Verizon Still And Always Will Be The Best
Verizon wireless is and will always be the best. It is a fact that verizon has more towers in the united states currently, and come on do you think its gonna get worse. I have seen the new push to talk and had a chance to use it and it is fast. As far as the "New Cingular" its just gonna be a matter of time for verizon to dominate the market again, and eventually the push to talk!
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Are you sure VZW has more towers than Cingular now that they have all of the ATT towers??? I like Verizon and believe in their company but I could swear hearing that Cingular now has more towers.
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Cingular does have more towers.
Remember reading in a CDMA vs GSM thread that Cingular has 2-3x the towers of Verizon.
Which of course being and CDMA vs GSM thread started the whole "CDMA can handle more people at the same time stuff so Verizon doesn't need as many towers"
*Shrugs*
Just what I remember. Could be wrong.
Remember reading in a CDMA vs GSM thread that Cingular has 2-3x the towers of Verizon.
Which of course being and CDMA vs GSM thread started the whole "CDMA can handle more people at the same time stuff so Verizon doesn't need as many towers"
*Shrugs*
Just what I remember. Could be wrong.
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verizon has= 21,000 cell sites
cingular= 45,000 cell sites (This cell site count excludes over 5,000 cell sites sold to T-Mobile related to the sale of the California and Nevada Cingular network on January 5, 2005. )
hope that helps.
(sources= their websites and on their 10k)
cingular= 45,000 cell sites (This cell site count excludes over 5,000 cell sites sold to T-Mobile related to the sale of the California and Nevada Cingular network on January 5, 2005. )
hope that helps.
(sources= their websites and on their 10k)
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no problem. I keep it real with pure evidence and especially numbers. the other day/s I made my case that nextel/sprint outpaced verizon in 2004 with subscriber numbers.
that's what it is about because you can not disagree with numbers and facts.
you are welcome. 🙂
that's what it is about because you can not disagree with numbers and facts.
you are welcome. 🙂
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The last number I saw showed Cingular with a few more towers maybe a few hundred which in a nationwide network is miniscule. Keep in mind that more of Cingulars licenses are 1900MHZ than Verizon's and it takes 2-3 more of those towers to provide the same coverage as 1 cellular tower. Verizon is opening new markets in 14 Western states so that will change things as well. Verizon is also more liquid at this time than their competion so they can afford to accelerate tower building programs.
At this time Verizon is the favorite carrier among consumers but it could change with a few bad business decisions. By bad business decisions I mean things like shipping their customer service overseas or cutting call center staff or coming out with misle...
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At this time Verizon is the favorite carrier among consumers but it could change with a few bad business decisions. By bad business decisions I mean things like shipping their customer service overseas or cutting call center staff or coming out with misle...
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I don't belive that verizon has any towers that's on the 1.9ghz spectrum band. I know that they have plenty of 800mhz and many towers on that spectrum. obviously verizon has been doing some 1.9ghz spending and that maybe they will be adding some equipment onto their existing towers for the DO system.
yea, same with verizon and nextel. they both have no problems renewing contracts because of their lifetime revenue per user numbers and churn numbers.
I also don't like verizon's business practices with their problems with their blue tooth phones (or lack there of) and small lawsuits that are going on. latest I have heard was that the IN network is still under investigation. we will see what happens.
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yea, same with verizon and nextel. they both have no problems renewing contracts because of their lifetime revenue per user numbers and churn numbers.
I also don't like verizon's business practices with their problems with their blue tooth phones (or lack there of) and small lawsuits that are going on. latest I have heard was that the IN network is still under investigation. we will see what happens.
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nextel18 said:Wrong. Again.
I don't belive that verizon has any towers that's on the 1.9ghz spectrum band.
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notice how you copy and paste only a few things that i said not a lot of things that i have said... previously to their 1.9ghz spending they dont have any on the 1.9ghz becuase they didnt own any 1.9ghz spectrum..
anyway if i am wrong please prove it.
anyway if i am wrong please prove it.
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nextel18 said:Verizon does operate on the 1900mhz band in parts of the country.
sir, you said that my statment isnt true. if it isnt please prove it.
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can you prove that please? (and i am talking about their prespending with 1.9ghz of spectrum)
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nextel18 said:Right now...as we speak...Verizon is operating on 1900mhz in some parts of the country. There's nothing to prove.
can you prove that please? (and i am talking about their prespending with 1.9ghz of spectrum)
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of course there is something to prove. find an article, or look in their 10k or 10q's and show me where it says that they operate in the 1.9ghz band. (again, i am talking about just for the voice side, not for the data side with EV DO.)
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nextel18 said:Verizon operates on the 1900mhz band in some parts of the country. There's nothing to prove.
of course there is something to prove. find an article, or look in their 10k or 10q's and show me where it says that they operate in the 1.9ghz band. (again, i am talking about just for the voice side, not for the data side with EV DO.)
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nextel18 said:IT'S RIGHT UNDER "CARRIERS" ON THIS VERY WEBSITE! YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BE THAT BLIND.
again, prove it. links and from the 10k would be appreciated.
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see, how hard was it to say that. you have to resort to name calling too? quite pathetic.
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nextel18 said:You wanted quotes from Verizon's 10k page? It's right here on the site...you'd have to be blind to miss it.
see, how hard was it to say that. you have to resort to name calling too? quite pathetic.
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i would rather look at the 10k and 10q's the this website with the information about spectrum and towers and things of that nature.
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nextel18 said:So let me get this straight. You'd rather go pouring over documents buried in Verizon's website, than click on "Carriers" on this site...with Rich writing the perfect explanation of how Verizon indeed uses the PCS band? Riiiiiiiiight.
i would rather look at the 10k and 10q's the this website with the information about spectrum and towers and things of that nature.
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yep. if its from the web site and their 10k and q it might be more accurate then Rich's profile of that company.
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nextel18 said:What the hell is more accurate than "Verizon Wireless
yep. if its from the web site and their 10k and q it might be more accurate then Rich's profile of that company.
Verizon Wireless was formed by the merger of Bell Atlantic Mobile, Vodafone/Airtouch Cellular, GTE Wireless and PrimeCo. Most of their territory employs CDMA 1xRTT digital technology, in both the cellular and PCS bands. They also own significant analog networks. They are currently deploying 1xEV-DO technology in many areas, which offers data rates averaging around 300-500 kbps. And why would you go looking for that info elsewhere when you're posting on a cellular website? You think Rich makes this stuff up? If you ...
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no, Rich makes no stuff up, however, he could be mistaken sometimes it can happen to the best of us.
i was talking about the pcs band with voice, not with data. i know that they do it with data especially with DO, but not with voice.
i was talking about the pcs band with voice, not with data. i know that they do it with data especially with DO, but not with voice.
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nextel18 said:You didn't make that distinction at all. In the first post on this topic, you stated that Verizon didn't use 1900mhz at all. End of story.
no, Rich makes no stuff up, however, he could be mistaken sometimes it can happen to the best of us.
i was talking about the pcs band with voice, not with data. i know that they do it with data especially with DO, but not with voice.
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then i mentioned that i wanted you to prove it just for voice, not for data. i obviously know that they are using it for data becuase they are using DO.
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nextel18 said:I love how you mention, in hindsight, what you REALLY meant after saying just the opposite...that Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz at all.
then i mentioned that i wanted you to prove it just for voice, not for data. i obviously know that they are using it for data becuase they are using DO.
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nextel18 said:Now you're talking about that. When you first mentioned it, all you said was "Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz". You've got to learn to clarify buddy.
well again, i am talking about THE VOICE SIDE, not the DATA side.
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i have been talking about that for many of posts now, stick with it. if you looked at my other posts i started to mention about 1.9ghz and data, not voice.
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nextel18 said:But you simply stated "Verizon does not use 1900mhz".
i have been talking about that for many of posts now, stick with it. if you looked at my other posts i started to mention about 1.9ghz and data, not voice.
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can you get past that line? look on other posts and you can see that i changed it also.
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nextel18 said:Changed what? Changed your tune AFTER on other posts? Yeah, I see that. But your original post still reads "Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz".
can you get past that line? look on other posts and you can see that i changed it also.
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alright, but again, i changed what i was saying. go beyond "verizon doesnt use 1.9ghz".
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nextel18 said:Why go beyond it when that's what you said? I just called you on it and proved you wrong. Just like Nextel doesn't own Qchat.
alright, but again, i changed what i was saying. go beyond "verizon doesnt use 1.9ghz".
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you didnt prove anything. i said i changed what i have said, and you are going from the first post i have ever said about that topic. i didnt just say that, i said many things associated to the 1.9 and voice and data. read, look. i also said that nextel has exclusive rights, which can mean that they own qchat for a certain period of time.
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nextel18 said:You said "Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz". You also said "Nextel owns Qchat". Licensing a product is completely different from owning the patents. Why don't you define latency for me again. 😉
you didnt prove anything. i said i changed what i have said, and you are going from the first post i have ever said about that topic. i didnt just say that, i said many things associated to the 1.9 and voice and data. read, look. i also said that nextel has exclusive rights, which can mean that they own qchat for a certain period of time.
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i said more than just "verizon doesnt use 1900mhz and "nextel owns qchat" but you cant read the other posts that i have made. READ it then say what you want.
the thing is.. you dont know anything about the wireless industry. i know what latency means, but you didnt.
the thing is.. you dont know anything about the wireless industry. i know what latency means, but you didnt.
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nextel18 said:Would you like a dead on definition of what latency means? Here it is: In general, the period of time that one component in a system is spinning its wheels waiting for another component. Latency, therefore, is wasted time. There you go...dead on. By the way. You did say "Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz on it's towers" and "Nextel owns Qchat".
i said more than just "verizon doesnt use 1900mhz and "nextel owns qchat" but you cant read the other posts that i have made. READ it then say what you want.
the thing is.. you dont know anything about the wireless industry. i know what latency means, but you didnt.
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wow, your mind is stuck in the gutter in the first gear. again, i said more then "verizon doesnt use 1900 on its towers" and "nextel owns qchat".. seems to me that you cant go to the 2nd gear and move up.
too bad.
too bad.
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nextel18 said:
sir, you said that my statment isnt true. if it isnt, please prove it.
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muchdrama said:nextel18 said:Wrong. Again.
I don't belive that verizon has any towers that's on the 1.9ghz spectrum band.
Anything that used to be Primeco is 1.9, areas such as Wisconsin, Louisiana, Dallas TX just to name a few. The U.S. Cellular market in Chicago was sold but VZW retained 10mhz of that in 1.9 as well. I think that all of the areas they offer EV DO are on 1.9 also such as the entire state of Florida.
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bigdaddyjay said:Well, hell Dad. At least you had the foresight to actually do a little digging before you spoke. Nice.muchdrama said:nextel18 said:Wrong. Again.
I don't belive that verizon has any towers that's on the 1.9ghz spectrum band.
Anything that used to be Primeco is 1.9, areas such as Wisconsin, Louisiana, Dallas TX just to name a few. The U.S. Cellular market in Chicago was sold but VZW retained 10mhz of that in 1.9 as well. I think that all of the areas they offer EV DO are on 1.9 also such as the entire state of Florida.
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bigdaddyjay said:
Are you sure VZW has more towers than Cingular now that they have all of the ATT towers??? I like Verizon and believe in their company but I could swear hearing that Cingular now has more towers.
