AT&T Beats Verizon on Net Adds
Verizon Wireless may be the country’s biggest carrier based on subscribers, but it added fewer wireless customers than rival AT&T in its second quarter.
Verizon Wireless added barely 1.1 million net customers in the second quarter, falling way behind AT&T’s almost 1.4 million net additions.
The carrier’s subscriber additions were reported today along with parent company Vodafone’s reported key performance indicators, which include its proportionate share of Verizon Wireless’ net customer additions.
Verizon’s full second-quarter financial results will be reported on Monday.
Verizon Wireless added barely 1.1 million net customers in the second quarter, falling way behind AT&T’s almost 1.4 million net additions.
The carrier’s subscriber additions were reported today along with parent company Vodafone’s reported key performance indicators, which include its proportionate share of Verizon Wireless’ net customer additions.
Verizon’s full second-quarter financial results will be reported on Monday.
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We added 1.1 million customers with out the iPhone. AT&T added 1.4 which all were probably iPhone users which makes AT&T look even worse. Verizon still did the best by adding customers when we don't have the iPhone. That just tells you that Verizon has a better network then AT&T. Also, more people trust Verizon then AT&T.
Verizon is still the largest wireless network in the US covering more people then AT&T and Verizon has the largest 3G network.
AT&T=FAIL
Verizon is still the largest wireless network in the US covering more people then AT&T and Verizon has the largest 3G network.
AT&T=FAIL
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the only reason why you guys added 1.1 mill is because of the merger with alltel and your talk to 10 people for free deal that tmobile has. verizon couldnt beat our rollover minutes. thats your only advantage towards your largest wireless network! At&t still gets more customers from verizon then verizon from At&t
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and how many of those att add were prepaid. They are notorious for adding way more prepaid which equates to way less profit. Just a thought.
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1.2 million were postpaid - one of ATT's best 2Q results ever, if not the best.
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Nope, Alltel customers were already added LAST quarter. This past quarter is customer who signed up with Verizon. AT&T sucks. Face it. They mostly sold iPhones, thats sad. AT&T is not making any money off the iPhone really. 🤣
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Thanks for bringing Alltel to the equation. Since this is the first quarter in which Alltel's customer count as yours. Shouldn't your numbers be much higher? As in counting Alltel's and Verizon's (the two together) added less than Verizon (by itself) last year
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1st, this is second quarter Alltel counts as our customers. We starts the "over 80 million strong" back in FEBRUARY for the calling network.
2nd, not all the areas we bought Alltel from have changed to the Verizon name yet.
And you say our number should be higher? They ARE then AT&T's. AT&T has the lowest numbers in ratings right now, and are not the largest network in the US. Verizon is ranked in the top 10 wireless network in the WORLD.
Stupid people need to LEAVE.
2nd, not all the areas we bought Alltel from have changed to the Verizon name yet.
And you say our number should be higher? They ARE then AT&T's. AT&T has the lowest numbers in ratings right now, and are not the largest network in the US. Verizon is ranked in the top 10 wireless network in the WORLD.
Stupid people need to LEAVE.
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VZW611LA said:
Stupid people need to LEAVE.
so will you be the first one out the door...hhahahahaaaa! I kid, I kid!
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VZW611LA said:
Right behind you.
You first. I insist. Afterall, you got your attitude from Verizon...
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VZW611LA said:
That's why we have high rated customer service.
For having a haughty attitude? I don't think so.
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VZW611LA said:
Stupid people need to LEAVE.
Says the guy who says almost all of AT&T's net adds were iPhone customers...do you try to discredit yourself on purpose? Or does it just come natural?
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The numbers reported are Net ads. Typically they don't count acquisitions, but only actual new activations.
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Read the earnings report - 1.1 million net adds, all retail, LESS acquisitions and adjustments. So Alltel customers aren't reflected as net adds.
•87.7 million total customers, up 27.7 percent; 85.2 million retail customers, up 27.8 percent; 1.1 million net customer additions, excluding acquisitions and adjustments, all retail.
http://news.vzw.com/news/2009/07/pr2009-07-27.html »
•87.7 million total customers, up 27.7 percent; 85.2 million retail customers, up 27.8 percent; 1.1 million net customer additions, excluding acquisitions and adjustments, all retail.
http://news.vzw.com/news/2009/07/pr2009-07-27.html »
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If your mins are rolling over then I say you are on the wrong plan!! Then you are paying to much for your wireless service
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I'm in the lowest plan for $39.99 sometimes I use 200 mins a month. Sometimes I use 800 mins a month. Am I in the wrong plan?
