Teenage Politics
There was a boy about fourteen down the street from me. He's a pretty decent ball player, he's got good grades from what I understand, and the chicks kind of dig him. Now, He has an older brother who is a stand out kind of guy. He's about sixteen and has this GTO. It's amazing. He is an All-State ball player, is 2nd in his class and of course the women love him. So one day, the boy, who's fourteen, decides I'm going to go and get even with my big brother. So, he buys a moped. Fire Engine Red, pedal start, the works. And the moment he buys the moped he cruises around town thinking that he's the best thing to hit town since the Krispy Kreme. And of course, everyone sees straight through his facade. He's still the mediocre little boy...
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maybe if his older brother wasn't so damn good at everything đĸ ........
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i was the older brother anyway đ
just i wasn't a very good baseball player didn't get all the chicks and drove an 84' cressida âšī¸
just i wasn't a very good baseball player didn't get all the chicks and drove an 84' cressida âšī¸
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I was good at ball, had one steady chick, and I drove a hoopty dodge caravan. It was pimp.
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haha me and my best friend are like bros every way but biological and i drive a 2004 black toyota sequoia girls semi love me but im really popualar and my bro HE HAS 10 GIRLS THAT HE KNOWS FOR SURE LIKE HIM AND ABOUT ANOTHER 18 MAYBES! Really now all the girls care about is if you have enough money to take them to dinner and buy them this and that alot of them are so greedy don't worry you can still drive that 84 cessida and get a nice girl.
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thats just racist if you were a woman i don't think you would like that?
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By the way it was a compliment. Even so, it doesn't top your statement of "most of them are greedy."
I think we some pessimists in here
I think we some pessimists in here
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schnozejt said:
By the way it was a compliment. Even so, it doesn't top your statement of "most of them are greedy."
I think we some pessimists in here
Or someone with greedy woman problems hehehe
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I think schnozejt needs to learn how to write
"I think we some pessimists in here." What does that mean?
"I think we some pessimists in here." What does that mean?
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How can you take the old bully kicking sand on the beach story and apply it to two major carriers? Bad analogy. đ¤Ŗ
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Airwar said:
How can you take the old bully kicking sand on the beach story and apply it to two major carriers? Bad analogy. đ¤Ŗ
And always remember, you can't spell "analogy" without "anal" AND "log!" đŗ đ¤Ŗ
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wonderdave...
You obviously aren't in touch with the reality of what's right around the corner, are you?
Lemme see if I can recap for you. By year's end:
Larger all digital network
Full deployment of EDGE while EV-DO is still limping out city by city
Larger customer base
Largest network in US period
Coverage in all 100 top markets
Let me point out that VZW has never had a competitor even CLOSE to them in coverage before now. Once there is one (Cingular) with better features, lower costs, better phones, and near universal usability, you will then be able to see what the real deal is.
UMTS/HSDPA is slated for early 2005. UMTS will double the call capacity of the network, and HSDPA(a software upgrade to UMTS) will offer data sp...
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You obviously aren't in touch with the reality of what's right around the corner, are you?
Lemme see if I can recap for you. By year's end:
Larger all digital network
Full deployment of EDGE while EV-DO is still limping out city by city
Larger customer base
Largest network in US period
Coverage in all 100 top markets
Let me point out that VZW has never had a competitor even CLOSE to them in coverage before now. Once there is one (Cingular) with better features, lower costs, better phones, and near universal usability, you will then be able to see what the real deal is.
UMTS/HSDPA is slated for early 2005. UMTS will double the call capacity of the network, and HSDPA(a software upgrade to UMTS) will offer data sp...
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see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. He's shouting "look at me, I've got a moped. I've got muscles too! I want to be noticed" It's okay. It's okay to want to be noticed. I feel your pain little brother. You see, little brother will always be shouting out to prove himself. Big Brother's chilling in the corner with his hot chick thinking about which scholarship he's going to take and which photo to send to the newspaper. He's not worried about competition because he's proven himself. And even 20 years down the road, no matter how big or buff the younger brother becomes, the big brother will always be able to take the younger brother. It's the laws of sibling-hood - if that's even a word.
Besides, if I broke my confidenti...
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no more teenage politics it's making me sick as i pay my tutition bills alone đĸ
another analogus please.......
another analogus please.......
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Why is it when VZW announces something its advertising, and when Cingular announces something, its "little brother"? You act like you did it all on your own. VZW became as large as it is the same way Cingular did... mergers and acquisitions. We have been fully GSM for less than six months. Remember your transitional pains? We're just coming out of them. People are finally becoming aware of the fact we CAN match you for coverage in the areas we serve. People are becoming aware that VZW canoot match key features we have. Thet are discovering that there is an easier way, that works well, is less expensive, and doesn't require a degree in engineering to figure out.
VZW has the in-network, the extended network, the 'out' network, this network ...