Cingular now has far more towers with the aquisition of ATT Wireless. Vzw has just over 26,500 towers, and Cingy has over 40,000 towers (which will be consolidated as there are many redundant towers). Which network is run better is another story, but the main thread is dead wrong, VzW has far less towers than Cingular, in fact.
~Steve
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yea, you are right. actually verizon has 21,000 cell sites and cingular has 45,000 cell sites minus 5,000 cell sites they had to sell to tmobile as well as other divestitures that they had to do becuase of the merger.
so verizon= 21,000
cingular= under 40,000 (becuase of divestitures)
better network? i would have to say verizon. their churn and their total net adds say that and their 5-6 billion dollars of spending on capex per year as well as very good rankings and other rewards by jd power associates and others.
so verizon= 21,000
cingular= under 40,000 (becuase of divestitures)
better network? i would have to say verizon. their churn and their total net adds say that and their 5-6 billion dollars of spending on capex per year as well as very good rankings and other rewards by jd power associates and others.
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Cingular has over 41,000 cell sites.
Verizon has (as of end of 2004) around 21,500 cell sites.
If you want the links I have them.
Know that facts before you start making an idiot out of yourself.
Verizon has (as of end of 2004) around 21,500 cell sites.
If you want the links I have them.
Know that facts before you start making an idiot out of yourself.
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The guy who posted the main thread seems like a Pro-Verizon kingfrog. He makes stupid statements just to annoy people. He is just probably testing his trolling out here in the VZW forum before he starts trolling and terrorizing other forums.
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So because there isn't a Cingular tower near you, Cingular's entire coverage sucks? That's humorous. 🤣
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RUFF1415 said:
So because there isn't a Cingular tower near you, Cingular's entire coverage sucks? That's humorous. 🤣
To most people, the coverage that counts is the coverage that they can use. 🙂
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Working for Cingular Blue (the AT&T side) I get calls from customers who have less coverage now as a result of the merger, not more because the phones aren't using the Orange (Cingular) towers even after adjusting the network settings in the phones. So the total number of towers doesn't matter much to them.
Also, as other folks pointed out, CDMA doesn't need as many towers, so it will probably be total overkill for Verizon to build 20K more towers.
Also, as other folks pointed out, CDMA doesn't need as many towers, so it will probably be total overkill for Verizon to build 20K more towers.
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Now that doesn't make any sense. You argue with me for a week straight about how Sprint/Nextel is going to take out VZW very soon, but then you say that you agree that Verizon will always be the best??? 😳 😕
You make no sense. 🙄
You make no sense. 🙄
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of course i do. i can say that verizon is the best but sprint/nextel will overcome them, and thats my position.
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nextel18 said:That's a minor miracle you're talkin' about there, Einstein. And one long in the making as well.
of course i do. i can say that verizon is the best but sprint/nextel will overcome them, and thats my position.
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Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
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bigdaddyjay said:
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
i think you have a little crush on muchdrama. the last couple posts you;ve mad have been directly aimed at him. 😉
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he has been harrassing me a lot, i think he has a crush on me.. AHHH I BETTER RUN NOW!!!!
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No crush, just tired of Drama always trying to slam people that know what they are talking about while they never have anything to contribute.
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bigdaddyjay said:Right. 'Cause my knowledge of the industry pales in comparison to you and "Overcomed" Nextel, right? Right.
No crush, just tired of Drama always trying to slam people that know what they are talking about while they never have anything to contribute.
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muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:Right. 'Cause my knowledge of the industry pales in comparison to you and "Overcomed" Nextel, right? Right.
No crush, just tired of Drama always trying to slam people that know what they are talking about while they never have anything to contribute.
Don't forget, drama, Jay get's his vast wireless knowledge from his years as a mortgage loan officer. 🤣
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PhoenixAshes said:And as we all know, most of the world's wireless CEOs were Loan Officers in another life.muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:Right. 'Cause my knowledge of the industry pales in comparison to you and "Overcomed" Nextel, right? Right.
No crush, just tired of Drama always trying to slam people that know what they are talking about while they never have anything to contribute.
Don't forget, drama, Jay get's his vast wireless knowledge from his years as a mortgage loan officer. 🤣
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I just went through this with nextel18 last week. I'm not doing it again. You are wrong. That is all I am saying.
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I'll double check the RCR article from last week to make sure of this but I am pretty sure that Sprintel is in the drivers seat here.
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I stated to nextel18 in another thread that in tracking the statistics of the first quarter of 2005 thus far, Sprint/Nextel has not been able to maintain the numbers that they posted in 4th quarter of 2004. And, I also think that Cingular had the top spot for 4th quarter of 04, followed by Sprint/Nextel and VZW was third for net additions. I could be wrong there though.
The numbers I saw for 1st quarter 2005 were only partial, though, because I read it in the Journal in the very beginning of March. It was based on a projection based on the month of January 2005 data. It was not hard numbers.
The numbers I saw for 1st quarter 2005 were only partial, though, because I read it in the Journal in the very beginning of March. It was based on a projection based on the month of January 2005 data. It was not hard numbers.
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i will repeat this again....
i will do it for them....
2004- total ads
verizon= Record 6.3 million total net customer additions.
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sprint/nextel= (not including boost) 6.6 million total net subs. (including boost) 7.3 million total net subs.
sprint= 4.4 million
nextel= 2.9 million total subscribers. 2.2 million Nextel subscribers and 755,000 Boost Mobile subscribers
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cingular= (i am not sure)
anyone knows please share.
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verizon- 6.3 million subscribers
sprint/nextel= 6.6 million *not including boost* 7.3 million including boost
cingular= i dont know .
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there ya go.
i will do it for them....
2004- total ads
verizon= Record 6.3 million total net customer additions.
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sprint/nextel= (not including boost) 6.6 million total net subs. (including boost) 7.3 million total net subs.
sprint= 4.4 million
nextel= 2.9 million total subscribers. 2.2 million Nextel subscribers and 755,000 Boost Mobile subscribers
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cingular= (i am not sure)
anyone knows please share.
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verizon- 6.3 million subscribers
sprint/nextel= 6.6 million *not including boost* 7.3 million including boost
cingular= i dont know .
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there ya go.
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I have proven my point to everyone here. You just can't get it through your thick skull. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS YOU THINK IT WILL!!!!!!!!! But you are not going to believe that until you see it, so there is nothing to do now but wait.
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You must also remember that Cingular is Using TDMA/GSM/AMPS on their network
Sprint is using CDMA only and Nextel Iden so from a spectrum perspective Sprint is better off than everyone because they aren't using multiple technologies on their spectrum.
Sprint is using CDMA only and Nextel Iden so from a spectrum perspective Sprint is better off than everyone because they aren't using multiple technologies on their spectrum.
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yea, also sprint gets nextel's 800, 1.9ghz and 2.5 ghz spectrum. and the 800 is contigious as well as the 1.9ghz.
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thanks jay. 🙂
muchdrama doesnt know much about things especially with business and the wireless industry.
paying 41 billion dollars for only 21 million in subscribers, some spectrum, and 21k towers is way too much. verizon did that on their own, cept for the 21k towers and spending less on capex and spectrum buyouts then the 41 billion dollars. (i explained my math in other posts)
muchdrama doesnt know much about things especially with business and the wireless industry.
paying 41 billion dollars for only 21 million in subscribers, some spectrum, and 21k towers is way too much. verizon did that on their own, cept for the 21k towers and spending less on capex and spectrum buyouts then the 41 billion dollars. (i explained my math in other posts)
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nextel18 said:Let's get this straight. They paid 41 billion to be the number one carrier in the United States in terms of subscribers. And now it's paying off in regards to marketing as well. Did you not notice that for the first time in quite a few quarters Cingular beat Verzion in subscriber additions? That's the very defi...
thanks jay. 🙂
muchdrama doesnt know much about things especially with business and the wireless industry.
paying 41 billion dollars for only 21 million in subscribers, some spectrum, and 21k towers is way too much. verizon did that on their own, cept for the 21k towers and spending less on capex and spectrum buyouts then the 41 billion dollars. (i explained my math in other posts)
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One quarter is all you are going on, I am going on how Cingular has rum their company in the past. I am pretty confidant that VZW will add more customers than Cingular this quarter but that's still a month away from being announced.
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jay, and verizon doesnt spend more than cingular does so again verizon gets a huge advantage there too. they get to save 41 billion dollars minus cingular/att wireless synergies.
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yeah I guess they do spend less and are building out spectrum instead of buying a run down crappy existing network. What really bothers me is the advertising in the industry. Here are a few from the current and past.
Sprint PCS, the clear alternative to Cellular. This marketing ploy basically was a true fact as Cellular is the service in the 800mhz A and B liscensing and was still Analog in areas so they could play the static thing off.
More bars in more places, that's the goal of Cingular blah blah- the key here is more bars is the goal, the problem is that customers don't realize that it could take 6 to 12 months to actually integrate these two networks into one, and that willl hurt Cingular in the long run.
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Sprint PCS, the clear alternative to Cellular. This marketing ploy basically was a true fact as Cellular is the service in the 800mhz A and B liscensing and was still Analog in areas so they could play the static thing off.
More bars in more places, that's the goal of Cingular blah blah- the key here is more bars is the goal, the problem is that customers don't realize that it could take 6 to 12 months to actually integrate these two networks into one, and that willl hurt Cingular in the long run.
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i dont know what verizon's quote means.
cingular will pay for its mistakes. i mean not cingular, bell south and SBC, will take the hit.
cingular will pay for its mistakes. i mean not cingular, bell south and SBC, will take the hit.
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That is what I think could happen if they don't get the networks aligned quickly. When I worked at Verizon Wireless they came out with the Can You Hear Me Now campaign and shortly after it was Mortgage time, hahaha. VZW did hit a home run with that one though.
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yea. they will always hit a homerun with their sub growth becuase they have a great network, but i have a new thread that is saying that nextel/sprint could be number 1 in 2-3 years. take a look.
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nextel18 said:cingular will pay for its mistakes. i mean not cingular, bell south and SBC, will take the hit.Yeah, they're definitely paying for their mistakes. Record adds for the last quarter of '04, and a merger that was relatively painless. How will they pay again?
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$41 billion dollars spent. $2k per subscriber is what cingular spent for att wireless' subscriber which is too much. 5.6 billion dolalrs worth of towers, about 15 billion worth of spectrum. their total subscribers are only worth about $1-2 billion i would say, not even that.
plus they had divestitures of about 3-5 million subscribers.
they are only worth about 30 billion or so dollars. thanks to vodaphone for making cingular spend more. cingular/att wireless will not make up $41 billion dollars.
now they will have to spend for umts/hsdpa network which increases capex and know one knows about that technology vs DO.
again, you dont understand business.
plus they had divestitures of about 3-5 million subscribers.
they are only worth about 30 billion or so dollars. thanks to vodaphone for making cingular spend more. cingular/att wireless will not make up $41 billion dollars.
now they will have to spend for umts/hsdpa network which increases capex and know one knows about that technology vs DO.
again, you dont understand business.
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nextel18 said:
$41 billion dollars spent. $2k per subscriber is what cingular spent for att wireless' subscriber which is too much. 5.6 billion dolalrs worth of towers, about 15 billion worth of spectrum. their total subscribers are only worth about $1-2 billion i would say, not even that.
plus they had divestitures of about 3-5 million subscribers.
they are only worth about 30 billion or so dollars. thanks to vodaphone for making cingular spend more. cingular/att wireless will not make up $41 billion dollars.
now they will have to spend for umts/hsdpa network which increases capex and know one knows about that technology vs DO.
again, you dont understand business.