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Wait, but didn't Cingular Wireless (2004) purchase the original AT&T Wireless to become the largest mobile carrier. What makes it any different for Verizon to do it? And At&t would not even be here if they didn't have the iPhone. Infact APPLE's first choice was Verizon, so AT&T kind of got lucky right there. And I also agree with the above post if your getting rollover then you are on the wrong plan buddy. I think talking unlimeted to whom ever you please whether 5 or 10 and having the ability to change it everyday is a much better deal, then being able to keep your "unused minutes" which expire after a 12 month billing cycle.
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Not to mention that it was Cingular who really worked out the deal for the iphone, and there is no saying ATT would've done the same if the deal wasnt in the works when the company was purchased.
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Menno said:
Not to mention that it was Cingular who really worked out the deal for the iphone, and there is no saying ATT would've done the same if the deal wasnt in the works when the company was purchased.
and what is the difference betweent cingular and att. other than name change.
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They were two seperate companies. Cingular was struggling to make a profit, so they went for the iphone, agreed to all of Apples demands in an effort to regain market share. Then they were bought out by ATT, which became the ATT you know now. That is how ATT became the "biggest" carrier for awhile, and how they got their hands on the iPhone.
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Because they piggy back off of most wireless networks! So there. In terms of coverage, Tracfone is the best.
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VZW611LA said:
No... There is more CDMA coverage in the US then GSM. 🙄
Tracfone also uses CDMA. Check yourself before you post, please.
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Yes, but they don't really use the CDMA part to much because its local only. Your post is a waste of time.
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VZW611LA said:
Yes, but they don't really use the CDMA part to much because its local only. Your post is a waste of time.
Most of what you post is a waste of time too. You work for Verizon and think its the best company in the world. NEXT!
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Well, it is rated in the top 10 largest wireless networks in the world. We don't have any of the problems AT&T is having, and we have the highest ratings of the national carriers. So, in other words, we are the best overall.
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VZW611LA said:
Well, it is rated in the top 10 largest wireless networks in the world. We don't have any of the problems AT&T is having, and we have the highest ratings of the national carriers. So, in other words, we are the best overall.
Verizon ain't that good. I had Verizon and ran back to AT&T. Verizon's coverage in my area is pitiful and worse yet, they lie about it on their coverage map. Verizon just splashes a bunch of red here and there without telling you how strong of a signal you should expect. Whereas AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile tell you how strong your coverage is at street level. Verizon, no, they just tell you you have coverage even when you don't.
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VZW611LA said:
Verizon is still the largest wireless network in the US covering more people then AT&T and Verizon has the largest 3G network.
Which is wonderful if you have 80 million friends and relatives and routinely make calls where the buffalo roam.....
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I actually agree with you. I bet 85 to 95 percent of those additons were iphone.
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And all of those adds where all iphone users. This just shows that Verizon doesn't really need the iPhone. but lets wait when Verizon gets the iPhone. At&t customer base will bleed. And its not that great of a difference 1.1 vs 1.4 million, you would think with the iphone it would be alot more.
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For real. When Verizon gets this, we can post on there forum and say: Verizon added 7.2 Million users this time and AT&T gained -7.2 millions users. 🤣
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there were 700,000 (at least) iphone activations this quarter. The difference between att and verizon's net adds was 400,000
Most, if not all of that difference would be iphone activations so it kinda goes to reason that if ATT did not have an exclusive right to the iphone, their lead over Verizon wouldn't be nearly as high, if they had one at all.
What JBEc00l and others are trying to say is that most of ATT's adds are off of their one-trick pony (the iphone) which will be very dangerous for them once any other carrier offers the phone, even if it's not Verizon.
Most, if not all of that difference would be iphone activations so it kinda goes to reason that if ATT did not have an exclusive right to the iphone, their lead over Verizon wouldn't be nearly as high, if they had one at all.
What JBEc00l and others are trying to say is that most of ATT's adds are off of their one-trick pony (the iphone) which will be very dangerous for them once any other carrier offers the phone, even if it's not Verizon.
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But its illogical to think that all those iPhone adds would defect to the carrier who has the iPhone. Many would just chose a completely different phone so the difference would not be as great as you say it could be. I'm an agent and I get people wanting the iPhone daily, and we sucessfully persuade them to chose a different phone everyday.
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Once people realize that service is more important than a toy....goodbye AT&T....
Most of my friends have gotten the iphone but don't have service where I do and are constantly asking to use my phone to make a call(I do have an ipod touch for music which does the same as the iphone without the phone...I feel like I have the better deal-phone service with verizon).
