yeah, CDMA Motorolas are generally junk

But they're gettin' better. Friend has a Moto V265, and its working well for her. 🙂

They generally seem to be fairly expensive but they are way off compared to LG and Samsung as far as quality goes

wfine81 said:
yeah, CDMA Motorolas are generally junk

If I'm not mistaken that is because they use their own chip set and not Qualcoms. Again, I could be mistaken.

No Nokia uses their own, Motos are qualcom

nokia will soon use qualcomm's chips with the new DO phones. (i belive)


https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1153 »

"Korean phone maker SK Teletech today revealed it has signed a preliminary agreement to supply Nokia with CDMA EV-DO phones on an ODM basis. Developed and manufactured by SK Teletech, but branded by Nokia, the phones will allow Nokia to add EV-DO technology to its lineup much faster than it could on its own. The phones are expected to use Qualcomm chips, a major strategy shift for Nokia, which is currently the only major manufacturer to completely avoid Qualcomm, instead creating its own CDMA chips. Nokia's previously-announced strategy was to skip EV-DO technology in favor of EV-DV. Over the past several years, the...
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nextel18 said:
nokia will soon use qualcomm's chips with the new DO phones. (i belive)


https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1153 »

"Korean phone maker SK Teletech today revealed it has signed a preliminary agreement to supply Nokia with CDMA EV-DO phones on an ODM basis. Developed and manufactured by SK Teletech, but branded by Nokia, the phones will allow Nokia to add EV-DO technology to its lineup much faster than it could on its own. The phones are expected to use Qualcomm chips, a major strategy shift for Nokia, which is currently the only major manufacturer to completely avoid Qualcomm, instead creating its own CDMA chips. Nokia's previously-announced strategy was to skip EV-DO technology in favor of EV-D

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nah, nokia and stm wont go to TI. TI isnt in the same league as qualcomm is, becuase qualcomm is a lot better. they will stick with and go with qcom.

nextel18 said:
nah, nokia and stm wont go to TI. TI isnt in the same league as qualcomm is, becuase qualcomm is a lot better. they will stick with and go with qcom.

Well, actually you're very wrong there. Nokia is in the middle of a blossoming deal with STM and TI in regards to CDMA chipsets. The only reason Nokia decided to go with an ODM manufacturer was because they got caught with their pants down in regards to EV DV.

"Nokia is in the middle of a blossoming deal with STM and TI in regards to CDMA chipsets. "

can you prove that? if that is the case, then it doesnt matter. qualcomm has basically a great market share anyway with DO especially soon with wcdma.

nextel18 said:
"Nokia is in the middle of a blossoming deal with STM and TI in regards to CDMA chipsets. "

can you prove that? if that is the case, then it doesnt matter. qualcomm has basically a great market share anyway with DO especially soon with wcdma.

What are you talking about? Everybody here knows about Nokia's deal with STM and TI for CDMA chipsets. Don't you recall the article Rich posted on the homepage? I know Qualcomm is CDMA king.

can you post it then please. i guess, maybe i missed it. thanks.

nextel18 said:
can you post it then please. i guess, maybe i missed it. thanks.

I'm sure it's in the archives. They're pretty fun to search as you come across some pretty cool articles.

again, when you post a fact i expect you to back it up. so please post a link. thanks.

nextel18 said:
again, when you post a fact i expect you to back it up. so please post a link. thanks.

So you don't believe that Nokia has a deal with STM and TI even after I've posted that Rich said this himself on the homepage? What do I have to gain by lying? You don't have to search it out if you don't want to. I'm just telling you this information is not false.

again, POST THE LINK. you could have posted the link 500 hours ago by now.

nextel18 said:
again, POST THE LINK. you could have posted the link 500 hours ago by now.

That link is buried within the homepage archives. Maybe Rich will see my post and confirm the news he posted on the subject. If you want to believe STM and TI don't have any kind of deal with Nokia, so be it.

i dont understand how difficult it is to actually locate the link and post it, especially if you say something.

nextel18 said:
i dont understand how difficult it is to actually locate the link and post it, especially if you say something.

Nextel, buddy...there's no need to demand a link for everything you read. It's old news on this site...but it doesn't really bother me if you don't want to believe it. It's no problem.

lol.. the funny thing is.. you could have already posted that link by now. i dont see how hard it is to post it.

nextel18 said:
lol.. the funny thing is.. you could have already posted that link by now. i dont see how hard it is to post it.

I tried looking for it. It's buried too deep and I don't remember what date it was posted on. If you ask Rich I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you. I'm not making this up you know. The STM/TI/Nokia deal was big bucks.

i never said you were makign it up... i just said search for it. it will take 2 seconds out of your time. i dont see the big deal.

nextel18 said:
i never said you were makign it up... i just said search for it. it will take 2 seconds out of your time. i dont see the big deal.

