VERIZON IS RAISING RATES
I see on my bill that verizon is raising the text messaging rates, for incoming rates, it is going up to $.10..from $.02, πΏ
text messaging is going to become a thing of the past for me, I tolerated the 2 cents, but, now it is ten cents both ways, that can add up, I would do the bundle, but, you have to do that on each phone, would be nice if they would have a group price for everyone on your sharetalk, like $10 for the unlimited for everyone on your sharetalk lines, instead of the $5 each line. USCC has verizon beat here, they charge zero for incoming text messages, and ten cents for outgoing. Oh well, didnt need to do text messaging anyway, but, if you do a lot, be aware, august 1st, rates go up...
text messaging is going to become a thing of the past for me, I tolerated the 2 cents, but, now it is ten cents both ways, that can add up, I would do the bundle, but, you have to do that on each phone, would be nice if they would have a group price for everyone on your sharetalk, like $10 for the unlimited for everyone on your sharetalk lines, instead of the $5 each line. USCC has verizon beat here, they charge zero for incoming text messages, and ten cents for outgoing. Oh well, didnt need to do text messaging anyway, but, if you do a lot, be aware, august 1st, rates go up...
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π I just looked on the Verizon website and they have an Unlimited IN Messaging $5 Bundle
(TXT, PIX & FLIX) that you might want to check out. On the family choice plan you can have it on only 1 line or for each line at $5 per month.
(TXT, PIX & FLIX) that you might want to check out. On the family choice plan you can have it on only 1 line or for each line at $5 per month.
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Txt messaging bundles actually start at $2.99 for 100 messages; not $5. For someone that does not txt often, this is an ideal package.
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I see they are really trying to nicket and dime us to increase revenue. If you're in the US Cellular market, mostly midwest states with national CDMA roaming, inbound messages are free, and incoming calls are free if you are in your local region (3 or 4 states). And rates are less than Verizon's with call quality equal to VZW and customer service equal or better.
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RichardM said:
to VZW and customer service equal or better.
Not according to JD Power.
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SForsyth01 said:RichardM said:
to VZW and customer service equal or better.
Not according to JD Power.
lol you beleive everything JD says? Its best to live life by your own experinces not what some one tells you. Well thats just my opion
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Well My experience tells me that VZW offers the best customer service I have ever had. And I have been with Alltel, AT&T, Sprint, and Cingular. So my experiences tend to agree with JD Power's rankings.
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SForsyth01 said:
Well My experience tells me that VZW offers the best customer service I have ever had. And I have been with Alltel, AT&T, Sprint, and Cingular. So my experiences tend to agree with JD Power's rankings.
However, you have not yet tried TMobile, which is the JD Power Customer Service award winner for two years running... π
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Aleq said:SForsyth01 said:
Well My experience tells me that VZW offers the best customer service I have ever had. And I have been with Alltel, AT&T, Sprint, and Cingular. So my experiences tend to agree with JD Power's rankings.
However, you have not yet tried TMobile, which is the JD Power Customer Service award winner for two years running... π
Yes, but my point was that of the carriers that I have experienced, my ratings would be equal to JD power. I have no experience with T-MO so I can't comment there.
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Plus, T-Mobile is in such a select few markets it can't be compare to VZW. Try getting Tmobile service in the Carolinas or anywhere in the midwest, good luck!
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We live in a small town and my roomates tmobile works fine. And I would have to say she has had better customer service experience with them then I have had with verizon...
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which is still triple what I'm paying now, paying per message. since most of our txt's are alrets received, this increase will just force us to stop using important alerts like tornado warnings, closed roads and war declarations. back to the stone age!
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you rely on text messaging for a declaration of war?
if somebody called you and told you there was a tornado, you wouldn't be upset that it was going towards your minutes, would you?
if somebody called you and told you there was a tornado, you wouldn't be upset that it was going towards your minutes, would you?
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no, I wouldn't, but there's no one who's going to be doing that,either.
yes, we do depend on txt for those things. my husband works in a store, where they don't have radio either. i work in an office with no windows. and we have 2 children in the military. not so far fetched at all.
yes, we do depend on txt for those things. my husband works in a store, where they don't have radio either. i work in an office with no windows. and we have 2 children in the military. not so far fetched at all.
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In that case $2.99 per month should seem like a drop in the bucket. If you really are that concerned about those things you mnetioned. It is $0.10 per day, per line, you can find that laying on the ground every day if you look.
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that is what verizon is hoping for, get people to sign up for the bundles and have more guranteed money coming in. I am another customer that will just stop text messaging. I did the pay as you go, I am not a big user of text messaging anyway. But when I text message my wife, it was $.12 total on the bill, now it will be $.20. Oh well, not a big issue, but, I probably will just turn the text messaging off on the phones, besides, think about it, you can call M2M for free, and that is quicker then typing in the digits.
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What the hell are you complaining about. Either get the text bundle or don't, but stop companinig about 8 cents. Just remember that the new verizon unlimited bundles are unlimited to other verizon customers, not unlimited to everyone. if those alerts are so important, just pay for them.
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well, money dont mean as much to you as most people, you must be a teenie bopper that lives at home with mommy and daddy.
that increase adds up, and a lot of people dont want the bundle, they got by on less. and verizon charges for incoming text messages, a lot of carriers charge zero for incoming, and one of those carriers might be my new carrier if verizon dont get off the bench and offer things such as night and weekend minutes starting at 7:01 instead of 9:01. I hear rumors they are going to do that, but, they better hurry, my contract is almost up, and I and several others will be leaving the verizon family, and it is not cingular.
that increase adds up, and a lot of people dont want the bundle, they got by on less. and verizon charges for incoming text messages, a lot of carriers charge zero for incoming, and one of those carriers might be my new carrier if verizon dont get off the bench and offer things such as night and weekend minutes starting at 7:01 instead of 9:01. I hear rumors they are going to do that, but, they better hurry, my contract is almost up, and I and several others will be leaving the verizon family, and it is not cingular.
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How about you quit talking on the damn phone so much?
8 cents is really going to break your bank? If you're really that tight for money, maybe you should look into not having a cell phone at all.
8 cents is really going to break your bank? If you're really that tight for money, maybe you should look into not having a cell phone at all.
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talking on the phone so much??? π³ where did that come from, never said anything about talking on the phone so much, just said the text messaging rates went up, and I am not going to pay for it, which is my right.
no, it would not break my bank, but, I already give verizon a lot of money every month, and I am not giving any more. I can call the cell phone for free now, so, why pay to text, and calling is quicker.
But, you go ahead, verizon is counting on people like you, it is only 8 cents more. They like people that think that way.
no, it would not break my bank, but, I already give verizon a lot of money every month, and I am not giving any more. I can call the cell phone for free now, so, why pay to text, and calling is quicker.
But, you go ahead, verizon is counting on people like you, it is only 8 cents more. They like people that think that way.
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People really need to stop defending Verizon's business practices like it was their child. Verizon IS more expensive than most carriers in a lot of respects. Is the reliability worth it, sure...to a point. Nickel and diming customers WILL cost them. 10Cents a text will ad up quickly and is just a way to force folks to a text plan. I for one love the in-bundle but it may not be for everyone. When the bandwith is considered that vzw uses for txt a rate hike is just a way to muscle people around...period.
Folks defend, get combative and put others down that don't agree with them and THAT is wrong. VZW DOES depend on customers like you that are closed minded and don't look at the big picture. The big picture is that if VZW feels that cu...
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Folks defend, get combative and put others down that don't agree with them and THAT is wrong. VZW DOES depend on customers like you that are closed minded and don't look at the big picture. The big picture is that if VZW feels that cu...
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one of those carriers might be my new carrier if verizon dont get off the bench and offer things such as night and weekend minutes starting at 7:01 instead of 9:01
That's where it came from. What difference does it make what time nights start if you don't talk on the phone that much? I have only had a cell phone and no home phone for 6 years and have gone over my minutes twice, ever. 1. was a job that required a half hour call every 3 hours 2. was a broken ankle.
As far as I'm concerned, there could be no nights and weekends and I'd be fine. Text messaging works fine for 80% of my communication.
Maybe I should start a cell phone company for people like you. TONS of minutes, cheap plans, nights will start at...
