Verizon is anti-union!
Got my CWA newsletter last night in the mail. There's an article about Verizon firing workers for trying to unionize their call center. gee, Ain't that against the law?
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Wow... I wanna jump on this one... I don't know where this artice is originating from, but I seriously doubt its credibility. I'm not doubting that VzW would prefer their employees to not be unionized, but I am HIGHLY doubting they fired anyone in the regard you noted. Secondly... VzW is constantly being voted one of the top 50 places to work in several markets. I think this post is bogus.
Refernce the article, please.
~Steve
Refernce the article, please.
~Steve
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It's in the January edition of the Communication Workers of America union newsletter. What I will do is grab a copy if one's available here at work and see if it is online anywhere.
And they did fire 2 people, I will offer proof as soon as I grab a copy.
And they did fire 2 people, I will offer proof as soon as I grab a copy.
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coldsteel said:
It's in the January edition of the Communication Workers of America union newsletter. What I will do is grab a copy if one's available here at work and see if it is online anywhere.
And they did fire 2 people, I will offer proof as soon as I grab a copy.
That'd be great, thank you. If you could prove the existence of the article, that would be great, and I'd like to read it. Though I'm not sure the article provides proof that 2 employees were actually fired for these reasons. Not to mention, I'm sure the Communication Workers of America newsletter is extremely biased on the situation. I'm sure they'd like to unionize VzW's tens of thousands of reps. The article, I'm sure has no proof...
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Sure is easy to tell who is anti-union here, "bias, credibility, and bogus 'no proof' emotions" aside.
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canddmeyer said:
Sure is easy to tell who is anti-union here, "bias, credibility, and bogus 'no proof' emotions" aside.
huh?
Is this comment referring to me? I really, honestly don't understand the statement.
Huh?
~Steve
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If Verizon is anti-union they are merely joining 80%+ of American employers who don't want the intrusion to their business that a union gives.
Since less than 20% of all American employees are represented by a union it is just a trend to not be union.
I myself was a pro union rah rah boy until I became a shop steward and saw the lack of integrity that the union possessed.
I worked for Pacific Northwest Bell and saw that the CWA did little or nothing for their employees. Working conditions were appalling, the average person worked split shifts and promotion was done merely by seniority and not merit. The result was a company that had a poor reputation with their customers and couldn't do much otherwise because the union contract stipulat...
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Since less than 20% of all American employees are represented by a union it is just a trend to not be union.
I myself was a pro union rah rah boy until I became a shop steward and saw the lack of integrity that the union possessed.
I worked for Pacific Northwest Bell and saw that the CWA did little or nothing for their employees. Working conditions were appalling, the average person worked split shifts and promotion was done merely by seniority and not merit. The result was a company that had a poor reputation with their customers and couldn't do much otherwise because the union contract stipulat...
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canddmeyer said:I'm pro-union.
Sure is easy to tell who is anti-union here, "bias, credibility, and bogus 'no proof' emotions" aside.
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It's a mixture of both, really...xD It's can be good, but it can be bad...just depends on the environment.
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I hate the CWA with a passion... At least our district... They are so worthless.
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Unions for skilled workers are good and necesary. Any worker who has a learned skill that sets him apart from other workers has a right and a responsibility to participate in a Union with other workers who have that same skill. This ensures that the people making the decisions are the best at the job.
Unions for unskilled workers (ex: Customer Service, Sales, Telesales, etc...) are counter productive and result in bad decisions and bad choices. This is because the people making the decisions are not qualified to do so. Instead, they take on a mob mentality of 'Give us everything we want or else' and cripple the company.
Verizon employes less than %5 skilled workers. These are engeneniers/technicians who work on the towers. These ...
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Unions for unskilled workers (ex: Customer Service, Sales, Telesales, etc...) are counter productive and result in bad decisions and bad choices. This is because the people making the decisions are not qualified to do so. Instead, they take on a mob mentality of 'Give us everything we want or else' and cripple the company.
Verizon employes less than %5 skilled workers. These are engeneniers/technicians who work on the towers. These ...
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VZWCustServ said:
Unions for unskilled workers (ex: Customer Service, Sales, Telesales, etc...) are counter productive and result in bad decisions and bad choices.
This is the crux of the mentality that the corporate penny pinchers have towards customer service employees. To say that these jobs are "unskilled" is insulting at best. So, let me see... answering 50-100 calls while troubleshooting, working with 8-10 computer programs, and keeping a smile during a high paced day isn't a skill? Sales isn't a skill? You sir are a complete and utter moron if you believe so. Customer service and Sales is the only reason any of these companies are able to do business. Maybe you lack any real skills and yo...