If there's going to be any kind of trust between us you'll have to take my word.

i cant take anyone's word when you have been wrong a lot. (esp with your promises)

thank you 🙂

nextel18 said:
thank you 🙂

Geeze.

much, i dont see how hard that was to do.

nextel18 said:
much, i dont see how hard that was to do.

I didn't really feel like catering to your need for proof. Nor did I feel like I should have to. Nextel, this bit of information was readily available back when you were a member. Rich himself posted the article on the homepage. If he popped in I'm sure he'd tell you "Yeah, I posted the article". Hellomoto probably got sick of us bickering back and forth about it.

well, if you say something, you should back it up. everyone asks me and tells me to do that, and i do, but you dont and you get away with it? lol.. thats funny.

nextel18 said:
well, if you say something, you should back it up. everyone asks me and tells me to do that, and i do, but you dont and you get away with it? lol.. thats funny.

That's just it. I'm not trying to get away with anything. I told you about the Nokia deal. You didn't believe me. And Hellomoto proved I was telling the truth.

but, why couldnt you?

nextel18 said:
but, why couldnt you?

Because I didn't feel it was needed. Everyone else in this forum can remember the article Rich posted. You're just trying to make me angry.

make you angry? i am just asking you how hard it was to post a link? you said something, you said a fact, i wanted you to back it up. how hard is that for one to do?

nextel18 said:
make you angry? i am just asking you how hard it was to post a link? you said something, you said a fact, i wanted you to back it up. how hard is that for one to do?

Why on earth do I need to back it up when it's true. Do you understand that it's true?

well if you say something is true, but not providing any facts to back it up people will think its false. (which i do till someone proves it)

nextel18 said:
well if you say something is true, but not providing any facts to back it up people will think its false. (which i do till someone proves it)

So everything everyone tells you is false until they back it up with proof? Again, why would I make up something that anybody on this entire forum could easily disprove? Man, you gotta cut me a little slack here. Like I said, I've nothing to gain by lying to you.

"So everything everyone tells you is false until they back it up with proof? "

exactly. i ask people to back up their assessments. for example i asked frog why he said that push to talk growth and broadband growth is slowing and not popular and he couldnt prove it, while i proved that is very popular. thus; his theory is shot. (same with a few others, however, i dont remember what they were about)

"why would I make up something that anybody on this entire forum could easily disprove? "

shows a lack of intelligence for the wireless industry?

"Man, you gotta cut me a little slack here. Like I said, I've nothing to gain by lying to you."

and i am not accusing you of anything, so stop saying the "lying" part.

nextel18 said:
"So everything everyone tells you is false until they back it up with proof? "

exactly. i ask people to back up their assessments. for example i asked frog why he said that push to talk growth and broadband growth is slowing and not popular and he couldnt prove it, while i proved that is very popular. thus; his theory is shot. (same with a few others, however, i dont remember what they were about)

"why would I make up something that anybody on this entire forum could easily disprove? "

shows a lack of intelligence for the wireless industry?

"Man, you gotta cut me a little slack here. Like I said, I've nothing to gain by lying to you."

and i am not accusing you of anything, so stop saying th

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alright. fyi, nokia uses chipsets from qualcomm.

nextel18 said:
alright. fyi, nokia uses chipsets from qualcomm.

I'm not exactly sure if Nokia uses Qualcomm chipsets or not, but I AM aware that Nokia has a manufacturing deal with STM and TI to make proprietary CDMA chipsets for Nokia handsets. And that's the God honest truth.

alright if you think so. by the way i am telling you nokia gets qualcomm's chipsets for cdma.

" proprietary CDMA chipsets "

do you know what chipsets becuase qcom owns almost all the patents?

nextel18 said:
alright if you think so. by the way i am telling you nokia gets qualcomm's chipsets for cdma.

" proprietary CDMA chipsets "

do you know what chipsets becuase qcom owns almost all the patents?

What chipsets? No. I don't know what chipsets. They're designed and built by TI and STM for Nokia handsets. CDMA, I mean. And, hey, you know what? I'm not going to ask you to prove to me that Nokia uses Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA. See? Civility. We just disagree.

"What chipsets? No. I don't know what chipsets"

why not?

"And, hey, you know what? I'm not going to ask you to prove to me that Nokia uses Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA."

lol ok.

http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/licensing.html »

it says there that

Subscriber Equipment
NOKIA Corporation


Infrastructure
NOKIA Corporation

"The following table lists the majority of QUALCOMM's current authorized CDMA suppliers that have rights under some or all of QUALCOMM's patent portfolio. In each case, limitations may apply as to the products and/or technologies that are authorized:"

nextel18 said:
"What chipsets? No. I don't know what chipsets"

why not?

