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Too bad it's made by HTC - so what's the point?

bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2008, 12:43 PM
Overall the OS looks solid, too bad it's made by HTC, which I think is going to be Android's downfall (all of the good hardware manufacturers have their OWN OS.)

HTC (Heavy Taiwanese Crap) devices always seem glitchy as hell and have really shoddy build quality. The devices made to other manufacturer's specs seem to be solid enough (Palm), but I'll never live down the POS Apache or Mogul.

The real problem is that this device looks like a 'prototype,' not a finished product. I'm not even sure what its purpose is.... the business crowd is going to want a Blackberry, the trendy crowd is going to want an iPhone, and the super-nerds are going to want WM crap.
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truetravis9287

Sep 24, 2008, 1:32 PM
the only reason htc was so glitchy is cause it was running windows crap plain and simple the point is (open os) so the super nerdy kids like myself can customize this bad boy
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doomtroll

Sep 24, 2008, 1:41 PM
This "Super Nerd" wants a linux based phone that I can hack.

This phone will be for the nitch market its intended.
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Rich Brome

Sep 24, 2008, 2:59 PM
bluecoyote said:
Overall the OS looks solid, too bad it's made by HTC, which I think is going to be Android's downfall

The G1 is only the first Android device. Many other manufacturers are also working on their own Android devices.

(all of the good hardware manufacturers have their OWN OS.)

I disagree. If they do, it's often a proprietary OS that is not nearly as powerful as a true smartphone OS. The most powerful OSes are often the open ones that multiple manufacturers can use (Windows Mobile, S60, etc.)

HTC (Heavy Taiwanese Crap) devices always seem glitchy as hell and have really shoddy build quality. The devices made to other manufacturer's specs seem to
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bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2008, 6:38 PM
I've owned a few HTC devices with hardware defects- things like keyboards that didn't fully work right or glitchy trackpads or radios.

S60 is, for the most part, a Nokia OS. Although they've played around with Maemo and a few other Symbian variants, I don't even know of another manufacturer who has anywhere near the involvement with the OS that Nokia does.

Ther will most likely be a lot of other Android devices, but the same has been said about Palm and WinMo- there were a *lot* of Palm and still are a lot of WinMo devices, and both platforms suffered from indifferent hardware manufacturers (Kyocera and Samsung with Palm) and lack of focus. (Sony with the failed CLIE devices years back, HTC currently.)

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bluecoyote

Sep 24, 2008, 6:40 PM
Edits: *replace "trackpads" with "joysticks" / "directional pads" . Had a brain fart while typing.
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juttsin2

Sep 24, 2008, 4:03 PM
you will be able to load android on ANY phone. even your sill iphone
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Rich Brome

Sep 24, 2008, 6:41 PM
juttsin2 said:
you will be able to load android on ANY phone. even your sill iphone

Confused Umm... no. No, you will not.
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DiamondPro

Sep 27, 2008, 6:07 PM
Maybe the htc phones made for tmobile. Visit the website htc.com for yourself and see tmobile gets prototypes compare to everyone else. T-mobile obviously get crapy phones from them intentionally any one with a few minutes to browse can see the wing and the dash are jokes. Compare to phones they give other providers. My take is t-mobile want to take credit for someone elses work and wont let htc put there name on phone they make. In return they receive the bottom line up.
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DebaterX

Sep 28, 2008, 2:40 PM
Actually, none of that is true! The only reason T-mobile has phones that aren't "up-to-par" with other companies' phones is because they are not on a 3g network yet... Surprised HTC does software installation and partial manufactoring of phones for almost all cellular providers and gets little to no credit for it...including Palm. I bet no knows that HTC does software installation on the Palm phones...anyways, the only PDAs I've seen that were not worked on by HTC are the iPhone series (I say series because there are more than one, for those who are thinking of criticizing this sentence). So, as you can see, the Palm phones are not "the bottom line up" and HTC gets NO credit for those...as soon as T-Mobile launches it's 3G network everywhere they w...
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tellenerd

Sep 28, 2008, 3:59 PM
"Mobile launches it's 3G network everywhere they will be pretty close to a superb cellular provider!"

