I like Sprint and hate Verizon, but the old "we can roam on Verizon so why pay more argument doesn't wash. I run the lower 48 and my co-driver has Sprint and I have Verizon. I have to stifle my chuckles at the places he can't use his phone and I can. Plus Sprint only has data roaming in the old Alltel markets so that's a no go. Verizon's Rev A is slower but quite expansive. Verizon has coverage and good customer service. If one lives and works in a metropolitan area and does not need rural coverage I'd say go with Sprint hands down. Otherwise...Verizon followed by AT&T. And that was before AT&T gained those divested Alltel properties out west.

Stop spreading a lie:

Let's look at why it mattes more for sprint than for any other carrier:

1- You offer unlimited any mobile minutes. This is a GREAT promotion, but Any Mobile WILL NOT WORK while roaming.
2-Most of your roaming agreements, with the exception of some Alltel areas, are for 1xRTT ONLY, not for higher 3g speeds and certainly not for LTE when it rolls out.
3. Sprint has LISTED caps about roaming. For minutes it is % based and for data it is 500MB (with an exception for business liable customers). This includes devices that pay the $10 premium access fee.
4. Your roaming ONLY is on select towers, not all of them. If sprint has a tower in the area it will ALWAYS seek that tower instead of a roaming tower, even if ...
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Well said.

I would like to add that when my ex and I lived together and she would drift into roaming on Verizon EVEN THOUGH they gave her "free" roaming she did not get her Sprint to Sprint while roaming. That bill was a shocker. 🙄 To Sprint's credit, they did take care of those overages she incurred and made her promise to never do it again. 🤣

vercetti said:
(due to their measly 30MZH of spectrum for LTE).

Congratulations, you know NOTHING about RF engineering!

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

I will spare you the technobabble and refer you to a few tables on wikipedia that may not be completely accurate, but are at least good enough to get the point across:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_concepts#Cellu » ... »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands#GSM » ... »

Table one basically shows that to cover a large land mass, ONE cell tower in a (theoretical) 450 MHz band covers as much area as building SIXTEEN cell towers in the 2100 MHz band. Therefore, building out a

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I'd love to show him what some amateur radio operators have done with a measly 0.05MHz on the 30 meter band (that's 10.1MHz to 10.15MHz), or the 60 meter band where they're allowed to use only five distinct 2.8kHz spaces between 5330.5MHz and 5403.5MHz. And that's on HF frequencies. VHF frequencies, like the ones used in the cellular band plans, are highly customizable and very efficient, both for ham radio as well as cellular radio.

Your basic argument actually flies in the face of mine. It is possible to have very, very high data rates in UHF bands. The issue is that 5GHz+ spectrum is that they are highly directional. You can get signals like that to bounce off the moon an back at really high throughput but they're useless for cellular because if you move more than 5 or 10 radial degrees from the tower, you drop the connection.

That's the problem with the higher bands. At CTIA this week Mr. Saw shared that Clear uses microwave backhaul for over 90% of their data traffic.

That's because they own gobs and gobs of microwave spectrum that's completely useless for "mobile" deployment. The only thing they can do with it is use it for backhaul.

My point was that very interesting things can be done with minimal spectrum.

*Clears throat* Get off him! Get off him! There is such a thing as overkill you know.

Azeron said:
*Clears throat* Get off him! Get off him! There is such a thing as overkill you know.

Heh... How fitting that I wrote this up just before stepping into this forum to hear you complaining about me!

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

vercetti said:
Matt, the Droid X has one "0" awards, the Evo won 2..

LOL..I don't give a rat's @ss about "awards" given to phones. IMO that's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. You suggested that all Verizon phones are "crippled". My X is a full featured, pro-level phone with superb build-quality. It does everything really well. Since you seem to give so much credibility to tests and surveys, what about all the ones that continually put Verizon on top?

The DroidX just won the "Epik Award."

I just put it in the mail.

When I consider comparing the DroidX and other phones to something like the iPhone, I wonder which would be seen as the crippled phone.

epik said:
The DroidX just won the "Epik Award."

I just put it in the mail.

When I consider comparing the DroidX and other phones to something like the iPhone, I wonder which would be seen as the crippled phone.

LOL...Good point!

I would like to point out I am bias in this conversation...lol I work for sprint and got screwed by verizon as they charged me for 2 months for 2 share plans when I only had two lines, they refused a refund so i paid my $300 2 month bill and $350.00 in ETF's for 2 lines.....ouch!

Obviously I don't know anything about your situation with Verizon, but there is no way I would have agreed to pay an inaccurate bill. That's something you should have been able to prove.

I've seen Verizon's system glitch this up one in seven years, and it was my own customer back in 2004. Sure, it became a hassle for the guy, and it escalated to my district manager at the time, but someone figured out the mess and fixed it. Problem solves. The problem wouldn't have gotten far if the customer had just come back to see me instead of calling customer care.

Even a crooked rep who did such a thing on purpose would know his commission is going to be yanked, so there's no incentive to ignore the problem except to save face and avoid confrontation. Still, once the problem is found and solved, the rep would still be facing a commission pull as well as possible disciplinary action.

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The only smartphone they "cripple" with GPS is the Palm Pre Plus. All other devices can get other (free) navigation programs.

They don't have a front facing camera because front facing camera's are a novelty. They're not new, they're not unique, they've been around since the 80's. Also, NO ONE CARED about front facing camera's until the iphone launched. Yes, the Evo had it in the US first, but no one cared about it.

You want to know why? Because sprint's marketing team should be fired. Every last one of them.

Sprint has NO ONE to blaim for their current situation but themselves/

No one cares about Sprints coverage or call quality because SPRINT doesn't advertise it. No one Cares about sprint's improved customer service or ...
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DiamondPro said:
Its very legitamate I don't understand why people pay more for less.

Obviously you didn't read my reply. In my self example I specifically said that there aren't any other service providers that matched all my needs that were less expensive, including Sprint! So you can't just make a blanket statement saying people "pay more for less" because I'm sure I'm not the only one that finds it's not more expensive than what others offer.

DiamondPro said:
I've done the research and the only thing I can come up with is location. If you dont have good Sprint coverage Verizon would be a great option but in the city if you don't travel often I can't see Verizon as a top pick.

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name a phone on a prepay company or regional carrier that can stand up to a droid x,tmobile g2, or a htc evo

I can't, hence my exclusion of regional and prepay companies in my comment.

I said:

These days, most every carrier, save some regionals or prepay, have very good phones.

In the English language, "save" may be used in the same context as "except."

So if I rewrite my comment for you:

These days, most every carrier, EXCEPT some regionals or prepay, have very good phones.

If I reverse the wording of the sentence I could have written:

All carriers, except regional and prepay ones, have very good phones these days.

I chose a more proper route. I apologize for the confusion this may have caused, and I hope that this clears things up for you.

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🙂 HILARIOUS!