Teehee, another Phonepimp info thread....
Just found this interesting page PP. What do you think about this information? 😈
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_subscriber_report.asp »
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_subscriber_report.asp »
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Does the average wireless consumer even know what CDMA or GSM is? I, myself, don't believe that the average consumer does. I cannot speak for the entire world, but as for North America it is obvious why CDMA growth is so large. The average person goes with what they hear about most, or what they know others use. Most people don't decide to go with Verizon because its CDMA and they like its benefits. Most people don't decide to go with Cingular either because its GSM and they like its benefits. People pick what's apealing to them. Obviously Verizon does a better job with advertising their service. They have us all saying "Can you hear me now?" And with 41 million customers its more likely for you to know somebody who owns a Verizon p...
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We all know deep down that people aren't going with Verizon and Sprint JUST because they're CDMA.
We all know deep down that people aren't going with Verizon and Sprint JUST because they're CDMA.
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True, but usually PP is trying to stuff down our throats the GSM is soooooooo much better and faster growing than CDMA that when I came across this I just had to throw it back at him that he was wrong....again.
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It comes down to this.
Ask a customer why they have VZW. 90% of the reason is "Cause it works".
Ask a customer why they have Cingular. 90% of the reason is "Cause it works".
Joe and Jane Average customer doesn't give a rats flying behind about CDMA/GSM/TDMA technologies.
What alot of the customers care about is a perfect billing system. They care about their phones working everywhere they go. They care about the prices they pay for phones and plans.
When you come down to it all this arguing about networks and stuff is IRRELEVANT.
Ask a customer why they have VZW. 90% of the reason is "Cause it works".
Ask a customer why they have Cingular. 90% of the reason is "Cause it works".
Joe and Jane Average customer doesn't give a rats flying behind about CDMA/GSM/TDMA technologies.
What alot of the customers care about is a perfect billing system. They care about their phones working everywhere they go. They care about the prices they pay for phones and plans.
When you come down to it all this arguing about networks and stuff is IRRELEVANT.
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No, it is not irrelevant for a few reasons:
1. It gives us something to do in between customers instead of sitting here.
2. It forces us to go looking up all this information that normally we would not go looking up, thus making us more informed about the industry we service.
3. Look at all the people that come here and get the benefit of that research we do.
1. It gives us something to do in between customers instead of sitting here.
2. It forces us to go looking up all this information that normally we would not go looking up, thus making us more informed about the industry we service.
3. Look at all the people that come here and get the benefit of that research we do.
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i have to agree with the fox on this one. There isn't much to argue about when it comes down to it. The only thing you can really argue is that cingular commercials are a pain in the (*&(*& and our commercials are somewhat comical. I call it my "shove it up your preppy triplet a$$".... plan.
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Does the average wireless consumer even know what CDMA or GSM is? I, myself, don't believe that the average consumer does. I cannot speak for the entire world, but as for North America it is obvious why CDMA growth is so large. The average person goes with what they hear about most, or what they know others use. Most people don't decide to go with Verizon because its CDMA and they like its benefits. Most people don't decide to go with Cingular either because its GSM and they like its benefits. People pick what's apealing to them. Obviously Verizon does a better job with advertising their service. They have us all saying "Can you hear me now?" And with 41 million customers its more likely for you to
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A cellphone technology that dominates Europe is now the fastest-growing
standard in North America, according to a trade group.
Chris Pearson, executive vice president of mobile trade organisation 3G
Americas, on Wednesday said North American use of the Global System for
Mobile Communications (GSM) standard increased 57 per cent from June
2002 to June 2003. That's three times faster than the growth of
Qualcomm's Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA), which has dominated the
North American market. He cited new cellphone market data from EMC,
which publishes the EMC World Cellular Database. The news is troubling
for Qualcomm, Pearson said, because GSM is apparently beginning to
challenge CDMA's stranglehold on the North American cellp...