Not entirelly correct because they will still be behind as far as speed. Im sorry to say that you all are bragging about a network now but where were you before you knew tmobile was launching 3g t-mobile wasnt bragging then. you get one descent phone and you want to blow it out of this world. its only a smartphone and the 2nd touch screen t-mobile has. an on top of all that you are REQUIRED to pay an extra $25 or $35 dollars a month to maintain your G1. plus tmobile will be throttling you data usage.
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blazeboy

Sep 28, 2008, 4:24 PM
Razz Thats not entirely true.T-Mobile is working on lifting the limits to its 3G subscribers.
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tellenerd

Sep 28, 2008, 4:30 PM
Thats nothing to be bragging about. Working on it doesnt mean its in affect. i currently have used up 60GB in data usage with my provider and thats not a full cycle. My provider is not taking me down from my network and sending me back to a slower network or sending me letters in the mail stating that my service will be terminated.
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PDXMatt

Sep 28, 2008, 5:25 PM
I'd hate to be on your network. Bandwidth hog.
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tellenerd

Sep 28, 2008, 5:33 PM
i guess you want to be a child about it. that just lets you know that we aren't throttled or limited to how much data we can browse. UNLIMITED sounds so great compared to 1GB.. yea t-mobile changed up the policy to avoid conflict but reworded its still the same meaning.
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PDXMatt

Sep 28, 2008, 11:11 PM
Well, if you had read you would know that T-Mobile has removed that 1GB cap. Also if you had read the fine print about your mighty unlimited data plan you would probably see a 5GB cap as Sprint, Verizon, at&t sll have it. Even Cricket has a cap. It's not always enforced but it is there and can be used if the carriers so decide. About be a child. Children are often considered selfish and inconsiderate. You using that much bandwidth per month is selfish and inconsiderate to anyone on your network. So don't badger me about being a child.
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tellenerd

Sep 28, 2008, 11:30 PM
Its not being selfish its using what i have been provided with. UNLIMITED data usage. and ive been using that for months on end and im still in a 3g network. and getting notices stating i will be discontinued of service or terminated.
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tellenerd

Sep 28, 2008, 11:32 PM
****** IM NOT getting notices stating i will be discontinued of service or terminated.
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PDXMatt

Sep 28, 2008, 11:37 PM
That's all good and plenty that you have not received notice. Just know that just like T-Mobile, other carriers have the same option to terminate your service.
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DiamondPro

Sep 28, 2008, 11:47 PM
T-mobile is also the most likely to do so as you have seen clearly in there statements they made public. Surprised
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PDXMatt

Sep 28, 2008, 11:58 PM
You are assuming that. Do you have clear proof that T-Mobile has or will do that?. The statement simply gives them the option to do that. Sprints reads as follows

"Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred and to deny, terminate, modify, or suspend service if usage exceeds 5GB per month in total or 300MB/month while off-network roaming"

It's all just way for carriers to cover their butts in case they do decide to cancel someone. And people have been canceled. Check out sprintusers.com and you will see some threads about it.
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tellenerd

Sep 29, 2008, 12:03 AM
"5GB per month in total or 300MB/month while off-network roaming"

doesnt that mean off of the sprint network. basically they dont want to pay the bill for you using someone else network.
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PDXMatt

Sep 29, 2008, 12:05 AM
5GB per month in total OR 300MB/month while off-network roaming
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DiamondPro

Sep 29, 2008, 12:04 AM
But that 5 times more that what t-mobile is offering did u read that before u posted it. Come on I've personally gone over that limit several times and not once had service limited, modified, or terminated. At least we know what ours is t-mobiles says this

"The specific terms for our new data plans are still being reviewed and once they are final we will be certain to share this broadly with current customers and potential new customers"

Don't enjoy youtube or download ringers or surf the web using wi-fi or anything else that requires 3g usage or else Twisted Evil
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PDXMatt

Sep 29, 2008, 12:06 AM
You don't know what yours is. A few minutes ago you were bragging about unlimited and had to be told about the 5GB cap. Laughing
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DiamondPro

Sep 29, 2008, 12:12 AM
That because i go over it. Im checking my mail now for a termination notice.
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DiamondPro

Sep 28, 2008, 9:50 PM
First off let me say I never said palm was the bottom line up. I currently own a palm Centro one of the best phones on the market. Secondly I said t-mobile receives the bottom line up of Htc phones. Thirdly i stated in my OPINION the reason why they received such ugly phones is because they put t-mobile instead of htc on there hardware. Im also aware that they are were not a 3g network and thus father behind then everyone else (and still are might i add). But that another topic please make sure u read what i say before u try to twist my words and call me a liar. And the fact that they are a 3g network still does not explain why their phones are so ugly please explain the reason for this.
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truetravis9287

Sep 28, 2008, 11:12 PM
maybe they did it just to pi** you off?

apparently its working
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awashi

Oct 12, 2008, 3:37 PM
****ing Troll!!!!!!!
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blazeboy

