Verizon Wireless Bows New Smartphones

They probably have too many customers to wake up. They'd have to lose as many customers as Sprint did in the first quarter of 2007 in order to get they're attention.

Sprint lost 250,000 customers in the first quarter this year. Maybe that needs to happen with Verizon!

With the aresneal of devices that AT&T is showering on it's customers, I wouldn't be surprised if VZW started experiencing some heavy churn. At least in its corporate users.

That's good! But that's not really a decision that's made by an individual consumer though right? Usually a company makes that decision as to which carrier they're going to support.

Good point. On a large scale you are correct. But many users like myself are considered business users and do get to decide what carrier to use and are simply reimbursed for our serivce plan and cost of device. For instance, I manage a BES for a mid size company and I allow users to get whatever blackberry they want with whatever service. The only restriction is that it must be a RIM blackberry device in order to run on our network. (Not for me though, I use WM) More of our users are choosing AT&T because of the vastly larger selection of devices and it works in more places like "Atmyfatuglymotherinlawshouseinthemiddleofeff innowwhere, Texas". 😛

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That ""Atmyfatuglymotherinlawshouseinthemiddleofef f innowwhere, Texas".
was really funny!!!

I keep wondering when the day is going to exist when RIM puts out a HSDPA equiped Blackberry!!! Heck, there's an EVDO Blackberry, why not HSDPA???!!!???

Damn straight that needs to happen to Verizon !!

Nice to seeing someone agreeing with me!

Though I am anti Verizon, I gotta say, that LG Voyager is a hot device!!!

I have been in agreement with all of the complaints about VZW, but everyone seems to like the Voyager. I guess I will have to go look at it. I have too many friends and family on Verizon, but I may have to quit caring about that. I just wonder if my experience with AT would really be any better. I know I got tired of Cingular a few years ago.

AT&T was good until it became Cingular. I hated Cingy and went Verizon. Loved the network, hated the phones. AT&T will be a much better expericance than the Cingy days. Of course YMMV according to your geograpic location.

What the heck dods "YMMV" mean???

YMMV stands for "your mileage may vary". So if one carrier is stronger in your area it may be a different experience for someone else in another.

Oh! Thanks for getting back to me.

Well, Cingular/ATT is the only carrier I've ever been with, almost 6yrs, and I live in Las Vegas,. . . no complaints here!

Sprint works just fine for me.

I feel ya, crippling is crippling.

With reguards to them protecting they're customers, as far as I know, nothing gets sent, or recieved from a handset via BT without a user's approval first!!! Like I said, as far as I know. Plus the two devices that are sending/recieving via BT, have to be paired with each other, intentionally, and knowingly, so I don't see how something can happen maliceously could happen. Yeah, I know by the way, I may not have spelt that right.

the most famous incident of BT thievery was when Paris Hilton had her sidekick (or whatever was hot that week) phonebook stolen. Albeit noone wants to steal my phonebook or pictures it could theoretically be an issue for a CEO or gov't official

I thought that came not from BT hacking but from someone figuring out her TMO account password was her dogs name and they accessed her online stuff. I could be wrong. I don't follow that not talent bimbo's life like many do.

I just wanted to say that I like your comment about that Paris Hilton. We live in a world where people worship celebrities, and it's pathetic!!!

Thanks. I believe that if more people cared about their family and friends lives as much as they do Britney's and Paris' then what a better world we'd live in.

so true

Oh, and I failed to mention the stripping of the RAM in half and the camera from a 3mp to a 2pm on the 6800. (I believe that is the device that I read about them doing that on)

The xv6800 has the same amount of memory and same camera as Sprint's version. Try again.

The 6800 is equivalent to the TyTN One, aka the 8525 which AT&T will be phasing out. Verizon is trying to be competative with YEAR OLD hardware. AT&T offers the Tilt, which hit even BEFORE the 6800 has a release date with Verizon and bascially twice the specs! GPS, 256mb memory vs. 128mb of the 6800, faster CPU, and 3mp camera vs. 2mp of the 6800. Again, released BEFORE you even have an offical date on the 6800 from Verizon? My point is, the 6800 is basically an old device that you are still waiting to be released while the rest of the world is passing you by.

