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Are they waiting for another disaster to occur?

muchdrama

Apr 30, 2004, 2:54 PM
It's funny how the CTIA has suddenly gotten involved with this mess...someone is throwing around alot of money to derail Nextel. I wonder if they'll all feel satisfied with themselves after the next disaster hits and lives are lost due to the current spectrum mess?
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X9

Apr 30, 2004, 3:18 PM
by someone you mean Verizon 😈
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brady3369

Apr 30, 2004, 3:33 PM
Verizon has nothing to do with it. The proposed solution will resolve the problem without giving Nextel the unfair advantage they were fishing for. Nextel was trying to use the interference with public safety radios to get something for virtually nothing.
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viper

Apr 30, 2004, 7:01 PM
The one fishing for an unfair advantage is Verizon and in doing so they are contradicting themselves.

In effect, they are saying that Nextel should give up some of its spectrum for free. In the very next sentence they (or in this case their front the CTIA) are saying that the FCC should force Nextel to pay $3B or more for spectrum because spectrum is too valuable to give away for free.

Verizon can't have it both ways and our safety should come first. If you take spectrum away from someone its seems fair to give them a replacement for free or at least for a minimal fee, which $3 billion is not.

The one who made the mistake here is the FCC not Nextel. Why then should Nextel pay for the FCC's blunders?
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jhmlbrgr

May 1, 2004, 7:33 AM
3 billion seems like a pretty small amount to me considering that if it when up for an open bid Verizon already said that they would make an INITIAL bid of 5 billion dollars. That spectrum is a public resource and the FCC should only give it to the highest bidder. If they sell it for a lesser amount, they are doing a huge disservice to all of us who pay taxes and FCC surcharges on our cellular bills. They do not miss an opportunity to take money from the little guys, cellular customers, they certainly should not hesitate to get as much as possible from the big boys.
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X9

May 1, 2004, 9:47 AM
Have ot agree with Viper. This is the FCC's error... Not Nextel! To be honest I really don't like nextel but that is irrelavant. The larger companies (Verizon, Cingular etc...) Have alot more money to throw to the FCC. Then a smaller carrier such as Nextel. -> Also with all the current mergers it will become increasingly difficult for smaller companies to survive. So any break they can get for an FCC error is only fair.
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jhmlbrgr

May 1, 2004, 10:25 AM
So you do not think that only having to pay 60% (3billion) of what the STARTING BID would be (5 billion) is a break? I really do feel that is a huge break. And what about us, the users are constantly getting taxed, the the FCC and the government. Lets make some money off of the carrier for once.
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jdhilzdsp

May 1, 2004, 10:44 AM
let's not act like Nextel is some hapless company that the conglomerates are swallowing up. They pai $740 million just to sponsor the Winston Cup of Nascar-JUST TO SPONSOR!!!!!!
Nextel has planty of cash since they have the lowest churn and by far the highest revenue per subscriber.
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scbysnx

May 1, 2004, 11:12 AM
I dunno if you noticed this but they said they'd bid that on 1900mhz spectrum. With this plan nextel gets 2100mhz spectrum as apposed to "the much more valuable 1900mhz spectrum" therefore 1. verizon did NOT bid 5 billion dollars on the 2100mhz band 2. verizon would NOT be giving up and extremely valuable spectrum for FREE due to someone elses mistake. 3. This is a tactic to crush nextel verizon doesn't want a fair market they want to win and I'd be willing to bet that there are ties between some executives at verizon and some people at the ctia. Nextel should get 1900mhz spectrum for a small fee due to the fact that they are having to give up spectrum for free.
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X9

May 1, 2004, 11:33 AM
*I'm all about making the Carriers pay more So that the subscribers do not have to cover the extra taxes and Fees imposed. But all know damn well that regardless of what Nextel pays their customers will not see any decreases in Fees and surcharges. Also Nextel is significantly smaller than Verizon. (So it is irrelevant what Nextel sponsers for Nascar. Likewise Just because Nextel has less churn and better revenue doesn't mean they should pay more!)
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Rich Brome

May 1, 2004, 12:10 PM
Different spectrum.

$5 billion was for the 1900 MHz (extended PCS) spectrum, which everyone agrees is much more valuable. That's because Nextel (or whoever eventually gets it) could use (almost) off-the-shelf CDMA or GSM gear in that band.

The $3 billion is for 2100 MHz spectrum. It's not quite the same as Europe's 2100 MHz band, so it would require new equipment that doesn't exist yet. That would require more money spent on equipment, which is why any reasonable company wouldn't be willing to spend as much on that band of spectrum.
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pattwak

Apr 30, 2004, 6:43 PM
They're not waiting for another disaster to occur. They're trying to make whiney nextel pony up some real cash for nationwide spectrum that it feels it doesn't really need to pay for.