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VZW has the in-network, the extended network, the 'out' network, this network ...
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correction...n&w work anywhere onm the network...extended or vzw coverage doesn't matter with that...that was a good rant PP but you got a little ahead of yourself on that one Big Dog
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The only "home" calling issue is on the local digital choice plans. VZW still offers them but you will NEVER see them. They are like the black sheep of the family. You lock em in a dark cabinet and don't speak their name.
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Local plans work very well for people who live NV,NM,MT, Moon. It provides more extended coverage in the boonies. Also, you get more minutes that america's choice plans.
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LOL...those used to be soooo popular here in NE...I loved em too, we beat the crap outta them... I miss them (snif)
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phonepimp3376 said:
Lemme see if I can recap for you. By year's end:
Larger all digital network
Full deployment of EDGE while EV-DO is still limping out city by city
Larger customer base
Largest network in US period
Coverage in all 100 top markets
This remains to be seen since this is something in the future. You and I both do not know how many towers VZW added this year, or how many towers were snatched up in the Qwest deal.
I love how you always say this or that is coming from Cingular and how superior Cingular is because of what is not even out yet, but VZW adding something like EV-DO is pathetic. Typical salesman bullcrap.
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Dakz... first off, we cannot LOSE markets, only gain them, we will end up with 97 markets from the ATTWS deal. We have the remaining 3 in the Triton deal upon close of ATTWS. How can I not state that?
Never said EV-DO was pathetic, but comparing something in 3 cities to something in over 50 markets is.
UMTS IS WCDMA...check your facts.
The FCC and DoJ are already clearing markets, or didn't you notice? Just came down that two licenses we had to sell off to ATTWS four years ago, when Cingular was formed, can come back to us without an antitrust issue.
Cingular will emerge from the deal with somewhere in the neighborhood of 46 million subs. VZW would have to add 5+ million in 2 quarters to prevent us from doing so. Not very likel...
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Never said EV-DO was pathetic, but comparing something in 3 cities to something in over 50 markets is.
UMTS IS WCDMA...check your facts.
The FCC and DoJ are already clearing markets, or didn't you notice? Just came down that two licenses we had to sell off to ATTWS four years ago, when Cingular was formed, can come back to us without an antitrust issue.
Cingular will emerge from the deal with somewhere in the neighborhood of 46 million subs. VZW would have to add 5+ million in 2 quarters to prevent us from doing so. Not very likel...
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First off, 97 != 100. Your exaggeration in your first post said 100 of the top 100 markets.
So comparing UTMS that isn't even out yet to EV-DO which is already in 3 days makes Cingular better?
No, UTMS runs off WCDMA according to this site. Check your facts, either that or this site is wrong.
Point being? I miss the signifigance of the start of the dicing up process being relevant to the total outcome.
Correct, you will end up with more customers, but how long will you hold onto that title? At your current growth rate on BOTH companies compared to VZWs growth rate you won't have it for long. Did you notice that when taking the net new adds from AT&T + Cingular it = less than 1/3rd the net adds VZW had? I am going to take a page ...
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So comparing UTMS that isn't even out yet to EV-DO which is already in 3 days makes Cingular better?
No, UTMS runs off WCDMA according to this site. Check your facts, either that or this site is wrong.
Point being? I miss the signifigance of the start of the dicing up process being relevant to the total outcome.
Correct, you will end up with more customers, but how long will you hold onto that title? At your current growth rate on BOTH companies compared to VZWs growth rate you won't have it for long. Did you notice that when taking the net new adds from AT&T + Cingular it = less than 1/3rd the net adds VZW had? I am going to take a page ...
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Get it straight dakz. ATTWS buyout gives us 97 of 100. Triton PCS deal once ATTWS conclues gives us three new markets 97+3 = 100 when I went to school.
Check out http://www.gsmworld.com for the lowdown on UMTS
No one has, nor will they ever have, 100% coverage. But we do have a larger digital presence than VZW.
Downloads on another network is not a problem. We don't use a closed tech like BREW. GPRS and EDGE function on any GSM network its enabled on. All three major GSM carriers have GPRS, so downloads will work across networks.
Yes, VZW has a no roaming plan that is more expensive than their other national offerings.
We are not as profitable? We are dropping 41 BILLION for ATTWS! And ARPU is in line with VZW. But we do it wi...
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Check out http://www.gsmworld.com for the lowdown on UMTS
No one has, nor will they ever have, 100% coverage. But we do have a larger digital presence than VZW.
Downloads on another network is not a problem. We don't use a closed tech like BREW. GPRS and EDGE function on any GSM network its enabled on. All three major GSM carriers have GPRS, so downloads will work across networks.
Yes, VZW has a no roaming plan that is more expensive than their other national offerings.
We are not as profitable? We are dropping 41 BILLION for ATTWS! And ARPU is in line with VZW. But we do it wi...
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What he said....
