well there were many articles and complaints that they restrict bluetooth capability.. so i was just curious what you had to say..

No problem at all man. I've been a reader for some time, very few posts. but needless to say I've always enjoyed your ensight. Feel free to ask me anything, if I can answer it I will. I will do the same with you.

thanks.. i just dont like how these companies, mainly verizon put restrictions on their ev-do and the bluetooth.. i think its unfair.. customers pay for it= i think they should get it..

your views?

I feel same. I feel Verizon should offer full file transfer for the bluetooth, if not atleast block the abilty to make MP3's into ringtones and offer OBEX. I can only understand a small part why its blocked. Think about this way Movies theatres will make you throw away your candy and soda if they catch you, mainly for revenue, same with verizon, but I see no way fit that they should block data transfer (like contacts pic's and MP3's). Thats the consumers right I see, by all means theres a way around everything, not many people want to use "cracks" to open profiles, but its possible. From where things are going, I wouldnt doubt that VZw will start offering more options on the UI and b/t but untill then, we will never know. I do think that oth...
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why does verizon care what the consumer is using on their ev-do or even on the bluetooth transmission? i mean they should try to monitor some illegal activity, but other than that, why do they care?

i think that is why not many people like them for that.

you kids need to get some of your facts staight 🙄 obex is allow on other pda also

we know that- we are jsut saying they restrict the bluetooth capability some time.. on verizon's system.

obex is possible on the verizons network thats the bottom line and i dont want anyone to read this and be confused by you guys.

i know... we arent disputing about the differnt forms of the bluetooth technology such as; obex, ftp and others.. we are just stating that sometimes verizon restricts it.

yes and im just jumping in with my point...if you have some skillza there are workarounds for most of the things you are talking about.

also many of you have no idea what verizon has in store... im just saying verizon is not as restrictive as some would like to make out to be. and just because some havent heard doesnt mean its not true


The upcoming LG VX8300 (2006-02-23, s/w version: E17) is qualified for:

- AVCTP
- OBEX
- OPP-Server
- SDAP
- Serial-DevA
- Serial-DevB
- A2DP-Source
- AVDTP
- AVRCP-Target
- DUN-GW
- GAP
- GAVDP
- HandsFree-AG (1.0)
- Headset-AG
- OPP-Client

http://qualweb.bluetooth.org/Templa...&ProductID=3180 »

i can always find out what verizon has, however, many people have been complaining of how much they "cripple" their phones and devices whether it is on their pc-cards with broadband or bluetooth..

They do cripple the Bluetooth profiles on the phones. I have class action paperwork for my V710 because of it. Verizon has now adjusted their advertising and the people who brought it to court are now thinking of taking on the Bluetooth standards group.

They assert that OBEX is an essential part of Bluetooth and that is should not be limited for profit. It is because the OBEX capability allows the sychronization and movement of data between devices. The last I read the idea was to prevent any device from getting the Bluetooth certification unless all the profiles are enabled.

Reference the websites below.

http://www.kirtlandpackard.com/v710/ »
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/footer/legalNotic ... »

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The network has NOTHING to do with it. It is the firmware on the phone.

Don't get me wrong on the EV-do services, but as far as I know we don't black nothing there. or are you talking about our National Access and browsing?


Thats the one product I haven't really looked into, I know how its provisioned and works, but as far as navigating the Internet, I don't think anything is blocked. (I haven't tried "full" navigation if you know what I mean) proper work etiquette and all.

on another note, when REV A comes out, all i got to say is damn. hopfully early to mid 07,

yea, the national access and browsing by using the pc-cards.. (im not sure about the handheld devices) i know from people who had verizon's ev-do system with the pc-card they said they restrict a lot of things..

frankly, look at the terms and conditions, it states it right there.

yea, rev A will be nice.. both carriers sprint and verizon will have some fun, but i dont think verizon will do well with data, becuase they arent really good when it comes to data and content, but sprint on the other hand is. i knwo when sprint is coming out with hit, however, verizon hasnt mentioned that they are.. they said they are testing it.. but nothing else..

here is what i saw; "Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess:
Subject to VZAccess Acc...
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it's pretty standard though......to host a download service, game, etc. hogs up a ton of bandwidth. Even comcast has in their stipulations that you cannot use your cable modem axcess to host any online services. Read their ToS sometime. It seems really restrictive, but only if you are hosting services. Otherwise you can do what you want. They only know what you are doing if your bandwith is way outside the norm, at which point they will probably investigate why. They don't sit there and monitor content.

well, i can do whatever i want with comcast and sprint's ev-do system and they dont even care..

the point is; why do they care so much? if a consumer is paying then who cares..

(look at those restrictions what verizon has, that is too much)

I have comcast.....and if you are caught hosting a game, web service, or any dedicated server, you will have your service terminated. They did it to a friend of mine. He used to host proxys for games and they shut his ass down because he used like 20x as much bandwidth as the normal user.

i do it, and they dont care..

that hits it right on the head Dj

All thats acceptable, whats not acceptable is setting you broadband up with wireless router and using multiple comps, vzw will stop that from happening. 200k to 500k kb a month is normal usage maybe more, but a million plus kb is alot of usage and will slow other users speed so as far as i know vzw puts a stop to that.

yea, but i figured people are paying for it, they shouldnt really mind or care..

i use a lots of Megabites per day and sometimes i would hit the GB of data going back and forth in a given time, sprint doesnt care.. so i dont get why verizon does.

