🤣 I did not say anything!

Im a cingular customer and I think the vx 9800 from verizon is the best phone out there. I thinki it bats anything any other carrier can come out with including cingular,sprint and any other carrier.

they also cripple their bluetooth and other things.. they make restrictions on the pc-cards for ev-do, sprint doesnt.

...and you just got finished telling me in the Cingular forum that Verizon's network is unparalleled.

they are, but i am talking about as a whole company... verizon only owns 55% of verizon wireless while BLS and T owns 100% of cingular and they have a bigger edge against wireline, wireless and cable companies..

boy you are very confused.

Tell me how we went from talking of Sprint and Verizon to Verizon and AT&T/Cingular?

I'm surely not the one that is confused. Read the subject line.

all i said was that verizon will face more problems because of the merger

see you make big deals out of nothing. then i talked about how sprint is good etc..

then you talked about cingular
then i explained why there could be problems.

see you make big deals out of nothing.. i just touched on it a bit.. and nothing else. then you make a big deal out of it..

When Sprint and Nextel make a compatiable phone to work on both networks they will be a company with no equal. This is my opinion

That is so true, thats what I am waiting for! After that, so long verizon!

Chris

well as i mentioned to lil wayne, a dual mode phone will be out later on this year... cdma/iden phone that uses cdma's voice and data and iden's push to talk.

as i mentioned to him also, i am not sure why more people arent interested in this phone... perhaps they wont see any improvement when using this phone when it comes to coverage.

why would you be wanting this phone?

Nextel 18, Im waiting for this dual mode phone because I actually like nextels coverage in the west coast and I aslo like the flashyness of sprints phone. Also sprints coverage isnt too bad either. Another reason is all the yound people my age 18-25 have the walkie talkie feature from netel so I will be able to push to talk and have a large group of people to use that feature for. I just think combining these two features in a phone will be the phone for me.

yea that is true.. well stay tuned in the later on this year and that phone will come out..

i think many people will get it also becuase it has cdma's voice which is extremly good and the data which is supposed to be on ev-do. (we all knwo about their ev-do) and finally iden and push to talk...


boost is supposed to have it, but not till after this year.

they actually will have a dual mode cdma/iden phone in the later on of this year.. it will allow customers to take advantage of cdma's voice and data (primary ev-do and powervision) and iden with the push to talk service..

i have been doing some surveys and questionares about this phone and i dont seem to get a big response for it..

Because if you poll the usual phonepoop user they have an idea of purpose for that phone. They know iDEN & CDMA, who owns what, where Moto fits in, etc. The average wireless subscriber has no clue of the technology, if you take the time to explain how they will benefit, maybe.

i am not talking about phonescoop users. lol. i am talking about actual heavy users of both cdma's voice and ev-do and iden.. questioning about 1,000 people about the dual mode phone... they know more then the people on here know..

trust me.. 🙂

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When Sprint and Nextel make a compatiable phone to work on both networks they will be a company with no equal. This is my opinion

The key word in that sentence is "when". I kinda like the word "if".

Sorry, what merger are you talking about?

He's a bit confused... 🤣

the bell south and T merger.

Ah yes. It almost sounded like you were referring to a VZ buyout of Vodafone as a merger. It might put some pressure on VZ corp but I don't think it will affect VZW vs. Cingy. Just like I don't think that VZW would do better as a wholly owned subsidiary of VZ corp. As a VZW employee, I hope that never happens, although I suppose it's inevitable. I think it works in our (the employee's) best interest to be stay a joint venture. Better benefits package, smaller fishbowl for achievement, not just a number to management, etc.

no i wasnt talking about verizon and vodafone during that sentence.. sorry it was vague and un clear.

well, it could affect it becuase that would mean that now bell south and T would put in more money becuase earlier, they would only be putting in a portion of money since it was a 60-40 relationship. now they can put in 100%.

i have to disagree with you on this becuase both companies when they are 1 have more power then when they are 2 and have a 60-40 relationship or 55-45 relationship.. the combined company can put more money and say into the business instead of the past where its a relationship type thing and they might not want to invest more becuase they have their core that they need to focus on.

