LTE
So, im super excited for the LTE launch!
Excited to see what phones come to Verizon as well!
And that Verizon can put LTE up all over the US except Alaska.
Excited to see what phones come to Verizon as well!
And that Verizon can put LTE up all over the US except Alaska.
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Don't be too excited about the phones. This is how I see it. Vz will use LTE mainly for data cards, not so much on cell phones. This is why, Vz already has a hard time finding manufacturers for its CDMA phones. Let's be honest here, CDMA is pretty much dead. If it wasn't for LG, Moto and Samg they wouldn't have many phones out anyway. Now, picture how much harder will be for Vz to find manufacturers willing to include CDMA chips in their LTE phones. The only solution to this may be releasing LTE only phones, but this will limit you to only the LTE coverage areas.
Most manufacturers are going to be releasing LTE/UMTS/GSM backward compatible phones. Since LTE is more of a normal upgrade path for GSM, than it is for CDMA. So, if you're thinki...
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Most manufacturers are going to be releasing LTE/UMTS/GSM backward compatible phones. Since LTE is more of a normal upgrade path for GSM, than it is for CDMA. So, if you're thinki...
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Oh, let me also add that Motorola's days are numbered. That will leave Vz with only Lg and Samg as the main manufacturers of phones. Will BB come to the rescue? Seeing how long it takes them to release the CDMA versions of their flagship smartphones...... maybe not
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"Oh, let me also add that Motorola's days are numbered. That will leave Vz with only Lg and Samg as the main manufacturers of phones. Will BB come to the rescue? Seeing how long it takes them to release the CDMA versions of their flagship smartphones...... maybe not"
Seeing as Verizon is now the largest cellular phone company in the US maybe so. That is unless RIM is in the business of ignoring a larger customer base...
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Thales
Seeing as Verizon is now the largest cellular phone company in the US maybe so. That is unless RIM is in the business of ignoring a larger customer base...
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Thales
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Hmmm, let's see. 80M CDMA users in the US. (And not every single one of them will get one) Vz 2.5 Billion GSM users in the whole world.
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80 Million in the US?
Verizon has more then 80 Million...
And Verizon will move them to LTE and start to shut down the CDMA network.
Verizon has more then 80 Million...
And Verizon will move them to LTE and start to shut down the CDMA network.
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they say OVER 80 Million strong.
its almost 85 million now after Q4 standings.
its almost 85 million now after Q4 standings.
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Something the other poster missed was that VZW isn't the only CDMA provider. I believe total CDMA is well over 100 million but if someone can check that for me, that would be great 🙂
Also, are you counting trust customers under your numbers or is it already adjusted for the divestitures?
Also, are you counting trust customers under your numbers or is it already adjusted for the divestitures?
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Verizon= 84 milliom
Sprint= 49 million
US Cellular= 7.2 million
Then you have Cricket, Leap, Metro PCS, Cellular South, many more small ones.
thats way over 100 million, closer to 200
Sprint= 49 million
US Cellular= 7.2 million
Then you have Cricket, Leap, Metro PCS, Cellular South, many more small ones.
thats way over 100 million, closer to 200
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Wow...you actually think that Cricket, Leap, Metro PCS and Cellular South have close to 60 million customer's between them? Might want to check your math.... 😲
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did it ever occur to you when i wrote that, i put: there are many MORE small carriers?
please READ.
and there are 44 CDMA carriers in the US.
i only named 7!
please READ.
and there are 44 CDMA carriers in the US.
i only named 7!
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According to www.cdg.org (which several posts have mentioned is the offical CDMA site) there are 145,800,000 CDMA users in the US, slighly short of 2 million.
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short of 2 million?
that stands for 145.8 million
next, i have no idea where they got that number at.
if you add the Sprint, Verizon, and USCC you get a little above 140.--- million.
Canada has customers on CDMA which would put that total over 145.
that stands for 145.8 million
next, i have no idea where they got that number at.
if you add the Sprint, Verizon, and USCC you get a little above 140.--- million.
Canada has customers on CDMA which would put that total over 145.
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CDMA is deployed in over 40 international destinations, too- but I'm sure the lion's share of the CDMA market is still localized to North America.
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I'm just going by the same site that all the other people on this thread are quoting.... 😳
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Alright we're arguing over numbers.
http://cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp?h_area=4 »
According to CDG, there are 145,800,000 CDMA users in the US and Canada. Is that good enough?
http://cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp?h_area=4 »
According to CDG, there are 145,800,000 CDMA users in the US and Canada. Is that good enough?
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Why don't you be fare and compare the number of CDMA users in the world VS. the number of GSM users in the world? You're afraid you won't have a point then, right?
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First of all, I agree with eraser. Second, what/where are those cdma users you're taking about? cdma was big in the americas, yes, but not anymore. The only ones who refuse to let cdma go are Canada and the US. Mainly, due to their size of their cdma networks. But in central and south america, cdma is dying faster than Chris Brown's career.