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shadedpain4 said:My mother and father's unions protected their jobs, benefits, pensions, and other job-related liberties for over 30 years. For that they have my thanks.
I think unions are evil. But thats just me 🙂
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muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:My mother and father's unions protected their jobs, benefits, pensions, and other job-related liberties for over 30 years. For that they have my thanks.
I think unions are evil. But thats just me 🙂
Im not saying they arent beneficial, just that they are evil. Plenty of things are beneficial (tax evasion, theft...), but that doesnt make them right. 🙂
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Sure!
Unions were created when, for the most part, we didnt have an federal labor laws to protect workers. Unions did a wonderful thing and filled this gap, protecting workers.
Now that we have a plethora of labor laws to protect workers, unions have morphed into something that usually just serves the greed of the workforce. In many cases it protects tenured workers who have so much job security that thier performance is no longer connected to keeping thier job.
Companies are forced to pay workers who arent working as hard more money with little options for unioned employees that arent pulling thier weight.
I just believe for the most part unions have survived past thier honorable intentions and now just serve employee's wishes t...
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Unions were created when, for the most part, we didnt have an federal labor laws to protect workers. Unions did a wonderful thing and filled this gap, protecting workers.
Now that we have a plethora of labor laws to protect workers, unions have morphed into something that usually just serves the greed of the workforce. In many cases it protects tenured workers who have so much job security that thier performance is no longer connected to keeping thier job.
Companies are forced to pay workers who arent working as hard more money with little options for unioned employees that arent pulling thier weight.
I just believe for the most part unions have survived past thier honorable intentions and now just serve employee's wishes t...
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Sure!
Unions were created when, for the most part, we didnt have an federal labor laws to protect workers. Unions did a wonderful thing and filled this gap, protecting workers.
Now that we have a plethora of labor laws to protect workers, unions have morphed into something that usually just serves the greed of the workforce. In many cases it protects tenured workers who have so much job security that thier performance is no longer connected to keeping thier job.
Companies are forced to pay workers who arent working as hard more money with little options for unioned employees that arent pulling thier weight.
I just believe for the most part unions have survived past thier honorable intentions
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shadedpain4 said:That's way out of context.muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:My mother and father's unions protected their jobs, benefits, pensions, and other job-related liberties for over 30 years. For that they have my thanks.
I think unions are evil. But thats just me 🙂
Im not saying they arent beneficial, just that they are evil. Plenty of things are beneficial (tax evasion, theft...), but that doesnt make them right. 🙂
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muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:That's way out of context.muchdrama said:shadedpain4 said:My mother and father's unions protected their jobs, benefits, pensions, and other job-related liberties for over 30 years. For that they have my thanks.
I think unions are evil. But thats just me 🙂
Im not saying they arent beneficial, just that they are evil. Plenty of things are beneficial (tax evasion, theft...), but that doesnt make them right. 🙂
Yet somehow still humorous.
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OK, here's a link to the story on http://www.cwa-union.org
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/WhatsNew.asp?ID=546 »
http://www.cwa-union.org/news/WhatsNew.asp?ID=546 »
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Let me just say how much I hate unions. They do nothing for the good good workers, they just allow the slackers to get there jobs back when they get fired for not performing. One of the top reasons I took a job with VZW is because they do not have a union. I have compared the benefits and salary that VZW offers compared to the benefits and salary that Cingular gets under there contract and VZW employees get more. Also keep in mind that the CWA said that the last Cingular contract was the ideal contract for the cellular industry. Not sure why since at the VZW the employees get more, but that was what the CWA said.
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jhmlbrgr said:
Let me just say how much I hate unions. They do nothing for the good good workers, they just allow the slackers to get there jobs back when they get fired for not performing. One of the top reasons I took a job with VZW is because they do not have a union. I have compared the benefits and salary that VZW offers compared to the benefits and salary that Cingular gets under there contract and VZW employees get more. Also keep in mind that the CWA said that the last Cingular contract was the ideal contract for the cellular industry. Not sure why since at the VZW the employees get more, but that was what the CWA said.
I absolutely DETEST unions. Unions were establish in early part of the 1...
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Let me just say how much I hate unions. They do nothing for the good good workers, they just allow the slackers to get there jobs back when they get fired for not performing.And they protected my Dad's pension he'd worked 30 years for when the City of Miami (what a pit) decided they were going to go after the Miami Firefighters pension because the city had been run into the ground (bankruptcy) by Mayor Joe Carollo (look up scumbag in the dictionary...you'll see fat Joe smiling back at you). A union also protected my Mom during a dispute with the school district she worked for.