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I can see this helping out Cingy in that if the two parent companies lay off 10's of thousands of people, that might mean potentially more $$ for Cingy, but past that, not much. It will reduce the amount of red tape to get some top-level decisions made, but I think that the forces of both bellsouth and T were pretty focussed on making Cingy prosper. I don't see any more committment because I think both parties were already heavily committed. Same goes for VZ and Vodafone. VZ is already pouring $$ into VZW and won't be pouring more in if/when VZ owns it outright. They don't share dividends (profits) with Vodafone, just value of the company. Buying out Vodafone's stake (worth billions maybe?) would only increase VZ's debt load.

interesting issues we are discussing.. lets first start off with Bellsouth and T as a combine entity. obviously as we both understand they are going to be laying off people, combining billing, combing their backbones (data, lol), and other things to create $18 Billion of synergies overtime. so this will allow them to either invest in cingular or their own landline business. before the merger they each put in a certain amount of money (60-40) into cingular but now they can put a full 100 into cingular. cingular is obviously their very big profitable business and it will be in the long term, while the landline business wont. so that means they can infuse more into cingular and to compete heavily in this marketplace. so the 100 percent ownershi...
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I don't understand. How can they put in 100 percent now when they couldn't before? Are they pulling an Alltel and spinning off the landline business? Yes there will be "synergies," and that will free up some $$ over time, but they will still have to support the same number of landline customers, the same landline network essentially. Remember that it was all Ma Bell's to begin with. There might be some backbone that can be combined, but most landline stuff runs very lean, meaning that they are running at close to operational capacity. Why overengineer when it makes you less competitive? Yes, the revenue will go into one corp instead of two, but that won't increase the total revenue generated. The combined company's revenue will be th...
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well they couldnt put in 100 percent becuase they had their own business plus they only had a 60-40 relationship so they would each put in 60-40 for capex and only receive 60-40 in revenue and income. now, since it would be 100 percent they would get 100 percent of the revenue and income and put in 100 percent for capex instead of the prior. it is a simple concept to me, perhaps my wording is making it difficult for you to understand?


would they be spinning off their wireline? i am not quite sure and they didnt mention it, but as we know both alltel and sprint are both spinning their wireline business off. will they follow suit? perhaps. i would becuase wireline wont be a growing business in the future while wireless will.


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nextel18 said:
well they couldnt put in 100 percent becuase they had their own business plus they only had a 60-40 relationship so they would each put in 60-40 for capex and only receive 60-40 in revenue and income. now, since it would be 100 percent they would get 100 percent of the revenue and income and put in 100 percent for capex instead of the prior. it is a simple concept to me, perhaps my wording is making it difficult for you to understand?

I really don't think you understand the math. 60 + 40 is not less than 100. They each supported Cingy before. Now they will both support Cingy as one company. This will not result in a greater 100 % of revenue, income, or capex. They will be able to theore...
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well cingular was owned by bell south and T and they had seperate everything with their parents.. now, they will have combined billing, and infrastructure.

my logic isnt flawed at all becuase it is true.

each company only put in a certain amount of money and got a certain amount of money becuase they had their own business. now, it will allow for more money to be infused into cingular becuase they are one company. it will allow for a better managment crew becuase it is only 1 instead of 2. they will have 100 percent control instead of a 60-40 control. instead of having 2 operations they will have one. instead of having 2 owners they will have one. so thus; it will make the operation run more efficiently and smoothly. they could also...
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so is this what you think caused alot of the problems that Cingular has had or from just poor management.

i think that was a huge reason why cingular has had a lot of problems becuase of the 2 owners, but for some reason it isnt hurting verizon wireless at all. the main reason, in my view, was as you just stated that their managment is either 1. very bad. 2. not very experienced and 3. not motivated or excited to move this company forward. the fact that they had integration problems led me to belive that their CTO and managment didnt take the time to outline every single little detail about the whole process. having 2 parents who have a big say and might not infuse a lot of money in you is a big problem. they also have differnt cultures and policies and beliefs and that would hinder a company from growing, but again look at verizon wireless it ...
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each company only put in a certain amount of money and got a certain amount of money becuase they had their own business. now, it will allow for more money to be infused into cingular becuase they are one company.