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standard in North America, according to a trade group.
Chris Pearson, executive vice president of mobile trade organisation 3G
Americas, on Wednesday said North American use of the Global System for
Mobile Communications (GSM) standard increased 57 per cent from June
2002 to June 2003. That's three times faster than the growth of
Qualcomm's Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA), which has dominated the
North American market. He cited new cellphone market data from EMC,
which publishes the EMC World Cellular Database. The news is troubling
for Qualcomm, Pearson said, because GSM is apparently beginning to
challenge CDMA's stranglehold on the North American cellp...
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that is also 2002 to 2003...this is 2004...can we please keep this to updated statistics please...
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Gotta have some way of slanting the statistics. 😁 http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/pdf/g sma_stats_q1_04.pdf
http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/media_kit/tech_stats_ ... »
http://www.3gamericas.org/pdfs/media_kit/tech_stats_ ... »
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And of course, even though it has to do with the cellular industry, I am blocked from seeing anything from that link, could you copy and paste for those that are interenet impaired?
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I am unable too unfortunately because its a PDF file. Just ammunition regarding the proliferation of GSM in the World and AMERICA's. As far as technologies I still do have CDMA phone service through U.S. Cellular and I do like the blanket coverage the Cellular license and CDMA technology provide. I do, however, like the vastly greater assortment of GSM equipment and data capibilities. I find that my EDGE Card on my computer is significantly faster and allows roaming throughout the USA compared with my 1X Card.
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2004 growth by technologies:
CDMA: 42%
GSM: 200%
IDEN: 3%
TDMA: 2.5%
These figures are Worldwide figures taken from the GSM ASSOCIATION newletter.
CDMA: 42%
GSM: 200%
IDEN: 3%
TDMA: 2.5%
These figures are Worldwide figures taken from the GSM ASSOCIATION newletter.
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okay well let me pull a Phonepimp on this one...are you able to provide a 3rd party result on those figures???
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omg, seriously.. in the end we will all be able to communicate telepathicly!!!
hAHHAhaaah
hAHHAhaaah
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Thank you dakz! It was a rep like you who informed me when I first went into the store of the differences in the networks. I then researche dit myself to assure that what he said was true. I then went back to him and signed up and purchased a phone. I have stayed with him ever since. so for GWFOX I suggest that you re-evaluate how you do business and service customers.
While many customers do not know about the network they could easily and readily understand the significance of the differences and what it could mean to them.
With the approach you suggest why aren't you selling TDMA phones and networks. An educated consumer can be wonderful to work with. You do not have to bring them up to engineering speed.
While many customers do not know about the network they could easily and readily understand the significance of the differences and what it could mean to them.
With the approach you suggest why aren't you selling TDMA phones and networks. An educated consumer can be wonderful to work with. You do not have to bring them up to engineering speed.
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The #'s are biased because it's from a CDMA group. I went to TDMA development group website and they were stating the same thing but w/ GSM.
Phonepimp's intellect, and skills are rubbing off on me
Phonepimp's intellect, and skills are rubbing off on me
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Ok, then using PP intellect CDMA is correct because how could anyone but GodVZW(only for him it is GodCingular) be wrong?!?!?!(Yeah, that's sarcasm again) 😈
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that's very interesting.
check this one.
http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/index.shtml »
GSM represents 72% of the WORLD's Digital Wireless phone service. GSM also passed the 1 BILLION mark for subscribers in the first quarter. We are now working on 1.5 billion. Yes, CDMA is indeed a fast growing technology. Here's the deal, there IS a plateau that will be reached. There are roughly 6.5 billion people in the world and only 1.5 billion of them are using cell phones. By the time all the cell customers have their service, your numbers will still fall miserably short of GSM's. Your only hope at that point is to convince 72% of the world that CDMA is worth leaving GSM. But it won't happen. You know why? By the time the plateau hits, ge...
