Join the club. After my name and account info got posted publically STOPVZW.COM will definately go online soon.

-DK

I actually respected you and your post.... until I read this. "crap" -isn't that what second graders say when they are forced to take a time out!!! GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is some through. on TIMEOUT.

http://www.wholefamily.com/aboutyourkids/child/time_ ... »

"The initial concept called time out was designed for use with toddlers and young children whose behavior was clearly unacceptable (yelling, hitting, etc). The idea was to tell the child that what he had done was unacceptable, and to have him sit in an area, alone. This was to be seen as punishment for the negative behavior. The amount of time that the child had to sit alone was announced and he was expected to "serve the sentence" in full. Sometimes children were actually held down in their seats until they literally served their time.

Does This Kind Of Time Out Work?

Practitioners who advised it soon discovered one of the pitfalls o...
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I am going to ignore your concern over the use of a term that clearly represent my thoughts on VZW services that cage people in.

You can vote with your feet or, in this case, your wallet and leave. NO ONE is forcing you to stay with VZW. If you don't like what they have to offer, pay the ETF if you are still in contract. If out of contract and on a month to month cancel the service and leave.

You see that is the Milton Friedman answer to competition stop using it and they will change to make you happy and come back. Problem, how in the world is VZW to know why I leave, even if I tell their customer service reps my reason, because of their business structure, will ignore it and move on their next call. VZW business model is not about listening to their customers, which is the problem in the first place, but instead they like to corner their customers and force them to only see what they want them to see, seems a little facist to me, but I guess that is the way of the business world.

Not true, you can ask them specifically to NOTE the account as to why you are leaving.

(This will be a statistic) - but at some point someone in the orgranization will take a look at reasons why people stopped service and why.

(Every provider looks at these numbers) - If a significant amount of people left for a particular reason, and its not costly they'll adjust it.

However if they've only lost 50 customers for that reason then there is no need to spend another $100,000 on adjusting anything. Why fix something thats not broken (so to say.....)

But in any good beuracracy this will happen way later when those reasons may not even be applicable anymore (e.g. artificial lock-in, Motorola v710), and then it will just quietly be c...
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That is every cell phone company. If you switched I have news for you, your new cell phone company modeled itself after verizon.

verizion's main intent is coverage. features are optional. thats where cingular and sprint make customers like you happy. just remember next time you go cellphone shopping dont follow the boat and go where everyone else is going do research and homework before choosing a carrier. 😎

that is a bit of a defeatest attitude, remind me to keep on my bench if I want the to accept the status quo and never look forward. Verizon does not have a contract with GIN, they own it, they run it, they control it. The complaints mentioned here if actually followed would benefit Verizon, with the one thing different they won't make as big a profit, but in fact they are gaining nothing form me in the form of purchasing GIN or anymore of their crap. In fact I am going to cancel the Mobile web cause of the fact that they charge you airtime to use it on top of the monthly $5 charge, that's like paying for AOL and having to pay more to connect. Have no fear I will be leaving Verizon, just not yet, but I figure I might as well try to get th...
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🤣 Please tell me where you got your info from. Anyone else on this board have info on GIN? Just so you know, saying your going to leave and then make comments to the fact of how Verizon should try to keep you and then you're going to leave anyways, doesn't really make anyone want to keep you in the first place. Give me what I want or I'll leave, I think they'll let you leave and keep their profits.

This is Verizons answer for everything "If you don't like it, leave" For once I'd like someone to tell me why I should spend $15 a month on V-Cast, or $5.00 on Mobile Web or $1.99 for a ringtone. At least the other companies know it's a scam and don't force me to pay for it.

unforunately the answer will be because Verizon needs to make a profit to further make a profit on top of the profits that they make and then to top that off they have use those profits to fight off unions to represent the workers who are over exploited and underpaid, while all other areas of Verizon (nix the wireless part) are union. Verizon Wireless is the highest profiting part of Verizon and all the money goes towards gaining more from their locked in customers.