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it will take years, even decades to hit $41 billion dollars, especially if there are only 300 or so million potential subscribers in the united states.
if cingular/att wireless were to hit the $41 billion number they would have to get 820 million subscribers at an arpu of $50 per month. now if their arpu was $80 then they would have to get 512 million subscribers. oh yea there are only 300 million subscribers out there in the market.
so how does that work?
if cingular/att wireless were to hit the $41 billion number they would have to get 820 million subscribers at an arpu of $50 per month. now if their arpu was $80 then they would have to get 512 million subscribers. oh yea there are only 300 million subscribers out there in the market.
so how does that work?
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nextel18 said:Don't you realize how much money these carriers make in a given year? 41 billion dollars could be recouped faster than you think.
it will take years, even decades to hit $41 billion dollars, especially if there are only 300 or so million potential subscribers in the united states.
if cingular/att wireless were to hit the $41 billion number they would have to get 820 million subscribers at an arpu of $50 per month. now if their arpu was $80 then they would have to get 512 million subscribers. oh yea there are only 300 million subscribers out there in the market.
so how does that work?
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i am talking about total subscribers that are added to the date of the close of the merger. i am not saying about total sales and revenue. i am talking about the revenue from the NEW cingular's adds, arpu, and revenue from them subtracted by expenses and capex.
i love your stupid questions.
i love your stupid questions.
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nextel18 said:What question is that? I never asked one. I simply stated that Cingular is showing gains from its merger already. It's only going to get better.
i am talking about total subscribers that are added to the date of the close of the merger. i am not saying about total sales and revenue. i am talking about the revenue from the NEW cingular's adds, arpu, and revenue from them subtracted by expenses and capex.
i love your stupid questions.
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again, they arent. they would need to make $41 billion dollars off of their new subscribers that they are getting from now till whenever they make it up. again, i showed you the numbers that they would need to get.
lets say they get only 10 million subscribers per year timess 50 arpu is what? 500 million dollars. with that it would take 82 years to hit $41 billion dollars. (and i am just talking about sub growth alone)
lets say they get only 10 million subscribers per year timess 50 arpu is what? 500 million dollars. with that it would take 82 years to hit $41 billion dollars. (and i am just talking about sub growth alone)
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nextel18 said:You're not figuring in added subscribers, new data features, etc...
again, they arent. they would need to make $41 billion dollars off of their new subscribers that they are getting from now till whenever they make it up. again, i showed you the numbers that they would need to get.
lets say they get only 10 million subscribers per year timess 50 arpu is what? 500 million dollars. with that it would take 82 years to hit $41 billion dollars. (and i am just talking about sub growth alone)
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again, you dont add the current subscribers, but if you want to i will. typically you just add the subscribers the new company signs up from the merger closes till whenever.
they have 50 million subscribers times 50 arpu= 2.5 billion dollars.
ok so that leaves 38.5 billion dollars. (41 billion - 2.5 billion dollars)
so now, if they get an arpu of $50 per month for lets say 10 million subscribers per year= $500 million per year.
that would be about 77 years before they would hit 38.5 billion dollars.
they have 50 million subscribers times 50 arpu= 2.5 billion dollars.
ok so that leaves 38.5 billion dollars. (41 billion - 2.5 billion dollars)
so now, if they get an arpu of $50 per month for lets say 10 million subscribers per year= $500 million per year.
that would be about 77 years before they would hit 38.5 billion dollars.
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again, you dont add the current subscribers, but if you want to i will. typically you just add the subscribers the new company signs up from the merger closes till whenever.
they have 50 million subscribers times 50 arpu= 2.5 billion dollars.
ok so that leaves 38.5 billion dollars. (41 billion - 2.5 billion dollars)
so now, if they get an arpu of $50 per month for lets say 10 million subscribers per year= $500 million per year.
that would be about 77 years before they would hit 38.5 billion dollars.
So that's it, huh? A company (or companies) that large can be figured out using that simple equation, huh? You're missing so many intangibles it's not even funny.
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sif i am missing something.. show me. do some analysis instead of just bashing me.
show some proof. show some numbers. show some math. people can bash people but have the guts to show some numbers.
i will be waiting.
show some proof. show some numbers. show some math. people can bash people but have the guts to show some numbers.
i will be waiting.
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nextel18 said:I'm saying your math is flawed. Or are you trying to tell us that simple equation does the work a thousand accountants do for Cingular? Right.
sif i am missing something.. show me. do some analysis instead of just bashing me.
show some proof. show some numbers. show some math. people can bash people but have the guts to show some numbers.
i will be waiting.
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again, if my math is flawed show me. show me why its flawed. show me what numbers i am missing.
prove something for once.
prove something for once.
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nextel18 said:I'm just stating that such a simple equation can't possibly account for everything that goes on at a mega-carrier like Cingular. You're math is flawed.
again, if my math is flawed show me. show me why its flawed. show me what numbers i am missing.
prove something for once.
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wow. all you can say "you're math is flawed" IF IT IS PROVE IT!! DO SOMETHING!!! you cant obviously. show some numbers. do some analysis of your own.
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nextel18 said:I won't presume to do as able a job as Cingular certified accountants. But your math is flawed.
wow. all you can say "you're math is flawed" IF IT IS PROVE IT!! DO SOMETHING!!! you cant obviously. show some numbers. do some analysis of your own.
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bahahahahahha. "your math is flawed" that is all you can say huh? again, if its flawed, show me some numbers. just estimate. you know the arpu, you can guess how many subscribers they can get per year, you know what their arpu is based on their 50 million subscribers.
do something. if mine is flawed prove me wrong. all I am asking is just for some numbers. you don't have to be an expert in a field to say something. at least if its sound and reasonable then it can have a say.
with you saying "your math is flawed" without your proof or evidence supporting that, your statements mean nothing.
again, show something.
do something. if mine is flawed prove me wrong. all I am asking is just for some numbers. you don't have to be an expert in a field to say something. at least if its sound and reasonable then it can have a say.
with you saying "your math is flawed" without your proof or evidence supporting that, your statements mean nothing.
again, show something.
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bahahahahahha. "your math is flawed" that is all you can say huh? again, if its flawed, show me some numbers. just estimate. you know the arpu, you can guess how many subscribers they can get per year, you know what their arpu is based on their 50 million subscribers.
do something. if mine is flawed prove me wrong. all I am asking is just for some numbers. you don't have to be an expert in a field to say something. at least if its sound and reasonable then it can have a say.
with you saying "your math is flawed" without your proof or evidence supporting that, your statements mean nothing.
again, show something.
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LIKE WHAT!!! prove something. show numbers. if you are going to go back and forth on this matter without showing a spec of evidence or numbers, this is a waste of time. again, prove something.
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nextel18 said:How fast Cingular managed to merge their networks and what they did last quarter with net adds isn't enough to prove they've made a good business decision?
LIKE WHAT!!! prove something. show numbers. if you are going to go back and forth on this matter without showing a spec of evidence or numbers, this is a waste of time. again, prove something.
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no its not. i already proved that it would take 77 years if they get 10 million subscribers per year times $50 arpu. plus their 50 million of wireless subscribers at $50 arpu now.
now, if my math is flawed please show me where its wrong. remember its about when they start getting the subscriber growth which would be as of 2005 or at the end of 2004. arpu is involved.
now, if my math is flawed please show me where its wrong. remember its about when they start getting the subscriber growth which would be as of 2005 or at the end of 2004. arpu is involved.
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nextel18 said:Riiiiiiiiiight. 77 years using a forumla that I'm sure every Cingular accountant relies heavily on. You're math is flawed.
no its not. i already proved that it would take 77 years if they get 10 million subscribers per year times $50 arpu. plus their 50 million of wireless subscribers at $50 arpu now.
now, if my math is flawed please show me where its wrong. remember its about when they start getting the subscriber growth which would be as of 2005 or at the end of 2004. arpu is involved.
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well, thats my math showed.
arpu= 50
total subs per year= 10 million (which they wont get)
total subs now= 50 million
total arpu now for the 50 million= 50
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again, if you keep saying my math is flawed. prove it. show me your math.
arpu= 50
total subs per year= 10 million (which they wont get)
total subs now= 50 million
total arpu now for the 50 million= 50
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again, if you keep saying my math is flawed. prove it. show me your math.
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nextel18 said:Nope. I tire of you. I'm done with you.
well, thats my math showed.
arpu= 50
total subs per year= 10 million (which they wont get)
total subs now= 50 million
total arpu now for the 50 million= 50
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again, if you keep saying my math is flawed. prove it. show me your math.
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thought so. cant prove anything. what does that show about you? that you cant prove it. you say my math is flawed, yet you cant give your own methods.
so sad.
if you show some numbers then i will listen to you, but with the numbers that i did, it makes sense. i even added cingular's 50 million of clients like you told me to do, yet i got 77 years from it when i did my math.
giving up so early? aww.
again, prove it. if you cant then step off.
so sad.
if you show some numbers then i will listen to you, but with the numbers that i did, it makes sense. i even added cingular's 50 million of clients like you told me to do, yet i got 77 years from it when i did my math.
giving up so early? aww.
again, prove it. if you cant then step off.
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thought so. cant prove anything. what does that show about you? that you cant prove it. you say my math is flawed, yet you cant give your own methods.
so sad.
if you show some numbers then i will listen to you, but with the numbers that i did, it makes sense. i even added cingular's 50 million of clients like you told me to do, yet i got 77 years from it when i did my math.
giving up so early? aww.
again, prove it. if you cant then step off.
When you did the math?
Thank you Stephen Hawking. 🙄
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you dont add their 50 million clients to $50 arpu. you add all of their subscribers from the moment they add subscribers. like, they get 6 million per year times 50 arpu= 300 million per year.
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nextel18 said:Sure. We'll believe YOUR math over HIS.
you dont add their 50 million clients to $50 arpu. you add all of their subscribers from the moment they add subscribers. like, they get 6 million per year times 50 arpu= 300 million per year.
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but muchdrama, you couldnt even do yours. when you combine an entity you dont add 50 million subscribers times 50. its about what they get afterword to make up those differences. but, you wouldnt know that.
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nextel18 said:I knew such a simplistic forumla to figure out how Cingular would make up for their $41 billion purchase was flawed as hell. And Phoenix proved it for everybody to see.
but muchdrama, you couldnt even do yours. when you combine an entity you dont add 50 million subscribers times 50. its about what they get afterword to make up those differences. but, you wouldnt know that.
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so, why didnt you prove it? phoenix didnt prove anyone. he just added 300 million dollars over the 2.5 billion dollars from 50 arpu times 50 million subscribers, which your not supposed to do.
anyway, you couldnt do that. if it was flawed why didnt you prove it?
by the way 20 years is a long time to make up especially since there are only 300 million or so people in the united states. by the way ev-do and wimax will destroy hsdpa.
anyway, you couldnt do that. if it was flawed why didnt you prove it?
by the way 20 years is a long time to make up especially since there are only 300 million or so people in the united states. by the way ev-do and wimax will destroy hsdpa.