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check this one.
http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/index.shtml »
GSM represents 72% of the WORLD's Digital Wireless phone service. GSM also passed the 1 BILLION mark for subscribers in the first quarter. We are now working on 1.5 billion. Yes, CDMA is indeed a fast growing technology. Here's the deal, there IS a plateau that will be reached. There are roughly 6.5 billion people in the world and only 1.5 billion of them are using cell phones. By the time all the cell customers have their service, your numbers will still fall miserably short of GSM's. Your only hope at that point is to convince 72% of the world that CDMA is worth leaving GSM. But it won't happen. You know why? By the time the plateau hits, ge...
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From my understanding CDMA is cheaper to upgrade and cheaper to run because of the difference in load capacity compaired to GSM. Now, take the fact that the Euro's mandate that GSM be used while countries like the U.S. and Asian countries are free to use what they will that is where we are going to see most of the viaing for control.
Now, by the majority in the market share and customers, CDMA is a winner in the U.S. when you combine VZW, Sprint, Alltel, U.S. Cellular, and all the other smaller companies compared to the GSM market in this country. Also take into account that Vodaphone has around 150 million customers WORLDWIDE, meanwhile 1 carrier in the U.S. which is 1 country has nearly 1/3rd that many custumers and Vodaphone covers ho...
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Now, by the majority in the market share and customers, CDMA is a winner in the U.S. when you combine VZW, Sprint, Alltel, U.S. Cellular, and all the other smaller companies compared to the GSM market in this country. Also take into account that Vodaphone has around 150 million customers WORLDWIDE, meanwhile 1 carrier in the U.S. which is 1 country has nearly 1/3rd that many custumers and Vodaphone covers ho...
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hey buddy, hate to burst your bubble, but i never once said that cdma would not survive 3G. I did say that GSM will always be bigger, and have more subscribers. CDMA is NOT cheaper to upgrade. By the time carriers pay Qualcomm for the privilege to use CDMA then the cost is even greater. Yes the networks are actually CHEAPER, but with the expensive phones and licensing fees, cdma is WAY more expensive. cdma and it's CDG controlled technologies will be around for quite awhile. Just like Apple will be around for a long time, but will never even come close to the market share of the PC. Oh, and you can add the total number of customers that EVERY U.S. CDMA carrier EXCEPT VZW and SPCS and they don't total the numbers that Tmobile has... The GSM s...
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I have a small question though, if you take into account that gsm is mainly world wide an that CDMA is mainly North America based, and you take out all the growth of GSM except for the North America markets, does it still swapped CDMA?
Iyvonne
Iyvonne
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again does it really matter?
you can blame verizon advertizing, or the map painted red, #1!! people like who ever is #1.
seriously give it a rest people.
you can argue which is better forever cuz it's all personal opinion.
and I hope no one posts stats or figures or comparisons in reply to my post showing that mathematicly one is better then the other.
because when it's not on paper all that matters is it work.
and both f
you can blame verizon advertizing, or the map painted red, #1!! people like who ever is #1.
seriously give it a rest people.
you can argue which is better forever cuz it's all personal opinion.
and I hope no one posts stats or figures or comparisons in reply to my post showing that mathematicly one is better then the other.
because when it's not on paper all that matters is it work.
and both f
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Oh and actually, phonepimp wasn't "wrong again". Even tho cdma is the "fastest growing" it STILL has yet to outsell GSM. GSM added more customers than CDMA did last year and is STILL doing it THIS YEAR. CDMA has done some amazing things by getting 200 million customers since it went live, but it still needs to get around 1 billion more to overtake GSM. Considering the fact that most of the world's customers are already spoken for, your're gonna have to convince about 700 MILLION customers to SWITCH. Good luck.
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wow thanks for this link, this company has done a lot of research and they have a lot of information on their site. 🙂 thank ya thank ya
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Yea, considering that they ARE CDMA, they should have all the info they need.
