Verizon's unlimited has been redefined by them. They state their service is to be used for email and surfing. Not heavy downloading like streaming movies. And some people have been canceled for that. So I am saying isn't rev 0 sufficient for these things or are they going to change their stance.

no they will not change their stance on that issue that I know of. the only thing it will help is sending attachments on your emails faster. the aircard is not a replacement for a landline broadband connection yet. it is in addition to it for peeps that need it on the go. maybe down the road that will change.

So my next question would be wouldn't it be better to go to the next thing past EVDO since it is going to cost allot of many for little gain. But then again they are smart and doing pretty good.

Next thing meaning what? They do not have the spectrum to go towards OFDM or Wimax.

“But then again they are smart and doing pretty good.”

With what? They are doing horribly when it comes to DO.

I am talking about they are doing wll by money adding customers and keeping them.

Don't get me wrong I have sprint and love them however you can not deny the figures verizon is posting. I believe it will change in the future but for now they are number 1.

They are not doing well with EV-DO though.

your right but until EVDO becomes a big part of the choice of what company someone goes with. It really doesn't matter does it? Thats why I say in the future things may change but no one has a crystal ball and we will have to just wait and see.

How do you figure that VZW is not doing well with EVDO?

Well, based on internal data as well as other data and frankly they do not provide how many customers are on their EV-DO network, which often is a sign that it is not doing that well and as evident by the data (internal ones) that is the case.

So your statement, "Verizon is not doing well with their EVDO" is based on them not providing how many customers are on their EVDO network? That's a very interesting conclusion based on no evidence.

I will re-post what I said.

“Well, based on internal data as well as other data and frankly they do not provide how many customers are on their EV-DO network, which often is a sign that it is not doing that well and as evident by the data (internal ones) that is the case.”

I also wanted to add that they didn’t release their push to talk numbers and obviously, we knew what the results from that product were.

"Internal data" means nothing, because thats not proof to anyone. You could be making that up. But since you want to bring up PTT. How about you bring up a comparison of the amount of customers leaving Sprint each quarter, and going to Verizon and Cingular. Now, you all excel with very high numbers in that category.

Second, bring up the numbers of the low amount of customer net adds that Sprint brings in compared to Cingular and Verizon. Please, don't just stop at PTT, tell the whole story. HA 🤣

Internal data means everything especially since the data is among every carrier in this industry on things they do not report publicly.

And why would I make things up? I have no intention to do that but just provide information and if I were to make things up it would be a waste of my time to even be doing so.

So I can tell you that Sprint is doing much better by at least 3x to Verizon’s EV-DO.

With regarding PTT, the carriers who launched them such as Sprint, Verizon, and Cingular (earlier in the day) didn’t want to publicly state the records, however, internal data showed that they didn’t do well and that is one of the reasons why they didn’t state those figures publicly.

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Stop trying to talk some sense into his head 18. The discussion started out about EVDO only and all he wants to talk about is net ads and churn. The subject heading seemed quite specific but hey, you cannot argue with some of these fanboys 🤣

I find that quite funny. Lol. Every time I want to talk about the topic at hand, it always is diverted to either attacks or something totally different.

Very true. 🙂


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and he added PTT as a topic before I changed the topic. But I said, if he wants to add PTT, he should add everything, and that's what I did. It just so happens, that overall, VZW and Cingular are both doing better. The numbers are very obvious.

Your right about numbers and 18 is very right about EVDO. There is no argument there. Verzion is behind so much they can't support unlimited as they advertise while sprint encourages you to stream videos as much as you can.

He wants me to include everything when I just talked about PTT and DO? Hmm.

I would bet if you talk about someones famlly in the same post as their wireless carrier they would get more defensive about the wireless carrier then their family.

Hahaha


Want to start that scientific study?

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Well, it may also be that since Verizon has been lighting up a new area with EvDO every week for almost two months now, they're just waiting until they're done for a final head count.

