Is VZW concerned?
That after announcing the v710 in January, waiting 8 moths to release it, that it could be the death of their 'extensive testing' line if its total ****?
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i dont think it will honestly. i still think they will test and test and test. i think since this one was soo widely talked about and anticipated that they doubled the testing to make sure. i dont think it will flop either. im pretty confident the testing will prove to pay off and lead to many many more impressive phons and serive! i stil would rather go with a company that tests their stuff than companies with no testies at all. no pun intended 😁 booyah
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We test as well...we just don't use it as an excuse for why the waits are so long 😁 Its rare that I encounter a customer who can document 6 dead phones in 18 months due to hardware issues using Cingular phones. I have seen it twice from folks with Verizon phones. Documented by techs as hardware related, not user damage.
I don't doubt that VZW tests their phones as hard as we do. But stop telling people thats the reason you release fewer phones. It isn't. The truth is there are tons more GSM phones being released due to higher demand for GSM. Tell people the truth. Of course that would mean you would have to explain the difference between the two honestly, and let people make a choice, doesn't it? Awww forget it... lie to them! It'll mak...
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I don't doubt that VZW tests their phones as hard as we do. But stop telling people thats the reason you release fewer phones. It isn't. The truth is there are tons more GSM phones being released due to higher demand for GSM. Tell people the truth. Of course that would mean you would have to explain the difference between the two honestly, and let people make a choice, doesn't it? Awww forget it... lie to them! It'll mak...
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let me ask phone pimp...how long on average does it take for Cingular to bring out a phone from the time the Man. hands it over till it hits the store? And are there ever delays that make it later than that average?
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There are occasionally delays, but dude - 8 months?
Barring any serious issues with hardware and software, from what I've seen less 2 months. If we are not the second or third carrier to release it. Manufacturers sometimes give a certain carrier first launch rights, so we have to wait a certain amount of time to test and release it. We were a bit behind ATTWS on the V600 for example. The V400 was exclusive to us in the US, so we got that one out in about 2 months after we got it.
Barring any serious issues with hardware and software, from what I've seen less 2 months. If we are not the second or third carrier to release it. Manufacturers sometimes give a certain carrier first launch rights, so we have to wait a certain amount of time to test and release it. We were a bit behind ATTWS on the V600 for example. The V400 was exclusive to us in the US, so we got that one out in about 2 months after we got it.
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THe CDMA technology is much more difficult to implement as well, especially coincidental with other features. It requires more testing and has more room for failure as it is more complicated and more expensive than GSM tecnology to produce and replace.
You would think with 45 million CDMA users, the majors would relase more phones for CDMA..But they don't. I am sure its a business decision that was made after doing some extensive number crunching and research.
I would think even Motorola is frustrated with all the time and effort spent trying to get a single solution to Verizon......Soon they may say screw it. not worth it...Call Audiovox!!!
You would think with 45 million CDMA users, the majors would relase more phones for CDMA..But they don't. I am sure its a business decision that was made after doing some extensive number crunching and research.
I would think even Motorola is frustrated with all the time and effort spent trying to get a single solution to Verizon......Soon they may say screw it. not worth it...Call Audiovox!!!
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CDMA has a little over 100 million users worldwide... GSM over 1.1 billion... where should I spend my R&D budget? This is what the phone manufacturers ask themselves. Guess what they decide?
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Wow I did not know that GSM was that far ahead in users world wide.10-1? I guess I sort of get brain washed by Verizon having more users in the US.
Yikes. I now understand the Kyocera, Audiovox connection . They don't have a chance selling a GSM phone. If they want to be in the phone business as well as the other businesses their in I suppose it's CDMA.
What is the trend? In the US Verizon claims more port ins. But worldwide is GSM growing faster then CDMA? If so I am sure CDMA = Betamax in the long term.
Yikes. I now understand the Kyocera, Audiovox connection . They don't have a chance selling a GSM phone. If they want to be in the phone business as well as the other businesses their in I suppose it's CDMA.
What is the trend? In the US Verizon claims more port ins. But worldwide is GSM growing faster then CDMA? If so I am sure CDMA = Betamax in the long term.
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If so I am sure CDMA = Betamax in the long term.Do you honestly believe that Sprint or Verizon or any other CDMA carrier in the United States is dropping CDMA? Brilliant deduction, genius.