Actually the profits from Verizon's wired systems paid for the wireless system originally (this was in a report by Barrows) and now Verizon seems to be taking the profits from its now functional wireless system and reinvesting into fiber-optic lines directly to the premise (many cable companies claim fiber-optic networks, but only go to local network hubs where the signal is then placed onto the older wired systems). Question though, why is it that profit is deemed such an evil thing around here? They're obviously not a non-profit organization, so why get so upset over a company posting a profit? If you have a job, I guarantee your company is trying to maximize its profits on a daily basis. Maybe you should take a cut in pay to give your...
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Verizon pays more than a skilled tech job in my area and it's done with out a union. You say we are under appreciated too... I get as good or better benefits than anyone I know. A friend of mine has worked for Boeing for 25 years and has roughly the same health coverage I have had since day 1. A friend of mine will be having semi-elective surgery in a month and will be unable to work for 4-5 weeks but he'll get full pay the whole time as well as most of the surgery being paid for.

By the way, Verizon Wireless and Verizon Communications are not the same company. By your reasoning then Verizon Wireless and Vodafone are the same too then. That would make VZW the largest communication company in the world.

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I am sorry to hear that you hate the union, which union and what state? I am not even going to go into that....apparently you trust an economy that is more racists, sexists, prejudice than the south was before the civil war. Ignorance is bliss...think about the power your boss has over you....if you don't think they do, then you are only kidding yourself. Don't diss a union cause all you are doing is ripping rights away from yourself. Workers always have the power they just don't realize most of the time the boss is laughing from the golf course while you answer their phone calls for them.

Secondly, those health benefits can be taken from you faster than a sneeze....secondly you can at the moment be fired for sneezing and your boss do...
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jthom326 said:
For once I'd like someone to tell me why I should spend $15 a month on V-Cast, or $5.00 on Mobile Web or $1.99 for a ringtone. At least the other companies know it's a scam and don't force me to pay for it.

Okay, don't spend $15 a month on V-Cast, or $5.00 on Mobile Web of $1.99 on a ringtone. There's nothing in your contract that requires you to. Their addead features. Luxury items that make using a cell phone a little more fun. I'm sorry their not free. Wait, no I'm not.

True, but there lies the trick of it all. By charging it to your cell bill, you may not initially refute the charges and therefore the company that delivers "premium" messages gets their money and the customer may never know who is exactly charging them. Six in one hand, half dozen in the other. The grass is always greener...

exactly, these phones do not cost $300 cost $100, they create an inflated "retail" price and the company sells them for $50. A Customer who needs a replacement already paid for his subsidized phone's cost.

If you think the cost is inflated, please call Motorola right now and try to buy a razor for less than $400 and post a scan of the invoice or price quote.

Somewhat inflated. 3'd partly dealers though don't get the pricebreaks that VZW sure can.

VZW has "BUYERS" that make "DEALS" with MFGS.
Then on the retail side it could be +/- $100 USD.

This is still very different from the $200+ difference the person I was responding to was claiming though. Even then, I don't think Verizon marks the phone up that much

I tried to start a store with another gent a bit of time ago. (Decided not to) It would put us into 3'd party vendor.

From what I know, no-one knows the buy price on the units, esp something like VZW that you cannot buy _GREY MARKET_.

From what I also gathered the profit margin items are listed in order.

1. Accesorries (chargest, plates,headsets jabra..)
2. Insurance
3. Multi Line Long Term Activations.
4. Activations (with any carrier)
5. User requested (and sometimes illegal) phone customizations (I.E. can you transfer my ringtones/phonebook for 15 bux?)

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alejandro said:
exactly, these phones do not cost $300 cost $100, they create an inflated "retail" price and the company sells them for $50. A Customer who needs a replacement already paid for his subsidized phone's cost.

Hate to break this to everyone... But, Verizon is making a profit on the phones... Not at the new subscriber price.. But they are at the Retail and NE2 price.. Even at 25% off... And, let's not forget about rebates... If we sell 'x' number of phones, the cost is actually even less... Due to agreements, this is why the phone price is high... Ever wonder why the price drops by over 50% in the 1st year... Quick profit...

SystemShock said:

turbodeuce said:
They have the best reputation in wireless and the amount of people that are willing to cancel over this is so small compared to their extra revenue.

I'm sure that's the calculation they made, anyway. ☹️

Its still not very smart though.. the kind of people they are pissing off with this kind of stuff are the exact demographic they want to attract.. young, urban, techie. The kind of people who talk lots and who buy a new phone every year 'just to keep up to date'. And who are far more interested than the general population in things like 3G services, high-speed data, etc. All things Verizon desperately wants to sell.

Short-term, I have no doubt the

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SForsyth01 said:

SystemShock said:

turbodeuce said:
They have the best reputation in wireless and the amount of people that are willing to cancel over this is so small compared to their extra revenue.