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nextel18 said:I wouldn't presume to know exactly how Cingular figures its finances. I did, however, recognize that you were missing all kinds of variables in your simplistic equation. That's why I kept my mouth shut and waited for someone (namely Phoenix) to prove you wrong.....
so, why didnt you prove it? phoenix didnt prove anyone. he just added 300 million dollars over the 2.5 billion dollars from 50 arpu times 50 million subscribers, which your not supposed to do.
anyway, you couldnt do that. if it was flawed why didnt you prove it?
by the way 20 years is a long time to make up especially since there are only 300 million or so people in the united states. by the way ev-do and wimax will destroy hsdpa.
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if you recognized something, then how come you didnt say anything? waiting for someone else seems fishy. by the way 20 years to getting close to the 41 billion dollars is a long time. (he also added 50 million times 50 arpu which you dont do becuase only 21 million was from att wireless and the rest was from cingular) you add what they get now till...
how come you cant do anything by yourself and have to rely on others do it for you? shouldnt you do something on your own? all i see you do on here is to bicker with people and just say your math is flawed and your wrong without proving it.
ps. 20 years or 77 years both are a long time.
how come you cant do anything by yourself and have to rely on others do it for you? shouldnt you do something on your own? all i see you do on here is to bicker with people and just say your math is flawed and your wrong without proving it.
ps. 20 years or 77 years both are a long time.
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if you recognized something, then how come you didnt say anything? waiting for someone else seems fishy. by the way 20 years to getting close to the 41 billion dollars is a long time. (he also added 50 million times 50 arpu which you dont do becuase only 21 million was from att wireless and the rest was from cingular) you add what they get now till...
Uhhhh.... He DID say something. He said you were wrong OVER AND OVER again.
He also recognized that "proving" it to you would only make you come up with some other flawed logical conclusion about he was wrong.
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alright. i dont agree with anything that you say. 20 years is way too long.
and he said nothing. i wanted him to prove his theory of me being wrong with math that you did.
anyway, 20 years is too long.
and he said nothing. i wanted him to prove his theory of me being wrong with math that you did.
anyway, 20 years is too long.
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nextel18 said:
alright. i dont agree with anything that you say. 20 years is way too long.
and he said nothing. i wanted him to prove his theory of me being wrong with math that you did.
anyway, 20 years is too long.
20 years is too long for short-term thinking people who wind up as dust.
For companies that have 100+ years history and 100+ years futures, 20 years is not long at all.
Of course you don't agree... you have a hard time dealing with reality.
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no. i dont actually. i have a great time dealing with reality. unfort, you dont understand some things.
20 + years is too long in the wireless industry especially with only 300 million potential people in the united states. cingular/att wireless will have to fight out nextel/sprint and verizon which will be extremly difficult.
you will see cingular/att wireless will have trouble 20 years down the road hitting that $41 billion dollar purchase. actually 49 billion if you assume att wireless' debt.
20 + years is too long in the wireless industry especially with only 300 million potential people in the united states. cingular/att wireless will have to fight out nextel/sprint and verizon which will be extremly difficult.
you will see cingular/att wireless will have trouble 20 years down the road hitting that $41 billion dollar purchase. actually 49 billion if you assume att wireless' debt.
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You are entirely too short-sighted for the business world. 20 years is extremely short term for most companies, wireless or not.
But you wouldn't understand that.
You know, I have finally figured out what your problem is....You have an obsession with having the last word in a discussion. It doesn't matter to you if it doesn't make any logical sense, just as long as you have the last word.
Keep that attitude....it will get you far in life. Possibly even a large refrigerator box to live in instead of a simple computer box.
But you wouldn't understand that.
You know, I have finally figured out what your problem is....You have an obsession with having the last word in a discussion. It doesn't matter to you if it doesn't make any logical sense, just as long as you have the last word.
Keep that attitude....it will get you far in life. Possibly even a large refrigerator box to live in instead of a simple computer box.
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And you have proven my point for me. You are absolutely wonderful at doing that.
Your obsession with having the last word shows clearer than ever here. You are so amazing obsessed with having the last word that you have to post 1 word responses, simply so that you have the last post in a discussion.
And you call me immature??? Sure.... 🙄
Your obsession with having the last word shows clearer than ever here. You are so amazing obsessed with having the last word that you have to post 1 word responses, simply so that you have the last post in a discussion.
And you call me immature??? Sure.... 🙄
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no, i just didnt want to waste my time typing to you. you wouldnt understand. now, go out and be with your Significant other. i am sure you have a life, and i hope you do instead of bickering with me.
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Here we go again....you absolutely MUST have the last word....
I am not the one that has trouble understanding new concepts....
I am not the one that has trouble understanding new concepts....
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There goes the last word thing again. You just can't leave well enough alone, can you?
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I spread nothing that is false....all truths.
you might want to try zoloft for your OCD - it works for depression and anxiety too, which i'd imagine you must have, seeing as how you are proven wrong so often! 😈
you might want to try zoloft for your OCD - it works for depression and anxiety too, which i'd imagine you must have, seeing as how you are proven wrong so often! 😈
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If it isnt false, then how come you cant prove it?
Why do you keep making fun of me? With "ocd" hmm? and you think I stooped very low by allegedly saying those things to your fiancee (which I didn't do)? And your still calling me names and defaming my character. Shame on you....
Why dont you just stop talking to me like you said you would?
Why do you keep making fun of me? With "ocd" hmm? and you think I stooped very low by allegedly saying those things to your fiancee (which I didn't do)? And your still calling me names and defaming my character. Shame on you....
Why dont you just stop talking to me like you said you would?
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Maybe I don't stop talking because you refuse to SHUT UP!!!!!!!!! Defamation of character is NOT what I have done to you. I have simply pointed out truths that you cannot handle. You have done all of the defaming on your own.
And I'm not making fun of you with the OCD thing. I am simply making an observation that anyone else in this forum could make as well. I am trying to reccomend methods to deal with it.
If you really are as intelligent as you say you are, you would realize the difference between making fun of someone, and pointing out character and credibility flaws.
And I'm not making fun of you with the OCD thing. I am simply making an observation that anyone else in this forum could make as well. I am trying to reccomend methods to deal with it.
If you really are as intelligent as you say you are, you would realize the difference between making fun of someone, and pointing out character and credibility flaws.
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if you stop posting to me, and keep your word about that your not going to be posting about me or to me, then i wouldnt reply to you.
if you stop, i will stop. that simple.
if you stop, i will stop. that simple.
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SForsyth01 said:
Maybe I don't stop talking because you refuse to SHUT UP!!!!!!!!! Defamation of character is NOT what I have done to you. I have simply pointed out truths that you cannot handle. You have done all of the defaming on your own.
And I'm not making fun of you with the OCD thing. I am simply making an observation that anyone else in this forum could make as well. I am trying to reccomend methods to deal with it.
If you really are as intelligent as you say you are, you would realize the difference between making fun of someone, and pointing out character and credibility flaws.
Scotty my boy (and yes, I'll call you Scotty from now on...this is the internet and there's something swashbuck...
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muchdrama said:...SForsyth01 said:
Maybe I don't stop talking because you refuse to SHUT UP!!!!!!!!! Defamation of character is NOT what I have done to you. I have simply pointed out truths that you cannot handle. You have done all of the defaming on your own.
And I'm not making fun of you with the OCD thing. I am simply making an observation that anyone else in this forum could make as well. I am trying to reccomend methods to deal with it.
If you really are as intelligent as you say you are, you would realize the difference between making fun of someone, and pointing out character and credibility flaws.
Scotty my boy (and yes, I'll call you Scotty from now on...this is the inte
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Aleq said:...muchdrama said:SForsyth01 said:
Maybe I don't stop talking because you refuse to SHUT UP!!!!!!!!! Defamation of character is NOT what I have done to you. I have simply pointed out truths that you cannot handle. You have done all of the defaming on your own.
And I'm not making fun of you with the OCD thing. I am simply making an observation that anyone else in this forum could make as well. I am trying to reccomend methods to deal with it.
If you really are as intelligent as you say you are, you would realize the difference between making fun of someone, and pointing out character and credibility flaws.
Scotty my boy (and yes, I'll call you Scotty
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Oh, and another piece of evidence that your math is flawed:
You seem to take into consideration that the business' customer base will grow over time, but you don't account for the fact that the population of the USA is growing as well. In fact, it is growing much faster than the wireless industry is growing.
300 million customers is NOT a fixed number.
You seem to take into consideration that the business' customer base will grow over time, but you don't account for the fact that the population of the USA is growing as well. In fact, it is growing much faster than the wireless industry is growing.
300 million customers is NOT a fixed number.
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Oh, and another piece of evidence that your math is flawed:
You seem to take into consideration that the business' customer base will grow over time, but you don't account for the fact that the population of the USA is growing as well. In fact, it is growing much faster than the wireless industry is growing.
300 million customers is NOT a fixed number.
That was supposed to say "300 million POTENTIAL customers is NOT a fixed number."
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Ok, so I tried to stay out of this one, but this post threw me for a loop....
Why in the hell would you not include the current 50 million??? First off, if you want to take out the existing customers at the time of the merger, you would only take out 47 million as that is what they had when the merger happened. Secondly, WHY WOULD YOU NOT INCLUDE ALL INCOME????
I don't know where you studied your undergraduate business courses (if you even have an undergrad degree), or your MBA for that matter (highly doubt this one), but you obviously missed the mergers and acquisitions classes. When deciding if an investment should be made or not, you ALWAYS include current and projected future income. You have the same amount of money (arpu in...
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Why in the hell would you not include the current 50 million??? First off, if you want to take out the existing customers at the time of the merger, you would only take out 47 million as that is what they had when the merger happened. Secondly, WHY WOULD YOU NOT INCLUDE ALL INCOME????
I don't know where you studied your undergraduate business courses (if you even have an undergrad degree), or your MBA for that matter (highly doubt this one), but you obviously missed the mergers and acquisitions classes. When deciding if an investment should be made or not, you ALWAYS include current and projected future income. You have the same amount of money (arpu in...
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wow, 20 years. thats a long time to recoup their losses. who knows if they will get 6 million per year at an arpu of 50? who knows if people will get their umts/hsdpa service? 77 years was obviously too high of a number, but same with 20 years. but again, you dont take the 50 million times 50 arpu. you do it 300 million dollars per year.
regardless, its still a long time. they wont be debt free becuase they still have a lot of debt on their shoulders.
lastly, i honor you in with your math and calculations.
good job anywya.
ps. 20 years is still a long time- too long.
regardless, its still a long time. they wont be debt free becuase they still have a lot of debt on their shoulders.
lastly, i honor you in with your math and calculations.
good job anywya.
ps. 20 years is still a long time- too long.
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wow, 20 years. thats a long time to recoup their losses. who knows if they will get 6 million per year at an arpu of 50? who knows if people will get their umts/hsdpa service? 77 years was obviously too high of a number, but same with 20 years. but again, you dont take the 50 million times 50 arpu. you do it 300 million dollars per year.
regardless, its still a long time. they wont be debt free becuase they still have a lot of debt on their shoulders.
lastly, i honor you in with your math and calculations.
good job anywya.
ps. 20 years is still a long time- too long.
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but the thing is, you didnt even up your anti up by providing your math. atleast, i have the guts to do it. my math was on 10 million per year, his was on 6 million per year. if you do 10 million per year times 50 arpu thats 500 million dollars in arpu. you can do the math. again, you dont add how many the subscribers have now, the 50 million to the equation you add how many they add from when it closes (the merger).
but you wouldnt know that, nor had the guts to do your own math.
if i said 77 million that is probably too long, yet again 20+ years is too long too.
but you wouldnt know that, nor had the guts to do your own math.
if i said 77 million that is probably too long, yet again 20+ years is too long too.