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Vatothe0 said:...one of those carriers might be my new carrier if verizon dont get off the bench and offer things such as night and weekend minutes starting at 7:01 instead of 9:01
That's where it came from. What difference does it make what time nights start if you don't talk on the phone that much? I have only had a cell phone and no home phone for 6 years and have gone over my minutes twice, ever. 1. was a job that required a half hour call every 3 hours 2. was a broken ankle.
As far as I'm concerned, there could be no nights and weekends and I'd be fine. Text messaging works fine for 80% of my communication.
Maybe I should start a cell phone company for people like you. TONS of minutes
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you guys dont understand a thing, by offering 7 night and weekends, may allow a lot of people to drop to the lower plan, see, some of us use the phone at night instead of day, so, that would benefit some people.
and if you like text messaging that much, wow, go for it. And, you can take your nights and weekends off, they are not a forced option, so if you dont need them, get rid of them, I dont even think you need a contract if you dont have the night and weekends.
as far as the POS phone carriers, I dont know, dont have them, not even available here. And why would nights and weekends start at noon, that is not night now is it. And I never said free text messaging did I, I said free incoming, and I mentioned that they raised the pri...
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and if you like text messaging that much, wow, go for it. And, you can take your nights and weekends off, they are not a forced option, so if you dont need them, get rid of them, I dont even think you need a contract if you dont have the night and weekends.
as far as the POS phone carriers, I dont know, dont have them, not even available here. And why would nights and weekends start at noon, that is not night now is it. And I never said free text messaging did I, I said free incoming, and I mentioned that they raised the pri...
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I could text all lines for .16, broken down, One line .10 for sending, three lines at .02 for total of .06 for incoming.
Then just call them, that's free.
Did you ever think that maybe Verizon was not making any money at .02? Maybe they are just now asking people to pay for the actual service rendered.
as far as the POS phone carriers, I dont know, dont have them, not even available here
So T-Mobile isn't available where you live? You must live in the middle of nowhere. At least more than 10 miles away from a freeway since that's the only place their service works.
Also, the FCC surcharge is money that Verizon is charged, so they pass it onto the customer. The only thing on t...
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Your porting facts are incorrect. All carriers began offering LNP on the EXACT same day. It was mandated by the FCC. I would also ask to know who you think charges for porting. We are in an area with 7 or 8 rural providers and none of them charge. Also, none of the majors charge.
Lastly, Verizon's Regulatory cost recovery fee is not just $0.05, and it doesn't just go to pay for LNP. It pays for all current and future government mandated services (LNP, E911, etc).
I agree on the text. Cingular has been charging $0.10 for text for a while.
Lastly, Verizon's Regulatory cost recovery fee is not just $0.05, and it doesn't just go to pay for LNP. It pays for all current and future government mandated services (LNP, E911, etc).
I agree on the text. Cingular has been charging $0.10 for text for a while.
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I've been told by a few people that they were charged by Cingular to port their number in.
Oh, and the Regulatory Charge isn't a nickel eh? ????
Oh, and the Regulatory Charge isn't a nickel eh? ????
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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/vatothe0/bill.jpg »
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Federal Regulatory Fee: This fee covers carriersβ Local Number Portability costs and various other regulatory license fees and charges. The amount of this fee can vary significantly. For wireless carriers that have adopted the voluntary Consumers' Code, this fee should be itemized in the surcharges section of consumers' bills, not the taxes and fees section.
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Federal Regulatory Fee: This fee covers carriersβ Local Number Portability costs and various other regulatory license fees and charges. The amount of this fee can vary significantly. For wireless carriers that have adopted the voluntary Consumers' Code, this fee should be itemized in the surcharges section of consumers' bills, not the taxes and fees section.
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first of all, verizon is not losing money on text messages, they werent before, and they are not now, they are just charging more to make more, called greed.
second, on the fcc surcharge, you are correct, it is what verizon is charged to provide service. And they do pass it onto the customer, which they can, and they dont have to either, but, they do, as do the other's. You will be amazed at how many reps I have talked to, and my friend has talked to, and they insist that this is a tax, which makes me believe that is what verizon instructs their employees to say, either way, dont matter. It is not a direct tax, it may be a hidden tax, but, it is a charge that verizon is charged that they can pass on to the customer. With that being sa...
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second, on the fcc surcharge, you are correct, it is what verizon is charged to provide service. And they do pass it onto the customer, which they can, and they dont have to either, but, they do, as do the other's. You will be amazed at how many reps I have talked to, and my friend has talked to, and they insist that this is a tax, which makes me believe that is what verizon instructs their employees to say, either way, dont matter. It is not a direct tax, it may be a hidden tax, but, it is a charge that verizon is charged that they can pass on to the customer. With that being sa...
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Actually it's not in the taxes section, at least not for Verizon. It's under Surcharges. So you are infact wrong in saying
That is an outright lie. Here is a capture from my personal bill...
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and it's right there under Verizon Wireless Surcharges. Taxes are charged every month, maybe they should be part of the monthly fees too?
You should take a minute and look at your bill before you start making claims. Especially ones so simply proven wrong.
it is hidden from the monthly charges, it is in the tax section.
That is an outright lie. Here is a capture from my personal bill...
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y193/vatothe0/bill.jpg »
and it's right there under Verizon Wireless Surcharges. Taxes are charged every month, maybe they should be part of the monthly fees too?
You should take a minute and look at your bill before you start making claims. Especially ones so simply proven wrong.
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who cares where it is in the bill, surcharges, taxes, whatever, it is not part of the monthly charges posted, that is what I am stating, when a person goes into the verizon store, or calls telesales, when they state the cost per month, it should include all "surcharges" or any other charges verizon adds to the bill later, not including taxes, as, the fcc charge is not a tax by the government. It is not a huge charge, but, at least the people will see it up front, and when they get their bill, they should only see the charges they were told about, and the local and state taxes, and city for some, plus any other usage such as text messaging.
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First of all. On the very first page of my bill it shows "Verizon Wireless surcharges and other charges and credits." Not exactly hidden. Then in case I have a question about what those charges are for, I have an explanation on page 2 (which I can tell you out of experience no one ever reads, but that's not the company's fault.) And pricing it up front is just crazy. Granted it's not a tax, but it is a surcharge. Whether the surcharge is for tax, shipping and handling, regulatory fees, etc, they're not considered a part of the up front charge. Hence the word "surcharge." And again with the whole "hidden" aspect of the charges, any advertisement you see from Verizon Wireless, be it print, television, radio, internet will have the fine...
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every company has expenses to run, there is not doubt about that. What is different, is, most companies put all those charges in the price of the item, or, in cell phone situations, cable tv, whatever, they could just as well put the fcc charges in the price as well. They dont because this way they can show lower prices and get people in the door. What I am saying is makes perfect sense, just put those fcc charges in the monthly charges instead of the fine print. I know a lot of companies us the fine print deal, but, in all honestly, most of those companies make most people skeptical of them, why do they need the fine print, just state it as it is, it is like companies are trying to hide something, and most generally they are, cell compa...
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But it's not that easy. These charges are percentage based (except the regulatory charge). They change if you go over your minutes. Or use 411 Connect. Or send text messages. Or download applications. Or roam, or make international long distance calls. They also go against text and picture packages, and insurance, and all those other charges. They are also subject to change should the government start charging more (which they seem to do at least yearly.) There are tons of reasons that Verizon charges the way they do. If it was as easy as you're trying to say it is, they'd probably do it your way. Problem is, it's not nearly that easy unless you add a percentage to your total bill. Done. And in the long run, it's much easier to ...
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ARE YOU CRAZY!!!! Wal-mart does that all the time. A matter of fact every time you buy something they do that. Its called Sales Tax. The companies don't have to charge you for that but they do anyways.
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ok, so now your text example costs you .40 and having a text package on each line will only cost you .10 per day per line, so for the same .40 you could send/revieve three text per day in stead of only one. Sounds like a great deal to me, triple your usage for the same money.
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what sounds like a better deal to me, is just not use it, that saves me $12 a month. I already turned the text feature off on my phones. Now, if they come out with 7 night and weekends, that is worth $10 to me a month, so, verizon has a chance to get that money from me yet, if they do it before my contract ends, other wise, they will lose all 4 lines. Pretty simple.