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muchdrama said:Let me just say how much I hate unions. They do nothing for the good good workers, they just allow the slackers to get there jobs back when they get fired for not performing.And they protected my Dad's pension he'd worked 30 years for when the City of Miami (what a pit) decided they were going to go after the Miami Firefighters pension because the city had been run into the ground (bankruptcy) by Mayor Joe Carollo (look up scumbag in the dictionary...you'll see fat Joe smiling back at you). A union also protected my Mom during a dispute with the school district she worked for.
My apologies for the statement that they do nothing... a rant is all I was doing, and ag...
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Stevo2k4 said:...muchdrama said:Let me just say how much I hate unions. They do nothing for the good good workers, they just allow the slackers to get there jobs back when they get fired for not performing.And they protected my Dad's pension he'd worked 30 years for when the City of Miami (what a pit) decided they were going to go after the Miami Firefighters pension because the city had been run into the ground (bankruptcy) by Mayor Joe Carollo (look up scumbag in the dictionary...you'll see fat Joe smiling back at you). A union also protected my Mom during a dispute with the school district she worked for.
My apologies for the statement that they do nothing..
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The article, to me, depicted a bunch of whiners messing with VzWs business by driving customers away. According to the writing (and peoples responses to this post) though, I don't see any indication of making VzW employees desiring to be unioninzed.
"A number of Verizon workers have been fired or disciplined for trying to organize their co-workers and 1,100 lost their jobs in August when the company closed call centers in Orangeburg, N.Y., and Morristown, N.J. "
As for this particular line. Yes, it's true those centers closed. One large center was built in South Carolina for many good reasons. (The new center beautiful, by the way, has a damn gym in it.) What this article fails to mention is that those employees were offered their...
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"A number of Verizon workers have been fired or disciplined for trying to organize their co-workers and 1,100 lost their jobs in August when the company closed call centers in Orangeburg, N.Y., and Morristown, N.J. "
As for this particular line. Yes, it's true those centers closed. One large center was built in South Carolina for many good reasons. (The new center beautiful, by the way, has a damn gym in it.) What this article fails to mention is that those employees were offered their...
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Stevo2k4 said:
"A number of Verizon workers have been fired or disciplined for trying to organize their co-workers and 1,100 lost their jobs in August when the company closed call centers in Orangeburg, N.Y., and Morristown, N.J. "
As for this particular line. Yes, it's true those centers closed. One large center was built in South Carolina for many good reasons. (The new center beautiful, by the way, has a damn gym in it.) What this article fails to mention is that those employees were offered their existing salaries (some pays were increased) at the new center in SC. Further, they were offered $10,000 relocation pay (with more for supervisors and management)!
~Steve
That IS a pretty sweet deal...
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coldsteel said:...Stevo2k4 said:
"A number of Verizon workers have been fired or disciplined for trying to organize their co-workers and 1,100 lost their jobs in August when the company closed call centers in Orangeburg, N.Y., and Morristown, N.J. "
As for this particular line. Yes, it's true those centers closed. One large center was built in South Carolina for many good reasons. (The new center beautiful, by the way, has a damn gym in it.) What this article fails to mention is that those employees were offered their existing salaries (some pays were increased) at the new center in SC. Further, they were offered $10,000 relocation pay (with more for supervisors and management)!
~Steve
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No, of course not. I wonder, tho, if Verizon does or does not have new hires sign a disclaimer that they will not try to bring an union into the workplace. Last outsource center I worked at did this, because they were afraid of losing accounts due to a stoppage (perfectly understandable). I would think that a company-owned call center would not have that restriction, due to no account to lose, tho...
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coldsteel said:
I wonder, tho, if Verizon does or does not have new hires sign a disclaimer that they will not try to bring an union into the workplace. Last outsource center I worked at did this, because they were afraid of losing accounts due to a stoppage...
Teletech?
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Sykes Enterprises. Worked Compaq, HP, Compuserve/Walmart Connect, Pegasus Satellite, and SBC/Yahoo DSL accounts for the 5 years I was there.
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I would like to reply to the part of the cwa's assertion the VZW closed Orangeburg & Morristown because of the employees trying to unioinize. I was one of the workers from NE who was effected by the closure and I can tell you it was not because of us employees wanted to unionize and nobody was fired for that reason. Those of us effected were offered to go to NC or SC. to brand new state of the art call centers and alot of us gladly went because of VZW being a great company to work for. It says alot about a company when a good majority of the people effected decided to move.