I'm sure that's the calculation they made, anyway. ☹️

Its still not very smart though.. the kind of people they are pissing off with this kind of stuff are the exact demographic they want to attract.. young, urban, techie. The kind of people who talk lots and who buy a new phone every year 'just to keep up to date'. And who are far more interested than the general population in things like 3G services, high-speed data, etc. All things Verizon desperately wants to sell

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SystemShock said:

SForsyth01 said:

SystemShock said:

turbodeuce said:
They have the best reputation in wireless and the amount of people that are willing to cancel over this is so small compared to their extra revenue.

I'm sure that's the calculation they made, anyway. ☹️

Its still not very smart though.. the kind of people they are pissing off with this kind of stuff are the exact demographic they want to attract.. young, urban, techie. The kind of people who talk lots and who buy a new phone every year 'just to keep up to date'. And who are far more interested than the general population in things like 3G services, high-speed data, etc. All th

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There are some people you just can't make happy 😛

And....I'm sure you and the other 13 signatures on that petition with names such as Dumb Country Phuk, Ben Tover, Muff Diver,and my personal favorite, Harry paratesties, will be looked at seriously. You might want to have that petition corrected before you hand it in to anyone of importance. Also...It's Verizon Wireless..not Verizonwireless.

What about Haywood Jeblome? Did he sign?

Mary424 said:
What about Haywood Jeblome? Did he sign?

Not to mention Phuc Yu Anyumamatu.

🤣 Wow, I haven't laughed that hard in awhile.

SystemShock said:

Mary424 said:
What about Haywood Jeblome? Did he sign?

Not to mention Phuc Yu Anyumamatu.

Don't forget to include Sharon Peters.

Hey, is it true that one fake signature on a petition can completely ruin the petition? A buddy of mine was telling me about that and I thought that would kinda suck if it was a petition that actually mattered. Course, I'm sure a REAL petition wouldn't just be on the internet I suppose. Oh well, food for thought.

Is that Rusty Peters sister?

I've also heard there a a lot of people over seas that would like to add there names if they can. They are:
M'BALZ ES-HARI
GRAABIR BOUBI
HAID D'SALAAMI
HOUS BIN PHARTEEN
I-BIN PHARTEEN
I ZHEET M'DRURZ
SHAIF HIRBOUSH
AL-SUQ AKWEER
MUSTAF HEROD APYUR POUPR
AWAN AFUQYA
YUL STROKHEET AL-WAUCH
APUL MADEEK-AOUD
YULIQU M'DIQ
UWANA M'DIQ
USUQA M'DIQ

Mary424 said:
I've also heard there a a lot of people over seas that would like to add there names if they can. They are:
M'BALZ ES-HARI
GRAABIR BOUBI
HAID D'SALAAMI
HOUS BIN PHARTEEN
I-BIN PHARTEEN
I ZHEET M'DRURZ
SHAIF HIRBOUSH
AL-SUQ AKWEER
MUSTAF HEROD APYUR POUPR
AWAN AFUQYA
YUL STROKHEET AL-WAUCH
APUL MADEEK-AOUD
YULIQU M'DIQ
UWANA M'DIQ
USUQA M'DIQ

You are too much....I love it.

I saw that SNL skit, it was GREAT, I couldn't stop laughing.

🤣 Ok, that actually hurt. Thanks for the giggles.

Thought everyone needed an extra laugh to lighten things up on here!

Note: Getting a virus on your phone...no biggie, but then why would it be called a virus if others couldn't catch it? Suddenly everyone you call gets the same virus and then the network starts to crash and you'd be the first one screaming about how Verizon's network sucks. Maybe you know what you're doing, maybe not, but there's a reason hair-dryers have a warning label stating "Do not use while showering". Ever wonder why? Probably cause some moron that they'd shave a few minutes in the morning and got killed. Then some lawyer decided to sue the manufacturer for not placing a warning label on their product, got a big settlement for the moron's family and now we see the labels. Millions of people use cell phones in this country and I'...
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Well I happen to work in the computer field and by business is also a local internet provider. AOL or any Internet provider really have no control over your computer. They can't change the operating system. The operating system and limitations can only be put in place by Microsoft. Windows and Microsoft products are not made by the computer manufacturer but they can sure limit what you can and can't do.