Your logic is wrong. Plain wrong. It's a zero-sum game. Same amount of cash in, same amount out. The combined companies have to support nearly the same amount of wireline overhead. The synergies stuff is the only thing that will make a difference. Sorry to be blunt, but 60 + 40 = 100. They will be putting in the same amount of funding as they did before.

From the press release about the merger as to wireless, and it appears that you have read it from your other comments:

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ok.. we will agree to disagree becuase this will just keep going back and forth.. i know my logic is correct, you dont think it is.. nothing else to discuss. how about in a few years we will see what is going to happen with cingular. 🙂

Fair

🙂

it gets old and boring when both parties say the opposite. (your wrong. no i am right)

Forgot to mention. Cingy will have the same infrastructure as before. Same network as before, same backbone. BS & T will have much the same infrastructure and network as well, as they don't compete in the same markets, not even on the nationwide level. They're still going to come out of this with some redundancy, but not much on the hardware side. I think they will be able to manage Cingy more "agilely," but not with necessarily more $$.

i think last thing on this topic from me...

everything will be one and that is the big point and big deal of this whole merger.

finally, there will be more money that will be infused becuase of this merger.

ok im done lol

Oh, and I would check the info that you have about Vodafone. I've read that Vodafone no longer gets any income from VZW. They only retain the partnership because of the value that it represents to their shares. VZ gets all the revenue. I know it sounds stupid for Vodafone to remain in the game for now, but VZ gets all the revenue.

And from what I've heard, VZW doesn't want to buy Alltel or Qwest. No enough return on the $$. MCI was a bargain and also had a customer list that was worth it's weight in gold.

OK, I misunderstood. From the NY Times article about VZ possibly buying out Vodafone's stake.

After April 2005, Verizon was no longer obligated under the Verizon Wireless agreement to pay Vodafone a semiannual dividend worth about $500 million.

But earlier,

Verizon has already said it wants to buy out Vodafone, which owns 45 percent of Verizon Wireless. But while taking full control of the wireless division would allow Verizon to include all the profits from its mobile phone division on its income statements, some investors say that Verizon would be smarter to sit tight, at least for now.

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yep, very sad 🤣

now that is on the phone system...

i also have the pc-card using their power vision and i compared it to verizon's and sprint's destroys them. in addition, they, verizon actually restrics some content and other things, while sprint doesnt.. that is even more sad.. customers pay $60+/month and they have to have restrictions? that isnt right.

that is true. i bought the LG VX9800 and it has problems holding a single on the EV-DO network. I probably should have tried out Sprint but I had a bad experience with them a few years ago. Have they improved alot?

yes.. sprint is very well when it comes to powervision and ev-do... that system is amazing.. in fact we signed up 250,000 people within 60days of the release..

you could always try and if it doesnt fit your needs you can always stick with vzw.

wow, that is very sad, glad I'm 'OUT' 🤣
Sprint is so much better

Lucky you. The worst thing is that my bill went from around 65 to 75 bucks to averaging 156 bucks my first 3 months. I am seriously considering cutting my loses and move on. I mean the phone is great but its not that good.

id see that movie.. TWICE. 😁

What is the sero plan, I think i heard you say that you had it cellenator...can anyone get this plan, or do you have to work for a specific company or have some connections...let me know if you can, thanks


Chris

you have to be a new sprint customer or port,

www.sprint.com/sero peep the plans they cant be touched, free vision, if you're interested let me know, I can provide you with sprint addy, and other tips for even getting more

can you combine it with other discounts? I get a 22% discount for working with kraft foods (only 10% from vzn...and how long do the great deals last? Can you keep re-uping at the sero rates? Thanks and I will check out that website

Chris

from what I understand its sero for life, unless you make the change voluntarily yourself, just like all carriers. I have no clue about krafts foods, but yes discounts are allowed with the sero program.

yeah im interested for sure. Do you have a sprint email i could use to access the website. You have to input a sprint employee email address and a zipcode.