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but the thing is, you didnt even up your anti up by providing your math. atleast, i have the guts to do it. my math was on 10 million per year, his was on 6 million per year. if you do 10 million per year times 50 arpu thats 500 million dollars in arpu. you can do the math. again, you dont add how many the subscribers have now, the 50 million to the equation you add how many they add from when it closes (the merger).
but you wouldnt know that, nor had the guts to do your own math.
if i said 77 million that is probably too long, yet again 20+ years is too long too.
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I said it was 77 years because theoretically it is. if you do the subscribers that they add times 50 arpu. not including their 50 million subs they have now.
still cant get off the topic of verizon doesn't use 1.9 and qchat was owned by nextel? I seriously think you just stay in one gear and its not moving forward. perhaps you should change gears. it would benefit you.
still cant get off the topic of verizon doesn't use 1.9 and qchat was owned by nextel? I seriously think you just stay in one gear and its not moving forward. perhaps you should change gears. it would benefit you.
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nextel18 said:You wouldn't know what theoretically meant if it came up on you and bit you on the ass. Nice job spelling it correctly, though. I tire of you for the day. Begone.
I said it was 77 years because theoretically it is. if you do the subscribers that they add times 50 arpu. not including their 50 million subs they have now.
still cant get off the topic of verizon doesn't use 1.9 and qchat was owned by nextel? I seriously think you just stay in one gear and its not moving forward. perhaps you should change gears. it would benefit you.
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hahaha. poor poor muchdrama.
"begone" hahahah what a joke.
swearing. nice, shows your immaturity.
i know what the term "theoretically" means. sorry.
"begone" hahahah what a joke.
swearing. nice, shows your immaturity.
i know what the term "theoretically" means. sorry.
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thought so. cant prove anything. what does that show about you? that you cant prove it. you say my math is flawed, yet you cant give your own methods.
so sad.
if you show some numbers then i will listen to you, but with the numbers that i did, it makes sense. i even added cingular's 50 million of clients like you told me to do, yet i got 77 years from it when i did my math.
giving up so early? aww.
again, prove it. if you cant then step off.
When you did the math?
Thank you Stephen Hawking. 🙄
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how come you couldnt do that? "knock 'im down" by the way his is wrong also. becuase you dont add the 50 million times 50 arpu. its about how many they get from that point.
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nextel18 said:Yeah, that's right. We'll trust someone who sells phones at some mall kiosk over someone who's worked in the INDUSTRY for a long, long time. That means Phoenix in case I confused you.
how come you couldnt do that? "knock 'im down" by the way his is wrong also. becuase you dont add the 50 million times 50 arpu. its about how many they get from that point.
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i have worked in the industry also, buddy. sorry to dissapoint you, but your not good at anything you do. you argue like a girl, you dont know any information, you cant prove yourself, you just whine whine whine.
come on buddy. you cant even prove that my math was wrong, becuase you cant even do math yourself. by the way you do not add the 50 million times 50 arpu. sorry about that.
i really feel bad for you.
come on buddy. you cant even prove that my math was wrong, becuase you cant even do math yourself. by the way you do not add the 50 million times 50 arpu. sorry about that.
i really feel bad for you.
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nextel18 said:I argue like a girl? Don't you think that would upset some of our female peers on this site? You should watch the gender discrimination. Now I'm really done with you...for the day, of course.
i have worked in the industry also, buddy. sorry to dissapoint you, but your not good at anything you do. you argue like a girl, you dont know any information, you cant prove yourself, you just whine whine whine.
come on buddy. you cant even prove that my math was wrong, becuase you cant even do math yourself. by the way you do not add the 50 million times 50 arpu. sorry about that.
i really feel bad for you.
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yes, you do. if it upsets other females on this board, i am sorry for offending you, but its true. by the way you have also called me names as well as harrasing me and defaming my character so its just a taste of your own medicine. you dont prove anything and you whine to everyone. you dont know how to prove it and all you do is whine. funny thing is how come you never talk about the wireless industry and attack people? nothing better to do?
by the way you said, "Now I'm really done with you...for the day, of course." this twice. any more lies i should know about? cant keep your word?
by the way you said, "Now I'm really done with you...for the day, of course." this twice. any more lies i should know about? cant keep your word?
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nextel18 said:What exactly does someone do when they "argue like a girl"? As for offending me...I'm not the one that mig...
yes, you do. if it upsets other females on this board, i am sorry for offending you, but its true. by the way you have also called me names as well as harrasing me and defaming my character so its just a taste of your own medicine. you dont prove anything and you whine to everyone. you dont know how to prove it and all you do is whine. funny thing is how come you never talk about the wireless industry and attack people? nothing better to do?
by the way you said, "Now I'm really done with you...for the day, of course." this twice. any more lies i should know about? cant keep your word?
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i thought you were gone from talking to me? i guess not. that is 3 times that you have said it and not keep your word.
i already said i was sorry to those who i would have offended. and yes, if you keep mocking me and defaming my character and slandering me then it is. i dont do it to you, so you dont do it to me. keep the maturity high, not bring it down.
i already said i was sorry to those who i would have offended. and yes, if you keep mocking me and defaming my character and slandering me then it is. i dont do it to you, so you dont do it to me. keep the maturity high, not bring it down.
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nextel18 said:Who's slandering and defaming you? You're the one that brought up "arguing like a girl". And it's not apologizing when you say "I'm sorry for saying what I said but I still think you argue like a girl". Some apology.
i thought you were gone from talking to me? i guess not. that is 3 times that you have said it and not keep your word.
i already said i was sorry to those who i would have offended. and yes, if you keep mocking me and defaming my character and slandering me then it is. i dont do it to you, so you dont do it to me. keep the maturity high, not bring it down.
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8th time...
it is an apology. you have been slandering and defaming me. you are the one who loves to look at posts, well look and you will see.
it is an apology. you have been slandering and defaming me. you are the one who loves to look at posts, well look and you will see.
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nextel18 said:Saying bad things about you, and proving your information wrong are two different things. Try law school. Again, what are we counting?
8th time...
it is an apology. you have been slandering and defaming me. you are the one who loves to look at posts, well look and you will see.
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my information that I provide is more or less accurate. if its not, I correct it immediately. not sure what we are counting. anyway, I reported your posts to rich about the ones that you have violating those TOS rules. I know about law. since all of your posts are on here and its public everyone can see where you slander me and defame my character. you even admitted to me and the public that you enjoy doing it or I am easy to do it on. you said that, not me.
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nextel18 said:As I told you before. I'm not defaming or slandering anyone. Most of my posts have been in response to the following:
my information that I provide is more or less accurate. if its not, I correct it immediately. not sure what we are counting. anyway, I reported your posts to rich about the ones that you have violating those TOS rules. I know about law. since all of your posts are on here and its public everyone can see where you slander me and defame my character. you even admitted to me and the public that you enjoy doing it or I am easy to do it on. you said that, not me.
1) You said Verizon doesn't use 1900mhz spectrum.
2) You said Nextel owned Qchat.
3) You said MMDS spectrum will be us...
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i never said immediately. you are taking words from my mouth. i am saying the things that YOU SAID INSIDE THOSE messages.
get off number 1 and number 2 already. inside those messages i changed what i was saying.
move on already.
get off number 1 and number 2 already. inside those messages i changed what i was saying.
move on already.
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nextel18 said:I'm just citing those bits of information (or misinformation in your case) as examples.
i never said immediately. you are taking words from my mouth. i am saying the things that YOU SAID INSIDE THOSE messages.
get off number 1 and number 2 already. inside those messages i changed what i was saying.
move on already.
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again, i always give information that is not misinformation. i actually contribute to this board, while you bash me and others. you dont contribute. again, you should move on from the original heading, and look into those messages, becuase i clearly modify of what i was saying, but you cant look past the heading for some reason.
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nextel18 said:Again, what the hell does this even mean?
again, i always give information that is not misinformation.
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it means that i am actually giving information instead of information. you have attacked me saying my information or (misinformation) was flawed. so i am countering that.
again, let me say this so you can understand it.
my information is very informative, but yours isnt. you dont even give any information instead you bash people.
again, let me say this so you can understand it.
my information is very informative, but yours isnt. you dont even give any information instead you bash people.
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nextel18 said:For the Love of God...what?
it means that i am actually giving information instead of information.
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i already posted the error, if you read in my next post.
see, that proves my point, that you dont look closely at any post as well as posts attached too it.
look at the next post.
see, that proves my point, that you dont look closely at any post as well as posts attached too it.
look at the next post.
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muchdrama said:So according to you, we all have to look at the immediate revisions you make to your original post in order to get accurate information? Wow, that's tough.nextel18 said:For the Love of God...what?
it means that i am actually giving information instead of information.
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muchdrama said:muchdrama said:So according to you, we all have to look at the immediate revisions you make to your original post in order to get accurate information? Wow, that's tough.nextel18 said:For the Love of God...what?
it means that i am actually giving information instead of information.
I don't think anyone has ever spoken out of their ass so much.
I'm beginning to think his bunghole has tonsils.
Makes me wish I worked for Nextel again, just so I could fire him.
Geez.
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PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:muchdrama said:So according to you, we all have to look at the immediate revisions you make to your original post in order to get accurate information? Wow, that's tough.nextel18 said:For the Love of God...what?
it means that i am actually giving information instead of information.
I don't think anyone has ever spoken out of their ass so much.
I'm beginning to think his bunghole has tonsils.
Makes me wish I worked for Nextel again, just so I could fire him.
Geez.
That tonsils crack made me smile. Careful...he might report you for "defamation and slander". I think he's...
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Yeah, Phoenix definitely got reported for that one. But it was quite funny.
If he keeps talking out his ass like this, he is going to have to watch out for tonsillitis of the bunghole tonsils.
If he keeps talking out his ass like this, he is going to have to watch out for tonsillitis of the bunghole tonsils.
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YOU DO ADD THE CURRENT 50 MILLION!!!!!!
Please, take a class on Mergers and Acquisitions. You will be truly enlightened by it.
Where did you get your business education from? My guess is the bottom of a Cracker Jacks Box.
Please, take a class on Mergers and Acquisitions. You will be truly enlightened by it.
Where did you get your business education from? My guess is the bottom of a Cracker Jacks Box.
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yep. go out... stop bickering with me. remember, i am not worth it. go out with your boo.
word.
word.
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And we show our great maturity again. Just have to have the last word.
Oh, yeah...and I do not have a "boo." I have a fiancee. She is a wonderful person and deserves respect. I will NOT deal with you disrespecting her. You can disrespect me all you want, but do NOT bring her into this.
Oh, yeah...and I do not have a "boo." I have a fiancee. She is a wonderful person and deserves respect. I will NOT deal with you disrespecting her. You can disrespect me all you want, but do NOT bring her into this.
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SForsyth01 said:He doesn't seem like the type of person that'll respect something as sacred as family.
And we show our great maturity again. Just have to have the last word.
Oh, yeah...and I do not have a "boo." I have a fiancee. She is a wonderful person and deserves respect. I will NOT deal with you disrespecting her. You can disrespect me all you want, but do NOT bring her into this.