Most of my friends have gotten the iphone but don't have service where I do and are constantly asking to use my phone to make a call(I do have an ipod touch for music which does the same as the iphone without the phone...I feel like I have the better deal-phone service with verizon).
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Beachslapped, are you kidding me? Don't post something like this in the Verizon forum. I don't like it when Verizon folks come and post Verizon is better than AT&T stuff in the AT&T forum, so don't go and post AT&T is better than Verizon stuff in their forum.
And to the Verizon people: What makes you so sure that all 1.4 million new subscribers went for the iPhone. Do you have stats to back up your claim, or are you assuming that everyone wants an iPhone?
And to the Verizon people: What makes you so sure that all 1.4 million new subscribers went for the iPhone. Do you have stats to back up your claim, or are you assuming that everyone wants an iPhone?
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Because everyone wants a iPhone, but the ones who don't, know that AT&T's service is crappy and won't switch to them.
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VZW611LA said:
Because everyone wants a iPhone, but the ones who don't, know that AT&T's service is crappy and won't switch to them.
I have AT&T. I don't want the iPhone. Your claim that everyone wants one is a general assumption, thus it only takes one person who does not want an iPhone to invalidate your claim. I know I am not the only one. In fact, out of the 20+ people I know who have AT&T, only 3 have the iPhone, while the rest of us don't want or need one.
Again, you based your claim on your own opinion with no facts to back it up.
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lol. I ask him for facts and proof, and he disappears...typical of a verizon employee: all huff and puff, but no substance to back it up. God, I love company egos!
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Then why do all the sites say, the majority of AT&T's gain is from iPhone. Please be smarter. AT&T is the worse network in the US.
Face it, Verizon is rated best in everything, AT&T is rated worse. 🤣
Face it, Verizon is rated best in everything, AT&T is rated worse. 🤣
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VZW611LA said:
Then why do all the sites say, the majority of AT&T's gain is from iPhone. Please be smarter. AT&T is the worse network in the US.
Face it, Verizon is rated best in everything, AT&T is rated worse. 🤣
Classic troll lingo right there. If AT&T is the worst then why do they have so many subscribers? Why aren't they bleeding themselves to death like Sprint?
I await the day when you stop working for Verizon so you won't be so gung-ho about them. It gets old. Fast. I have AT&T and I like them, but I don't tout them as the absolute best because all four major carriers are damn good carriers.
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YOU'RE IN THE VERIZON FORUM! Trolling would be in the AT&T forum. What an IDIOT 🙄 !
And it shows you why your churn is always higher then Verizons.
And it shows you why your churn is always higher then Verizons.
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VZW611LA said:
YOU'RE IN THE VERIZON FORUM! Trolling would be in the AT&T forum. What an IDIOT 🙄 !
And it shows you why your churn is always higher then Verizons.
Verizon's phones are cheap, dull, and awful. That's why I went back to AT&T.
Call me names all you want, kid. I don't even work in the wireless industry, so I don't have to put up with the BS customers you get the pleasure of dealing with. Nothing I could ever say could make up for the fact that you have to deal with the general public and I don't!
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Verizon's phones are not dull, cheap, or awful. We have the largest choice of BlackBerrys, 7. We have the largest selection of QWERTY dumb phones, 10.
The customer I talk to every day are happy. Ever wonder why we have the highest customer satisfactory rating? I port customer over from AT&T everyday. And Kid? Don't call me one until you see how your actions are. You need to grow up and get a life.
The customer I talk to every day are happy. Ever wonder why we have the highest customer satisfactory rating? I port customer over from AT&T everyday. And Kid? Don't call me one until you see how your actions are. You need to grow up and get a life.
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VZW611LA said:
Verizon's phones are not dull, cheap, or awful. We have the largest choice of BlackBerrys, 7. We have the largest selection of QWERTY dumb phones, 10.
The customer I talk to every day are happy. Ever wonder why we have the highest customer satisfactory rating? I port customer over from AT&T everyday. And Kid? Don't call me one until you see how your actions are. You need to grow up and get a life.
Thank you, professor. You know, I'll just quit talking to you. I have a better time getting through to New Jersey on the Sprint network...
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VZW611LA said:
You really need to go back to school.
I am in school... 😁
Graduate school!!!
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But Verizon turned it down because Apple wanted a say in marketing, and they wanted to collect from the data plan profits. Verizon, being a total control freak of a company (which is why they are union busters) said no to anything that might yank some of the control out of their hands.
Sure, Apple has been rumored to be in talks with Verizon, but unless Verizon is willing to enter the same kind of agreements that AT&T did, they will not carry the iPhone. Maybe this time, Verizon will be more willing to enter Apple's agreements now that they see how popular the device has become.