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don't have to respect them if they don't respect you.
world doesn't revolve around *****.
it's money that makes it go round 😁
world doesn't revolve around *****.
it's money that makes it go round 😁
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^Constructive argument
This how most threads end here, truly a shame, but i guess i should have saw that coming since i challenged pimp's rather elementary example of statistics something along the line of " OMG 12740 ppl is like only .0027% of the population" with real statistics:
i said "
in stats you only need to have a small portion of the total data (a "sample" as it were) to fairly accurately gauge the effectiveness of a statistical problem:
The margin of error in a sample = 1 divided by the square root of the number of people in the sample
so that gives you .0068 or .6% margin of error. So if you asked anyone in the nation that same question statistically 95% would answer the same way (most stats use 95% confidence inte...
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This how most threads end here, truly a shame, but i guess i should have saw that coming since i challenged pimp's rather elementary example of statistics something along the line of " OMG 12740 ppl is like only .0027% of the population" with real statistics:
i said "
in stats you only need to have a small portion of the total data (a "sample" as it were) to fairly accurately gauge the effectiveness of a statistical problem:
The margin of error in a sample = 1 divided by the square root of the number of people in the sample
so that gives you .0068 or .6% margin of error. So if you asked anyone in the nation that same question statistically 95% would answer the same way (most stats use 95% confidence inte...
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Actually I'll refrain from the typical insults. But really, even though the statistical methods are valid, I still think the real world application isn't. Here's why:
21,700 people were polled in the survey that PP was talkin about. In the grand scheme of things that constitutes a VERY small margin of the entire cell phone population (100 million +). Now just about every small potatoes carrier has 21,000 customers, so it's POSSIBLE, albeit not likely, that someone in that 21,000 can represent every company out there. The survey claims to poll in 7 markets (I think it's 7) that consistently have high complaint margins. In those 7 markets the largest carriers are naturally gonna be the big 6. BUT dividing that 21,700 by the 7 markets...
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21,700 people were polled in the survey that PP was talkin about. In the grand scheme of things that constitutes a VERY small margin of the entire cell phone population (100 million +). Now just about every small potatoes carrier has 21,000 customers, so it's POSSIBLE, albeit not likely, that someone in that 21,000 can represent every company out there. The survey claims to poll in 7 markets (I think it's 7) that consistently have high complaint margins. In those 7 markets the largest carriers are naturally gonna be the big 6. BUT dividing that 21,700 by the 7 markets...
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"21,700 people were polled in the survey that PP was talkin about. In the grand scheme of things that constitutes a VERY small margin of the entire cell phone population"
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In order to do a survey that accurately projects who has the best service across these markets one would have to poll a large enough number of people to rule out the possibility of one carrier dominating the survey in a market they happen to be well deployed in.....Say 10%.
The question is not whether the sample is a signifact portion of the whole it is rather does it reflect the whole as a portion of it? To break it down for you it is saying: " i dont care how big the population is, is this sample represientitve of the total population? Further...
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In order to do a survey that accurately projects who has the best service across these markets one would have to poll a large enough number of people to rule out the possibility of one carrier dominating the survey in a market they happen to be well deployed in.....Say 10%.
The question is not whether the sample is a signifact portion of the whole it is rather does it reflect the whole as a portion of it? To break it down for you it is saying: " i dont care how big the population is, is this sample represientitve of the total population? Further...
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I've done quantitative analysis as much as the next Biology major (it was required at my school after all) and I know that the size of the sample doesn't matter as long as it's a representative sample. That was never in question. What I DO question is the smal number of people that were polled per market. All 3100 people per market could have easily been made up of people who were alligned with only one carrier, causing carrier domination in that area, that doesn't neccessarily mean that it's gonna be in favor of that carrier, but it will skew the results.
Not to mention we have no idea what questions were asked of these people. Of the 200 million+ people in the U.S. only 100 million or so have cell's. That 21,700 could have easily c...