"And, hey, you know what? I'm not going to ask you to prove to me that Nokia uses Qualcomm chipsets for CDMA."

lol ok.

http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/licensing.html »

it says there that

Subscriber Equipment
NOKIA Corporation


Infrastructure
NOKIA Corporation

"The following table lists the majority of QUALCOMM's current authorized CDMA suppliers that have rights under some or all of QUALCOMM's patent portfolio. In each case, limitations may apply as to the products and/or technologies that are authorized:"

Hey, I didn't say that STM and TI manufacture ALL of Nokia's CDMA chipsets. I just said they have a deal ...
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alrighty... i posted it becuase i wanted to show you.

nextel18 said:
alrighty... i posted it becuase i wanted to show you.

Show me what? We were talking about STM and TI. Not Qualcomm.

no i wanted to post you that qualcomm deals with nokia and TI.

nextel18 said:
no i wanted to post you that qualcomm deals with nokia and TI.

Oh, for God's sake. I can't talk to you about anything.

lol... then stop posting to me lol.. you arent understanding the wireless industry.

nextel18 said:
lol... then stop posting to me lol.. you arent understanding the wireless industry.

I thought we were going to be civil?

we are civil.

nextel18 said:
we are civil.

Telling someone they have no understanding of anything on this website over and over and over is civil? Why don't you just call me an asshole and get it over with?

saying to someone they dont understand something isnt rude, especially if its true. you say things that you think are true, but common sense will say other things.

nextel18 said:
saying to someone they dont understand something isnt rude, especially if its true. you say things that you think are true, but common sense will say other things.

So now I don't have any common sense? You know, sometimes I wonder what you come on this site for. Personally, I like the people on this board, and I like interacting with them. For the most part they're friendly, knowledgeable, and help me get through the day and do away with a little stress. I have to interact with these folks every day, so I make an attempt to be civil, and even funny when I can be. Wouldn't things be so much nicer if everyone was this way? Am I making any headway here?

i am saying people have common sense can think if you upgrade software it will IMPROVE service. i am trying to teach you something.

nextel18 said:
i am saying people have common sense can think if you upgrade software it will IMPROVE service. i am trying to teach you something.

You're trying to teach me something. How presumptuous and arrogant. Upgrading software will cause problems here and there. Nextel's not exception.

not with the 6:1 and widen. i dont like to repeat myself, but i will do it for you..

widen increase speeds and increases capacity on the data side, which allows more users on it becuase it increases bandwidth and capacity (already mentioned).

the 6:1 voice coder on the interconnect side, becuase 6:1 is already on the DC side, makes sure that you will have more capacity on the voice side. 6:1 voice coder basically allows 6 calls on one channel, the previous 3:1 obviously does 3 for one channel.

nextel18 said:
not with the 6:1 and widen. i dont like to repeat myself, but i will do it for you..

widen increase speeds and increases capacity on the data side, which allows more users on it becuase it increases bandwidth and capacity (already mentioned).

the 6:1 voice coder on the interconnect side, becuase 6:1 is already on the DC side, makes sure that you will have more capacity on the voice side. 6:1 voice coder basically allows 6 calls on one channel, the previous 3:1 obviously does 3 for one channel.

Great job copying that from whatever whitesheet you're looking at...but I'm talking about the actual implementation of the upgrade. Not the upgrade itself. I know what WiDen was made to do. I'm tal...
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no sorry. i am not copying anything. i know what i am talking about, but YOU DONT.

"I'm talking about whether installing it caused problems with Nextle's service."

WRONG!!! it would help it... how many times do i have to explain something?

nextel18 said:
no sorry. i am not copying anything. i know what i am talking about, but YOU DONT.

"I'm talking about whether installing it caused problems with Nextle's service."

WRONG!!! it would help it... how many times do i have to explain something?

Nextel forum.

here is an article for you by the way...

http://www.dataweek.co.za/regular.asp?pklRegularID=6 ... »

"Nokia and Qualcomm have expanded the terms of their existing code-division multiple access (CDMA) technology cross-licensing agreement. Under the terms, Qualcomm has been granted rights under Nokia's CDMA-related patents to market and sell CDMA components, including multimode integrated circuits. Nokia has been granted a royalty-bearing licence under Qualcomm's patents to make and sell infrastructure equipment based on CDMA technology. "

nextel18 said:
here is an article for you by the way...

http://www.dataweek.co.za/regular.asp?pklRegularID=6 ... »

"Nokia and Qualcomm have expanded the terms of their existing code-division multiple access (CDMA) technology cross-licensing agreement. Under the terms, Qualcomm has been granted rights under Nokia's CDMA-related patents to market and sell CDMA components, including multimode integrated circuits. Nokia has been granted a royalty-bearing licence under Qualcomm's patents to make and sell infrastructure equipment based on CDMA technology. "

And again, you fail to realize what I said. Qualcomm may make CDMA chipsets for Nokia, but so does STM and TI.