Money can turn the heads of even the largest most stubborn corporations.
Sure, Apple has been rumored to be in talks with Verizon, but unless Verizon is willing to enter the same kind of agreements that AT&T did, they will not carry the iPhone. Maybe this time, Verizon will be more willing to enter Apple's agreements now that they see how popular the device has become.
Money can turn the heads of even the largest most stubborn corporations.
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Um...Verizons profits were down over 20% last quarter - and they can't blame the iPhone/Apple....?
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Umm, if you people would READ, its for VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS. Not Verizon Wireless. The drop was from both Verizon Wireless and Verizon Landline. Majority was from Verizon Landline.
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Same thing for ATT - ATT's wireless profits were up 3% YOY- so the iPhone is obviously not hurting them.
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It is because they make $0 off the iPhone except for the calling plan. Thats it. Apple gets teh data money, accessory money, etc. AT&T doesn't get anything.
Apple is very very greedy.
Apple is very very greedy.
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Wow...seriously? Can you seriously be that ignorant? You don't think ATT gets any portion of the data or accessory money? Thank you for displaying your complete stupidity for all to see.
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Why don't you just fu*k off. for real... go back to your page. This is a Verizon forum.
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VZW611LA said:
Why don't you just fu*k off. for real... go back to your page. This is a Verizon forum.
You are being very hypocritical. You and your fellow Verizon fanboys troll the AT&T forum all the time so you have no room to tell an AT&T fanboy to go back to their forum when you don't even stay in yours.
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At&t had to fork out nintey million just for the name Apple. And no at&t do not make ANYTHING on therre iphones. Well excuse me they get less than ten percent on the voice plan. You can look at the contract online just look. When your on top everyone wants a piece. 🙄
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Awwww...whats the matter? When confronted with actual facts you have nothing to say but "f*ck off" - that truly displays the level of intelligence you have. "Go back to my page?" I have Verizon service as well - so technically, I guess this is my page. What's the matter? Can't take it that there is a Verizon customer who doesn't hate ATT with your passion - you truly need to get over yourself and your juvenile "my carrier can beat your carrier up" attitude.
I know for a fact - not what I heard, or think I know, or read on the internet - that ATT does make money off of iPhone customers - they make money off of accessories, off the data, and also off the extra features that iPhone customer's add like text messaging. iPhone customers are a...
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I know for a fact - not what I heard, or think I know, or read on the internet - that ATT does make money off of iPhone customers - they make money off of accessories, off the data, and also off the extra features that iPhone customer's add like text messaging. iPhone customers are a...
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Seriously, you're making us verizon employees look bad....Knock it off!!! Who cares whos better.....If it weren't AT&T as a competitor, it would be someone else.
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VZW611LA said:
This is why AT&T's profit was huts bad this past quarter.
Well, tell that to your fellow VZW fanboys because many of them want the iPhone on Verizon's network.
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ATT's profits were not hurt bad by the iPhone. ATT's wireless profits were up 3% - it was the landline/broadband side that killed ATT's profits as a whole - the same thing happened to Verizon as well.
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VZW611LA said:
Same thing WHY Verizons was down! PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION RIGHT!
Are you kidding me? You're telling me to read when all you're doing is repeating what I wrote. I was stating that the same thing happened to Verizon - the landline side was what hurt their margins. All I am pointing out is that people who are stating that the iPhone is the reason ATT profits shrunk are incorrect.
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dromant said:
Are you kidding me? You're telling me to read when all you're doing is repeating what I wrote. I was stating that the same thing happened to Verizon - the landline side was what hurt their margins. All I am pointing out is that people who are stating that the iPhone is the reason ATT profits shrunk are incorrect.
dromant, you are right. But let me tell you this: engaging with VZW611LA is a waste of time because he is always right and everyone else is always wrong. A troll is a troll is a troll, and frankly, you'd be better off having a conversation with Sarah Palin.
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Your an idiot. Just go away. You're really a wast of time here. This isn't even your forum.
Go back your low rated network forum. 🤣
Go back your low rated network forum. 🤣
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ATnT Nokia said:
Well, tell that to your fellow VZW fanboys because many of them want the iPhone on Verizon's network.
The reason being we all know how sucky the ATT network is. My parents are on ATT and cant even get service in Maine...!! Surpisingly their friends who have Verizon do? WTF is that?
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I have ever figured out what good roll over minutes are.
If I didn't use this month and I didn't use them last mouth, just when in the heck am I going to use them? If I change my plan I lose them. I don't get a refund for them. What the heck good is last weeks time?