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Not to mention we have no idea what questions were asked of these people. Of the 200 million+ people in the U.S. only 100 million or so have cell's. That 21,700 could have easily c...
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THIS survey the total sample is comprised of 7 different samples, if even one of those samples is contaminated, the whole thing will be off.
there are statistical methods to deal with outliers (sp?).
What I DO question is the smal number of people that were polled per market. All 3100 people per market could have easily been made up of people who were alligned with only one carrier, causing carrier domination in that area, that doesn't neccessarily mean that it's gonna be in favor of that carrier, but it will skew the results.
yah thats Bias and that has to be dealt with during the designing stage of a statistical problem or question.
Not to mention we have no idea what questions were asked of these people. Of t ...
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there are statistical methods to deal with outliers (sp?).
What I DO question is the smal number of people that were polled per market. All 3100 people per market could have easily been made up of people who were alligned with only one carrier, causing carrier domination in that area, that doesn't neccessarily mean that it's gonna be in favor of that carrier, but it will skew the results.
yah thats Bias and that has to be dealt with during the designing stage of a statistical problem or question.
Not to mention we have no idea what questions were asked of these people. Of t ...
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all in all the biggest boon of any of these poorly planned surveys falls to the carriers. They get to say that for a certain time they are number one according to some group. After a new survey has come out they can still quote themselves as being number one at some time. Illogical consumers (quite a few of them these days) listen and assume that that group knows what they're talkin about and follows that advice. That following of advice lends creedence to the group's expertise and a vicious cycle begins. In the end it's all crap and the best advice for anyone is "go with what works for you".
I focused mainly on human physiology and cellular bio (micro, virology, etc.) to prep for the medical world. I'm currently a medical assistant...
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I focused mainly on human physiology and cellular bio (micro, virology, etc.) to prep for the medical world. I'm currently a medical assistant...
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GSM will always overtake CDMA in the sense of upgrade path. It's simpler to use the same system everyone else uses instead of trying to be unique.
What do I mean by that? Well in the years to come eventually GSM will have NO subscribers and it'll be all CDMA, however it will be CDMA2000 vs WCDMA. Then we'll have people on here touting around that their company is the best because they use CDMA2000/WCDMA... whatever.
What do I mean by that? Well in the years to come eventually GSM will have NO subscribers and it'll be all CDMA, however it will be CDMA2000 vs WCDMA. Then we'll have people on here touting around that their company is the best because they use CDMA2000/WCDMA... whatever.
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CDMA2000 has been here for a number of years, and so far, only a few asian countries have deployed WCDMA, hence UMTS which merges these standards.
GSM will most certainly not overtake CDMA in its "upgrade" path.Do you even know what the upgrade path for CDMA is?
GSM will most certainly not overtake CDMA in its "upgrade" path.Do you even know what the upgrade path for CDMA is?
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I believe EV-DO for now is the goal, but soon enough EV-DV will. Regardless, it'll always be the upgrade path of the current CDMA vs the upgrade path of GSM.
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The next upgrade for GSM will be UMTS/HSDPA... UMTS will double the call handling slots, and HSDPA shows max peak of 14.4 Mbps for data.
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PP, buddy I've been on this website for quiet a while, and I know that that is going to be the progression for GSM...Is EV-DV going to be a GSM technology? noooooo...wake up buddy...I was talking about CDMA
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I realize that old pal... just keeping up with my old ornery ways...lol
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That's probably the most self-contradicting statement I've read...well today anyway. UMTS is a separate standard, whose radio link is based on WCDMA. You're right in the sense that many GSM carriers may upgrade to UMTS, though.
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ATTWS has already rolled out 4 cities, and Cingular is testing as well.
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WHAT!?!?!?! PP, you mean to tell me that AT&T beat you to the punch on something...good thing you bought em or else you would be in trouble...
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That's okay... we wanted to deploy it on BOTH GSM bands, not just 1900 MHz.