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Only $10! The cheapest 7 o'clock is sprint and it will cost you five dollars a line! So double that! Cingular and Alltel it is $7 aline and Verizon tends to be like alltel so it will probably be $28 a month, are you willing to pay that?
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C'mon Vatothe... quintupling the price for incoming text msgs was never going to be popular. Let's face it, it sucks. It sucks in a minor, pennies way, but it still most definitely sucks nonetheless. π
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Maybe nobody has taken the time to notice or maybe I'm just wrong, correct me if I am, but Cingular already charges .10 for sent and received messages...so maybe this isn't so much a matter of trying to nickel and dime their customers but rather more of a 'if they can get away with it why can't we?' approach
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Raising prices to match competition? Not exactly what you would call competitive pricing is it?
I would personally like to think that maybe Verizon really is nickle and diming me to continue to provide supreme service rather than just charging me higher prices "because the other guys can".
I would personally like to think that maybe Verizon really is nickle and diming me to continue to provide supreme service rather than just charging me higher prices "because the other guys can".
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It costs Verizon about .02 for you to send or recieve a text message. They weren't making any money on recieved messages and it was becoming a drain, though a small one, on the company pocketbook. Verizon spends TONS of money on expanding, upgrading and maintaining the network. The money has to come from somewhere.
Who lived on the east coast durring the blackout? What companies phones still worked?
Who lived on the east coast durring the blackout? What companies phones still worked?
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I think it is so funny when customers complain about the "high" price of text messages. I will flat out ask them, "How much money do you spend on coffee each week at Starbuck" or "How much do you spend each week on bottled water"?
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Actually, I have to agree with momcat on this one... I spend zip on Starbuck's, as coffee is bad for you (I like tea better), and I rarely if ever buy bottled watter. Maybe if I'm hiking. π
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How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
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I dont do starbucks either. And I dont buy bottled water that much either, maybe on the road, but that is it, that is why they make filters that you can put on your water line, a lot cheaper then buying bottled watter, and besides, read most of your bottled water lables, most of them say from a municipal sourse, and then probably filtered, I think we can all do that ourselves, saves a lot of money, and with the savings, we can afford to pay verizon more money for text messages... π€£, me myself, I will put the savings towards 7 night and weekend minutes, so here is verizon's chance to grab the savings idea I just let you all in on... π€£
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I have a very nice filter on my fridge. When I lived in Dallas it worked great. Doesn't do a lick of good here in Lubbock.
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texaswireless said:
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How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
Coffee is a lot more acidic. It also does something funky involving cortisol that makes it easier to pack on the weight.
I lost like 10 pounds over the course of a couple of months just giving up coffee totally and going to tea. Weird, but I'm not complaining.
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BetterThanJake said:texaswireless said:
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How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
Coffee is a lot more acidic. It also does something funky involving cortisol that makes it easier to pack on the weight.
I lost like 10 pounds over the course of a couple of months just giving up coffee totally and going to tea. Weird, but I'm not complaining.
I lost 12 pounds in two months after giving up coffee for good. I also feel a hell of a lot better in the mornings...when otherwise I'd have to have a cup to keep myself going.
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That's very interesting.
Good thing I don't drink coffee very often. I'd be a fatter SOB than I am now.
Good thing I don't drink coffee very often. I'd be a fatter SOB than I am now.
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texaswireless said:
That's very interesting.
Good thing I don't drink coffee very often. I'd be a fatter SOB than I am now.
I've never deviated from the average weight for my height since I graduated from high school...but once a Starbucks opened near my job, pfft...that was it. I put on about 12 pounds in 8 months. It all went away when I gave up the java.
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texaswireless said:
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How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
I visited Lubbock once. After it rained, instead of that fresh, clean rain smell MOST places get, the place smelled like a dirty zoo. βΉοΈ
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LilShorty said:texaswireless said:
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How is coffee bad but tea isn't?
Not a coffee or tea guy, just wondering.
Oh, and if you lived in Lubbock, you WOULD buy bottled water. π
I visited Lubbock once. After it rained, instead of that fresh, clean rain smell MOST places get, the place smelled like a dirty zoo. βΉοΈ
Aw, that ain't nice. My aunt lives in Lubbock...I actually like it a lot.
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She's right though. This place can have a bad stink sometimes with the slaughter house. Luckily it mostly on the NE side of town.
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She's right though. This place can have a bad stink sometimes with the slaughter house. Luckily it mostly on the NE side of town.
I don't recall that, but the last time I visited I was 12...and all I wanted to do was run around and explore. I was probably spared the slaughter house tale.
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Did you read my post? I wasn't putting down Verizon for raising text messaging prices, I was actually defending them.
Somebody claimed that Verizon was nickle and diming them just because "the other guys can get away with it", but I see it as them using the money to keep up their success. I know how much they spend each year on their network, you don't have to tell me, it already shows.
Your last question was a little irrelevant but I'm sure it was in reference to the amount of money put into maintaining a network and service. I'm not sure but I would bet that all of the top 5 carriers at the time had some sort of backup in place.
Somebody claimed that Verizon was nickle and diming them just because "the other guys can get away with it", but I see it as them using the money to keep up their success. I know how much they spend each year on their network, you don't have to tell me, it already shows.
Your last question was a little irrelevant but I'm sure it was in reference to the amount of money put into maintaining a network and service. I'm not sure but I would bet that all of the top 5 carriers at the time had some sort of backup in place.
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Actually Verizon was the only company to roll out portable cell towers that I ever saw
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Wrong. Cingular has the same, if not more backup technology than anything I've ever read about Verizon. I know that Verizon deploys COWs in emergencies but Cingular has had several different types of emergency backup technologies for awhile now. They even deploy their backup "fleets" to areas that are prone to network failure ahead of time. Here is a recent article detailing Cingular's emergency plan.
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Cingular Wireless Ready to Weather Tropical Storm Arlene
ORLANDO, Fla., June 10 /PRNewswire/ -- With the first tropical storm of
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Cingular Wireless Ready to Weather Tropical Storm Arlene
ORLANDO, Fla., June 10 /PRNewswire/ -- With the first tropical storm of
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Cingular's tower equipment in my area has a backup generator for power outages, sprint and Alltel operate of the same tower, but when the power goes out the only service that continues to work is Cingular's, Verizon isnt in my area, but I know that they deploy portable equipment to areas that could be disaster proneor to areas where a lot of people will be using their service such as sporting events and concerts and stuff like that.
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It costs Verizon about .02 for you to send or recieve a text message. They weren't making any money on recieved messages and it was becoming a drain, though a small one, on the company pocketbook. Verizon spends TONS of money on expanding, upgrading and maintaining the network. The money has to come from somewhere.
Who lived on the east coast durring the blackout? What companies phones still worked?
I actually agree with Vato on this.
I said the exact same thing when Cingular raised their data prices.
I sure do remember you guys trash talking Cingular when they did it though.
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If this post was directed to me (because Vatothe's was) I already explained that I was defending Verizon for raising their rates. People are complaining about how Verizon is nickle and diming them but they don't realize that all of that money is only going to make their service better.
Sigh. π
Sigh. π
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re-read the post marcus. It was aimed at the verizon guys who trashed Cingular for raising their rates.
Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry for the confusion.
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I travel through the United States and anyone who has ever had Cingular Wireless knows you donβt get Cingular anywhere. Cingular's Not Allover Network only covers major cities and Highways through the United States just like T-Mobile. I would rather pay a roaming charge than have NO Service at all. VZW may cost more but offer more coverage and better coverage. The United States is a CDMA dominated country and will be that way for the next 7-8 years until the release of codename "GXCX" network which is a mix of the GSM Network and CDMA Digital 1x Network. Currently Verizon and Sprint are the only two companies working on 100% coverage of the US.
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Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but there is no and most likely will never be such thing as 100% U.S. coverage.
Do you actually use Cingular service? If so, was Cingular the service you had when you were travelling? How long ago was this? Are you using TDMA or GSM? Where were you travelling through?
I've travelled plenty with Cingular and haven't experienced any problems where I have been. Sounds to me like you are complaining about not getting service from Nowhere, Wyoming to Ghost Town, Montana.
