Astronaut HS 88 said:
But at&t is abandoning their technology as well.

They were already at a dead end. They are not abandoning anything....Can you say UMB (the UMB, the successor technology of their current CDMA1x EvDO network). I guess they like the path ATT is taking better even though they have hardly reached the dead end ATT has.

It has nothing to do with what at&t is doing, you need to think much bigger. LTE will be the worldwide standard and Vodaphone is also trialing it and China Mobile announced it will today as well even though China tends to want to use homegrown technology to avoid royalty fees.

All I can say is think bigger than at@t Joe, this is about world domination 🙂

bigdaddyjay said:
It has nothing to do with what at&t is doing, you need to think much bigger. LTE will be the worldwide standard and Vodaphone is also trialing it and China Mobile announced it will today as well even though China tends to want to use homegrown technology to avoid royalty fees.

All I can say is think bigger than at@t Joe, this is about world domination 🙂

Isn't it Always? However I believe this move is not to Verizon's liking. They habe to offer much more then they currently do. They will not be able to overlay their phones with their same old GUI.
They will have to charge more for features and explain why...because it won't be all about the network. Millions of Verizon's users will s...
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AvgJoe said: Millions of Verizon's users will suddenly see what they have been missing and paying too much for.

No they won't, the general public doesn't care. There wont be any great revelation of missing features or mass migration to a different carrier.

Yeah they will you are verizon brainwashed!!

just like you're sprint brainwashed

Oh sprint is so wonderful sprint is so great, sprint is like the #4 carrier in the country and has to give everything away just to try and keep cutoerms... but we'll soon have Wi-MAX

WI-Max will save us! just like evdo was gonna!

so sprint is gona build another network that no one outside the US will support.

As for LTE lets face it LTE is not GSM it's a whole new standard. Hence te reason it is a 4G network not another 3g network standard. AT&T and VZW are both oing LTE for very similar reason. World wide coverage. No more well yeah your phone can work over seas so long as you have this other sim chip that'll work over there.

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Voda would not be able to afford VZ landline based off of their debt load. I could see a merger of Verizon communications and Voda in the future but not a buyout of Verizon.
There was speculation a year ago the Verizon was working with an investment group and looking at buying out Voda.

bigdaddyjay said:
Voda would not be able to afford VZ landline based off of their debt load. I could see a merger of Verizon communications and Voda in the future but not a buyout of Verizon.
There was speculation a year ago the Verizon was working with an investment group and looking at buying out Voda.

Actually it was Voda who was being pressured by their shareholders to sell out to VZ. VOD shareholders do not want Verizon wireless. I think they see the growth limited to the US and the market is getting saturated. UNLESS Verizon Wireless can find a way to go international

The ONLY way they can do that is abandon their upgrade path and jump on the GSM wagon.

Hello ...

The world is going LTE ... VZW is goint LTE ...
Where do we see this headed.

And actually while they may have a bit of Debt load VZW is a cash cow, and landline is becoming profitable again thanks to fios which is also a cash cow.

It would be nothing for them to scoop up VZ, pull out the parts they want and let the rest sell off or die.

Mordikar said:
Hello ...

The world is going LTE ... VZW is goint LTE ...
Where do we see this headed.

And actually while they may have a bit of Debt load VZW is a cash cow, and landline is becoming profitable again thanks to fios which is also a cash cow.

It would be nothing for them to scoop up VZ, pull out the parts they want and let the rest sell off or die.

You call 3 Billion in cash vs 31 BILLION in Debt "A bit of debt" a CASH COW? I'm glad you are not my investment advisor.LOL

The same investment guy that forgot to advise you to sell of Google while it was over 700?

bigdaddyjay said:
The same investment guy that forgot to advise you to sell of Google while it was over 700?

No the same investment guys that told me not to sell when EXC peaked at $60 pre split then then dropped 30% to the 40's in Summer 2002 then split to a share adjusted $8.46 a share aand now is a split/dividend adjusted $2.90. LOL , The same guys who told me to hang on to QSII as it dropped 25% in 2004, The same guys who told me to hang on to NUAN when it peaked at $5 in early 2001 and dropped 50%!!! I bought MORE of those good companies Like i would buy more GOOG if it were to drop to my buying point of $224.

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I don't need advise, buying large tracts of property in areas that will see great growth after the market picks up plus getting a tax break on it and buying on the cheap.

bigdaddyjay said:
I don't need advise, buying large tracts of property in areas that will see great growth after the market picks up plus getting a tax break on it and buying on the cheap.

Good for you. Let us know how that all works out for ya.

Will do, its truely a great deal though. Income from CRP/tillable rent income from farmers/timber income/hunting lease income and a place for me to hunt all while the property goes up in value due to its location in one of the best areas in the world for trophy whitetail deer. Sure beats looking at the ticker go up and down on stocks and hoping they don't drop out anytime soon.

bigdaddyjay said:
Will do, its truely a great deal though. Income from CRP/tillable rent income from farmers/timber income/hunting lease income and a place for me to hunt all while the property goes up in value due to its location in one of the best areas in the world for trophy whitetail deer. Sure beats looking at the ticker go up and down on stocks and hoping they don't drop out anytime soon.