Verizon's biggest headache is that they have more to lose (beginning with the JD Powers ratings), while Cingular has more to gain. Cingular already has the best plans, phones, and consistant network in my book. I think it wn't be long before the reat of the buying public opens their eyes.
The T Mobile surprise snag of the VErizon highly touted JD Powers rating is only the beginning of the small losses.
Verizon's biggest headache is that they have more to lose (beginning with the JD Powers ratings), while Cingular has more to gain. Cingular already has the best plans, phones, and consistant network in my book. I think it wn't be long before the reat of the buying public opens their eyes.
The T Mobile surprise snag of the VErizon highly touted JD Powers rating is only the beginning of the small losses.
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Of corse Verizon has more to loose, When your in the lead you always have more to loose and when your behind, You only have more to gain. Thats simple logic to me.
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Glad to hear. Compteition should prove good then.
Again I did not say Cingular was not profitable. Nor did I say not as profitable. I said SOME companies are not. You also place in your clauses as do we that if you are off network for more than 3 months you can cancel services, meaning you will not eat those costs for long. Does this mean VZW is right? Personally I don't think so, but I am allowed to have my difference of opinion from the company also. What I AM pointing out is that sure Cingular may excell in some areas, but they do not in all areas. VZW does great in areas you do not. Load capacity being 1, among others. Yeah, there are more on both sides, but nitpicking on those isn't the point I am begining to predict your future repl...
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Again I did not say Cingular was not profitable. Nor did I say not as profitable. I said SOME companies are not. You also place in your clauses as do we that if you are off network for more than 3 months you can cancel services, meaning you will not eat those costs for long. Does this mean VZW is right? Personally I don't think so, but I am allowed to have my difference of opinion from the company also. What I AM pointing out is that sure Cingular may excell in some areas, but they do not in all areas. VZW does great in areas you do not. Load capacity being 1, among others. Yeah, there are more on both sides, but nitpicking on those isn't the point I am begining to predict your future repl...
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I do not say the market does not like VErizon. I have always said the market is ignorant of the DIFFERENCES and improvements the smaller carriers have made. I have always said that the market will always chase the better value. I said Cingular is the better value and will be more so when they are as big as Verizon in PUBLIC perception, not just Subs or size of network. People are lemmings...They want what others have, fancy cars, watches, hairstyles, music taste and even phones (of course all the while they think they are being individual and unique. The guy thats still wearing the 70's style haircut is now!))
I am convinced then unless Verizon matches or beats Cingular in EVERY category, the informed customer will choose the better value...
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I am convinced then unless Verizon matches or beats Cingular in EVERY category, the informed customer will choose the better value...
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most providers have good coverage and rate plans here in NY
What would sway me now would be faster internet and cooler phones..... đ
What would sway me now would be faster internet and cooler phones..... đ
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It seems to me that this argument is fruitless. Most of you are employees of the companies you work for and are obviously never going to concede that the other company is better. I, however, am just a lowly costumer of mobile communication and I say that what really should matter here is the happiness of the costumer, especially in a market which is becoming extremely saturated as the US cellular market is becoming.
A few observations about the above discussion:
1) The original analogy is ambiguous at best, and to that point useless in my opinion. There is no way to know that the older, all-American brother won't go to Harvard for pre-med, get hooked on cocaine to get himself through the long nights and eventually end up on the street...
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A few observations about the above discussion:
1) The original analogy is ambiguous at best, and to that point useless in my opinion. There is no way to know that the older, all-American brother won't go to Harvard for pre-med, get hooked on cocaine to get himself through the long nights and eventually end up on the street...
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Hey, no problems, you make some very valid points. Something I posted a week or so ago about the JD power's report among other things is that when it comes to cellular industry, to be the best here is to be the best of one of the most hated industries out there.
Most of us here just squabble pointlessly among ourselves because we have nothing better to do or we answer customer questions for those chime in. The most anyone here can really do is try to provide the best customer service they know how to... (sadly with some here, that isn't saying much, they much rather argue on how they are better then everyone else, which even I am sure I'm guilty of to some point) ...I hope things start working better for you and if you have any questions...
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Most of us here just squabble pointlessly among ourselves because we have nothing better to do or we answer customer questions for those chime in. The most anyone here can really do is try to provide the best customer service they know how to... (sadly with some here, that isn't saying much, they much rather argue on how they are better then everyone else, which even I am sure I'm guilty of to some point) ...I hope things start working better for you and if you have any questions...
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That has got to be the worst analogy i have ever heard. Are you seriously comparing The two Largest Cell companies to high school ball playing brothers. come on now, I have been gone for a few days now, and i was hoping i would find so inteligent conversation going on in my favorite forum.
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So are you saying that as a cingular person your favorite forum is the VZW one? I feel so special, you had me at hello ::tear::
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I thought I told you not to bring our person stuff on here for everyone to see...hehehe
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