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No, not in the near future, but I can see the potential of being knocked off the perch as it were. Something not many Verizon employees believe could ever happen.
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the vhs vs betamax debate doesn't truely apply. It's more like:
CDMA = Standard System
GSM = Metric System
CDMA = Standard System
GSM = Metric System
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not really, the metric system never caught on in the US...GSM has, and runs a good chance of burying CDMA here.
Betamax - VHS is perfect for a couple of reasons... anyone will admit Betamax was a better technology than VHS. But VHS became more popular, so everybody bought VHS. It was easier to get VHS equipment and tapes. So everybody bought VHS.
Now look at CDMA. It claims to be a better technology. From an engineering standpoint that is true, no argument. But GSM is becoming more popular.
It is easier to get GSM handsets with the features people want. So more people are starting to go GSM.
See the parallels?
Betamax - VHS is perfect for a couple of reasons... anyone will admit Betamax was a better technology than VHS. But VHS became more popular, so everybody bought VHS. It was easier to get VHS equipment and tapes. So everybody bought VHS.
Now look at CDMA. It claims to be a better technology. From an engineering standpoint that is true, no argument. But GSM is becoming more popular.
It is easier to get GSM handsets with the features people want. So more people are starting to go GSM.
See the parallels?
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Yes, but betamax didn't have the backing that CDMA does. Also, VHS never tried to switch to a form of betamax. GSM is going WCDMA. My point with the metric system analagy is that CDMA is around to stay and so is GSM.
Soon they will become WCDMA and CDMA2000. Then we'll have the same argument with different names.
I want WCDMA2000.
Soon they will become WCDMA and CDMA2000. Then we'll have the same argument with different names.
I want WCDMA2000.
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I really don't understand why people assume GSM is better than CDMA? Yes, most of Europe and Asia use the technology but last time I checked we are in the United States. Seriously, what percentage of US residents travel to Europe or Asia with the intent to use their cell phones? Besides, Verizon customers can always rent a GSM phone and have their calls forwarded to it if they need one for their trip that bad.
As for CDMA vs GSM; CDMA is better because it has a higher bandwidth and a much larger capacity for the network.
As for CDMA vs GSM; CDMA is better because it has a higher bandwidth and a much larger capacity for the network.
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You're right, we ARE in the United States, where people choose GSM and CDMA about 50/50 right now. Bear in mind, however, that while GSM is an older technology, it is relatively new on the National scene in the US. ATTWS and Cingular have just recently finished the GSM overlays of their networks.
CDMA does have some limitations, that GSM does not. CDMA needs a separate network for high speed data, hence VZW's Enhanced network. This means that ultimately CDMA will need more spectrum to expand their offerings than a GSM company if they choose to offer these services to their entire subscriber base.
CDMA as we know it right now is still reliant on analog to a degree. This means that certain features and services will not be available acros...
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CDMA does have some limitations, that GSM does not. CDMA needs a separate network for high speed data, hence VZW's Enhanced network. This means that ultimately CDMA will need more spectrum to expand their offerings than a GSM company if they choose to offer these services to their entire subscriber base.
CDMA as we know it right now is still reliant on analog to a degree. This means that certain features and services will not be available acros...
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phonepimp3376 said:
Capacity doesn't really mean anything to a customer.
Capacity does not matter??? Tell that to the customers who try calling and hear that horrible message, "All circuits are busy... please try again later"
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I've never heard it on Cingular... I have on Nextel though. The call capacity difference isn't as huge as you think.
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No, but Betamax did try to incorporate VHS compatibility just before they were completely ousted from the market. WCDMA is the best of BOTH technologies, while still being open source. It has the Code Division of CDMA, as well as all the benefits of GSM. GSM has the advantage of upgradability without being tied to one small group of developers. Anyone can develop GSM improvements due to it being open source, unlike CDMA. More than one vendor can develop chipsets for GSM, which means competition in the chipset market, and lower prices because of that competition. All CDMA equipment, and all CDMA carriers, have to wait for Qualcomm to do something before they can implement it. GSM has no such restriction.
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Now don't jump on me if I'm wrong on this but: Maybe when CDMA patents get to be 17 years old the opportunity to modify CDMA by anyone (like GSM) might exist. Patents don't last forever.