What excately is your point? That you are geting (sometime in the near future) year old hardware that is at least equal to what Sprint released months ago?

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Correction: I believe that the 6800 has 256mb ram but still has WM5, nice for a NEW device, and still no GPS, Good, or Blackberry Connect options.

Why bother, really?

My point is most of Verizon's current devices are not crippled, which was the point of your original post. The "TyTN" is not the same as the "Mogul", you say that Verizon takes phones and disables features. I'll take your word that the 8525 has superior hardware, but you aren't comparing the same devices.

If your argument is Verizon can be really slow at releasing phones, I agree. This wasn't (until your last post) a VZW vs ATT thread. I have no interest in arguing no one will ever be in agreement on.

So my question was what does Verizon cripple? You haven't given me one example.

Yes, I already gave you several examples and I'm not going to repeat myself. Go back in the threads and look. My argument is not only are they slow to release phones but they do cripple them as well. You say they don't. Then get you an 8830 and try Telenav without and external BT device. Give me ONE good reason why they crippled that? For TESTING? What? Why can't you transfer music and pictures across BT like all the other carriers on their mainstream devices? You can't pick one or two devices out of 20 that you can do that with and make case. Why not all of them? Is Verizon giving you such a deep discount on voice/data service that they have to make it up on music downloads?

And it't not an AT&T vs Verizon thread. It's a "Verzion can't...
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I have read the entire thread and you haven't given one example. I was the one that pointed out the 8830, not you. You pointed out the Q9M which I pointed out is just as "crippled" the Q9H.
I wasn't choosing one or two devices, I am only saying what I have personal experience with. I am not going to do research on their entire lineup. My point was that most of their phones are not crippled anymore.

I'm not making any excuses, you keep changing your argument. Now your arguing GSM vs CDMA, ugh. When did I say I want a GSM phone I can pop my SIM card into?

Wow. You really are a goober. I gave you examples and whether or not you brought up the 8820, it's still and example of what's crippled. And speaking of not answering questions, you didn't answer mine. Why is it crippled? It's not on any other network? And I'm not going to do your research either and tell you which VZW phones are crippled in what ways.

The Q9 Global, which is what AT&T will offer, is not crippled. I don't know where you came up with that brillant deduction but the GSM devices are not crippled. That's a Verizon thing. The Q9M, VZW's offering, is a repackaged Q. The Global is a different animal altogether. No where did I make the argument that GSM was better than CDMA. Only pointed out the FACT that you can take and put yo...
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I'm guessing the 8830 doesn't have GPS so that they can sell VZ Navigator on it, like they are doing on the pearl.

The Q9H is the global version you are referring to, right? In your definition of "crippled" both are equally crippled, as they both have the same bluetooth profiles, as I already stated! Quit making stuff up like you did with the 8525.

And if you did do some research, it would be your's, not mine. How can you say Verizon phones are crippled and not give one example. I don't care if you are pro/anti/ATT/VZW/CDMA/GSM, just don't make false statements when you have nothing to back it up with.

The 8830 HAS GPS. It doesn't work because it's CRIPPLED you hard head. But hey, I guess if you say "Verizon phones aren't crippled" enought times it might make it true. 🤣

And I didn't make anything up about the 8525. I only made the comparsion that the 6800 is only a slight step up from the 8525 compared to what the Tilt is.

Is there ANYONE here who will agree that Verzion doesn't cripple their devices? And I'll say again, they Q9h is a different device from the Q9m.

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

What capability makes the q9h different then the q9m as far as crippling? You said Verizon crippled the bluetooth on the h so you couldn't use your gps with it, I pointed out they both have the same bluetooth profiles.

I'm happy for you that the only example you can give is the one I gave. I guess that must mean all their phones are crippled since one feature has been delayed. I concede, you win, great job making stuff up. I really like how logical your argument is.