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ATTWS was contractually obligated to begin a UMTS/WCDMA launch before 2005. DoCoMo's 15% stake in the company was just for that reason. ATTWS' original plan was to launch in both the 850 and 1900 bands... recent developements have caused ATTWS to put a rush on things to rid themselves of contractual obligations. Seems they have alot of clean up before October. 😉
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Nope... do your homework... WCDMA is NOT CDMA. They share a similar style air interface that utilizes a code division process. However, while CDMA has 10 slots, UMTS (WCDMA) has 16. It is a hybrid of CDMA and GSM.
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Oh, THAT'S what that was... I'm so used to people that DON'T realize the difference!
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So quick to judge PP, if you read CDG's first post today you could easily tell that he's not just some punk who(as 85% would say) spews diarrhea from the mouth
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In fact, the user name should tell you a lot, but nothing about gendor. That's all I'll say.
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Didn't say he was... but we have also had some very knowledgeable folks make the same mistake.
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So where's the best place to get "well versed" on what exactly is WCDMA and UMTS? Or if you could give me a quick run-down, of course I'd appreciate that too...
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It's about time someone used some data supported by Yankee Group studies. Because their stuff is so expensive to get, it is not widely quoted.
It's funny that GSM supporters always quote European growth or subscriber base numbers but quote nothing from the USA, where they are selling. Who cares what the French are doing if it is not relevant to us here.
GSM is more widely used because it is an older technology and in many European, African, Asian and South American countries it is the government mandated system.
It is more widely used not because it is the best system in the world, it is more because of government mandates and cost of operation.
It's funny that GSM supporters always quote European growth or subscriber base numbers but quote nothing from the USA, where they are selling. Who cares what the French are doing if it is not relevant to us here.
GSM is more widely used because it is an older technology and in many European, African, Asian and South American countries it is the government mandated system.
It is more widely used not because it is the best system in the world, it is more because of government mandates and cost of operation.
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um...whatever, jeff.
here's a link for ya.
http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/pdf/gsma_sta ... »
it has some growth figures for gsm in north america as well as the entire world.
And you are WRONG about the reason why the world uses GSM. It's not because of some mandates or because people MAKE them use GSM. It's because GSM is AN OPEN STANDARD. That means if I want to start a GSM network tomorrow, I won't have the owner of the technology telling me how I utilize or improve upon my network. With CDMA, Qualcomm MANDATES what is used, HOW it is used, and HOW long that particular "standard" is to be used. Then Qualcomm makes you pay for the license to USE their wonderful technology. With GSM, any improvements that I make to...
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here's a link for ya.
http://www.gsmworld.com/news/statistics/pdf/gsma_sta ... »
it has some growth figures for gsm in north america as well as the entire world.
And you are WRONG about the reason why the world uses GSM. It's not because of some mandates or because people MAKE them use GSM. It's because GSM is AN OPEN STANDARD. That means if I want to start a GSM network tomorrow, I won't have the owner of the technology telling me how I utilize or improve upon my network. With CDMA, Qualcomm MANDATES what is used, HOW it is used, and HOW long that particular "standard" is to be used. Then Qualcomm makes you pay for the license to USE their wonderful technology. With GSM, any improvements that I make to...
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Wrong on that one. Qualcomm does not by any stretch of the imagination mandate to us how our networks are to be deployed. More often than not, we tell Qualcomm where there are bugs and put them to task to correct them.
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Not wrong.... I didn't say they told you how to deploy it. I said they tell you what you can use.
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"With CDMA, Qualcomm MANDATES what is used, HOW it is used, and HOW long that particular "standard" is to be used."
You specifically said Qualcomm mandates what is used and HOW it is used and how long that particular standard is to be used. Absolutely inequivocally wrong. The CDG and other groups decide on revisions to the standard, but until a carrier decides to impement that latest standard, then Qualcomm does nothing. The carrier decides what infrastructure they will use, who the vendor of that infrastructure will be (Nortel, Motorola, Lucent). The carrier decides when they will upgrade to the next revision. Qualcomm's advantage is in the handsets in that they are capable of adapting to changing standards faster and cheaper than the ca...