As for calling any phone number 🙂 even if is not a VZwireless number, now that save me money.
If I didn't use this month and I didn't use them last mouth, just when in the heck am I going to use them? If I change my plan I lose them. I don't get a refund for them. What the heck good is last weeks time?
As for calling any phone number 🙂 even if is not a VZwireless number, now that save me money.
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there are lots of people that use rollover. Customer's who add lines to their family plan and don't have to change to a higher plan b/c they have a bunch of rollover. Customer's who call more during the summer b/c they have summer jobs/activities that require them to be on the phone. Anyone whos usage can vary month by month is usually served well by rollover.
Is it for everyone? No - but then again, neither is the 5-10 person circle promotions either. It just depends on how you use your phone as to which promo works better for you.
Is it for everyone? No - but then again, neither is the 5-10 person circle promotions either. It just depends on how you use your phone as to which promo works better for you.
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Not for everyone. In my case, the only people I call regularly are already on my family plan, so that does me no good. The rollover saves me b/c our usage varies every month - the minutes we save one month are used in a future month. The 5-10 does me no good - it probably works for other people, but for some people it doesn't help. Again, it depends on the person or situation - using a blanket statement like rollover isn't as good as the My Circle promo is simply ignorant.
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Your logic astounds me. 5-10 is not for everyone. What about people who actually call more then 5-10 people, like myself?
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navydave said:
I have ever figured out what good roll over minutes are.
I am on AT&T's smallest family plan, and because everyone I call is on AT&T's network, I always have a ton of unused minutes left over. So I virtually have "unlimited" calling because of all my rollover minutes.
With other carriers if you don't use them, you lose them, so if one month your usage gets unusually high, you'll have to pay for going over your monthly bucket of minutes. Whereas with rollover, you simply dip into that bucket and don't pay anything extra.
It makes sense. I am surprised Verizon has not launched their own version of rollover because if they did, they could take away AT&T's claim to being the only car...
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Verizon doesn't need it. We have Friends and Family which is better. The people you talk to most and not use your mins. Rollover takes months and months to really take effect.
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It takes one full bill cycle to take effect. Its amazing anyone on this forum actually trusts any info you put here.
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So, if someone who talks to another person on another network a lot, and by the end of the month they have like 5 mins left, it goes to the next month, or may even go over there mins.
On Friends and Family, you don't use your mins to start with.
That's faster then having to worry about WHO youre talking to and HOW long you talk to them.
On Friends and Family, you don't use your mins to start with.
That's faster then having to worry about WHO youre talking to and HOW long you talk to them.
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I don't see how a preson who has saved up 100's of roll over minutes will ever be able to use them.
You even lose them when you change your plan. Its a waste.
You even lose them when you change your plan. Its a waste.
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Once again VZW had better retail net adds, ARPU, Churn, expense per customer and is 8 million customers ahead of AT&T.
AT&T has higher total net adds because of prepaid but anyone in the industry knows retail customers are the most sought after.
Here is a great article in the Wall Street Journal about VZW's success, all without the iphone.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090727-712904. ... »
The fact that VZW continues to put up great numbers without the most popular phone on the planet speaks to a successful business plan and superior network. VZW will launch their 4G network a year ahead of AT&T and if they get the 4G iphone, AT&T is going to see churn like Sprint has for years.
AT&T has higher total net adds because of prepaid but anyone in the industry knows retail customers are the most sought after.
Here is a great article in the Wall Street Journal about VZW's success, all without the iphone.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090727-712904. ... »
The fact that VZW continues to put up great numbers without the most popular phone on the planet speaks to a successful business plan and superior network. VZW will launch their 4G network a year ahead of AT&T and if they get the 4G iphone, AT&T is going to see churn like Sprint has for years.
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Once again VZW had better retail net adds, ARPU, Churn, expense per customer and is 8 million customers ahead of AT&T.
AT&T has higher total net adds because of prepaid but anyone in the industry knows retail customers are the most sought after.
Here is a great article in the Wall Street Journal about VZW's success, all without the iphone.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090727-712904. ... »
The fact that VZW continues to put up great numbers without the most popular phone on the planet speaks to a successful business plan and superior network. VZW will launch their 4G network a year ahead of AT&T and if they get the 4G iphone, AT&T is going to see churn like Sprint has for years.
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don't forget that most of Verizon's customer base are direct retail customers while At&t has about 30% of their base from resellers and prepaid.
plus I read iphone was 33% of their new business so that will not carry over to new quarter, not to take away from the success of the iphone but it should be noted.
plus I read iphone was 33% of their new business so that will not carry over to new quarter, not to take away from the success of the iphone but it should be noted.
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