesh
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Oh man club vegas used the be the sh!t atleast back when my buddy dj'd there and my other friend promoted the club and manned the door so he let pretty much anyone in who said they were 21. That lasted a few months till the cops started giving dui's and mip's left and right. I don't think metal is my scene really but I have a buddy who is into it I'll see if he wants to go.
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it will be drunken good times ha ha, who was your buddy that used to work there?
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Adam Jackman, the former owner(possible current) name was dusty. And my friend named Dj Dellafera would DJ on thursday nights I think. That was back before they became a metal club probably 3-4 years ago.
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ha ha, ya dusty still owns the place, hes a total rocker it cracks me up. come down and have some drinks though if ya want man, ill get a round. im gonna head to area 51 tonight, 6 dollar pitchers lol
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If you think that I was serious, you are officially the dumbest person I think I have ever seen.
Haven't been here long eh?
AT&T has the right to censor whatever they want, its their business, not yours.
Really? Even negative news about the war if they support it? What about negative news about their products? Etc. Etc.
Do you realize the implications from such an assertion?
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captainplooky said:
Really? Even negative news about the war if they support it? What about negative news about their products? Etc. Etc.
Do you realize the implications from such an assertion?
The implications are a great big freaking yawn, kid. Here's a little, tiny hint about how the world works, since you seem kind of naive about it. Media has always had control over the news that it carries. There always has been and always will be a bias. It has never had any concrete duty to the truth. And it's been that way since the very beginning of the U. S. of A.
Have you watched network news on TV? You know those little 30 second thingies that come on in between the folks talking about stories? The ...
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