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Good point....but why does he have to bring her into this??? I never insulted his significant other, nor did I ever insult his family. But, yet, he has to bring mine into it. 😈
Keep in mind, I am the immature stupid one.... 🙄
Keep in mind, I am the immature stupid one.... 🙄
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again, i never insulted your fiancee. i dont know why you keep saying that, becuase i didnt. you and much, like to twist words around. all i said is that you should spend more time with her then arguing on here.
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You used derragatory terms that I had removed from the site by the moderator. I wish I would not have had them removed, because I would then be able to post the links so everyone can see how ridiculous you really are.
I mean, c'mon, no one brought your family into the discussion.
I mean, c'mon, no one brought your family into the discussion.
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derragatory terms? you must be joking. i didnt say anything that was like that to your fiancee. i said that you and her should go out more instead of arguing with me. how is that "derragatory"?
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Obviously denying...and guilt is a terrible thing. That is the only logical reason why you are still posting these BS denials.
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of course not. i didnt say anything, i have no reason to keep denying it. if i did do it i would admit it, but since i didnt do it there would be no need what-so-ever to admit it. sorry.
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nextel18 said:So does Rich, hence the removed post.
i am not denying anything sorry. i know what i said.
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Sure you didn't. And you have credibility abound in this forum. People are really going to believe that. I just wish I still had the thread on here. I would post the link that showed how heartless you really are.
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nextel18 said:Twist words around? I quote you, buddy.
again, i never insulted your fiancee. i dont know why you keep saying that, becuase i didnt. you and much, like to twist words around. all i said is that you should spend more time with her then arguing on here.
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nextel18 said:
you argue like a girl, you dont know any information, you cant prove yourself, you just whine whine whine
I would consider that defamation and slander. I am female and when I argue, I do have information, I can prove myself, and I do not whine. 🙄
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and if you read in my next post i said for those females who are offended i am sorry.
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again, they arent. they would need to make $41 billion dollars off of their new subscribers that they are getting from now till whenever they make it up. again, i showed you the numbers that they would need to get.
lets say they get only 10 million subscribers per year timess 50 arpu is what? 500 million dollars. with that it would take 82 years to hit $41 billion dollars. (and i am just talking about sub growth alone)
This post by nextel simply shows the lack of business knowledge on his side, much more than it shows that drama has no business knowledge.
They do NOT have to pay the $41 billion off anywhere close to the near future. It is commonplace in the business world to financ...
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We just have to have the last word, don't we??? OCD is a curable problem. You should look into it.
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you should also try going out it will help with your nerves. also keep your word- seems like you are not still.
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i will do it for them....
2004- total ads
verizon= Record 6.3 million total net customer additions.
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sprint/nextel= (not including boost) 6.6 million total net subs. (including boost) 7.3 million total net subs.
sprint= 4.4 million
nextel= 2.9 million total subscribers. 2.2 million Nextel subscribers and 755,000 Boost Mobile subscribers
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cingular= (i am not sure)
anyone knows please share.
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verizon- 6.3 million subscribers
sprint/nextel= 6.6 million *not including boost* 7.3 million including boost
cingular= i dont know .
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there ya go.
2004- total ads
verizon= Record 6.3 million total net customer additions.
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sprint/nextel= (not including boost) 6.6 million total net subs. (including boost) 7.3 million total net subs.
sprint= 4.4 million
nextel= 2.9 million total subscribers. 2.2 million Nextel subscribers and 755,000 Boost Mobile subscribers
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cingular= (i am not sure)
anyone knows please share.
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verizon- 6.3 million subscribers
sprint/nextel= 6.6 million *not including boost* 7.3 million including boost
cingular= i dont know .
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there ya go.
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bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
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muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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PhoenixAshes said:Okay...muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will ge
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PhoenixAshes said:...muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the m
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muchdrama said:...PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Okay, I hadn't thought of that...aren't Loan Officers supposed to have above average math skills?muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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Anxiovert said:...muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Okay, I hadn't thought of that...aren't Loan Officers supposed to have above avemuchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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muchdrama said:...Anxiovert said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Okay, I hadn't thought of that...aren't Loanmuchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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Anxiovert said:...muchdrama said:Anxiovert said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:PhoenixAshes said:Okay, Imuchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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yet, muchdrama is mocking me for my spelling, grammar and punctuation skills. how, ironic.
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nextel18 said:If it were ironic, it'd be because I was doing the very same thing. Which I'm not, of course. Learn what ironic means...along with latency.
yet, muchdrama is mocking me for my spelling, grammar and punctuation skills. how, ironic.
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you should learn how to do business and about the wireless industry, and of course you dont.
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nextel18 said:Like Phoenix said, what I forget about the industry is more than you know. For God's sake...you didn't even know that Nextel doesn't own Qchat...and you work for Nextel!!! So, what was that again?
you should learn how to do business and about the wireless industry, and of course you dont.
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I didn't mean owning it, I said that they have exclusive rights since no one else can do, and that kind of signifies ownership.
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nextel18 said:You said, and I quote, "Nextel owns Qchat". Having a license to use Qchat does not mean you own Qchat. Qualcomm owns the patents to Qchat...therefore they own Qchat. Is that so hard? Don't tell me what you meant when I and half of this forum read what you said.
I didn't mean owning it, I said that they have exclusive rights since no one else can do, and that kind of signifies ownership.
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the funny thing is... you mentioned previously many many many times that nextel doesn't have exclusive rights to qchat, yet I proved you wrong. it is ok if I use bad wording in this case, because in essence it means that they do own that product for the time being.
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nextel18 said:You can look through some of my earliest posts and I mention repeatedly that Nextel has the exclusive rights to Qchat in North America. Go ahead. Look up my posts on the subject in the Nextel forum. I'm telling you that Nextel does not own Qchat. Having the exclusive rights to use Qchat is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than owning the patents to Qchat.
the funny thing is... you mentioned previously many many many times that nextel doesn't have exclusive rights to qchat, yet I proved you wrong. it is ok if I use bad wording in this case, because in essence it means that they do own that product for the time being.
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yea mentioned that nextel has exclusive rights to qchat after i said that they do and proved it.
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nextel18 said:I'm talking about posts I made months and months and months ago in various forums on this site. If you look at some of my earliest posts in the Nextel forum you'll see me talking about how Nextel has the rights to use Qchat in North America.
yea mentioned that nextel has exclusive rights to qchat after i said that they do and proved it.
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again, after i said many many times that nextel has exclusive rights and proved it then you mentioned it.
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nextel18 said:For the last time. Search out my posts from the Nextel forum from months ago and you'll see that MarkF and I were aware Nextel would be using Qchat before ANYBODY mentioned it.
again, after i said many many times that nextel has exclusive rights and proved it then you mentioned it.
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nextel18 said:No. Months before you even became a member of Phonescoop. You know, when you were busy getting banned from ideninsider.com and howardforums.com.
again, after i mentioned it.
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hahah, you and i fought about the whole exclusive rights situation with qchat and nextel and i proved you wrong.
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nextel18 said:You DO realize that everyone else is reading this as well, right?
hahah, you and i fought about the whole exclusive rights situation with qchat and nextel and i proved you wrong.
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no, no one is reading this. its a private chat between you and i. oh come on, dude. grow up.
i love stupid questions.
i love stupid questions.
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nextel18 said:
no, no one is reading this. its a private chat between you and i. oh come on, dude. grow up.
i love stupid questions.
it isn't a private chat? 😢 i thought i was special.
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its always Miller Time where i am at. i am not christian so i dont do anything that has to deal with Good Friday. why you ask?
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it was miller time last night. tonight is 40oz smirnoff ice night. me = gangster.
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Grantizzle said:
it was miller time last night. tonight is 40oz smirnoff ice night. me = gangster.
Think I'll go Old School with a King Cobra or a St. Ides!
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nextel18 said:Since when can't Christians drink on Good Friday? What planet do you live on?
its always Miller Time where i am at. i am not christian so i dont do anything that has to deal with Good Friday. why you ask?
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wow, sir. i am affraid that you have lost your mind. i said that I AM NOT CHRISTIAN SO I DONT AFFILIATE MYSELF WITH GOOD FRIDAY.
sir, i have to feel bad for you.
sir, i have to feel bad for you.
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nextel18 said:Noooooooooo. You said "its always Miller Time where i am at. i am not christian so i dont do anything that has to deal with Good Friday. why you ask?", implying that since you aren't Christian, you drink all the time...even on Good Friday.
wow, sir. i am affraid that you have lost your mind. i said that I AM NOT CHRISTIAN SO I DONT AFFILIATE MYSELF WITH GOOD FRIDAY.
sir, i have to feel bad for you.
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no. it means that its miller time all the time, but I am not Christian so I don't associate with good Friday or any other Christian holiday. I don't understand how you don't understand that.
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nope. again, nothing that is associated with that holiday. why are you asking?
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hahaha. oh i will dont worry. not for the sake of good friday, its becuase i do anyway.
hahaha.
hangover time!!!
hahaha.
hangover time!!!
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yea. with all the bitch beer i have, not having a hangover would be a miracle.
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nextel18 said:What's to understand. Read your first post. It makes perfect sense.
no. it means that its miller time all the time, but I am not Christian so I don't associate with good Friday or any other Christian holiday. I don't understand how you don't understand that.
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again, i know what i ment. i will say it again. i said it is always miller time here. but i am not christian so i dont associate with good friday. it doesnt mean christians dont drink on good friday, or whatever you thought it was.
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nextel18 said:Now you're confusing yourself.
again, i know what i ment. i will say it again. i said it is always miller time here. but i am not christian so i dont associate with good friday. it doesnt mean christians dont drink on good friday, or whatever you thought it was.
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no, i am def. not. i know what i said.
again, last time for you. it is always miller time here. i am not christian, nor do i celebrate anything that is affiliated with it.
i dont understand how you dont understand what i am saying. oh well.
again, last time for you. it is always miller time here. i am not christian, nor do i celebrate anything that is affiliated with it.
i dont understand how you dont understand what i am saying. oh well.
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nextel18 said:No, no...everybody's reading this right along with us. All they have to do is check my earliest posts on the Nextel forum for proof. Go look yourself.
no, no one is reading this. its a private chat between you and i. oh come on, dude. grow up.
i love stupid questions.
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I WAS KIDDING. wow you cant take a joke can you ? you cant take sarcasm can ya?
blah blah blah blah. i wont waste my time looking for drivel and nothingness.
blah blah blah blah. i wont waste my time looking for drivel and nothingness.
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nextel18 said:For someone that won't go looking for "drivel and nothingness", you sure post a lot of it.
I WAS KIDDING. wow you cant take a joke can you ? you cant take sarcasm can ya?
blah blah blah blah. i wont waste my time looking for drivel and nothingness.
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according to who? you? you dont know anything about the wireless industry, nor business.
you think that nextel/sprint wont do well vs verizon.. well according to my numbers that i did from 2004 sub growth in 2 years they will outpace verizon if of course those numbers that were accomplished in 2004 will continue in 2005.
by the way, stop bashing me and do something. show me that you know something.
by the way you tell me i am the king of copying and pasting, but you do too. how sad...
wah wahh.
you think that nextel/sprint wont do well vs verizon.. well according to my numbers that i did from 2004 sub growth in 2 years they will outpace verizon if of course those numbers that were accomplished in 2004 will continue in 2005.
by the way, stop bashing me and do something. show me that you know something.
by the way you tell me i am the king of copying and pasting, but you do too. how sad...
wah wahh.