I hear ya, I can tell you though, that i havent heard of a case yet where vzw has disconnected a national access / broadband access account for use.

i had actually a few friends of mine that switched to sprint's powervision (pc-card) becuase of that same event. (the restrictions and their accounts got terminated.. i couldnt laugh any harder lol.)

yea, but i figured people are paying for it

I couldn't have said it better. People are paying for it. And to have one user bog down a tower so bad that the other 50 people in the area that pay can't make calls or pull up the internet is not a good thing. It's all a pretty standard thing. I'm all for free internet, open source programming, and any other socialist ideal you can apply to information and technology, but the fact is that if I saw you sitting next to me running a small mainframe of computers to host some stupid Ultima Online party and I couldn't make a call.......I'd kick your ass.

just an opinion.

lol i guess. i just say if one pays they should get features and functions they expect.

just my opinion 2. 🙂

djdelay said:

yea, but i figured people are paying for it

I couldn't have said it better. People are paying for it. And to have one user bog down a tower so bad that the other 50 people in the area that pay can't make calls or pull up the internet is not a good thing. It's all a pretty standard thing. I'm all for free internet, open source programming, and any other socialist ideal you can apply to information and technology, but the fact is that if I saw you sitting next to me running a small mainframe of computers to host some stupid Ultima Online party and I couldn't make a call.......I'd kick your ass.

just an opinion.

Hahaha I have to say that i think I never have agre...
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Animosity_Reigns said:
I feel same. I feel Verizon should offer full file transfer for the bluetooth, if not atleast block the abilty to make MP3's into ringtones and offer OBEX.

you work for verizon? 🙄 ever heard of the Nokia 6256i is has full obex.

I have army, but for info, its not full OBEX, just file transfer or known as FTP, a different version of Bluetooth but not OBEX, as far as our pda's go most have infared, but not full obex, just ftp

FTP is file transfer protocol / obex NO?
can you elaborate?

i cant explain it but perhaps this can;

"File Transfer Profile (FTP)
FTP defines how folders and files on a server device can be browsed by a client device. Once a file or location is found by the client, a file can be pulled from the server to the client, or pushed from the client to the server using GOEP. The FTP profile includes support for getting folder listings, changing to different folders, getting files, putting files and deleting files. FTP uses OBEX as a transport and is based on GOEP.

FTP also defines client and server device roles and describes the range of their responsibilities in various scenarios. For example, if a client wishes to browse the available objects on the server, it is required to support the ability to...
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exactly so concerning the Nokia 6256i is has obex if you change some setting using diego. i will let you guys get back to your advanced conversation 🙄 🤣 j/k

yea, i dont think you are getting what we are talking about.. do you?

nextel18 said:
yea, i dont think you are getting what we are talking about.. do you?

yes and i schooled you,

schooled me how? all i said was that verizon somtimes cripples some of their bluetooth capability and some of broadband use.

o is that all you said...lOLOL... ok then i schooled the other guy then...

yea. 🙂

take him to school teach!

haha! funny, i dont see how i was schooled but all i got to say is...



"It made me want to hug my verizon and apologize"


that made me laught for hours.

i didnt see where you got schooled either, i think he just got confused with what we were talking about.. just nod your head and say yes to him... lol.

Animosity_Reigns said:
haha! funny, i dont see how i was schooled but all i got to say is...



"It made me want to hug my verizon and apologize"


that made me laught for hours.

you got me bro all is fair i can take it, what can i tell you, you go try cingular and see how you feel about your verizon phone afterwards

i think you might be confused all you need to change a setting in the phone with diego.. Bingo full obex

I know that lol, there's many "cracks" out there from alot of devices (mainly vzw's)

btw, the previous post you made about the 3 year extention....thats a misprint if no one told you already,

Animosity_Reigns said:
btw, the previous post you made about the 3 year extention....thats a misprint if no one told you already,

how is it a misprint? other verizon reps have confirmed this already. explain

By law companies have to have an actual signature or over the phone confirmation, (vzw's signature capture line) for all 2 year contacts...bottom line. Otherwise its not a valid contract, and the 3 year, ive never heard of, or would put someone on, id just give em the 100 min for a reg contract extention.

The upcoming LG VX8300 (2006-02-23, s/w version: E17) is qualified for:

- AVCTP
- OBEX
- OPP-Server
- SDAP
- Serial-DevA
- Serial-DevB
- A2DP-Source
- AVDTP
- AVRCP-Target
- DUN-GW
- GAP
- GAVDP
- HandsFree-AG (1.0)
- Headset-AG
- OPP-Client

http://qualweb.bluetooth.org/Templa...&ProductID=3180 »

link no workie






p.s going to store for beer. be back in a few

http://qualweb.bluetooth.org/Template2.cfm?LinkQuali ... »

try this link