"Qualcomm may make CDMA chipsets for Nokia, but so does STM and TI."

yep, but qcom has a huge market share on cdma, and soon will get a lot of market share with wcdma(umts)/ hsdpa.

nextel18 said:
"Qualcomm may make CDMA chipsets for Nokia, but so does STM and TI."

yep, but qcom has a huge market share on cdma, and soon will get a lot of market share with wcdma(umts)/ hsdpa.

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT QUALCOMM OR UMTS OR WCDMA. Geeze. The conversation was about STM and TI...I didn't say "Qualcomm does NOT make CDMA chipsets". Geeze, man. Stay on topic.

i am on the topic. TI and Qcom share cdma chipsets and patents.

i cant wait with TI and Qcom with regarding umts. by the way i dont care for STM. TI and Qcom are way better. i dont like to look at laggards.

nextel18 said:
i am on the topic. TI and Qcom share cdma chipsets and patents.

i cant wait with TI and Qcom with regarding umts. by the way i dont care for STM. TI and Qcom are way better. i dont like to look at laggards.

You don't like to look at laggards? How is STM a laggard?

compare it to qcom and TI.

nextel18 said:
compare it to qcom and TI.

Okay. What am I comparing?

compare STM's cash, debt, earnings, net income, revenue, market share, and patent portfolio etc...

i would rather put txn and qcom in the same area then qcom and ti in the same area as STM.

nextel18 said:
compare STM's cash, debt, earnings, net income, revenue, market share, and patent portfolio etc...

i would rather put txn and qcom in the same area then qcom and ti in the same area as STM.

Well how's this for proof that STM sucks: Nokia's handsets for Verizon continuously display better RF than other models.

"Well how's this for proof that STM sucks: Nokia's handsets for Verizon continuously display better RF than other models."

lol. that is not proof that STM sucks lol..

nokia and motorola are doing very well.

nextel18 said:
"Well how's this for proof that STM sucks: Nokia's handsets for Verizon continuously display better RF than other models."

lol. that is not proof that STM sucks lol..

nokia and motorola are doing very well.

Geeze, man...right over your head.

oh well.

qualcomm supplies motorola chips.

really? i had troubles with my motorola gsm phone that i used to have, and with the the cdma phone i used to have worked better. also, my motorola nextel phones worked better then the gsm phone. oh well.

nextel18 said:
really? i had troubles with my motorola gsm phone that i used to have, and with the the cdma phone i used to have worked better. also, my motorola nextel phones worked better then the gsm phone. oh well.

That's okay. You didn't know the history of Moto's CDMA handsets.

doesnt matter. its about the future. plus i had motorolas for a long time. worked fine for me.

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
really? i had troubles with my motorola gsm phone that i used to have, and with the the cdma phone i used to have worked better. also, my motorola nextel phones worked better then the gsm phone. oh well.

That's okay. You didn't know the history of Moto's CDMA handsets.

Well, sure it matters. We were having a discussion about the history of Motorola CDMA handsets. Historically, Moto has delivered CDMA phones that do weird things. Aren't you aware of Sprint's frosty relationship with Moto?

i already answered that question. you know it and i do, that they have problems, but same with nextel and motorola. doesnt mean that nextel will stop the relationship. why i say that nextel and motorola have been at awe with each other is becuase of the delaying in the 6:1 voice coder, some phones, and WIden. doesnt mean that nextel will say to motorola stop being our sole manufacturer. by the way, just becuase they have a bad relationship doesnt mean there wont be one in the future. especially since dual phones will be involved with the merger, motorola will play a huge part in this.

nextel18 said:
i already answered that question.

There's no need to be rude. I was just mentioning that we were talking about the past and not the future. To this day Motorola has made its most reliable handsets for Nextel. Every other carrier has experienced problems ranging from poor implementation of software/firmware and shoddy workmanship, to quirks that leave consumers stumped.

i wasnt rude. i was just stating i already answered the question.

i never said anything about the MPX. motorola has great reception with a lot of their phones. (i have nextel, who motorola supplies to and i dont have a problem with them)

nextel18 said:
i never said anything about the MPX. motorola has great reception with a lot of their phones. (i have nextel, who motorola supplies to and i dont have a problem with them)

Right. Because for the last few years, Nextel has been the only carrier to receive relatively quirk free handsets from Motorola.

yep. alright.

nextel18 said:
yep. alright.

You agree with me?

i didnt read it. so i said "yep. alright"

nextel18 said:
i didnt read it. so i said "yep. alright"

You didn't read the post but you answered it anyway?

yep....