Chris

I emailed it to you...enjoy

Thanks for the email...i checked out the website. Prety ridiculous plans, way better than what I have with vzn. Couple of questions for youL:

1. Are those 4 phones the only phone options?
2. Can you add insurance?
3. Do you have to buy online to get into the sero rates?

sorry for all the questions, but you have really been a big help.

chris

NP, yep I have the 1250min+Vision+Extras for 50 bucks can’t beat that.

Question 1

Yes, and it changes from time to time. At first the Blade wasn’t available in my zip, waited a few weeks and there it was one day. And you have to keep that phone connected for six months, then after that do as you will.

Question 2

Yes, you'll have to make a separate call to CS later though

Question 3

Yes you have to buy online for the sero program/ or call, you can’t just walk into a sprint store

Ok, You silly Brokebacks(cellenator and cw)go back to your sprint room! 🤣

CW, You don't work for Kraft, you work for Altria (your parent company) and you are eligible for a greater discount. Go to www.verizonwireless.com/ryl and click the link to the PDF. Fill out the for accordingly, you must send a work ID or a pay check (just cover the financials). Fax it to 800-711-7788 and you'll get a confirmation within about 5 days. I am certain that it is upper teens to 20ish percent (don't quote me on exacts).

Just thought I'd share.

LOL, it still boils down to good old voice for me, who gives a fig about all that Vision crap if my wife cant reach me I'm in trouble. I just need service I can count on, and verizon steps up.

Very well put. Verizon has the best network so sprint is not better!!!!!!!!!

That best network phrase is very overrated. I switched to Verizon in December and I can't wait till Cingular releases HSDPA phones. I am out. Im tired of half assed service and a cell phone bill that has tripled. Verizon is okay, but here in TX, LA, MS, AL, & FL, everybody seems to be better than them. I had to learn this the hard way and will have to eat the 175 fee. I guess it just depends on where you are. Verizon might be the best where you are but not everywhere else.

I have had both verizon and sprint. I can say without a doubt that sprint is way better than verizon. I have no idea why people say sprint does not work in buildings. When I had verizon they never worked in malls or any of the buildings. Plus the voice quality is much better than that of verizon. I will not even get into how vision is much better and they don't cripple their bluetooth.

Go Sprint.

🙂

🤣 way better

Yo Nextel can I get some clarification on this post. You say nextel will bring over their 800mhz and add it onto sprints existing towers. I'm I understanding this correctly? And if so will your only option as a sprint customer be to buy a PTT phone that can use both 1.9, 800? or how will that work? And if nextel adds 800mhz to sprint existing towers where will the remaining 800mhz come from so they can cover all sprints towers. Yes I'm confused 😁 Thanks

yo yo yo, lol sorry, i had to do that...

perhaps let me tell you what would happen with this situation, becuase it would be easier to understand if i told you from the beginning.

this process is on going and they are continuing in some areas are starting to put cdma infrastructure on iden towers and vice versa. this year, they are going to launch a dual mode phone 800mhz(smr. iden)/1.9ghz (cdma) that will allow the user to use iden's push to talk system and use cdma's voice and data on one handset. (i can not tell you about all the features of this phone) after rev A will be finalized onto sprint's ev-do network which would be the end of 2007, which will allow qchat to come onto the network in 2008. qchat, is the push to talk solution ...
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yo Nextel 🤣 thank you