Do you actually use Cingular service? If so, was Cingular the service you had when you were travelling? How long ago was this? Are you using TDMA or GSM? Where were you travelling through?
I've travelled plenty with Cingular and haven't experienced any problems where I have been. Sounds to me like you are complaining about not getting service from Nowhere, Wyoming to Ghost Town, Montana.
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I have Cingular/AT&T TDMA and GSM network I have VZW, Alltel, & Sprint PCS to. I get paid to compare service.
In many alot of areas the cingular GSM network does not work. The TDMA service is becoming more weak from day to day. With line of site as bad as it is, the possibilty of %100 service is looking impossible but will happen. Global Communications is that far out of reach.
In many alot of areas the cingular GSM network does not work. The TDMA service is becoming more weak from day to day. With line of site as bad as it is, the possibilty of %100 service is looking impossible but will happen. Global Communications is that far out of reach.
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Man, the overwhelming stench of BS coming from your two posts makes me wrech.
Cingular has the best coverage of any company I have ever used. Only Verizon comes close.
Oh, and the half gsm/half cdma network you are talking about is actually being built by Cingular. GSM/WCDMA and yeah Cingular will still have more coverage than anyone else.
Thanks for playing.
Cingular has the best coverage of any company I have ever used. Only Verizon comes close.
Oh, and the half gsm/half cdma network you are talking about is actually being built by Cingular. GSM/WCDMA and yeah Cingular will still have more coverage than anyone else.
Thanks for playing.
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That may be true in some areas of the country, but there are still PLENTY of areas with no coverage, especially in states with a high rural population. If you're a metropolitan type person and stay in or near big cities, then Cingy rocks. However, if you're like me and do NOT frequent large cities but instead travel around my mostly-rural state, there is no GSM coverage in most of the state. So he DOES have a valid argument.
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Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular. Where there is no digital coverage, you have things like deserts, mountains, and high plains. Sure Verizon covers these folks with analog, but honestly Verizon loses money when they service these areas. If you need coverage on your ranch in BFE Wyoming, you might go with Verizon. Or you might go with long range walkie-talkies. But guess what, Cingular is expanding the GSM areas so that may change soon.
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Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 25 mil ppl not covered by Cingy.
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270m is a BS claim as well. Never listen to that. That claim means they assume that everyone probably within 100 miles has coverage. Believe me, I have a friend of who Cingular, and travelling within Toledo, Ohio (where I live, population of around 400,000), he loses signal quite frequently. Obviously we are the biggest city in the area outside of Detroit (1 hour away), and Cleveland (2-3 hours away). Not even being able to keep coverage intact uniformly across the same city, not including its suburbs, says something about the coverage.
also, 50m subscribers for Cingular (combination of 2 "large" wireless providers)
compared to 45m (a single entity)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorCo ... »
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also, 50m subscribers for Cingular (combination of 2 "large" wireless providers)
compared to 45m (a single entity)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorCo ... »
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That "single entity" that you know today wasn't always a single entity. It was formed the same way the current Cingular was formed...as far as subscriber numbers go.
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BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 25 mil ppl not covered by Cingy.
blockquote>BetterThanJake said:
Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 2...
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Al_Swearengen said:...BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 25 mil ppl not covered by Cingy.
Well, just to clarify, I was talking about the difference between Cingular and Verizon, not the difference between Cingular's pop and the US population.
Verizon covers about 10 million more than Cingular with tons of analog.
So, out of all the people in the US that CAN get cell service, all but 3% can get Cing
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BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 25 mil ppl not covered by Cingy.
Well, just to clarify, I was talking about the difference between Cingular and Verizon, not the difference between Cingular's pop and the US population.
Verizon covers about 10 million more than Cingular with tons of analog.
So, out of all the people in the US that CAN get cell service, all but 3% can get Cingular. And it's all digital, all data, ...
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BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:
Those areas are few and far between. You are talking about 1% of the population that doesn't have access to Cingular.
More like 8-9%.
Cingular's site says their network covers 270 million people. Current US population just hit 295 million. So there are 25 mil ppl not covered by Cingy.
And Cingy's figures really count both Cingular and ATTWS -- even though they really haven't merged the two networks yet.
In many places that doesn't matter -- but there are places where it does make a big difference. If you are a "Cingular" customer your phone still uses a Cingular tower if it can find one, even if it would get a better signal f...
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Your supposed "theory" that Cingular is lying about having started integrating the two networks is wrong. I live in a market that AT&T was available in and Cingular was not. I switched to Cingular soon after the merge and all former AT&T towers in my market have been reconfigured into Cingular's network. How do I know this? Former AT&T Wireless customers who are still on AT&T Wireless plans are continuously roaming on Cingular's network. A friend of mine who is still on an AT&T plan get's his monthly bill and every minute on his bill is listed as roaming, but Cingular recognizes the roaming minutes as being on their own network and they account for them as regular airtime minutes.
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1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
Allover my a$$.
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SForsyth01 said:
1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
What's allover your a$$?
Dude, don't bring that filth into this family forum.
Oh, and I was in Phoenix last month... my phone worked just fine.
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Al_Swearengen said:SForsyth01 said:
1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
What's allover your a$$?
Dude, don't bring that filth into this family forum.
Oh, and I was in Phoenix last month... my phone worked just fine.
Cingular's Network is "Allover my a$$." They can't even be bothered to have coverage in a city that is consistently in the top 3 nationwide in population growth. Pathetic.
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π³ That is why I keep staying with Verizon. I live in Phoenix/Scottsdale and have great reception everywhere in the metropolitan area.
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jarizona said:
π³ That is why I keep staying with Verizon. I live in Phoenix/Scottsdale and have great reception everywhere in the metropolitan area.
Yes, My Verizon phone worked wonderfully. I never had less than 3 bars of signal and NEVER dropped a call. I actually had to have my Cingular phone forwarded to my VZW phone in order to conduct business (all of my colleagues have my Cingular number). That is Pathetic of Cingular, in my honest opinion.
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Okay, Verizon doesn't even have coverage in 3 of the top 100 markets. So what keeps my from saying that THAT is pathetic of Verizon? At least you had coverage, and you said so yourself that you were on a newly constructed area. If Phoenix is the fastest growing metro area in the country, then maybe that is the logical excuse as to why Cingular can't provide substantial coverage there yet. It would quite hard to build out a network in a place that's ever-expanding. Give it time and please, stop complaining.
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RUFF1415 said:
Okay, Verizon doesn't even have coverage in 3 of the top 100 markets.
I am very curious as to how many of those top 100 Cingular has coverage in.....and also which ones VZW is missing. Remember, Boise Idaho does not count.
I do not have any problem with Cingular's technology or their service. I just don't like not having signal in a major metropolitan area. I have never had that problem with VZW.
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All 100.
-The ability to make calls on the country's largest digital voice and data network - the Cingular ALLOVERSM network, which covers more than 270 million people in the top 100 U.S. markets.
http://www.cingular.com/about/company_overview »
Let's just hope that you don't find yourself in any of the three major metropolitan areas that Verizon doesn't cover, or else I guess you're gonna have to give up all hope for cell phone service.
-The ability to make calls on the country's largest digital voice and data network - the Cingular ALLOVERSM network, which covers more than 270 million people in the top 100 U.S. markets.
http://www.cingular.com/about/company_overview »
Let's just hope that you don't find yourself in any of the three major metropolitan areas that Verizon doesn't cover, or else I guess you're gonna have to give up all hope for cell phone service.
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SForsyth01 said:...Al_Swearengen said:SForsyth01 said:
1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
What's allover your a$$?
Dude, don't bring that filth into this family forum.
Oh, and I was in Phoenix last month... my phone worked just fine.
Cingular's Network is "Allover my a$$." They can't even be bothered to have coverage in a city that is consistently in the top 3 nationwide in population growth. Pathetic.
My phone worked fine in Phoenix while
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Al_Swearengen said:...SForsyth01 said:Al_Swearengen said:SForsyth01 said:
1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
What's allover your a$$?
Dude, don't bring that filth into this family forum.
Oh, and I was in Phoenix last month... my phone worked just fine.
Cingular's Network is "Allover my a$$." They can't even be bothered to have coverage in a city that is consistently in the top 3 nationwide in population growth. Pathetic.