Look... Just because they have the same hardware specs doesn't mean they share the same BT stack. Just becaues the Q9M has the GPS BT connectivity disabled, doesn't mean that the Q9H will. It's the same story as with their RAZR. OBEX file transfer was disabled on Verizon's model but on the GSM version it was not. So I don't see where you are getting your information the software loads are the same for both devices. You must be thinking that the crippling is coming from the hardware side instead of the OS side. The 8830 has the same hardware as the 8800 on GSM. Verizon purposly disables certain hardware capabilities with their firmware. That's why your precious devices stay in "testing" to point they are nearly obsolete uponn release.

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evilhomer said:
Top that with the fact that the 6800 is being released with WM5 and you have a device closer to the 8525 in specs than the new Tilt. Period.

Check the article.

Phonescoop said:XV6800: This HTC-designed slider has a full QWERTY keyboard, 2 Megapixel camera with flash, and Wi-Fi for browsing the internet. It runs Windows Mobile 6.

When you make stupid mistakes like this and base an argument around it, it's really hard to take you seriously.

According to the link below, which is a photo of marketing material with the Verizon logo on it, it has WM5. Most of the actual photos of the device that I've seen show WM5 on the screen. Additionally, Phonescoop HAS been known to get the specs wrong so, give that some thought and click the link.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/12/22/verizon-uts ... »

Hold on a second. According to phonescoop the TyTN has 128mb of ram, a 2mp camera, and it looks like both the TyTN and xv6800 both have a 400mhz processor. So I guess you're just making stuff up at this point.

That's interesting about the Q9M, because on Motorola's webpage, the Q9H is listed as having the same bluetooth profiles. Both only have A2DP and AVRCP or headset/hands-free and stereo profiles. So it doesn't look like the Q9H would support your GPS either (or maybe its crippled too!).

I transfer music and pictures from my computer without a USB cable, VZW's blessing, or third party software all the time. You can use a memory card to transfer all of that. Both my current phone, Moto V9M, and previous, LG vx9900, could send photos via bluetooth or even print via bluetooth straight out of the box. Although I never used it, I think its a worthless feature personally. I've never tried transferring music w/ bluetooth, but why would you want to...
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deh de dee, ONE phone in their whole lineup im so excited!!! 😲

AT&T's free phones allow you both a2dp AND file sharring via bluetooth 😛 (nokia 6080)

Bingo. Verizon's phone crippling is not limited to their two year old devices. Again, you may have some devices that they "allowed" you to use less crippled, but if you compare them with the GSM selection, you'll loose every time.

Did you even read my post before replying? Or my original question? Or are you just trolling?

no im just saying that ALL AT&T's current line-up allow you to ringtones pics & music ALL thru bluetooth...

Wait just a minute now!! According to Turbodeuce, Verizon does NOT cripple it's phones and I am just a liar making up stuff about Verizon... Are you sure you have a VERIZON phone??? :-)

Hey Turbo, how about jumping in here and telling this poor soul how he can just freely transfer pics over BT from his "non-crippled" Verizon phone?

Sorry Stuck. I feel your pain. I hacked and flashed away at my "non-crippled" Verizon phone just to try and transfer a few crappy pics from my Razor to my laptop. I didn't think the picture quality of a camera phone was worth paying .75 a piece either. Heck, it costs less than that to print pics from my real camera.

Well, all I have to say is that it is your choice to be with Verizon, and these are the consequences that you pay.

.75 cents is absolutly outrageous. Another way, you could load the pix from your wifes phone from her memory card, to your pc, and then onto your memory card.

Thx. I mis-stated the model - it is actually the RAZR V3m. I have not had a reason to buy a micro SD card and it is, again, an added expense. Why won't they simply let me connect with a standard USB cable? Isn't that why Moto put a standard micro USB connector on the phone? 🙂

From what I read, other carriers allow the V3 to use the USB connection for transfers, sync with Outlook, etc. using the free MotoTools software.

Please let us know. I don't see why they would leave it open. So far, they already locked their customers out of using it on the BB 8830 so why give WM users a break? They are making sure that when you do want to use it you are stuck with VZNavigator as your only option for nav software. On the Tilt, you can use Telenav, TomTom, GarminXT,.... You have choices. IMO, VZW is not being good to it's customers.