Sep 28, 2008, 4:30 PM
There also seems to be alot.Of bashing on T-Mobile and the new G1 on this site.Their sure are alot of jealous people on here.Why bash a phone that.You guys either cant afford or arnt intrested in?Dont hate the phone.Hate the system thats holding you back from not having it.in other words dont hate T-Mobile hate the contract you have.With your provider thats keeping you.From becoming a T-mobile coustomer. Razz Also. P.s. Very Happy Jesus Loves You!
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DiamondPro

Sep 28, 2008, 11:35 PM
Im sorry but u just dont get it. The whole reason im posting here is to explain to u person who believes your phone to be the best its not. All i wanna here from you when you get your cheap project is "You were right DiamondPro". I dont want the g1 its not even in my top 10 for phones right now. Pro, Diamond, Dare, Treo, Instinct, Centro, Voyager, Iphone, Mogul, Env2. Dont even make me go into phone not yet on the market like the touch dual, touch cruise, Treo Pro, Nokia N85 (5 mega pixel cam). From a t-mobile and Sprint customer get a better provider they suck for to many reason to explain in one post. But yes Jesus does love me, and I love my sprint contract.
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PDXMatt

Sep 28, 2008, 11:39 PM
What you fail to grasp is that best is subjective. It all depends on what a person wants and needs.
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DiamondPro

Sep 28, 2008, 11:53 PM
Im sorry PDXMatt u have very little wants and needs. I only want top quality projects with overall quality. Not just a few grey areas. Good coverage, Fast speed, Unlimited thats trully Ulimited, Apps that have a purpose and improve my phone, and something that is still a good phone without internet.
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PDXMatt

Sep 29, 2008, 12:04 AM
Again you fail to grasp the concept. Also, you do not have truly unlimited data. Even cable companies have started capping data. Please keep replying though. I always appreciate it when some makes themselves look foolish. Educate yourself on "unlimited" before you attempt to lecture me.

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16 ... »
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DiamondPro

Sep 29, 2008, 12:11 AM
What u dont get this still proves Sprint is better than t-mobile. Why dont u do some of that research of yours and find out how much cheaper sprints pricing plans and phones are compared to t-mobile. So you can make Sprint look even better. P.S. i can make it to 1gb a whole lot faster than 5gb on a much faster network.
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truetravis9287

Sep 28, 2008, 11:46 PM
jesus only loves people with common sense.

dash please id rather have a bb. eeeeeew

its not a belief that its the best. its an opinion, a very educated one.
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DiamondPro

Sep 29, 2008, 7:27 PM
So basically what your telling me is Jesus doesn't love you Surprised Ok the Dash was not my number one phone which obviously shows me that you know the other ones i stated are far superior to your little G1 project. You guys just had an entire 3g network built for one phone. Sprint has an entire collection of 3g phones that already have wi-fi speeds. So please only post well educated opinions next time.
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truetravis9287

Sep 30, 2008, 11:16 AM
meanwhile in the real world...

wifi speeds? ahahahahah oooow good one.
(fact) sprint had -1 million subscribers in the first quarter

it appears to me there doing so well?

next off, none of the phones you named are gonna compare with the g1!!!!! what part about an open operating system dont you understand? there will be constant updates, new apps, and games being developed that you will never get on your touch pro or any of the other 10 phones you (think) are good.

so i would like to personally welcome you to the real world.

(educated opinion) = sprint is poo poo.
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DiamondPro

Sep 30, 2008, 4:04 PM
Please dont make me laugh any harder than you already have t-mobile is a joke its a phone company for people who cant manage there bill or handle numbers. The g1 is a project first and formost and if it succeeds we will all have android platforms. Not just t-mobile even with open platform your software will still be lacking and not just because its on t-mobiles network.
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truetravis9287

Sep 30, 2008, 6:15 PM
its evident to me that you want the android platform and yet can not obtain it.

and its kinda sad you keep posting bad things about t-mobile and the g1 to make yourself feel better about your crappy phone and service provider.


sprint sucks just deal with it!!!!
its not tmobiles fault.
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DiamondPro

Oct 1, 2008, 4:20 PM
Obviously you dont know how to read, most my post contain information stating flaws with the phone let me make this clear for you. I hate the g1 Twisted Evil I will never ever buy this phone Laughing . Not as long as sprint provides far superior Very Happy phones on an even better network. Hmmm Bluetooth Cool out the box, Video out the box, Sprint Tv, Google maps, IM, Email, Calender, Notepade, Memo, Voice memo, Touch screen which also works with a stylus, Voice command, Attachments straight to phone or memory card from any email client or text message, and more than half of this stuff the g1 cannot do. Your phone needs help dial 911 they probably will know more about the phone then t-mobile and there undertrained staff good luck with your drop calls and...
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Tmo Slave

Oct 1, 2008, 7:43 PM
Just give up sprint fanboys are so in love with sprint that the can see no evil with them. DiamondPro has already proven in other threads that he has no idea what he is talking about and is bashing the phone based off of inaccurate information.