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Actually, that paragraph reads, 'A number of verizon workers have been fired or disciplined for trying to organize their co-workers AND 1100 lost their jobs in August when the company closed call centers in Orangeburg, NJ and Morristown NJ.'
It IS ambiguous, but the intent I read is 2 reps were fired for trying to organize, and that people lost their jobs due to centers being closed.
It IS ambiguous, but the intent I read is 2 reps were fired for trying to organize, and that people lost their jobs due to centers being closed.
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Boo to your alarmist, uneducated post.
Not only is Verizon consistently rated by a number of magazines as one of the best places to work (top 100 places for working mothers, top 100 for diversity in the workplace etc) our non-unionized workforce receives better compensation, better benefits, and better salary bonuses along with merit increases than what the few employees who are in the wireless union have ne. I remember reviewing the numbers when I started my job and thinking it wasn't even close by comparison.
Frankly, while everyone feels like they can make more or should make more money, I feel Verizon Wireless' compensation is excellent. I work hard to be one of the best in my center and I feel well rewarded for working hard, I ...
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Not only is Verizon consistently rated by a number of magazines as one of the best places to work (top 100 places for working mothers, top 100 for diversity in the workplace etc) our non-unionized workforce receives better compensation, better benefits, and better salary bonuses along with merit increases than what the few employees who are in the wireless union have ne. I remember reviewing the numbers when I started my job and thinking it wasn't even close by comparison.
Frankly, while everyone feels like they can make more or should make more money, I feel Verizon Wireless' compensation is excellent. I work hard to be one of the best in my center and I feel well rewarded for working hard, I ...
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BBKahuna said:
Boo to your alarmist, uneducated post.
Boo to you back. 😎
I am just reporting on an article in the union newsletter, and have posted the proof on this forum. Have you read the article?
As to benefits, happy to see you're happy with your benefits. My job at Cingular is the first under any union, and to be honest, I am lukewarm to the union, due to their practice here in Tulsa of NOT reminding you that Oklahoma is a right-to-work state when they come to lobby you during training. Why would they, of course... 🤣 However, the ONLY job I've ever had that had BETTER bennies (medical plan, etc) was the Army! 😳
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No, you are reading one article that clearly doesn't have an accurate picture and extrapolating that into some ridiculous post with a misleading at best title to elicit attention.
So again, boo.
So again, boo.
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I didn't extrapolate a d**n thing. I am just quoting directly from the article. Bite me. 😛
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Congratulations, you stooped to idiot insults on an online wireless forum.
You lose.
You lose.
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Verizon has been in favor of unions for years... they want everyone to JOIN IN!
[If this article even exists, it's probably about Verizon Communications. Half the folks at the Union don't even understand that VZ is not the same company as VZW.]
[If this article even exists, it's probably about Verizon Communications. Half the folks at the Union don't even understand that VZ is not the same company as VZW.]
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If VZW ever decides to go union... i hope it's not with those bastards at the CWA... The CWA is nothing but dogs... They lie, lie, lie, to get you to signup... Then they make it hell for you to leave... Everything they promise is a lie, they take credit for the companies accomplishements... They're utterly worthless...
Cingular renegotiated their benefits plans w/ their carriers to be better for us... The premiums dropped and the benefits went up... The CWA had the augasity to take credit for that! They go into training rooms everyday and through their mouth of lies state "We fight for your benefits, we have managed to get the premiums down and the benefits up!" Which is crap... The only thing the union has really done is negotiate some $...
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Cingular renegotiated their benefits plans w/ their carriers to be better for us... The premiums dropped and the benefits went up... The CWA had the augasity to take credit for that! They go into training rooms everyday and through their mouth of lies state "We fight for your benefits, we have managed to get the premiums down and the benefits up!" Which is crap... The only thing the union has really done is negotiate some $...
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If VZW ever decides to go union... i hope it's not with those bastards at the CWA... The CWA is nothing but dogs... They lie, lie, lie, to get you to signup... Then they make it hell for you to leave... Everything they promise is a lie, they take credit for the companies accomplishements... They're utterly worthless...
Cingular renegotiated their benefits plans w/ their carriers to be better for us... The premiums dropped and the benefits went up... The CWA had the augasity to take credit for that! They go into training rooms everyday and through their mouth of lies state "We fight for your benefits, we have managed to get the premiums down and the benefits up!" Which is crap... The only thing the union has
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