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According to the offical cdma developers website, there are far more CDMA users in Asia (probably mostly China) than in North America
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp »
Did you really think China was able to settle on one standard any better than the USA when there are between 4 to 5 times more people in China than the USA?
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp »
Did you really think China was able to settle on one standard any better than the USA when there are between 4 to 5 times more people in China than the USA?
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According to CDG.org, the official site for CDMA developers, the number of CDMA users is well over 475 million
http://www.cdg.org/ »
http://www.cdg.org/ »
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"Hmmm, let's see. 80M CDMA users in the US. (And not every single one of them will get one) Vz 2.5 Billion GSM users in the whole world. "
Right, because it would be a sound business idea for them to ignore CDMA carriers because they have less customers. Sure glad you don't run a large business.
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Thales
Right, because it would be a sound business idea for them to ignore CDMA carriers because they have less customers. Sure glad you don't run a large business.
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Thales
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When a carriers buys up another carrier not all of the customers stay with that new carrier. It'll take a while for the TRUE numbers to be reflected in Verizon's customer base.
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I'm excited about having phones in the future (albeit not the near future) that will be compatible with both AT&T and Verizon - best of both worlds!
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I just don't see AT&T expanding this really fast.
I mean look at there 3G network.
It breaks down half the time and covers no where near Verizons 3G does.
And verizon can cover the whole US with LTE except Alaska, not AT&T.
I mean look at there 3G network.
It breaks down half the time and covers no where near Verizons 3G does.
And verizon can cover the whole US with LTE except Alaska, not AT&T.
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You really don't know what you're talking about. I'm done with your nonsense.
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I do know what im talking about.
haha.
i can tell someone hates the truth.
haha.
i can tell someone hates the truth.
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I'm coming in a little late and uninformed about LTE. I heard that Verizon is switching over to this platform some months back, and getting away from CDMA. What I want to know is, in English without the technical jargon, if LTE uses a sim card similar to the GSM network, will it work the same as the GSM phones, one, and two, will it be able to be used on the GSM networks if you take it overseas? And if not, why is Verizon messing around with LTE in the first place? Ultimately, the whole globe should be on one system at some point, right?
Please explain this to me. Many thanks.
Please explain this to me. Many thanks.
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Yes, LTE uses SIM Cards.
Yes, Verizon is getting away from the CDMA network.
Yes, this means you wont need to change phones if you go over seas.
And yes, you can use unlock phones.
Yes, Verizon is getting away from the CDMA network.
Yes, this means you wont need to change phones if you go over seas.
And yes, you can use unlock phones.
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How much of the US is covered by LTE now, and are LTE phones available?
As I mentioned in a previous post, I am an Alltel subscriber who will be taken over by Verizon in the very near future. I am eligible to upgrade with Alltel, but until Verizon makes the takeover complete, I will stay with the phone I have, a Moto V3m. I have my eye on a world phone, probably the Samsung Renown if I were to buy it today. There is a better than even chance I will be moving overseas at some point. I want a phone that will work there before I make the permanent move. If the Renown will do it, great!
As I mentioned in a previous post, I am an Alltel subscriber who will be taken over by Verizon in the very near future. I am eligible to upgrade with Alltel, but until Verizon makes the takeover complete, I will stay with the phone I have, a Moto V3m. I have my eye on a world phone, probably the Samsung Renown if I were to buy it today. There is a better than even chance I will be moving overseas at some point. I want a phone that will work there before I make the permanent move. If the Renown will do it, great!
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LTE wont be out commercially till 2010 on Verizon, then later on for the others.
Its being tested right now.
This summer they will add it in 25-30 markets, like Verizon did with 3G EVDO.
What country are you going to?
Its being tested right now.
This summer they will add it in 25-30 markets, like Verizon did with 3G EVDO.
What country are you going to?
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I expect to spend some time in the UK, primarily Scotland. I also plan to be in London, England periodically.
So let me get this straight. LTE WILL WORK on the GSM network? I thought GSM was a completely different animal altogether.
Please clarify this for me. I don't want to get stuck with something that won't work when I need it to do so.
Thank you.
So let me get this straight. LTE WILL WORK on the GSM network? I thought GSM was a completely different animal altogether.
Please clarify this for me. I don't want to get stuck with something that won't work when I need it to do so.
Thank you.
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There are no LTE phones out yet, and there wont be until LTE gets fully going in the World.
But the Verizon GSM side of the phone will still work. you dont have anything to worry about.
GSM will still be up with LTE.
But the Verizon GSM side of the phone will still work. you dont have anything to worry about.
GSM will still be up with LTE.
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That would be why I included the phrase "albeit not in the near future". I know ATT is planning on using HSDPA as a "bridge" to LTE which is why there are not working as fast as Verizon to push out LTE. I am just stating in the future, it will be nice. Please don't try to turn every statement made in a forum into a "my carrier can beat up your carrier" flame post - people and posts like your's is why most people looking for valid information frequent other sites.