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It is just my opinion that if there is an area that is growing so quickly, that a cellular carrier should focus on that area a little more than it seems they are based on their "future coverage" parts of their coverage maps.
And for the record, I had no post erased. I would honestly like to know what Swearengen was questioning, because I would like the oppurtunity to answer it.
And for the record, I had no post erased. I would honestly like to know what Swearengen was questioning, because I would like the oppurtunity to answer it.
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I want to know when Verizon is planning on covering the last three of the top 100 markets. In my opinion it is a shame that they don't already have coverage there. What am I supposed to do when I go to a city and can't use them there? I mean, they are major metropolitan areas, shouldn't they at least have SOME coverage? They need to put their focus in the right places. π
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RUFF1415 said:
I want to know when Verizon is planning on covering the last three of the top 100 markets. In my opinion it is a shame that they don't already have coverage there. What am I supposed to do when I go to a city and can't use them there? I mean, they are major metropolitan areas, shouldn't they at least have SOME coverage? They need to put their focus in the right places. π
I would like to know which 3 are not covered. When you compare coverage maps, it "looks" like they have coverage everywhere Cingular does. But I know looks are deceiving.
It is appalling that VZW would call themselves the BEST when they don't cover all 100.
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They don't even cover all of the top 50.
U.S. Market Coverage: 49 of Top 50; 97 of Top 100
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/aboutUs/index.jsp »
I'm searching for the markets that they DO cover.
U.S. Market Coverage: 49 of Top 50; 97 of Top 100
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/aboutUs/index.jsp »
I'm searching for the markets that they DO cover.
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I saw that. I am just trying to find out which ones they do not cover.
That is truly ridiculous for them to call themselves the BEST though.
Although, the areas that they DO cover, they do have very strong signal there.
Ultimately, there will NEVER be a perfect wireless carrier, but at least we have 2 VERY GOOD ones.
That is truly ridiculous for them to call themselves the BEST though.
Although, the areas that they DO cover, they do have very strong signal there.
Ultimately, there will NEVER be a perfect wireless carrier, but at least we have 2 VERY GOOD ones.
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SForsyth01 said:
Ultimately, there will NEVER be a perfect wireless carrier, but at least we have 2 VERY GOOD ones.
I can agree with that!
I have service with both because I get the best of what I need from each of them. I use Verizon for data and Cingular for voice.
Works fine for me.
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Al_Swearengen said:...SForsyth01 said:Al_Swearengen said:SForsyth01 said:
1% of the population, huh???? I have both Cingular and VZW. I just spent a week just outside of Downtown Phoenix, AZ. I HAD NO SIGNAL!!!!!!!! I was within the city limits of Phoenix, only 1 mile out of Downtown Phoenix.
Allover my a$$.
What's allover your a$$?
Dude, don't bring that filth into this family forum.
Oh, and I was in Phoenix last month... my phone worked just fine.
Cingular's Network is "Allover my a$$." They can't even be bothered to have coverage in a city that is consistently in the top 3 nationwide in population growth. Pathetic.
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Al_Swearengen said:
Like I said before, you've been an avid Cingular hater since you've been posting
How would you know that he's been "an avid Cingular hater ever since he's been posting", Al? According to the account info, you've only been here two months, SForysth, nine.
Were you perhaps someone else here not too long ago? If so, why the new account? π
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BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:
Like I said before, you've been an avid Cingular hater since you've been posting
How would you know that he's been "an avid Cingular hater ever since he's been posting", Al? According to the account info, you've only been here two months, SForysth, nine.
Were you perhaps someone else here not too long ago? If so, why the new account? π
There's no new account. That's at least the 5th time you have accused me of being someone else, jake. Do you WISH I was someone else? At least now I know why you are always trying to start **** with me. Grow up, dude. I'm not interested in playing your childish games. I've told you numerous ...
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Hee hee... thanks Al, you definitely answered my question. Though perhaps not in the manner you intended π
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BetterThanJake said:
Hee hee... thanks Al, you definitely answered my question. Though perhaps not in the manner you intended π
No problem. You've confirmed some of my own opinions about you, too. π
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Actually cingular has a lot of issues in areas that aren't so densely populated. If you look at a map just about every state has less coverage on cingular then it does verizon. Verizon is a better overall service then Cingular. Cingular may have more users on their network but of course they do, the second and third largest wireless companies merged. So actually cingular doesn't work as well as verizon in more areas then not.
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I wasn't comparing Cingular's network and service to Verizon's. π It's sad how it always goes sriaight to that.
I was simply stating that Cingular's service isn't as bad as he's making it out to be. He compared their coverage to T-Mobile's which is simply insane. I have travelled plenty with my Cingular service and have never experienced any problems, and I can definitely vouch that Cingular works in more places than just major cities and highways.
Cingular doesn't have much network in places with low population density because it doesn't make sense for them to build there. If they were to build out and run a network there, only to have a few thousand people use it, they would be wasting/losing their money. It's not good busi...
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I was simply stating that Cingular's service isn't as bad as he's making it out to be. He compared their coverage to T-Mobile's which is simply insane. I have travelled plenty with my Cingular service and have never experienced any problems, and I can definitely vouch that Cingular works in more places than just major cities and highways.
Cingular doesn't have much network in places with low population density because it doesn't make sense for them to build there. If they were to build out and run a network there, only to have a few thousand people use it, they would be wasting/losing their money. It's not good busi...
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the statement that cingular or any wireless company does not put up in low population area's because it is a waste of money, and losing money.
The way I understand this, is that part of that fcc surcharge people pay on the monthly bills is to goto rural areas, to provide service in rural areas where the population is not as high. So, there is money there to get to serve those areas, the people are paying it already. Just not sure how it works 100%.
The way I understand this, is that part of that fcc surcharge people pay on the monthly bills is to goto rural areas, to provide service in rural areas where the population is not as high. So, there is money there to get to serve those areas, the people are paying it already. Just not sure how it works 100%.
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But the majority of that fund goes to landline carriers to get landline service. Only a VERY small percentage goes to Wireless carriers and almost none goes to Cingular or Verizon or the Big Guys π’
FCC and the gov still see Cell phones as a Luxury not a nessecity (SP) Thats why so little of the FCC fund goes to Cell Providers
It's a crying shame π’
FCC and the gov still see Cell phones as a Luxury not a nessecity (SP) Thats why so little of the FCC fund goes to Cell Providers
It's a crying shame π’
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RUFF1415 said:
Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but there is no and most likely will never be such thing as 100% U.S. coverage.
There isn't now Ruff, but there may be someday, or close, with long-range technologies like Wi-Max and CDMA 450.
Not saying it absolutely WILL happen, mind you, just that its not as unbelievable as some think. π
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So when I'm in an underground fallout shelter, in that house with aluminum siding and a tin roof, in the elevator on the 63rd floor of the Empire State Building, or climbing the side of the Rockies I'll be able to call my mom? Nah.
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Lower frequencies penetrate buildings/objects better, so... yah, some of those may be doable in the future.
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In any case, the real question is: Do most customers reasonably expect their cellphone to work in such extreme situations? No, they probably don't.
But do they expect them to work out on some lonely rural highway or small town that's off the beaten path? Yeah, fortunately or unfortunately, most do. But that's where CDMA450 or Wi-Max could come in. Because if a single cell site can cover a radius of 50-60km out (i.e. several thousand square miles), even Nowhere USA (don't blink or you'll miss it!) has a shot of getting coverage. And that'll be pretty cool, if and when it happens.
But do they expect them to work out on some lonely rural highway or small town that's off the beaten path? Yeah, fortunately or unfortunately, most do. But that's where CDMA450 or Wi-Max could come in. Because if a single cell site can cover a radius of 50-60km out (i.e. several thousand square miles), even Nowhere USA (don't blink or you'll miss it!) has a shot of getting coverage. And that'll be pretty cool, if and when it happens.
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I am curious where you pulled your information regarding the coverage of WiMax (50-60k)? per site. Unless the technology will be broadcast at extremely high wattage the coverage radius of a WiMax site will actually be less than current cellular network due to the high MHz used for the solution.
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southwestcomm said:
I am curious where you pulled your information regarding the coverage of WiMax (50-60k)? per site. Unless the technology will be broadcast at extremely high wattage the coverage radius of a WiMax site will actually be less than current cellular network due to the high MHz used for the solution.