Perhaps, but I doubt it because Sprint has been broadcasting its numbers for 4 quarters now; Verizon didn’t even do it for one. If it was really doing that well, they would want to publish those numbers since they don’t there are problems with it and the same had to deal with PTT.

I still don't understand how you came to the conclusion that if they're not posting their numbers that means there are problems with it.

PTT... well PTT was a mess.

Simple. No company will report things that are bad for the company. They didn’t report PTT and we saw how that was and they don’t report their EV-DO and that is performing badly too. As I said before the data states that.

I don't think Verizon even wanted or cared if push to talk was successful. They didn't even hardly try to advertise it and priced it to high. I think they just wanted it for the small niche that had to have it and Verizon. If they priced it better and advertised it we would have sold it, but like I said I don't think Verizon even wanted to go that direction.

Well, the product itself was horrible so I mean customers who had Nextel were not going to switch because of the problems their PTT as well as others had faced.

They should have wanted and cared that PTT would be successful because they would get more customers. They should also care more about DO and prepaid, but they don’t for some reason. I think that has to change or they could face some difficulty going down the road. For now, this postpaid situation is great, but later down it wont because obviously we know about saturation limits.

They market their DO but they aren’t very good advertisements and plus not many people care because when they think of data it is Sprint then Cingular, but Verizon needs to change that image. The sam...
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oh i agree, but just didn't seem like they wanted or put the effort into the product. They priced the plans to high, limited phones that where also priced way to high. Prepaid is a joke, now ezpay is not to bad and we sell a lot of that product, but the traditional prepaid is a joke. I am hoping data may become a little less $ and content become more abundant and mediaflo will kick ass, but we will see.

That is the problem though and they should look at all areas of products in which to grow their revenue and subscriber base and that excuse “we don’t care we just wanted to try it” routine doesn’t work.

Of course, it doesn’t matter, but the problem is, Verizon seems to only care about one thing and that is voice. It seems like they don’t care about prepaid or data especially EV-DO. They get most of their data revenue with 1xRTT still, which is good, but they need to make those customers upgrade to EV-DO.

I thought it was under 1gig/month that the restriction was, oops they increased the usage.

Take a look at the restriction; “UNLIMITED DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uplo...
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5 GB is a lot of usage. When they do upgrade the network, they may increase the limit like they have in the past. This restriction is there for a reason right now though, because the EV-DO network only has so much bandwidth to allocate to its users so if everyone was using it excessively, it would affect other users.

Yea, I know it is a lot of usage and I remember they upgraded that from 1gig/month but still when you pay for “unlimited data” you should have unlimited data and no restrictions, but then again it is Verizon.

That I think is the whole problem and it won't get better unless verizon has some spectrum laying around.

ok I don't know everything so here is my question. Why would VOIP be of any use through a wireless carrier?

Currently there are 2 networks, Voice and Data, if you can do your voice on the data network, you would only have to maintain 1 network, so it's cheaper, you can handle more load on the data network with VOIP as well.

Wouldnt there be a massive loss of revenue since people would get unlimited calls for a low price?

I don't think wireless is that reliable as is. Let alone if they went to VOIP. Not only would you have to have a good signal but good network traffic. Not to mention it is easier to get a voice call with limited signal then it is to get data access.

Even if Verizon does convert all its cellular and PCS networks to EVDO data VOIP, it will take awhile. Hell, it's taking long enough to convert AMPS - digital or TDMA - GSM. 🤣

No, they will probably still market the same plans, just use VOIP instead of the voice network, plus it will be a while before EVDO Rev A is in all areas, Rev 0 is hasn't even covered everywhere where 1XRTT is... So VOIP would most be useable in major metro areas first until it expand to the whole network including roaming partners. So there will still be a need for the voice network and voice plans for a while.

There was some talk a while back about using Skype on your cell phone? Can you still do that?

I doubt verizon would use that as skype to skype would be free, Verizon would want to make money off this, but the premiss is the same.