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nextel18 said:
according to who? you? you dont know anything about the wireless industry, nor business.
you think that nextel/sprint wont do well vs verizon.. well according to my numbers that i did from 2004 sub growth in 2 years they will outpace verizon if of course those numbers that were accomplished in 2004 will continue in 2005.
by the way, stop bashing me and do something. show me that you know something.
by the way you tell me i am the king of copying and pasting, but you do too. how sad...
wah wahh.
Obviously you haven't read my posts in other forums where I've stated that a lot of analysts think Sprint-Nextel has the resources and foresight to be THE carrier to beat in the future. I...
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nextel18 said:Sure I did what? You've got to learn to be specific so people understand you.
hahahahhaha.. sure ya did.
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nextel18 said:
yet, muchdrama is mocking me for my spelling, grammar and punctuation skills. how, ironic.
you don;t need the comma after "how" and before "ironic."
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Grantizzle said:Makes you cringe, doesn't it?nextel18 said:
yet, muchdrama is mocking me for my spelling, grammar and punctuation skills. how, ironic.
you don;t need the comma after "how" and before "ironic."
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it is quite pathetic that you and muchdrama have nothing better to do and that you are more focused on grammar and punctuation skills then the wireless industry or business. quite sad.
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nextel18 said:Okay. Here's a focus: You didn't know Nextel didn't own Qchat. And you work for Nextel. I'm focused. Are you focused?
it is quite pathetic that you and muchdrama have nothing better to do and that you are more focused on grammar and punctuation skills then the wireless industry or business. quite sad.
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well, i figured that you guys bitch and argue with eachother enough about the wireless industry, that someone needs to take care of the grammar part. 😉
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Grantizzle said:Don't worry. I'm taking care of the grammar part. Check out my profile.
well, i figured that you guys bitch and argue with eachother enough about the wireless industry, that someone needs to take care of the grammar part. 😉
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muchdrama said:Grantizzle said:Don't worry. I'm taking care of the grammar part. Check out my profile.
well, i figured that you guys bitch and argue with eachother enough about the wireless industry, that someone needs to take care of the grammar part. 😉
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yea, i would agree. it is also pathetic and pointless for muchdrama, who doesnt know a thing about this wireless industry and business, to be bashing me for my mistakes. yet, he doesnt know anything. that is pointless and sad.
but yes, i would agree.
but yes, i would agree.
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yea, i would agree. it is also pathetic and pointless for muchdrama, who doesnt know a thing about this wireless industry and business, to be bashing me for my mistakes. yet, he doesnt know anything. that is pointless and sad.
but yes, i would agree.
why do you keep antagonizing it? doesn't that make you pathetic too?
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so only he is pathetic for arguing with you? you must be the voice of reason in every little tiff and discrepancy on here?
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all i am saying is that people can argue all they want unless they know what they are talking about and they say sound things that make sense and have proof to back things up. muchdrama, on the other hand, knows nothing about the wireless industry and continues to bash me. that is the pathetic thing.
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but, i am not egging him on to do name calling and things of that nature. he is the one doing that. he doesnt know what he is talking about, so people like me, who know things, has to put him in his place.
unless, there is a way to block people.
unless, there is a way to block people.
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nextel18 said:Nope. There's no way to block me. Let's go over the things you've got wrong in the past two days: 1) You said Nextel owns Qchat. They don't. 2) You said Verizon doesn't operate in the PCS band. They do. Rich wrote the friggin' blurb on it. 3) If you look up my earliest posts on the Nextel forum...before you even became a member of Phonescoop...you'll see me telling people Nextel was going to go with Qchat as their CDMA PTT solution (with a little in...
but, i am not egging him on to do name calling and things of that nature. he is the one doing that. he doesnt know what he is talking about, so people like me, who know things, has to put him in his place.
unless, there is a way to block people.
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nextel18 said:I'm looking at my posts right now from back before you were a member. And yes, I did have an idea. Me and MarkF.
you had no idea back then that nextel owned exclusive rights.
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the name is indeed immature, but it is kinda funny. 😁 you guys should prolly just sit back and have a beer. drop the whole issue. the posts i have been reading today aren't having too much relevance to the topic on hand. you two are both saying the same thing over and over again. just drop it.
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nextel18 said:You don't even know that Verizon operates in the PCS band and I'm the one that's clueless? Just click on "Carriers" to the left and click on "Verizon". It even says it there...Rich wrote it. Yeesh.
all i am saying is that people can argue all they want unless they know what they are talking about and they say sound things that make sense and have proof to back things up. muchdrama, on the other hand, knows nothing about the wireless industry and continues to bash me. that is the pathetic thing.
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nextel18 said:I don't know anything about the industry? In two days you've said Nextel owns Qchat and Verizon doesn't operate on the 1900mhz band. How is it that I don't know anything again?
yea, i would agree. it is also pathetic and pointless for muchdrama, who doesnt know a thing about this wireless industry and business, to be bashing me for my mistakes. yet, he doesnt know anything. that is pointless and sad.
but yes, i would agree.
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well, i felt like putting one there. by the way your "don;t" should be "don't".
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i know. i have a problem with hitting the semicolon key instead of the apostrophe key. it is a big deal for me and i am trying to work through it.
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i have been an authorized agent for VZW for the last two years. the year prior to that i worked for a different VZW authorized agent.
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thats good. how has your experience been? have you tested the latest DO system, push to talk system and vcast?
if you did let me know.
if you did let me know.
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the v cast system doesn't work yet in my market. i don't really see a need for it. the phones are expensive. VCAST is a waste of money. the PTT program has been vastly improved.
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yea, i agree with you with your assessments over the VCAST system. it is quite slow and with not a lot of content.
i actually tried PTT and yes it has improved, however, its still no nextel.
maybe you can answer this for me. how come verizon has only a few phones that has VCAST, then bluetooth, and other functionalities on diff phones, instead of having a few phones that has a lot of the functionality.
ever think about that?
i actually tried PTT and yes it has improved, however, its still no nextel.
maybe you can answer this for me. how come verizon has only a few phones that has VCAST, then bluetooth, and other functionalities on diff phones, instead of having a few phones that has a lot of the functionality.
ever think about that?
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well, the one phone i can think of that has a lot of functionality is the 710. BT, 1.3mp camera, Video, expansion, etc. it sucks. if i could have my ideal phone put together, it would have a great speaker phone, not too small, clamshell, and BT. i don't care about cameras or v-cast or PTT.
VZW does need to get their asses in gear because we are losing a lot of potential customers because of the lack of BT. bussiness proffessionals don't need/want cameras. Most of the people that do want cameras could care less about BT. the 710, as far as i can tell, was a poor effort by VZW to have the best phone out there so they had motorola throw together a phoen with all the newest technologies and it failed.
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VZW does need to get their asses in gear because we are losing a lot of potential customers because of the lack of BT. bussiness proffessionals don't need/want cameras. Most of the people that do want cameras could care less about BT. the 710, as far as i can tell, was a poor effort by VZW to have the best phone out there so they had motorola throw together a phoen with all the newest technologies and it failed.
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not exactly.. i asked why verizon phones do not include a lot of the functionality. meaning why dont they include most of the functionality. like why dont they include... push to talk with Vcast and things of that nature...
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ok. well I think that's why verizon isn't selling their phones as much as I think they should be.
like nextel and sprint combine their functionality or most of it with their phones and that's why they are number 1 and 2 in arpu respectively and with lifetime revenue per user. as well as their mvno's and wholesalers and affiliates are doing so well.
like nextel and sprint combine their functionality or most of it with their phones and that's why they are number 1 and 2 in arpu respectively and with lifetime revenue per user. as well as their mvno's and wholesalers and affiliates are doing so well.
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PhoenixAshes said:muchdrama said:bigdaddyjay said:If the merger were completed today...Sprint-Nextel would have about 38 million customers. How's that "nearly as many as VZW"?
Actually Nextel18 has a point, Sprintel will have the best spectrum portfolio and will also have nearly as many customer as VZW. If you go back and count how many customer were added with the combination of both companies in the mergers and VZW it would pan out like this,
Sprintel would be on top
Verizon second
Cingular third.
Now go bake some cookies and learn to count Dramamomma
ahhh.... the math skills of this loan officer will get you screwed over.
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nextel= 15 million
nextel partners= 1.6 million
boost mobile= 1.5 million
total= Atleast 18.1 million
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sprint= 17.8 million
virgin mobile= (not sure)
sprint's affiliates and MVNO's= 7 million
total= ATLEAST 24.8 million (becuase i dont know what virgin mobile is)
(those numbers are as of 2004)
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total sprint/nextel = ATLEAST 42.9 million subscribers( becuase of i dont know how many subs virgin mobile has.)
check my math if you want
nextel partners= 1.6 million
boost mobile= 1.5 million
total= Atleast 18.1 million
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sprint= 17.8 million
virgin mobile= (not sure)
sprint's affiliates and MVNO's= 7 million
total= ATLEAST 24.8 million (becuase i dont know what virgin mobile is)
(those numbers are as of 2004)
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total sprint/nextel = ATLEAST 42.9 million subscribers( becuase of i dont know how many subs virgin mobile has.)
check my math if you want
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No, it makes no sense at all. You are agreeing that Verizon will always be the best, and at the same time you are making a statement that Sprint/Nextel will take them over....think about what you are saying there. Completely impossible for a company to ALWAYS be the best, but get overtaken at the same time. 🙄
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of course it does make sense. someone can be the best, but soon they can be taken over by another company. (taken over, i dont mean to be bought out, i mean to overcome them)
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Yes, but if they are soon going to be taken over (which I disagree with, but that's another topic that we have already agreed to disagree on), they will not ALWAYS be the best. You are missing the point of what you agreed to. The initial post stated that Verizon will ALWAYS be the best. ALWAYS being the key word in that statement.
So based on that, you would not agree with the initial post.
That was my point.
So based on that, you would not agree with the initial post.
That was my point.
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of course. i would say that verizon is always the best, but they can be overcome. that is what i ment.
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You frustrate me worse than my wife does.....Please read the title of the thread very carefully. You can't honestly say that you agree with it after you read it word for word and comprehend it.
It says:
"Verizon Still And Always Will Be The Best"
Now, if you think that Sprint/Nextel will take them over, you can't possibly think that Verizon always will be the best. That would be an oxymoron.
It says:
"Verizon Still And Always Will Be The Best"
Now, if you think that Sprint/Nextel will take them over, you can't possibly think that Verizon always will be the best. That would be an oxymoron.
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yea, verizon is still and will always be the best, but THEY CAN BE OVERCOMED!!!
"You frustrate me worse than my wife does....."
bahah thats pathetic.
"You frustrate me worse than my wife does....."
bahah thats pathetic.
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nextel18 said:No. The first sentence of your post is pathetic. "Overcomed"? New lows, buddy...new lows.
yea, verizon is still and will always be the best, but THEY CAN BE OVERCOMED!!!
"You frustrate me worse than my wife does....."
bahah thats pathetic.
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No, it makes sense. Look at Microsoft. Linux, Unix, and MacOS are much better operating systems, but the majority of users use Windows. I'm not agreeing with him, but I'm just saying how a company can be the best, but not be number 1.
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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"I'm not agreeing with him, but I'm just saying how a company can be the best, but not be number 1."
speedy, thanks you just said it for me. i probably should have said it like that, but i didnt, and i am glad that you understood what i was saying.
speedy, thanks you just said it for me. i probably should have said it like that, but i didnt, and i am glad that you understood what i was saying.