Yeah, dude. Don't get all 'factual' with this cat. He gets rude when you start telling the truth about something.
WIMAX is a 'last mile' technology with a much shorter range than cell. You may use this in communities but it's designed to hand off to the cellular network. And cdma450 won't be happening in this country from all I have heard.
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Well, I was talking about both CDMA450 and Wi-Max.
CDMA450 may go even beyond the 50-60km radius I was talking about... perhaps even to 80km:
βThe typical GSM [W-CDMA] base station at best has a radius of 25 kilometers; the CDMA 450 base stations we have deployed can reach as far as 80 kilometers,βΒ says Mr. Norgaard, now an independent industry advisor. βThis reduces the number of base stations significantly, driving down capital expenditure and operational costs and the cost of communications,βΒ he says.
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=11287&hed=W ... »
Wi-Max, on the other hand, seems to have tremendous range but not tremendous radius:
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CDMA450 may go even beyond the 50-60km radius I was talking about... perhaps even to 80km:
βThe typical GSM [W-CDMA] base station at best has a radius of 25 kilometers; the CDMA 450 base stations we have deployed can reach as far as 80 kilometers,βΒ says Mr. Norgaard, now an independent industry advisor. βThis reduces the number of base stations significantly, driving down capital expenditure and operational costs and the cost of communications,βΒ he says.
http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=11287&hed=W ... »
Wi-Max, on the other hand, seems to have tremendous range but not tremendous radius:
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Those are two great links. They don't specify at what MHz the WiMax broadcasts at 3,000 square miles. Are these portions of the spectrum available today? Are they auctioned?
Basically will the form of WiMax that is eventual launched going to use spectrum that allows for 3,000 square miles of coverage or will it have cellualr type coverage and require multiple sites to provide the density of coverage similar to cellular? The articles don't speculate that very well.
Basically will the form of WiMax that is eventual launched going to use spectrum that allows for 3,000 square miles of coverage or will it have cellualr type coverage and require multiple sites to provide the density of coverage similar to cellular? The articles don't speculate that very well.
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BetterThanJake said:RUFF1415 said:
Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but there is no and most likely will never be such thing as 100% U.S. coverage.
There isn't now Ruff, but there may be someday, or close, with long-range technologies like Wi-Max and CDMA 450.
Not saying it absolutely WILL happen, mind you, just that its not as unbelievable as some think. π
And I wasn't saying it absolutely WON'T happen either, if you reread what I had said. π
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Uh, sorry to burst your bubble but there is no and most likely will never be such thing as 100% U.S. coverage.
and
"No computer will ever need more than 64K of RAM"
--Bill Gates
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By the way, Cingular and T-Mobile's overall coverage are in NO WAY comparable to each other. You must have hit you head pretty hard if you can truly believe that.
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Did you know that T-Mobile and Cingular currently have roaming agreements with each other?
The current Cingular service map does not show many holes in the Cingular service.
VZW, Alltel, US Cellular, Qwest ....etc.....etc... and other CDMA carriers may seem more expensive but offer more coverage. Cingular only offers an awesome selection of Phones, Sprint offers the most reliable phones by Sanyo (no matter what problems people have, Sanyo customers are the most satisfied), and VZW offers the Larges CDMA/Analog coverage in the United States. All companies offer a feature that puts them ahead of the other company. Oh! Before I forget T-Mobile has the most network coverage around the world than any other company around. You canβt compare...
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The current Cingular service map does not show many holes in the Cingular service.
VZW, Alltel, US Cellular, Qwest ....etc.....etc... and other CDMA carriers may seem more expensive but offer more coverage. Cingular only offers an awesome selection of Phones, Sprint offers the most reliable phones by Sanyo (no matter what problems people have, Sanyo customers are the most satisfied), and VZW offers the Larges CDMA/Analog coverage in the United States. All companies offer a feature that puts them ahead of the other company. Oh! Before I forget T-Mobile has the most network coverage around the world than any other company around. You canβt compare...
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Yes I do know that Cingular and T-Mobile currently have roaming agreements with each other. That isn't the point. The point is that your phone understands a little thing called preferred network, so no matter how weak a signal gets, your phone is going to stick with its "home" network for as long as possible. With that being said, Cingular's OWN network is in no way comparible to the T-Mobile's network in either size or call quality. If you are carrying around a Cingular phone you are generally going to get a better signal, better call quality, and be able to hold on to a call better than T-Mobile in more places. Period.
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RUFF1415 said:
Verizon has the largest CDMA/Analog network in the U.S. Cingular has the largest digital network in the U.S. Take away analog and what do you have? Cingular with the largest digital network in the U.S. Kind of funny how nearly 3/4 of Verizon's phone lineup doesn't support AMPS.
Most of this is correct RUFF, but the phone comment is not.
In my area code, for example, 14 of the 25 Verizon phones are trimode (i.e. support AMPS). It'd be fairer to say "a bit under half" don't support analog.
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BetterThanJake said:
In my area code, for example, 14 of the 25 Verizon phones are trimode (i.e. support AMPS). It'd be fairer to say "a bit under half" don't support analog.
Oops... forgot the Radio Shack exclusives (the Moto V260 and Sammy A 570). So its 15 out of 27 that support AMPS, for the nitpickers out there.
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BetterThanJake said:BetterThanJake said:
In my area code, for example, 14 of the 25 Verizon phones are trimode (i.e. support AMPS). It'd be fairer to say "a bit under half" don't support analog.
Oops... forgot the Radio Shack exclusives (the Moto V260 and Sammy A 570). So its 15 out of 27 that support AMPS, for the nitpickers out there.
Oh. For yourself then? π€£
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Al_Swearengen said:BetterThanJake said:
Oops... forgot the Radio Shack exclusives (the Moto V260 and Sammy A 570). So its 15 out of 27 that support AMPS, for the nitpickers out there.
Oh. For yourself then? π€£
Nah. Nitpicking would've been correcting RUFF even if he had been close. He wasn't. Next. π
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BetterThanJake said:Al_Swearengen said:BetterThanJake said:
Oops... forgot the Radio Shack exclusives (the Moto V260 and Sammy A 570). So its 15 out of 27 that support AMPS, for the nitpickers out there.
Oh. For yourself then? π€£
Nah. Nitpicking would've been correcting RUFF even if he had been close. He wasn't. Next. π
LOL You fell right in. The very definition of nitpicking is stupendously displayed in your reply above.
"NEXT" π
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I'm sorry Al, but you're simply wrong here. I clarified my OWN response to be more accurate. Can one really 'nitpick' themselves? I doubt it.
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I'm sorry Al, but you're simply wrong here. I clarified my OWN response to be more accurate. Can one really 'nitpick' themselves? I doubt it.
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Hee hee... Al, I'm gonna give you this one, because you actually made me laugh. Thanks. π
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Alright, well thanks for clearing that up. I actually counted them out and figured out exactly what fraction of the phones supported AMPS on the Verizon website awhile back but I guess that is bound to change over time.
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That statement is either outdated or just wrong.
T-Mobile's Website states:
"Go out of the country, not out of touch. Thereβs no easier way to make and receive calls in 182 countries and locations."
http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp »
And most almanacs place the total number of countries at 192.
With the addition of 850 phones and roaming agreements, the coverage areas are the same. Any T-Mobile rep can pull up our Interactive Coverage Map, enter and address and show whether or not we have coverage. The ICM is 100% up to date, whereas our coverage maps in store and online are only updated quarterly or bi-annually. Feel free to visit a T-Mobile corporate store and ask them to use ICM (it's in Streamline) and the...
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T-Mobile's Website states:
"Go out of the country, not out of touch. Thereβs no easier way to make and receive calls in 182 countries and locations."
http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp »
And most almanacs place the total number of countries at 192.
With the addition of 850 phones and roaming agreements, the coverage areas are the same. Any T-Mobile rep can pull up our Interactive Coverage Map, enter and address and show whether or not we have coverage. The ICM is 100% up to date, whereas our coverage maps in store and online are only updated quarterly or bi-annually. Feel free to visit a T-Mobile corporate store and ask them to use ICM (it's in Streamline) and the...