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You specifically said Qualcomm mandates what is used and HOW it is used and how long that particular standard is to be used. Absolutely inequivocally wrong. The CDG and other groups decide on revisions to the standard, but until a carrier decides to impement that latest standard, then Qualcomm does nothing. The carrier decides what infrastructure they will use, who the vendor of that infrastructure will be (Nortel, Motorola, Lucent). The carrier decides when they will upgrade to the next revision. Qualcomm's advantage is in the handsets in that they are capable of adapting to changing standards faster and cheaper than the ca...
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Actually, Qualcomm IS the BOAT. And it's lagging faaaaaarrrrrrr behind the SS GSM.
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GSM is the stepping stone to WCDMA, Qualcomm own the patents to WCDMA, so that boat ride still makes Qualcomm money. 🙂
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Qualcomm owns the patents to CDMA, not WCDMA. WCDMA is a GSM product with a CDMA air interface. Get your facts straight.
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibd/2004083 ... »
I may have misunderstood what I read, but I do know for a fact Qualcomm own most of the Patents for wcdma
I may have misunderstood what I read, but I do know for a fact Qualcomm own most of the Patents for wcdma
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"WCDMA was created by several intellectual property holders," Yonker said. "They didn't want to create the same structure as with CDMA."
Qualcomm owns the core CDMA patents, which are part of WCDMA. WCDMA as it is being deployed by ATTWS and Cingular uses a CDMA based air interface which allows 16 slots, as opposed to 10 on CDMA. It also functions on a GSM core.
WCDMA was developed more like an open source solution than by one company.
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But unlike VZW and Sprint, who have to pay royalties and licensing to Qualcomm for their NETWORKS, those using the WCDMA standard don't. Qualcomm only gets paid on the phone.
So what does this all mean? GSM providers who upgrade to WCDMA STILL won't have the overhead that CDMA carriers have, and will still be able to pass that saving onto the end user, and run their networks for less.
So what does this all mean? GSM providers who upgrade to WCDMA STILL won't have the overhead that CDMA carriers have, and will still be able to pass that saving onto the end user, and run their networks for less.
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It also means the pure profit that Qualcomm is getting can be reinvested in what makes them money, keeping verizon and sprint up to date with the tech.
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UMTS/HSDPA will put VZW and Sprint so far behind it will make them WISH for open source!
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Kind of like a jackass designed by committee?
UMTS is only roughly the equivalent of 1XRTT HSPDA is only roughly the equivalent of EVDV.
How can parallel technologies be ahead of one another? UMTS has had a tremendous amount of problems which are still not fixed.
CDMA does have open standards, what do you think the CDG is all about?
It is no longer all about Qualcomm, they just happen to be the leader among many.
UMTS has had enough problems being an open standard, so open that Siemens phones don't always work correctly on an Ericsson network and vice versa.
UMTS does have some value, but it cannot be considered to be anything other than a European version of CDMA because that is where the patent came from, Qualcomm.
UMTS is only roughly the equivalent of 1XRTT HSPDA is only roughly the equivalent of EVDV.
How can parallel technologies be ahead of one another? UMTS has had a tremendous amount of problems which are still not fixed.
CDMA does have open standards, what do you think the CDG is all about?
It is no longer all about Qualcomm, they just happen to be the leader among many.
UMTS has had enough problems being an open standard, so open that Siemens phones don't always work correctly on an Ericsson network and vice versa.
UMTS does have some value, but it cannot be considered to be anything other than a European version of CDMA because that is where the patent came from, Qualcomm.
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Pimp,
What you are saying is untrue. WCDMA is not on a GSM core. It is operated on its own core. You cannot have a TDMA data layer and a CDMA RF layer without major problems. WCDMA may use GSM channel spacing but its core is its own.