Oh and DiamondPro bashing T-mobile for their coverage is so 2 years ago. We have great coverage and now with very affordable 3G and a kick ass phone, we will continue to grow, unlike sprint who continues to sink.
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DiamondPro

Oct 2, 2008, 2:33 AM
Please stop dont make me laugh any harder than you already have. Fan boy huh this coming from someone who's name is tmo slave. I think they workin you to hard and your brain loss coverage. t-mobile's coverage is far from great dropped calls everywhere and network disconnects just to get a signal to your phone. I guess the fact that I have friends n family who hate t-mobile and experience these problems daily and cant wait to cancel there service and come to Sprint doesn't mean anything either. Im not gone lie Sprint has flaws but no where close to t-mobile and the g1 is one of the ugliest phones on the market i hope we can at least agree on that.
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sds1111

Oct 2, 2008, 12:06 PM
I'm just curiuos what have both of you based your views on? Both have advantages and both have disadvatages. How can you hate a device that you have not even seen or used?
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Tmo Slave

Oct 2, 2008, 2:44 PM
sds1111 said:
How can you hate a device that you have not even seen or used?


Exactly he is a sprint fanboy and bashes on phones blindly without even knowing what he is talking about. I think the phone look nice and is different then the super shiney finger print phones that are out today. Phone coverage is different in every area and in my area T-mobile is great and gets more coverage than the most of the other guys. Hes basing his claims on his own bias veiw. Just because you tmobile doesn't get service in one small area doesn't mean they are bad.
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DiamondPro

Oct 2, 2008, 10:59 PM
R you both idiots Eh? or what this is 2008 picture and videos of this and other better phones are everywhere!!! U guys must be new to phoonescoop rookies! They have videos of the phone in action and even more on youtube. Ill give you some homework tmo idiot take a look at the videos in the software, hardware, and third-party apps section. There 41 pictures and 5 videos. And also detail describition of the phones capabilities or should i say incapabilities.Notice how the guy using the touch screen is having problems. I know more about this phone and many others then you do so please make valid comments and or proof of why this phone is great or dont say nothing at all!
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PDXMatt

Oct 3, 2008, 2:53 AM
Phonescoop rookie?

"User: DiamondPro
Info

Member since September 27, 2008"

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sds1111

Oct 8, 2008, 4:30 PM
Let see who is the rookie I have been in wireless for more than 12 years. I have launched the Sprint PCS network and supported accounts with more than 20,000 devices. I have also worked for T-mobile for years to make sure I have certifed in CDMA and GSM, before I was hired by one of my customers. I control roughly 5000 Sprint/Nextel devices and 1500 T-mobile deployed across 13 countries with a budget that exceeds Well more than you will ever see in you lifetime. So before you make a
statement about rookies look into the mirror. Both carriers have advantages and disadvantages. Dont hate! Very Happy it just means more choices and options for users to decide on.
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DiamondPro

Oct 3, 2008, 6:54 PM
pdxmatt you clearly missed my point. But that does not suprise me you are a t-mobile customer. Yall are so far behind its insulting!!! U should all be embarassed Embarassed
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missunderstood24

Oct 9, 2008, 2:57 PM
I am a tmobile dealer and none of you guys have any idea what you are talking about the fact is it is and open os meaning you can do anything with it including programs like outlook word excell it is sutied for all consumers teens,bussiness man and every one and there mother and glitches are from software not from a device which i asure you will not be a problem with this it is going to be very hard to compete with this phone even against you know what...have patience it will surpass all your expectations
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DiamondPro

Oct 11, 2008, 12:10 AM
YOu guys seem to big missing it completely. By the time this phone even comes close to surpassing the Diamond or even the Pro (which i doubt it ever will). By then We meaning Sprint, Verizon, and even At@t will have better phones. t-mobile is always in the past come on 3g at the end of 2008 couldn't be a bigger joke I've had 3g longer than any t-mobile customer and will be moving on to bigger better service (Wi-max). This phone has no video WTF no mms video POS flip phones have these capabilites. Ugliest phone ever just think as u scroll through tons of junk apps just to find the video recorder that barely works. I will be watching and recording crystal clear vids and sharing with my friends at no extra cost. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing :...
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