I think that is the same as the phone. You have the manufacturer and then you have the service provider. In this case the phone is made for the service provider. They service provider also specifies what they want in the software and what they want it to do. Basically I look at the phone manufacturer like the computer manufacturer ...
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In this case it is so clear that Nokia is both manufacturer and the software creator which is more like an Apple, they own and develop the OS and they own and develop the computer, again Verizon is the service provider not the creator...except they do manipulate the phone to not do certain things. I don't care if you work in the computer field, but you prove the point if you think about verizon as the provider, which is what they are called. How is this so hard to understand?

🤣 Not hard to understand, just your refusal to actually apply any of the information other people have given you. Whenever anyone seems to give you an answer you don't like (ie. explaining why you're wrong) you assume their a moron and knock 'em down. Think of it this way, you have a phone but the phone is of no use without a service provider (ok, maybe mp3 player, camera, etc. will work, but if you're just using the phone for those purposes you'd save yourself a lot of time and money getting those devices alone instead). Since your phone is connected to a service provider all the time, you'd think the provider might have a say as to how you actually use their service. There's a reason you use minutes only during peak hours. If you...
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wow...so you are saying that you are a conformist, I feel as though you would never challenge the status quo, but in fact you would uphold it and embrace it as if it is the greatest thing in the world. Well then let me try it a different angle, you as a consumer have the right to own a product, and to do with it what you wish, simple property right, except here it is not the government that are infringing on your rights, instead it is a company. Not sure if your state ever had the law, but back in the 1990s cable companies in states such as NJ could not send a bullet through the network to knock off the black boxes, cause it was seen as breaking and entering private property. I own this phone, it is mine, and under the rule of private prop...
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Once again, you argue a mute point. Verizon's service is not a free market ant the fact that your phone uses their network allows them to restrict however they want. It's in your terms of service, which I've doubt you read. Breaking the status quo is fine, but your under the belief that as a consumer you dictate how businesses serve you. You can, by choosing which services you wish to pay for. You signed the ToS and now wish to change how that service is provided. The phone is yours, yes, but your service plan requires the phone to be accepted by Verizon. Read the ToS on your contract.

Do you complain about iPods also? They only let you play certain file types, they won't play all types of digital music files.

Here's the thing, when you buy the phone, if you did your research properly, you should know the limitations of it. Here's the other thing, IT'S A CELL PHONE. Playing games, taking pictures, sending e-mails (text messages) are nice features, but I have other devices for performing those same functions a lot better. Computers play games and send e-mails a lot better than a cell phone, I have a digital camera for taking pictures, and I can transfer them off the camera for FREE. I buy a cell phone for its ability to make and receive phone calls, that's why I have it. It just so happens that the phone I wanted h...
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Do you complain about iPods also? They only let you play certain file types, they won't play all types of digital music files.

Apple + Artificial Vendor Lock-in (AAC) = GUILTY
Microsoft + Artifical Vendor Lock-in (WMA)= GUILTY
Qualcomm + Artifical Vendor Lock-in (CDMA/BREW) = GUILTY

Here's the thing, when you buy the phone, if you did your research properly, you should know the limitations of it.

Google for "v710 settlement".

All small devices are in some way computers (small computers not PC's per-se, not Intel based per-se but computes, and run software)


Artifical Vendor Lock-in = Rich A** Vendor.
(nice anology about the Camera)

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good job!

You mention the V710 lawsuit. That's been settled and VZW CLEARLY states on all BT phones what the extent of BT capability is for that phone. They did on my E815. With proper research, you'll see those disclaimers.

Why do you mention Dell, IBM, Compaq and Phoenix BIOS as having vendor lock-in? Is it because you can't overclock a system built by one of these companies? That's done for a very GOOD REASON! They warranty those computers, and provide support for them. Should someone OC their computer, they don't want to have to troubleshoot and repair a hardware problem CAUSED BY THE CONSUMER doing something that's UNSUPPORTED. If you intended that they lock you in to the hardware by using proprietary components, I can see the point, t...
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I own a Dell computer and have never purchased an upgrade from them and my computer works perfectly. I've gotten another 512MB of RAM, upgraded the video card twice, OEM MX440->FX5600->6800GT, upgraded the power supply (due to the 6800GT), added a hard drive w/ SCSI controller, replaced the fan and added a speed control, and changed out the sound system.

Dell has sent me a new copy of XP when I lost mine and a box of cables to replace ONE that I broke. None of this was done under warranty and all I did was call and ask, even offered to pay but it was all free.