Verizon Wireless and the CTIA are simply trying to make sure that things are fair. $3billion for nationwide spectrum isn't that bad, and it would help to offset the cost of relocating the emergency systems. Verizon offered $5billion for the 1.9ghz spectrum simply because that's what it's worth, probably more.

So get off the high horse, put down the walkie talkie and think about it from outside the nextel box.
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muchdrama

Apr 30, 2004, 7:27 PM
pattwak said:
They're not waiting for another disaster to occur. They're trying to make whiney nextel pony up some real cash for nationwide spectrum that it feels it doesn't really need to pay for.

Verizon Wireless and the CTIA are simply trying to make sure that things are fair. $3billion for nationwide spectrum isn't that bad, and it would help to offset the cost of relocating the emergency systems. Verizon offered $5billion for the 1.9ghz spectrum simply because that's what it's worth, probably more.

So get off the high horse, put down the walkie talkie and think about it from outside the nextel box.

Actually I was referring to the situation in a manner that suggests ALL participants are respon...
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jgibson

May 1, 2004, 2:09 PM
What about the billions the Nextel already spent on the spectrum that they already have that they are willing to give up. Shouldn't Nextel be compensated for the FCC making them pay billions of dollars for that spectrum and then telling Nextel that they have to give it up? With giving up their spectrum they have now and the $850 Million come to about 3.5 billion dollars that they are paying for the spectrum. And you want to talk about fair. Verizon is only in this because if Nextel get the spectrum they lost a big advantage. Verizon is the first company to roll out a high speed data network on that spectrum. Once Nextel get to use that spectrum to Verizon losses the advantage and it is a even playing field again. Verizon and the other carrie...
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jhmlbrgr

May 2, 2004, 6:26 AM
Why is everyone blaming this on VZW?? The story says that the CTIA has the proposal for NEXTEL to get the 2100 spectrum. Does VZW all of a sudden own the CTIA too??? You guys are all ridiculous. Do you think the Cingular or T-Mobile or Sprint want Nextel to get that spectrum any more than VZW does, I doubt it. Every carrier is against Nextel getting cheap spectrum, so why is VZW all off a sudden the anti-christ?
My main point is that no matter the spectrum should not be sold for less than market value. If the 2100 spectrum is not as valuable as the 1900 spectrum than so be it, but still it is the FCC's duty to make sure it is not just given away. Spectrum is public space and no tax payer should want it to be sold for anything less t...
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muchdrama

May 2, 2004, 3:10 PM
jhmlbrgr said:
Why is everyone blaming this on VZW?? The story says that the CTIA has the proposal for NEXTEL to get the 2100 spectrum. Does VZW all of a sudden own the CTIA too??? You guys are all ridiculous. Do you think the Cingular or T-Mobile or Sprint want Nextel to get that spectrum any more than VZW does, I doubt it. Every carrier is against Nextel getting cheap spectrum, so why is VZW all off a sudden the anti-christ?
My main point is that no matter the spectrum should not be sold for less than market value. If the 2100 spectrum is not as valuable as the 1900 spectrum than so be it, but still it is the FCC's duty to make sure it is not just given away. Spectrum is public space and no tax payer should wan
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Rich Brome

May 2, 2004, 4:40 PM
jhmlbrgr said:
Why is everyone blaming this on VZW?? ...

Because the FCC was ready to make a decision a few weeks ago and finally end this mess. But just a few days before the meeting, Verizon put out a very public press release that pre-emptively attacked the decision the FCC was supposedly about to make. I'm talking about the unsolicited $5 billion bid for the 1900 MHz spectrum that the FCC wanted to give to Nextel (for a fraction of that).

The thing is, no one disagrees with Verizon, (except Nextel,) but they did take specific action derail the process, and they were successful.

muchdrama said:
J...I think what everyone's referring to is that the CTIA doesn't usually get involved
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The Alchemist

May 2, 2004, 11:34 AM
Nextel is the only carrier making a profit? Get your financials straight. You lost all credibility with that statement. Anyone on this board can vouch for me (even Rich Brome) when I say, "Nextel IS NOT the only carrier making a profit."
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Fonedoc

May 2, 2004, 9:22 PM
Nextel has yet to bid on Spectrum..let them bid for it, rather than lobby for it!
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viper

May 3, 2004, 7:56 AM
I disagree. Public safety concerns must come first. Verizon is putting their business ahead of the public's safety and that is wrong and a public relations nightmare waiting to happen.

If someone is hurt or dies because of this mess then what will the public think of verizon, the firm who obstructed an impending resolution out of its own greed.

If the FCC believes that the way to resolve this is by moving nextel from part of that spectrum then the FCC must compensate Nextel with new spectrum. It is really that simple.

The FCC has generally given new spectrum to anyone who was forced to move and even compensated them for moving or have you forgotten what the part of PCS auction revenues were used for.

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gangrelated

May 5, 2004, 12:52 PM
with all the billions the goverment is spending on home land security and all that non sense, if there is another disaster, you should drag bush out of the with house and string his red nack ass up with a noose
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