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That isn't the point I am trying to make. I am simply stating that he said "I AGREE" to the initial post which states "VERIZON STILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE BEST!!!"
I am simply stating that he should not be agreeing with that statement if he does not believe that they will ALWAYS be the best. The work ALWAYS is the key word here.
I am simply stating that he should not be agreeing with that statement if he does not believe that they will ALWAYS be the best. The work ALWAYS is the key word here.
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verizon still has the most reliable network which would make their network quality best. They don't have as many towers and customers as Cingular but it doesn't mean they aren't the best company does it??
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I am simply stating that a person cannot possibly be of the opinion that Sprint/Nextel will overtake verizon at some future point, and at the same time, agree with a statement that says that "Verizon always will be the best." That is an oxymoron.
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Sprintel could overtake Verizon in subscriber numbers but not have a better network thus no Oxymoron here.
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see. i guess you got it, but he didnt.
watch this.. he will be calling you names too lol.
watch this.. he will be calling you names too lol.
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He can start a support group with muchdrama and Phoenix, they can call themselves the "Over our head gang"
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i already proved to him that if you combine nextel/sprint's numbers it outperforms and beats verizon's numbers.
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I don't think many people in here read the daily articles on RCR and Wirelessweek which in turn leads to what they hear from the supervisors or friends working for companies. I double check anything my brother tells me and also read his RCR and Wirelessweek prints when he gets them. I also used to work in the industry but left to make a better buck and work with more freedom so I have a lot of knowledge about what was going on up to 2003 when I left.
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bigdaddyjay said:How in the hell do you figure that? There's definitely an oxymoron there.
Sprintel could overtake Verizon in subscriber numbers but not have a better network thus no Oxymoron here.
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bigdaddyjay said:Who says Verizon's network is the most reliable? You? A major study? Your dog? That can't exactly be proven.
verizon still has the most reliable network which would make their network quality best. They don't have as many towers and customers as Cingular but it doesn't mean they aren't the best company does it??
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Hey dcantin I agree with you a 100% about Verizon taking over the industry again. Yeah Cingular may have more towers than Verizon the thing you have to remember is that it takes 3 times the towers for GSM to function anywhere near that of CDMA, simple reason GSM cannot handle anywhere near the call volume per tower that CDMA can hold.
Another thing is that regardless of # of towers Verizon still outperforms Cingular in every major market in the U.S. so tower #'s mean nothing. Far less dropped calls with Verizon as well as the call your on will be much clearer with no staticy break-up!! Here in Chicago Cingular sucks tons of dropped calls and terrible static!! I have lots of friends that wish they never signed (2) year contract with Ci...
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Another thing is that regardless of # of towers Verizon still outperforms Cingular in every major market in the U.S. so tower #'s mean nothing. Far less dropped calls with Verizon as well as the call your on will be much clearer with no staticy break-up!! Here in Chicago Cingular sucks tons of dropped calls and terrible static!! I have lots of friends that wish they never signed (2) year contract with Ci...
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maverick96 said:
Here in Chicago Cingular sucks tons of dropped calls and terrible static!! I have lots of friends that wish they never signed (2) year contract with Cingular and they are almost willing to pay the ETF to go to Verizon simply for the reliability!!!!
Funny... Cingular and Verizon were virtually TIED in the chicagoland area by local tests. They were both manhandled by US Cellular in regards to dropped calls.
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PhoenixAshes said:But since HIS phone doesn't work in HIS area, ALL of Chicago sucks in regards to Cingular. You gotta love idiot math.maverick96 said:
Here in Chicago Cingular sucks tons of dropped calls and terrible static!! I have lots of friends that wish they never signed (2) year contract with Cingular and they are almost willing to pay the ETF to go to Verizon simply for the reliability!!!!
Funny... Cingular and Verizon were virtually TIED in the chicagoland area by local tests. They were both manhandled by US Cellular in regards to dropped calls.
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Not just my part of the city! THE WHOLE CITY it is way subpar compared to Verizon!!
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Manhandled for drooped calls????? You must not be from Chicago I have never seen any tests that show Verizon having any dropped calls!!! CBS 2 Chicago listed Verizon at a tie with U.S. cellular with only having a couple slight audio break-ups!! Cingular on the other hand was no where even close they showed dropped calls, static and audio break-ups!
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maverick96 said:
Manhandled for drooped calls????? You must not be from Chicago I have never seen any tests that show Verizon having any dropped calls!!! CBS 2 Chicago listed Verizon at a tie with U.S. cellular with only having a couple slight audio break-ups!! Cingular on the other hand was no where even close they showed dropped calls, static and audio break-ups!
Local NEWS LOL Now there a bastion of credibilty......
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I don't have much faith in the testing processes used in Consumer reports and JD Powers is OLD news for Verizon....T Mobile owns those bragging rights NOW.....Look ahead not behind...you won't hit anything.
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yea, i dont like those consumer reports either becuase they only try a minimal number of people instead of all of the subscribers at that company.
i belive those arent really credibile..
i do belive that tmobile is good, however, they wont last long.
i belive those arent really credibile..
i do belive that tmobile is good, however, they wont last long.
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They will be around for a while and will be the cheap plan carrier of the big four.
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yea, but without a very good footprint, without a lot of subscribers, with a lack of data speeds, they wont do that well.
we will see though.
we will see though.
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I'm not saying they will do well but they are owned by DT and I'm sure they will keep them since they are one of the best performing markets for DT.
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Tmobile isn't going anywhere. Hate to break it to you. There's still more than enough room for a carrier that treats its customers the way Tmobile does.
i do belive that tmobile is good, however, they wont last long.
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muchdrama said:Tmobile isn't going anywhere. Hate to break it to you. There's still more than enough room for a carrier that treats its customers the way Tmobile does.
i do belive that tmobile is good, however, they wont last long.
Yeah, his mentality is along the lines of saying that the Veal industy will fold because Chicken, Pork, and Beef rule the meat world.
The only way a they will fold is if they CHOOSE to...
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PhoenixAshes said:At the rate they're adding subscribers they'd have to choose to fold.muchdrama said:Tmobile isn't going anywhere. Hate to break it to you. There's still more than enough room for a carrier that treats its customers the way Tmobile does.
i do belive that tmobile is good, however, they wont last long.
Yeah, his mentality is along the lines of saying that the Veal industy will fold because Chicken, Pork, and Beef rule the meat world.
The only way a they will fold is if they CHOOSE to...
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maverick96 said:
Manhandled for drooped calls????? You must not be from Chicago I have never seen any tests that show Verizon having any dropped calls!!! CBS 2 Chicago listed Verizon at a tie with U.S. cellular with only having a couple slight audio break-ups!! Cingular on the other hand was no where even close they showed dropped calls, static and audio break-ups!
Hey mooooooverick.
What's a droooooped call?
"We asked, "How would you rate your provider for not having audio breakups?"
U.S. Cellular definitely took top honors, with 52 percent considering the company excellent.
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I wouldn't recommend Sprint to ANYONE...except my worst enemies. I wish Sprint and Brain Cancer on them. 😈
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i would recommend sprint. they have the best data products/content with vision and a pretty good coverage area.
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nextel18 said:He means NOW he'd recommend Sprint...after bashing them incessantly in the Nextel forum until they suddenly decided to merge with Nextel. So NOW they're alright because of their affiliation with Nextel.
i would recommend sprint. they have the best data products/content with vision and a pretty good coverage area.
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i have bashed sprint for a few reasons becuase of lack of customer service. their coverage is pretty good, and their data plans are one of the best, infact the best in the industry.
it has nothing to do with the sprint/nextel merger.
it has nothing to do with the sprint/nextel merger.
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nextel18 said:I just recently looked at early posts of yours from the Nextel forum where you repeatedly bash everything about Sprint. Did you forget that we can actually research any post we want on this site? LOL.
i have bashed sprint for a few reasons becuase of lack of customer service. their coverage is pretty good, and their data plans are one of the best, infact the best in the industry.
it has nothing to do with the sprint/nextel merger.
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yea, of course. i can bash sprint, especially for my reasons. the only reason why i dont like sprint was becuase of their customer care, everything else i like about them.
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nextel18 said:That's not what you said in your earlier posts on the Nextel forum. I read them. They're not pretty.
yea, of course. i can bash sprint, especially for my reasons. the only reason why i dont like sprint was becuase of their customer care, everything else i like about them.
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nextel18 said:
so give me some posts please.
Do your own research. I know you can't even use the "Message Above, Quoted" feature that everybody else has mastered, but looking up your own posts in one forum is pretty damn easy. I did it. So can you.
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nextel18 said:I'm not doing your work for you. I simply went to the Nextel forum, typed in a search using your name, and *presto*...there're your posts.
again, give me posts of what i have said please. (about sprint)
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again, show me. if you want to prove something, please say it, if you cant then enough- please.
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nextel18 said:Nope. Never enough. If you can't figure out how to use the search or "message above, quoted" functions...that's your own damn problem.
again, show me. if you want to prove something, please say it, if you cant then enough- please.
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if you want to prove something, post it, if you cant then dont. its not my problem. you post something you said i did it, you need to prove it, or your not going to be worth listening to. thats your choice i guess.
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nextel18 said:Hey, I went to the Nextel forum and I simply put in your name and read your earlier posts. You can do it too. Try it. It's fun...well, for me it is.
if you want to prove something, post it, if you cant then dont. its not my problem. you post something you said i did it, you need to prove it, or your not going to be worth listening to. thats your choice i guess.
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again, you want to prove something with what i said, please show it, or if you dont want to then enough.
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nextel18 said:Nope. Still not enough. Do a little searching in the Nextel forum using your name. You'll find I'm right.
again, you want to prove something with what i said, please show it, or if you dont want to then enough.
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nextel18 said:Oh, great. Now SForsythe is reading them as well...hilarious! You'd better do some searching of your own buddy.
why cant you prove anything? show some links to provide your info.
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nope. if you want to prove something- show me. if you dont then stop saying it.
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nextel18 said:Nah. I don't feel like it. I've been reading a lot of your earliest posts in the Nextel forum through the search function.
nope. if you want to prove something- show me. if you dont then stop saying it.
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bahaahha. now all of a sudden you dont wanna prove something? wow. pathetic.
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nextel18 said:Why prove something when all you have to do is prove it for yourself? Just go search your own posts out. It's easy. I'm currently reading some of mine from 2003.
bahaahha. now all of a sudden you dont wanna prove something? wow. pathetic.
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nextel18 said:What link? There is no link. Just go to the Nextel forum and use the post search function.
give me a link then.
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That's VERY debatable! They're not the best in all markets, contrary to what their press will have you believe.
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More fodder for the forum:
There was an article on Wireless Week about FCC complaints. Cingular was highest with 289 complaints per 1 million customers. Verizon was lowest with 76 complaints per 1 million customers.
There was an article on Wireless Week about FCC complaints. Cingular was highest with 289 complaints per 1 million customers. Verizon was lowest with 76 complaints per 1 million customers.
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dca said:I heard that on the morning driveby...but this is Consumer's Union we're talking about here.
More fodder for the forum:
There was an article on Wireless Week about FCC complaints. Cingular was highest with 289 complaints per 1 million customers. Verizon was lowest with 76 complaints per 1 million customers.
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