Very Of Topic Now:

But whats the model name of your machine?

I've tricked out a SC600 server, a Dell Precision 470 Workstation and two 1750's. No problems there in the recent.

Though Certain Dell boxes shipped with a non standard PSU most are ATX spec.

I've gotten another 512MB of RAM

(sidenotes on your post)
Mixing different ram in a machine is bad news.
Dell typically ships Infeneon or Micron.

Usu. youd want modules that are identical from the same MFG and same batch of same size and spec.

Does your machine have the 3 PIN black molex clip FAN connectors with the Ground and Tach reversed? Or the standard 3 PIN ones for the fans? Or was the fan you added wired into the PSU not the mobo?

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I have a Dimension 8250.

I did get the same brand of RAM.. Samsung RDRAM running at 1.6 Ghz. It cost a fortune to upgrade so I'm going to stick it out with this machine for another year hopefully.

Replacing the psu was interesting because their psu was basically upside down or something and a new one didn't really just bolt on. A dremel fixed that.

The original fan was attached to the case and had a cowling that drew air over the cpu. that fan lost a bearing and made a ton of noise so I just bought a standard replacement. The original one looked like the one pictured with the plug that went to the mobo. The new one didn't have that so now every time I boot it says there was a previous fan failure but you just press F1 and away it go...
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Here is the part number from Digikey for the 3 pin clip plug and crimp connectors. Remmember Ground and Tach is reveresed on Dell computers.

http://www.digikey.com/ »
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WM2901-ND (Plug) 0.70 USD
WM2511-ND (Crim Pins) 0.099 USD (must get atleast 10)
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I found this on another BBS when modding the sc600 and not wanting to get what you got (SystemFan Missing BIOS errors) sc600 has 3 or 4. 😁

I could never figure out why Dell put those connectors on the fans, they said its to prevent the connector from falling out during shipping of the machine.

And I certainly could never figure out why the reversed the fan circuits.


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I knew it was more expensive, I just hadn't planned on needing to upgrade and having it be $240 for 512MB. I don't think it makes much of a difference either. Poor choice at purchase but live and learn I guess.

If I got those parts, would that make a shunt or something to prevent those errors? It's a little bothersome but I only reboot once a week or two anyway so it doesn't hold me up that much.

I used them to connect fans or supply for fans, I also put a Zalman fan controller inbetween.

Plugging up the fan connector on the mobo is a bad idea, you can wire in a resistor that shows theres something between (ground) and (+) but I would not suggest doing that - since theres also (tach). So I would not recommend making a shunt. Even though its possible.

I would suggest usinging it for fan power, most of these connectors also try to control fan speed based on thermal measurements. Fan right to the PSU will spin at a very static speed, unless you get one of those fan-controllers (which are just variable resistors inline.) If you supply them with power from that feature connector, the bios will report the fan spin speed correctly eve...
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I guess you totaly missed the "Bluetooth PR Machine article Circa 2005"

Where the Bluetooth ppl, cited BT testing with of VZW v710 in BT Equipped Vehicles that VZW had conducted to provide "Compatibility" matrix of Vehicles and the v710 phone. Good intent was there I am certain and prob the people conducting these tests lost their jobs.

You mention the V710 lawsuit. That's been settled and VZW CLEARLY states on all BT phones what the extent of BT capability is for that phone. They did on my E815. With proper research, you'll see those disclaimers.

It only took a tiny, insignificant, small, almost invisible, "CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT" for them to start doing this.

Why do you mention Dell,

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Ah so pete, you are a verizon wireless worker, that would explain your reason for supporting such a crappy company, just because you have the best voice coverage doesn't make your service the better one to use. Cause everyone knows that Microsoft Windows is probably one of the worst OS out there, however, it sold and that is all they care about.

However, the fact that you work for verizon raises another issue. Specifically, do you think you as a worker should have any say in how the company is run?

I give up! You win, go dance around your cubicle and praise yourself for such excellent skills of debate. I don't care anymore. Cry to someone who cares. Have a nice day! 😁

Actually you know what I don't win, because my concern is really the last question I asked, and I know what the answer is, which very unfortunate.