So with all this spectrum and the added Nextel towers why is it thats sprints native coverage seems so small with more roaming then native coverage? (certainly allot smaller then verizon) I realize all carriers have roaming agreements but it seems to me that Sprint seems not to be to concerned with expanding their native coverage. I'm I wrong? and if so what are their plans to expand native coverage.
thanks

yo yo.. lol.

well, it is just comparing right now, sprint's cdma to verizon's cdma, becuase the nextel's spectrum isnt in a contig band yet that is acceptable for cdma use. in my view, i think it is a very similiar coverage area between verizon and sprint, becuase they both roam either onto each other or their affiliates, however, it may seem like verizon is strongly becuase quite frankly, they are. the reason for that is becuase of the differnt spectrum bands that they have. verizon having 800mhz and sprint having 1.9ghz. granted now, verizon has 800mhz/1.9ghz but they have it on dual mode so it would be more powerful. (or should be) if you put 10 towers on 1.9ghz in an area you would only need around 5 towers on 800mhz (depending on th...
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Cool beans that clears things up for me, thanks Nextel you are always so willing to help. 🙂

i know.. lol.

wait.. you go from saying "yo yo" to "cool beans" lol. hmmm

i think these types of threads should go into their right place.. like this thread is about sprint, i think it should stay in sprint not in verizon.. or if you are talking about all the carriers or what not it should go under general or what not..

"actually they do have pretty good coverage everywhere."

No they don't. Try to use a Sprint phone in Wyoming. I dare you.

Who lives in Wyoming? There are more people in West Houston than the whole state. 🤣

That's not the point. He said they have coverage everywhere. I pointed out a whole state where they don't.

P.S. I live in Wyoming. I know every one of the other 5 people that live here with me.

😳

It snowed really bad today, so I had to stable my horses and walk to work. ☹️

i said they have good coverage on a nationwide scale, i am not talking about your individual market. it will obviously vary with each market and each carrier.

verizon, in my area, is horrible, but sprint is very good. that just shows it differs in every area.

"actually they do have pretty good coverage everywhere."

You said they have good coverage everywhere. I was just pointing out that they don't.

He got you there, nextel18. I agree that Sprint's coverage is better in some places than VZ's, and that they have a pretty good overall network, from a nationwide perspective. But you didn't say that.

sorry, everywhere is probably a bad word to use, becuase not one carrier is good in every market nationwide. in many areas verizon is better then sprint, and vice versa.

Verizon has some coverage in every state...which is more than Sprint can say. 🙂

sprint has some coverage in each state, but again it differs. sprint likes to go after the wealthier people/areas, while verizon doesnt seem to care that much. (thats based on arpu. and trends that i have on each carrier with regards to mhz and subscribers) they both roam off of each other especially on the phones and devices that are 800/1.9ghz. thats why their network together is huge. they roam off their affilates first then each other, and that is why you see dual band devices.

Apparently you missed that Sprint doesn't have coverage in Wyoming.

i dont blame sprint not for going or having any coverage in wyoming becuase there are only about 600,000 people there. not a very good market to get into and even Cheyenne is small.

verizon, according to their map doesnt cover them a lot either.

so as mentioned it varies in each market and it depends on how many people are there and what the other demographics are. where the most populated areas are and wealthier are the more attention they will get, the less populared areas and less wealther the fewer attention they will get...

for example, mass or nyc.= both do well covering the 2 states, but look at Wyoming, it looks like they dont cover that well.

its just life. 🙂

Hence my post:


Verizon has some coverage in every state...which is more than Sprint can say. 🙂

At least Verizon cares about getting cell phones to those half million people. They don't oppress people just because of the state they live in. I don't think I could support any cell phone carrier that oppresses people.

well sprint has some coverage in that area, just not a lot...

the problem with trying to put in more towers of 1.9ghz could get problamtic than putting in 800mhz towers becuase its better when its 800mhz with range and in-building coverage than 1.9ghz. if i was a business person, i would also not go into any area that doesnt have a lot of people and not a main priority. verizon offers service to people who pays for their cell phone bill but not that high against sprint. (arpu trends would lean towards that) they dont oppress people becuase it is more of an roic return or not and that is the main scope of business. if there is not an incentive to go into there and market and lay infrastructure down they wont go in. it isnt just the wireles...
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There are two companies that have towers/coverage in Wyoming, and I can assure you that Sprint is not one of them. They have no coverage in the entire state.