Different strokes, I don't look at tickers everyday. Maybe once a month. Im not a trader. I pay for research and act on the advice after deciding myself if I want to "be in that business", I then buy small and add on dips.Let it go unless I get a sell from my guys...Meaning the company has had a buy out offer or th...
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My brother is looking at Vegas, wants to quit his job to play poker. He already won a seat to the finals in July and is looking to buy a place out there or go 50/50 with me. I know that market went skyward then dumped. My wife also wants to start watching for property in California since there are areas that are bad out there and dropped(Stockton). I love Vegas but that is only a two or three time a year exposure 😉

bigdaddyjay said:
My brother is looking at Vegas, wants to quit his job to play poker. He already won a seat to the finals in July and is looking to buy a place out there or go 50/50 with me. I know that market went skyward then dumped. My wife also wants to start watching for property in California since there are areas that are bad out there and dropped(Stockton). I love Vegas but that is only a two or three time a year exposure 😉

Yeah there is something about Las Vegas thats reserved for visitors. When you live there you you don't go to the strip much unless you work there,

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We were out there in July and my brother was playing low buy in limit at the Rio with all the guys that got knocked out of the world series and also played at the Luxor. He paid about two grand for his trip out there and for our wedding present and paid his trip off in the first day. By the time we left he was up over 6k from playing low buy in limit poker in less than a week 😳
Here in the Chicago area he banks. Won a 10k seat on the world series already and made over 40k last year playing on weekends in Indiana and local river boats and makes 100k or so to boot as a UNIX admin. Dang lil punk paid cash for a fully loaded Audi TT brand new with his poker stash from the last couple of years. Knowing him he will win something big and buy a ...
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bigdaddyjay said:
We were out there in July and my brother was playing low buy in limit at the Rio with all the guys that got knocked out of the world series and also played at the Luxor. He paid about two grand for his trip out there and for our wedding present and paid his trip off in the first day. By the time we left he was up over 6k from playing low buy in limit poker in less than a week 😳
Here in the Chicago area he banks. Won a 10k seat on the world series already and made over 40k last year playing on weekends in Indiana and local river boats and makes 100k or so to boot as a UNIX admin. Dang lil punk paid cash for a fully loaded Audi TT brand new with his poker stash from the last couple of years. Knowing hi

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Verizon didn't grow to over 60 million customers by being stupid or greedy, they have the highest retention rate in the industry and didn't but a 20 million customer plus business to compete.
Something big is around the corner Joe and it will only get better for Verizon from there. LTE is the chosen path to take and Verizon will utilize it as the best business plan for the future, hate all you want but VZW coming out swinging in 2008 and will turn the cell industry upside down.

bigdaddyjay said:
Verizon didn't grow to over 60 million customers by being stupid or greedy, they have the highest retention rate in the industry and didn't but a 20 million customer plus business to compete.
Something big is around the corner Joe and it will only get better for Verizon from there. LTE is the chosen path to take and Verizon will utilize it as the best business plan for the future, hate all you want but VZW coming out swinging in 2008 and will turn the cell industry upside down.

Not gonna happen. They are becoming more GSM -like everyday, No more EV-Do even though that system is far from at it's dead end anda all the VZ fan-boys touted it as the future.

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Joe- You have no idea what is going to happen and are quite clueless. VZW is going to rock the industry soon, just sit back and wait! Oh, and it won't be long.

P.S. VZW isn't jumping on the GSM bandwagon, they are one of the pioneers that are testing the LTE technology and were one of the first to commit to LTE, even before at@t. at@t jumped on the LTE bandwagon after VZW announced it would.

All 4G paths require a complete network hardware change so now is the time for VZW to align with Europe and the rest of the world on LTE, the future dominant standard of telecommunications.

Give it a week and tell me what you think Joe, that is all I can say right now.

Let me answer that for you instead of getting some bogus crap answer from AT&T BOY. LTE will require new phones programed to work on LTE. LTE will not work with GSM nor CDMA phones.

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AvgJoe said:

Astronaut HS 88 said:
Nothing happening in the AT&T forum so you come over here in our piss poor CDMA network just to talk to someone?

I could care less about the Forum title. I LOVE watching guys like System Schlock squirm at the thought of becoming more GSM like.

The arguments in defense of Verizon abandoning their own upgrade path which many have touted is hardly as dead ended as GSM are entertaining if not particularly informative..

avgjoe: will gsm phones be usable on lte system.

Yes they will be backwards compatible.

"UMTS operators that are upgrading to LTE will have a smooth migration path especia...
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Joe...gotta keep up on your tech brother..
http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/qualcomm-adds-lte. ... »

"Qualcomm Adds LTE to Product Roadmap
02/07/2008

Qualcomm Inc. said it has expanded its device and base station chipset roadmaps to include long term evolution (LTE).