You are a worker you are selling your labor to Verizon for a probably under appreciated price and probably are expected to make more through commissions or something along those lines. When Verizon Executives make a decision you have to abide by it and sell their new product. However, I bet and I would put money on it if I was the betting type, but more often than not you probably disagreed with the decisions made by Verizon Executives, they may spoil you with a discount of service, but with them not even giving a way to voice your opinion, although they probably have some employee circles ...
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Thanks. I think you have some great ideas, but unfortunately they also fall under more Communist ideals than anything else. I don't work directly for Verizon, so I just sell their plans and get paid (still very little) for the commissions. Oh well, it'd be nice if everyone could share, but alas, we haven't reached that point in humanity yet. Everybody wants the most pay, the least bills, and everything else for free, whether your a customer, an employee, a CEO, or a stock holder. Unions want more money, companies want less overhead, customers want minimal cost, and stock holders want maximum profits. Everybody gets pulled around until somebody finally freaks out. Unfortunately, that's usually located where I work and occurs when I'm w...
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As a Union worker myself (not wireless industry) I have to say that most Unions now are just as bad as corporations. It's all about money.
Back in the glory days of the old coal mines and the early auto industry they were formed to give workers a fair wage, benefits, and improved safety. Now they are about the pockets of those who run them.

There is nothing wrong with Verizon's service. I have Cingular too and I can tell you this, Verizon has much better service and customer service in my opinion, i STILL havent been able to get my voicemail set up on my Cingular phone and I have had it for 5 months. Oh well.

Long live Verizon. Long live the king.

well unfortunately your perception on unions is a bit biased...Unions were never as bad as corporations, I would take a corrupted union workplace over a non union workplace any day, at least there is a system to have your voice heard. Teamsters had a problem, and to resolve it Teamsters for Democratic Union was formed (TDU) to get rid of that rifraff, they did it, but even then the members under a corrupt leader still had the local power to look out for their members. It's about the money and the fact that real wages across the nation included all position outside of executives have not gon up in over 30 years (http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/ declining_real.html) but no one wants to believe that, however it is true...and in tho...
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ok...if I may chime in, I've read all the posts on this topic. Manhoodlum....you have some good points, and some bad. Basically I can see that you are voicing your opinion in the hopes that "someone" will wake up and pay attention to your ideals....trust me I understand you. I feel the same way about some of the things you've covered....unions, etc....however, this all started because of how verizon "wronged" you. Cmon man...if you hold a grudge that huge, doesn't that take away from something else you could be doing? As in possibly starting your own wireless company? It's one thing to sit back and complain and be like "this should be this way and that should be that" and it's another to actually do something about it. Listen...I'm a "techn...
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Please! 🤣

Everybody gets pulled around until somebody finally freaks out. Unfortunately, that's usually located where I work and occurs when I'm working

pete1660: I don't think you work for the U.S. Post office do you? 😁

I honestly think that guy may have been justified in his efforts....especially if he worked for a company where if you stand up for what is right, you get let go, but if you back down and take it, it drives you to tbe brink of insanity....to the point where you walk in one day and just off people....if only I knew what was in that man's head when he got up that fateful morning.....

Agreed 100% Big Rich Corporate America Cares Less about one type of people - people, plebians, lower class to uppder middle class.

1. Consumer
2. Customer Service (Their Own)
3. Labor (Their Own)
4. Sales (Their Own)
5. Back Office

(the list goes on)

Why?

There's alot of them and they're "replaceable" - people that is...

Funnies thing is in this forum I see the people
"doning the clash of titans" - while some "RICH A** CTO/CFO" sits back in chair with his marketting and FOB programmers smoking a COHEBA that he obtained illegally.

Big Rich Corporate America has been laying off,
factory workers, customer support, tweaking unions. They've been not sending commission checks, bonuses or other things.

Their back-off...
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Boy...you sure do hate alot. If you hate a capitalistic market...go to Cuba.

🤣 Thankfully no. But given my occupation, I probably am not that far away from going postal anyways. Thanks for the giggle though.

It's all about big profit... And locking the customer in with huge cancellation fees.. VZW makes a profit on every aspect of their service including the phones... They are not loosing money on the phones... I like the coverage.. Is VZW Great.. No... Are they good.. No... They are Just OK... But better than the other giants... Sprint - Pretty Crappy Service... Based on their attitude... Always will be... Cingular - Is making a strong run for their money... They will eventually take over the #1 spot... Plus be a worldwide company... But until then... They are crappy in my area... I think they are working from east to west to enhance their network... VZW, SPCS, USC, Altel, ETC... Why not let let CDMA/1X/EV-DO Customer's port the phones... Kind ...
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