As for the business/oppression thing...I know. I was kidding.

what are the two companies if you dont mind me asking? again sprint does cover some areas but it isnt a lot. i will check my tower database for wyoming to determine the exact towers in that area. (i wont say the exact number/s)

ok.. its ok to kid. 🙂

(i hope that comment by both of us doesnt offend anyone.. if it does we are truly very sorry)

Verizon and Alltel are the only carriers that have towers here. I was working at Radio Shack (which, as you probably know, carried Verizon and Sprint up until the new year) for a long time. I transferred to a store in Wyoming from Arizona, and they didn't sell Sprint. Why? Sprint has no towers in Wyoming and is unable to supply people with local numbers. That's why the Radio Shack in my town is currently carrying Alltel instead of Cingular as well. Cingular doesn't have towers here, and they're unable to supply people with local numbers...therefore no one can sell them.

yea, alltel, which i have shares in, is a big player in the rural areas and they tend to focus more on markets who arent that big, although with their recent purchases and roaming agreements they have increased their footprint quite nicely. well, i would figure sprint would do some kinda roaming agreement with verizon, or start to be in that area (i havnt checked the database yet for that confirmation) but it seems like they havnt (according to you). this tells us 2 things a. they dont want to pay for raoming becuase they wont get an roic and b. they wont invest millions of dollars with infrasructure (towers) in that area becuase they wont seek an roic..

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Building towers in a new state is expensive with the licensing from the FCC and whatnot. Since Verizon pretty much has a monopoly right now (Alltel is here, but nobody cares because everyone hated CellularOne...which was bought out by Alltel), it would be hard for a new company to come in anyway. It'll happen eventually, I'm sure, but I don't think the population is big enough for other major players to move in and spend that much money to split 600,000 people in competition...especially when a lot of those people are hell bent on Verizon as it is.

building towers everywhere is expensive and time consuming becuase first you have to get the location then get the neccessary spectrum for that area. next you have to ask the town's boards for the ok, but many times the board will actually say no to the board and we see a lot of appeals and lawsuits over this.. people say radiation, but that isnt proving, anyway everything produces radiation. i mean microwaves and tvs give off the most and millions of people have them.. oh well. that is why i dont like when people complain about coverage problems.. they should realize its a 2 way street. it costs about $250,000 for each tower being built and then put on their network and additional cost for maintence and other fees. in my view, i have read s...
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I think about the only thing they could do would be to offer to help pay for the towers and whatnot. I don't think that's going to happen because there is not a monopoly in the area. Alltel is here, even though nobody uses it. If there was only one company, I could see the FCC trying to move other providers into the area.

But, like you said, getting towers up is really expensive. When you have such a limited population over such a large piece of land, it's hard to justify taking the appropriate steps to start covering the area...especially when a lot of would-be customers are already in contract with someone else.

But...

Verizon has coverage in all states. 😁

i agree with your first and 2nd paragprahs, but not the 3rd statement.. (lol)

by the way check out this company who actually does the ballons with wi-fi freq...

http://www.spacedata.net/ »
(i have no investments with these guys but i am thinking i might want to invest.. pretty interesting technology.. could threaten the tower industry)

"To cover every square mile of North Dakota, it would take 1,100 cell towers," Schafer said. "We can do the whole state with three balloons."

WOW!!! (1,100 towers at $250,000ea= $275million.) (3 balloons at $60ea= $180) wow what a big differnce huh.

i think this is the next thing if this will be successful and the carrier who tests it in a few weeks from now will become successful. WATCH OUT!
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