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That statement is either outdated or just wrong.
T-Mobile's Website states:
"Go out of the country, not out of touch. Thereβs no easier way to make and receive calls in 182 countries and locations."
http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp
Nope, not outdated. I gave the link to you that is on the main page of cingular.com. It's correct. If you read T-Mobiles claim is says "in 182 countries and locations". They simply stated it that way so that they could get it in your head that you can get service in 182 COUNTRIES but really you can't, that's where the "locations" come in. Cingular isn't stupid enough to make the claim that they offer the largest global roaming...
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azjames said:
That statement is either outdated or just wrong.
T-Mobile's Website states:
"Go out of the country, not out of touch. Thereβs no easier way to make and receive calls in 182 countries and locations."
http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp
Nope, not outdated. I gave the link to you that is on the main page of cingular.com. It's correct. If you read T-Mobiles claim is says "in 182 countries and locations". They simply stated it that way so that they could get it in your head that you can get service in 182 COUNTRIES but really you can't, that's where the "locations" come in. Cingular isn't stupid enough to make the claim that they offer the largest global roaming of any U.S. carrie...
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That statement is either outdated or just wrong.
T-Mobile's Website states:
"Go out of the country, not out of touch. Thereβs no easier way to make and receive calls in 182 countries and locations."
http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp
Nope, not outdated. I gave the link to you that is on the main page of cingular.com. It's correct. If you read T-Mobiles claim is says "in 182 countries and locations". They simply stated it that way so that they could get it in your head that you can get service in 182 COUNTRIES but really you can't, that's where the "locations" come in. Cingular isn't stupid enough to make the claim that they offer the larges
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Sorry gentlemen.....Cingy added 1.4 Million gross subscribers, and had a churn rate of 2.2%....they ended the quarter at 50.4 Million a gross of 400,000. T-Mobile's net (after churn) add was 957,000.
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azjames said:
Sorry gentlemen.....Cingy added 1.4 Million gross subscribers, and had a churn rate of 2.2%....they ended the quarter at 50.4 Million a gross of 400,000. T-Mobile's net (after churn) add was 957,000.
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No Az... the 1.4 million figure is NET adds, not gross. Check it out here:
http://news.stockselector.com/newsarticle.asp?symbol ... »
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Alright so we are gonna talk semantics.....the "locations" refers to those "countries" that are really colonies of other countries. Like, say, Aruba for instance. Or French Polynesia, aka Tahiti.
And no they wouldn't get sued. T-Mobile isn't really a "U.S. carrier". Since semantics seems important to you....T-Mobile is part of DT Germany and therefore a U.S. division of a non-U.S. carrier.
As far as better quality...name it...J.D. Power, Consumer Reports, I haven't ever seen any study where Cingular was anything better than third.
And I am calling BS on your 1.8 Million. Cingular reported 1.4 Million Gross Ads for 1st quarter and a churn rate of 2.2% on 50 Million Subs leaveing a gross of just barely 400,000. T-Mobile's net subs f...
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And no they wouldn't get sued. T-Mobile isn't really a "U.S. carrier". Since semantics seems important to you....T-Mobile is part of DT Germany and therefore a U.S. division of a non-U.S. carrier.
As far as better quality...name it...J.D. Power, Consumer Reports, I haven't ever seen any study where Cingular was anything better than third.
And I am calling BS on your 1.8 Million. Cingular reported 1.4 Million Gross Ads for 1st quarter and a churn rate of 2.2% on 50 Million Subs leaveing a gross of just barely 400,000. T-Mobile's net subs f...
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The 1.8 million adds came in Q4 2004 when Cingular added more than any carrier ever.
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Uh, if you didn't know it T-Mobile in America is called T-Mobile USA. They have to follow all of the laws just like the rest of us... π³
J.D. Power? Hm, last time I read those awards for T-Mobile, they were sheerly for customer service. π
Consumer Reports? I haven't seen the latest results but since those are surveys taken in metro areas...well you know about T-Mobile and big cities.
I already was corrected/corrected myself on the 1.8 million bit. Two quarters ago they gained 1.8 million, a record breaking number. Regardless, how are you getting that T-Mobile is gaining 2.4 customers for every 1 that Cingular gets? Why are you considering churn? Did you not realize that churn is included in net additions, so if Cingul...
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J.D. Power? Hm, last time I read those awards for T-Mobile, they were sheerly for customer service. π
Consumer Reports? I haven't seen the latest results but since those are surveys taken in metro areas...well you know about T-Mobile and big cities.
I already was corrected/corrected myself on the 1.8 million bit. Two quarters ago they gained 1.8 million, a record breaking number. Regardless, how are you getting that T-Mobile is gaining 2.4 customers for every 1 that Cingular gets? Why are you considering churn? Did you not realize that churn is included in net additions, so if Cingul...
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RUFF is quite correct... the net add figures DO take into account losses due to churn. Which means that Cingular did add more customers, by any metric, than T-Mobile did.
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i have never heard so much B.S in my life, CDMA is not dominate is the USA, it is right now, but there is the thing, GSM is the global standard, and once att gsm and cingular gsm network are combined than it will all be better,
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cingular and ATT towers are not combined yet? Maybe thats why I get poor coverage at the border to Canada and the reps told me it would get better. I keep getting a canadian signal from my house in New York.
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And if you pay attention to the commercials, that's why it says 'Thats the goal of our AllOver Network'... It will take time to combine to large networks like that. Also, as someone pointed out, take away Verizons analog coverage and you would have about the same if not less coverage than the new Cingular. Now, I have heard a few people here and there complain that Cing. doesn't offer phones with analog back up, that's because analog and gsm uses two different verification methods where as cdma and analog uses the same. Now if you look at Verizonwireless.com, check the map of NationalAccess and Enhanced Services Map that will give you a pretty good idea of their digital coverage.(and if I am completely wrong here and you work Verizon, please...
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And if you pay attention to the commercials, that's why it says 'Thats the goal of our AllOver Network'... It will take time to combine to large networks like that. Also, as someone pointed out, take away Verizons analog coverage and you would have about the same if not less coverage than the new Cingular. Now, I have heard a few people here and there complain that Cing. doesn't offer phones with analog back up, that's because analog and gsm uses two different verification methods where as cdma and analog uses the same. Now if you look at Verizonwireless.com, check the map of NationalAccess and Enhanced Services Map that will give you a pretty good idea of their digital coverage.(and if I am completely wr
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take away Verizons analog coverage and you would have about the same if not less coverage than the new Cingular.
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I dare ya... do what I said and you will see what the ACTUAL digital coverage is... And like I said, if you WORK for Verizon and prove me wrong, I will retract my statement... I don't like posting incorrect information and based on what I have that is correct. I know pretty much all the ends and outs of Cingular and GSM/ TDMA, I am a little limited to what I know about Vericon and CDMA, so if you know something, prove me wrong!!!! I'm not afraid to say when I don't know something, but I will back up what I say when I know it...
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I dare ya... do what I said and you will see what the ACTUAL digital coverage is... And like I said, if you WORK for Verizon and prove me wrong, I will retract my statement... I don't like posting incorrect information and based on what I have that is correct. I know pretty much all the ends and outs of Cingular and GSM/ TDMA, I am a little limited to what I know about Vericon and CDMA, so if you know something, prove me wrong!!!! I'm not afraid to say when I don't know something, but I will back up what I say when I know it...
Verizon Wireless owns and operates the nationβs most reliable wireless network*, serving 45.5 million voice and data customers. Leveraging its greatest asset - its ...
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Also check there national coverage that list both analog and digital and then check by putting in your address and it will show you what is there network in your area, I know where I live, it's a big difference.
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Digital Pimp said: NOTICE WHERE IT SAYS 100% digital network.... π³ π³ π³ we just still have analog available for use.
That doesn't prove anything that he was saying wrong.
Cingular's network is 100% digital too. He said that without Verizon's analog roaming agreements they have less digital coverage than Cingular does.
Verizon has 21,000 cell sites.
Cingular has 45,000+ cell sites.
Verizon's network reaches 246 million people.
Cingular's network reaches 270 million people.
Verizon covers 97 of the top 100 markets.
Cingular covers 100 of the top 100 markets.
Verizon can legally make the claim of offering the largest network including analog.
