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AT&T: P2P Apps on Mobile Phones, Laptop Cards Not Allowed

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phonerep01

Jul 31, 2008, 9:29 AM
Just so i'm clear on this, would an example of a P2P application be something like streaming a movie on my netflix? or watching youtube clips?
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stevereyes1987

Jul 31, 2008, 9:47 AM
A p2p program is like limewire, morpheus, kazaa and others like that. Where you can search for music, videos, programs and other contect and then download it to your computer.
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nuopus

Jul 31, 2008, 11:44 AM
No. P2P programs are networks that allow you to get files from other "peers". Examples are BitTorrent or LimeWire. This doesn't include YouTube or iTunes. I think they have problems with people downloading large files. I download Linux ISO images all the time, which are 600mb in size or more. I also download LEGAL movies. So if large files are the real reason, why just forbid P2P instead of all large files? Because I don't download my 600mb images from a P2P network.
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jskrenes

Aug 2, 2008, 9:15 AM
One likely reason ATT is only targeting P2P networks is that a lot of what happens there is illegal. Blocking P2P access does a few things: first, it gives more bandwith to people using their aircards for legitimate reasons (not that all P2P is illegal and there is a lot of debate here about how many people can be using how much bandwith before speeds suffer), and second, it clears them of any responsibility for P2P lawsuits.

I don't think this has happened yet, but what if, instead of the music industry pressing charges against individual users who illegally download music, they went after the service providers? Assuming there was legal ground, an ISP makes an easier target, as you only have to sue one entity, and that entity has lo...
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nuopus

Aug 2, 2008, 7:50 PM
P2P traffic like Bittorrent is becoming increasingly popular for legitimate activities for lots of good reasons. My Microsoft Academic Alliance account downloads everything using a P2P type transfer for sending large images of an operating system. I download my Linux isos using bittorrent. Heck, I play WoW, which transfers its updates, including the large ones, via p2p style traffic! Its more efficient and cheaper for people providing large files to seed and use p2p to deliver large content. As data becomes larger and larger, p2p gets more popular. Even though AT&T is faster, I will dump them and go to Sprint because of this.
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Overmann

Aug 2, 2008, 12:47 PM
P2P networks don't just instigate lots of download bandwidth. They also instigate a lot of UPload bandwidth. They also instigate a lot of TCP/IP connections. This puts a big load on any router, that already sorts out millions of packets just for voice, and now has to sort out millions MORE just for the P2P. Plus, with the connection constantly maxed out both ways, that significantly reduces the overall bandwidth available. If you have a bunch of people on Bittorrent, you can easily bog down the carrier's net, much more than downloading large files through more traditional means. Remember Comcast and the lawsuit over Sandvine? If a Cable/Fiber Internet is thrashed by Bittorrent, so much MORE is a cellular net, which has much less bandwidth av...
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stevelvl

Aug 2, 2008, 6:25 PM
no there is a huge difference between streaming and p2p.

very few streaming services exceed 300k/s p2p the other hand will literally use as much bandwidth as it can find.

i my self down load a lot of torrents in fact last week alone i down loaded 60gb this required me to pretty much run my computer non stop that week at an average down load speed of 700k with some spikes upto 1m/s

on a wireless service this is devastating. literally one user on a tower could eat up 90% of the bandwidth. wireless data is divided up differently then terrestrial based services. on cable bandwidth is divided equally to all users. dsl is a dedicated channel. wireless is different your bandwidth is allotted to you as you join if more be comes available ...
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