The multimode Mobile Data Modem (MDM) chipsets will support LTE, as well as other 3GPP and 3GPP2 standards.The MDM chipsets will allow UMTS and CDMA2000 operators to upgrade to future LTE services while preserving backward compatibility to their existing 3G UMTS and CDMA2000 networks, Qualcomm said. The LTE solutions are scheduled to sample in the second quarter of 2009.

The MDM LTE device chipsets will include MDM9200 chipset designed to support UMTS, HSPA+ and LTE...
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Green Jeep said:
Joe...gotta keep up on your tech brother..
http://www.xchangemag.com/hotnews/qualcomm-adds-lte. ... »

"Qualcomm Adds LTE to Product Roadmap
02/07/2008

Qualcomm Inc. said it has expanded its device and base station chipset roadmaps to include long term evolution (LTE).

The multimode Mobile Data Modem (MDM) chipsets will support LTE, as well as other 3GPP and 3GPP2 standards.The MDM chipsets will allow UMTS and CDMA2000 operators to upgrade to future LTE services while preserving backward compatibility to their existing 3G UMTS and CDMA2000 networks, Qualcomm said. The LTE solutions are scheduled to sample in the second quarter of 2009.

The MDM LTE device chipsets will include MDM9200 chipset de

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AvgJoe said:Because they HAVE to. Not becasue they wanted to. Qualcomm would be dead in the water staying on their current upgrade path while 2 billion subscribers take advantage of LTE. They have no choice.

While I agree that Qualcomm's change to facilitate LTE migrations is a capitulation to the technology, the change I quoted only shows that the same compatibility available to current GSM carriers will now be available to CDMA carriers too.

The difference is that in the creation of LTE, the 3GPP stadard built in a migration path that left CDMA vendors to figure out their path on their own.

However, the end result on this whole LTE deal is this. All have backward capability and the technology was no...
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Green Jeep said:

AvgJoe said:Because they HAVE to. Not becasue they wanted to. Qualcomm would be dead in the water staying on their current upgrade path while 2 billion subscribers take advantage of LTE. They have no choice.

While I agree that Qualcomm's change to facilitate LTE migrations is a capitulation to the technology, the change I quoted only shows that the same compatibility available to current GSM carriers will now be available to CDMA carriers too.

The difference is that in the creation of LTE, the 3GPP stadard built in a migration path that left CDMA vendors to figure out their path on their own.

However, the end result on this whole LTE deal is this. All have backward

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Joe, what kind of crack are you on spewing bs like VOD shareholders wated to sell of VZW ...


VZW makes massive amounts of money for both VOD and VZ communications.

VOD shareholders were not talking about selling off to VZ ... they were talking about BUYING VZ communications in order to gain complette ownership of VZW ...

Get your facts staright before you spew your rhetoric.

LTE is GSM (no it's not it;s a completely seperate 4g network implimentation designed by GSM developers it is NOT in fact GSM)

VZW will have a hard time migrating cause LTE isn't CDMA copatible (Yeah that's why Quallcomm has developed backwards compatible Chipsets and a migration path for CDMA carriers. LTE will got for any carrier it can pick up. T...
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Mordikar said:
Joe, what kind of crack are you on spewing bs like VOD shareholders wated to sell of VZW ...


VZW makes massive amounts of money for both VOD and VZ communications.

VOD shareholders were not talking about selling off to VZ ... they were talking about BUYING VZ communications in order to gain complette ownership of VZW ...

Get your facts staright before you spew your rhetoric.

LTE is GSM (no it's not it;s a completely seperate 4g network implimentation designed by GSM developers it is NOT in fact GSM)

VZW will have a hard time migrating cause LTE isn't CDMA copatible (Yeah that's why Quallcomm has developed backwards compatible Chipsets and a migration path for CDMA carriers. LTE will go

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I never said LTE IS GSM. I said it was the next generation of GSM developed by the GSM community because 2G is dead ended. I said it is more GSM like and it will be because its was initially developed by GSM players. Qualcomm became irrelevant. But Quacom is indeed a cash cow with less than 1 Billion debt and SEVEN BILLION in the bank. They want in even though they already had the next gen UWB going for CDMA
Upon being pressured by Vodaphone(since VZ can not afford the 48 Billion or more to buy out VOD ownership) Verizon dropped the next gen of Qualcomms chip and claimed its jumping on the LTE wagon which suddenly Qualcomm had no other choice but to do the same and develop the new LTE for the Verizon network.

Will they use SIM cards? Wh...
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I bet AvgJoe/Dex1980 has had sex with his AT& T phone though. 🤣

matrix2004 said:
I bet AvgJoe/Dex1980 has had sex with his AT& T phone though. 🤣

Yeah, I think we all know what the MICRO-sd slot on his phone is for. 😳

dude, don't get into a nerd off with them....