The entire reason for WCDMA is that the GSM data layer and RF layer were not capable of the demands of future features.
WCDMA is a complete network rebuild and not a GSM upgrade. It was created not because it is superior to CDMA but because the European Union gave an ultimatum: Create a homegrown 3G system, stay with GSM or surrender your licenses.
It has more to do with socialist protectionism than with anything else.
What you are saying is untrue. WCDMA is not on a GSM core. It is operated on its own core. You cannot have a TDMA data layer and a CDMA RF layer without major problems. WCDMA may use GSM channel spacing but its core is its own.
The entire reason for WCDMA is that the GSM data layer and RF layer were not capable of the demands of future features.
WCDMA is a complete network rebuild and not a GSM upgrade. It was created not because it is superior to CDMA but because the European Union gave an ultimatum: Create a homegrown 3G system, stay with GSM or surrender your licenses.
It has more to do with socialist protectionism than with anything else.
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Here you are wrong.
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/3g/index.shtml »
"The technology on which 3GSM services will be delivered is built around a core GSM network with a wideband-CDMA (W-CDMA) air interface, which has been developed as an open standard by operators in conjuction with the 3GPP standards development organization."
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/3g/index.shtml »
"The technology on which 3GSM services will be delivered is built around a core GSM network with a wideband-CDMA (W-CDMA) air interface, which has been developed as an open standard by operators in conjuction with the 3GPP standards development organization."
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I would have to agreed on the "who cares" part of your post.
seriously, who cares which is better.
both work.
both don't work.
wtf else do you want?
seriously, who cares which is better.
both work.
both don't work.
wtf else do you want?
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man, you sound like a lot of customer that I used to get. ahhaha
"anything else I can assist you with?"
"you can give me a lot of money"
... oh i died of laughter every time... O_o
"anything else I can assist you with?"
"you can give me a lot of money"
... oh i died of laughter every time... O_o
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see the thing is that I've heard it so many frickin times that it is no longer funny...I just always tell them if I had it I probably wouldn't be working today!
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CDMA vs GSM. Hmmmm...on one hand, you have a system that allows carriers the most number of users per sector, by a theoretical factor of 3/64! Most BTS's can be upgraded by simply replacing cards in the BTS, however, with the PCS overlay in EVDO, it does require the installataion of a fourth antenna in each sector, and the installation of multiple T1's.
So, why CDMA over GSM. someone else do the research online to refute this, if you will. Data rates in GSM are currently slower than those of 1X_RTT, and with the advent of EVDO, will fall increasingly behind. Due to their time-slotting of voice channels, they will hit an insurpassable barrier in through-put in attempting to launch 3.5G. However, the potential of 4G (VoIP networks), it will...
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So, why CDMA over GSM. someone else do the research online to refute this, if you will. Data rates in GSM are currently slower than those of 1X_RTT, and with the advent of EVDO, will fall increasingly behind. Due to their time-slotting of voice channels, they will hit an insurpassable barrier in through-put in attempting to launch 3.5G. However, the potential of 4G (VoIP networks), it will...
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CDG, congratulation, you have just confused every Cingular rep in here...lol 🤣
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Why of course we don't PP....hehehe...we just like to try to prove you wrong, and sometime we do...oh yes....thats right...we do...although it is very difficult for you to admit that you are wrong...that must come from old age hehehe 😁
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I was checkin the inline specs on the rotary ger.....I'm retarded - Tommy Boy
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Actually, VZWMan, ol' bud... I have never disputed CDMA's hold on the US... folks here are so good at pointing out that GSM is an older technology, but that is not true here in the states, where 2 of the 3 major GSM carriers have been GSM less than a year. Looking at it that way GSM is doing VERY well here.
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It's not like you started from scratch with GSM...It should be more like TDMA did very well in the US, and GSM basically inherited the customers...
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