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RUFF1415 said:...Digital Pimp said: NOTICE WHERE IT SAYS 100% digital network.... π³ π³ π³ we just still have analog available for use.
That doesn't prove anything that he was saying wrong.
Cingular's network is 100% digital too. He said that without Verizon's analog roaming agreements they have less digital coverage than Cingular does.
Verizon has 21,000 cell sites.
Cingular has 45,000+ cell sites.
Verizon's network reaches 246 million people.
Cingular's network reaches 270 million people.
Verizon covers 97 of the top 100 markets.
Cingular covers 100 of the top 100 markets.
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Cingular is losing in adds because they're prices are no longer competitive. Their customer satisfaction is slacking mainly because of poor customer service and billing errors. Obviously the poor customer service goes hand in hand with the billing errors, they simply just cannot get them fixed to the liking of the customers, or fixed period. However, their problems are hardly with the network itself. Their network is great, I've used it myself in a lot of places, and I do travel a lot.
Okay, I realize that CDMA cell sites cover a larger area than GSM but not twice as much. Cingular has more than twice as many cell sites as Verizon has, so obviously your argument is pointless.
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Okay, I realize that CDMA cell sites cover a larger area than GSM but not twice as much. Cingular has more than twice as many cell sites as Verizon has, so obviously your argument is pointless.
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Cingular is losing in adds because they're prices are no longer competitive. Their customer satisfaction is slacking mainly because of poor customer service and billing errors. Obviously the poor customer service goes hand in hand with the billing errors, they simply just cannot get them fixed to the liking of the customers, or fixed period. However, their problems are hardly with the network itself. Their network is great, I've used it myself in a lot of places, and I do travel a lot.
Okay, I realize that CDMA cell sites cover a larger area than GSM but not twice as much. Cingular has more than twice as many cell sites as Verizon has, so obviously your argument is pointless.
Cingular's network h
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Digital Pimp said:...RUFF1415 said:
Cingular is losing in adds because they're prices are no longer competitive. Their customer satisfaction is slacking mainly because of poor customer service and billing errors. Obviously the poor customer service goes hand in hand with the billing errors, they simply just cannot get them fixed to the liking of the customers, or fixed period. However, their problems are hardly with the network itself. Their network is great, I've used it myself in a lot of places, and I do travel a lot.
Okay, I realize that CDMA cell sites cover a larger area than GSM but not twice as much. Cingular has more than twice as many cell sites as Verizon has, so obviously your argumen
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Uh, okay? I know that. What does that have to do with anything we have been discussing?
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It's NOT false advertising becuase the statement is true BASED ON VERIZON'S OWN TESTS. Not against the law.
It would be false advertising only if their own tests didn't show that they had the most realiable network. Against the law.
I know Cingular performs their own tests. They publish the results somewhere on their website. I'm going to do some digging to find it soon.
It would be false advertising only if their own tests didn't show that they had the most realiable network. Against the law.
I know Cingular performs their own tests. They publish the results somewhere on their website. I'm going to do some digging to find it soon.
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By the way, I have used Verizon and Cingular also and I travel quite a bit...Cingular has never let me down. π
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By the way, I have used Verizon and Cingular also and I travel quite a bit...Cingular has never let me down. π
I've been using Cellular phones and was a cellular technician for 8 years. π³ The technician part was for 2 years. Been selling Verizon for 4 years. I think my experience by far exceeds yours in using phones.
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Okay, do you even know me? Way to jump to the conclusion that I'm just a consumer. π
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Simple question here becasue I am not sure, but Does Verizon count their extended digital area in those numbers? I don't think they do and a large chunk of our Digital Service is extended coverage off of alltel and what not. Cingular may own the most digital cellsites, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at Cingulars map and then look at Verizon's (red area indicating all digital) and tell who has the largest all digital footprint. Cingular isn't even close? For me I don't really care becasue cingular doesn't work worth a crap were I am, but I was curious about verizon's extended digital service counted in those numbers?
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8 years ago was what? 1997? Or 1998? I've been using cellular phones for as long as you have either way.
First with Bell Atlantic Mobile, then Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and now Cingular. I had tried Nextel once but they were horrible. I've been with all the big guys now with the exception of T-Mobile, so do you really think that your experience exceeds mine in using phones now?
I've had customer service interactions with Bell Atlantic, Verizon, and was forced to drop Sprint. Bell Atlantic was a good company, but their phone service (which was then AMPS) was horrible, but looking back I can see why. When Verizon was created I signed a new plan with CDMA and had them up until 2004. Their service wasn't spectacular as I always had to ...
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First with Bell Atlantic Mobile, then Verizon, Sprint, AT&T, and now Cingular. I had tried Nextel once but they were horrible. I've been with all the big guys now with the exception of T-Mobile, so do you really think that your experience exceeds mine in using phones now?
I've had customer service interactions with Bell Atlantic, Verizon, and was forced to drop Sprint. Bell Atlantic was a good company, but their phone service (which was then AMPS) was horrible, but looking back I can see why. When Verizon was created I signed a new plan with CDMA and had them up until 2004. Their service wasn't spectacular as I always had to ...
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You are right that Cingular won the Wireless Week Carrier of the year. But that was not for customer care or coverage or anything great that they did.....other than smoothly integrating two large companies into one huge company and still keeping some growth mommentum. It was not the network that won the award for them.
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Cingular's network has won many awards that Verizon's has not also. Cingular was Wireless Week Carrier of the Year in 04 and 05, and those are not based on polls and surveys, like J.D. and Consumer Reports are.
So what was the Wireless Week award based on? The magazine's 12 member board voted for Cingular? Could you list the many awards that Cingular's won?
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Cingular is losing in adds because they're prices are no longer competitive. Their customer satisfaction is slacking mainly because of poor customer service and billing errors. Obviously the poor customer service goes hand in hand with the billing errors, they simply just cannot get them fixed to the liking of the customers, or fixed period. However, their problems are hardly with the network itself. Their network is great, I've used it myself in a lot of places, and I do travel a lot.
I dunno, RUFF. βΉοΈ
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BetterThanJake said:...RUFF1415 said:
Cingular is losing in adds because they're prices are no longer competitive. Their customer satisfaction is slacking mainly because of poor customer service and billing errors. Obviously the poor customer service goes hand in hand with the billing errors, they simply just cannot get them fixed to the liking of the customers, or fixed period. However, their problems are hardly with the network itself. Their network is great, I've used it myself in a lot of places, and I do travel a lot.
I dunno, RUFF. βΉοΈ
While I certainly agree with you that Cingy's poor customer service and increased pricing play a big role (going to $14.99 add-a-line on Family
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There is one huge fallacy in that article, which is surprising because it came from a Cingular spokesperson. None of the network is merged yet, whatsoever. They are still two completely different networks, blue and orange. The actuall integration of the networks will be called the gold network, and that won't be happening for awhile. I read somewhere today that the testing of integrations will start in Mississippi at the beginning of July.
All of the said problems might be alleviated when Cingular can get the ball rolling. I'm assuming that they may be waiting so that the integration and release of HSDPA markets coincide, however in my opinion that is just too risky.
All of the said problems might be alleviated when Cingular can get the ball rolling. I'm assuming that they may be waiting so that the integration and release of HSDPA markets coincide, however in my opinion that is just too risky.
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There is one huge fallacy in that article, which is surprising because it came from a Cingular spokesperson. None of the network is merged yet, whatsoever. They are still two completely different networks, blue and orange. The actuall integration of the networks will be called the gold network, and that won't be happening for awhile. I read somewhere today that the testing of integrations will start in Mississippi at the beginning of July.
All of the said problems might be alleviated when Cingular can get the ball rolling. I'm assuming that they may be waiting so that the integration and release of HSDPA markets coincide, however in my opinion that is just too risky.
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I don't know about all that. I was down in Oklahoma this past weekend. Rural area, about 30 miles from Talequah.
My Cingular GSM phone was the only one that had service. Those who had Sprint or Verizon were SOL.
My Cingular GSM phone was the only one that had service. Those who had Sprint or Verizon were SOL.
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One of the funny things I find about Cing coverage maps if the area that they have shaded and it says 'future coverage' WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? Just print a map of the US and shade in the whole country and label it "future coverage"
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