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Tylerrocks09 is a Verizon crackhead & Verizon zombie, that is why he talks like that.
Obviusly AT&T has 75+ million customers, so therefore they're network can't be as bad as the Verizon crackhead says it is. I've been with Cingular/ATT for over 7yrs, and I've been contract free for almost 3 and a half years, I own a Nokia N95-3, and I get 3G --ALL OVER-- Las Vegas.
If AT&T's network was as bad as that Verizon crackhead says it is I wouldn't have been with them for 7yrs.
Obviusly AT&T has 75+ million customers, so therefore they're network can't be as bad as the Verizon crackhead says it is. I've been with Cingular/ATT for over 7yrs, and I've been contract free for almost 3 and a half years, I own a Nokia N95-3, and I get 3G --ALL OVER-- Las Vegas.
If AT&T's network was as bad as that Verizon crackhead says it is I wouldn't have been with them for 7yrs.
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having your head cracked open as a zombie presents a conflict of interest too...
braaaaains.....
braaaaains.....
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How fast do you honestly think Verizon will have "the entire US except for Alaska" blanketed in excellent LTE coverage? Its not a simple software upgrade - you are talking about deploying a substantially more expensive network across the entire country, building and bridging all these systems to their current CDMA systems, etc. That's not going to happen overnight.
That's why ATT is going down the path they are going - software upgrades (not building entire new networks) will push their data speeds up to 14.4 mbits/s while Verizon will have faster speeds, but not nearly as strong and heavy as footprint as they currently do with EVDO. AS well, as has been pointed out in several differnt posts, I don't see many phone manufacturers scrambin...
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That's why ATT is going down the path they are going - software upgrades (not building entire new networks) will push their data speeds up to 14.4 mbits/s while Verizon will have faster speeds, but not nearly as strong and heavy as footprint as they currently do with EVDO. AS well, as has been pointed out in several differnt posts, I don't see many phone manufacturers scrambin...
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I think they're hoping for some Government subsidies to build out these networks 😎
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Heck, we are throwing money at everyone else right now, why not Verizon too? 😛
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Most other countries do it anyways so why not us? Then we can have our 100MBps internet too!
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Its going to be like this:
Q)Verizon is working on its 4G network. This might suggest that Verizon is running out of 3G capacity. How long before Verizon's 3G network is tapped out?
A)Lynch: We could go for years on our 3G architecture by adding capacity. And there are a lot of things you can do to add capacity. But they're all more costly than moving to 4G, and they offer the same performance people experience today. And eventually, we think customers will find that insufficient for what they want to do in the future.
We can continue to add capacity, but we think in the next two to three to four years that consumer expectations will outclass the 3G network. That's why we are moving so quickly. We want to be there when the first w...
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Q)Verizon is working on its 4G network. This might suggest that Verizon is running out of 3G capacity. How long before Verizon's 3G network is tapped out?
A)Lynch: We could go for years on our 3G architecture by adding capacity. And there are a lot of things you can do to add capacity. But they're all more costly than moving to 4G, and they offer the same performance people experience today. And eventually, we think customers will find that insufficient for what they want to do in the future.
We can continue to add capacity, but we think in the next two to three to four years that consumer expectations will outclass the 3G network. That's why we are moving so quickly. We want to be there when the first w...
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dromant said:
How fast do you honestly think Verizon will have "the entire US except for Alaska" blanketed in excellent LTE coverage?
You need to do a little homework on 700 MHz wave propagation. 700 MHz cell sizes can be HUGE compared to 2100 MHz cells and even 850 MHz band cells.
To blanket L.A. with "enough" LTE coverage to support a variant of VOIP over LTE would only require making hardware and backhaul upgrades to about 10% of the existing towers. Now, as more and more LTE only non-CDMA devices get activated,and consumer data appetite increases, then they'll have to subdivide the propagation zones and add capacity by shrinking cell sizes, but to launch the service initially will not require any...
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LOL...I understand the science behind the benefits of 700 MHz compared to other frequencies, what I was simply stating is that the original post was comparing Veizon's excellent 3g coverage now, to what LTE will be in 2009/2010.
Sure, it will not take long to get enough built out where a couple of thousand laptop connect users can easily use and access LTE in most major metro areas. What I'm talking about is how long to have the type of coverage they have with 3g right now - where their network is widely considered top notch - and be able to handle what will probably be over 90 million customer's seamlessly? All I'm trying to say is there will probably be some growing pains along the way. Will Verizon be better off for it in the long run...
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Sure, it will not take long to get enough built out where a couple of thousand laptop connect users can easily use and access LTE in most major metro areas. What I'm talking about is how long to have the type of coverage they have with 3g right now - where their network is widely considered top notch - and be able to handle what will probably be over 90 million customer's seamlessly? All I'm trying to say is there will probably be some growing pains along the way. Will Verizon be better off for it in the long run...
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