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CDMA does not have 17 years of higher prices and twin netwoks leading to more expensive phones...By that time unless Qualcom acts to save it's own azz, GSM will have swallowd the whale.
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evidently you're going to continue you crusade that CDMA is running on borrowed time, so how bout we just end the bickering and leave at this...we'll see, years down the line you can come back at me and say "I told you so" or it will be the other way...there is no point in arguing this anymore unless you have contacted the psychic friends network and consulted with them on this matter... this concludes our broadcast thread, I'll be here all week, the 4:30 show in unlike the 6:30, try the veal and be sure to tip your waitress
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Is the waitress wearing panties? If not I'll tip her a few times...hell, I might even SPIN her!
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TheVZWMan said:
evidently you're going to continue you crusade that CDMA is running on borrowed time, so how bout we just end the bickering and leave at this...we'll see, years down the line you can come back at me and say "I told you so" or it will be the other way...there is no point in arguing this anymore unless you have contacted the psychic friends network and consulted with them on this matter... this concludes our broadcast thread, I'll be here all week, the 4:30 show in unlike the 6:30, try the veal and be sure to tip your waitress
For what it is worth.... Both GSM and CDMA, Like TDMA and the old Analog are running on borrowed time... Obviously no techno geeks here.. In order to increase digital c...
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kingfrog77 said:Right. 'Cause we're all righteous pricks. It's not happening in the near future, far future, or alternate future, you misinformed twit.
No, not in the near future, but I can see the potential of being knocked off the perch as it were. Something not many Verizon employees believe could ever happen.
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muchdrama said:kingfrog77 said:Right. 'Cause we're all righteous pricks. It's not happening in the near future, far future, or alternate future, you misinformed twit.
No, not in the near future, but I can see the potential of being knocked off the perch as it were. Something not many Verizon employees believe could ever happen.
kingbitch down for the count. pee on his head! pee on his head!
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I would actually equate them to the Apple vs PC. Now where the PC's are more prolific, truly the best and most powerful programs & hardware are offered by the Apple computers. All the best music, graphics, & other advanced programs are found on the Mac. There is just not as many of them, but by no means are they "floundering".
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Biggs said:
I would actually equate them to the Apple vs PC. Now where the PC's are more prolific, truly the best and most powerful programs & hardware are offered by the Apple computers. All the best music, graphics, & other advanced programs are found on the Mac. There is just not as many of them, but by no means are they "floundering".
Thats actually a really good analogy between CDMA vs GSM. Well done.
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😡 I did have to wait for Everquest to come out for the MAC a couple years after the fact, though...
🙄 Whaddaryagonnado? Its got its ups and downs.
🙄 Whaddaryagonnado? Its got its ups and downs.
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Motorola announced the V710 in late March, and from day one they said June was the earliest it would be out. No one "waited 8 months". It was delayed almost 2 months, but that's pretty good for Verizon.
Heck, the V810 was been delayed much longer, and the Samsung i600 was delayed almost a whole year! The V710 is practically on time. 2 months is the kind of relatively short delay you'd expect from any carrier but Verizon.
Heck, the V810 was been delayed much longer, and the Samsung i600 was delayed almost a whole year! The V710 is practically on time. 2 months is the kind of relatively short delay you'd expect from any carrier but Verizon.
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Rich Brome said:
...the V810 was been delayed ...
🤭 You know what I meant... 😉
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Hey PP I think Rich just put you in your place with that...not 8 months...it's only 2 months late...right now...hehehe
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Rich is right on this one. But, I do have to re-emphasize that the v710 has been overhyped since day one. Moto/Verizon has a LOT to live up to now that they've been touting this from the hilltops.
Granted that the everyday consumer has no idea that the v710 even exists until it hits stores. But the average consumer isn't one who buys the v710 anyway. It's people like us and tech-heads and BIG business folk that have been hearing how great this is. If it craps out I think Verizon probably should have a bit of a contingency plan.
Granted that the everyday consumer has no idea that the v710 even exists until it hits stores. But the average consumer isn't one who buys the v710 anyway. It's people like us and tech-heads and BIG business folk that have been hearing how great this is. If it craps out I think Verizon probably should have a bit of a contingency plan.
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