BlackBerry 10 Delayed Until 2013
They used to be huge!
T Bone said:
Not everything is bleak, so far in 2012, there actually has been an INCREASE in subscribers....and in 2011 they sold 50 million handsets...
An INCREASE everywhere except for the US which is why people here think they are done.
T Bone said:
How easy it is ti forget that it's a global marketand RIM is not even an American company.
And how easy it is for the uninformed kiddies on these forums to proclaim RIM dead.
RIM is HUGE. You make a good point.
This comment brings to light that it is indeed the "Kiddies" of 3-4 years ago that "Just had to have a Blackberry" like all their classmates.
Now that the iPhone has become the new Blackberry amoungst these kiddies, it is so easy to dismiss their old love while forgetting how cool they were. Functionality, power and durability of the Blackberry was never the priority for kids.
John B.
Very bizarre....
T Bone said:
I'm not sure that the iPhone is the 'in' thing now anymore...I think it is Android....right now it seems the phone everyone wants is the Galaxy S III....which is why all the carriers are short of supply of that device and many orders are back ordered.....
Apple is incredible and almost downright ruthless in securing limited materials, manufacturing capacity and even air space for shipping its products. I know this can affect the competition. I wonder if thats part of the issue. SAmsung knows the Galaxy line is popular.
T Bone said:
I'm not sure that the iPhone is the 'in' thing now anymore...I think it is Android....right now it seems the phone everyone wants is the Galaxy S III....which is why all the carriers are short of supply of that device and many orders are back ordered.....
Believe me--the iPhone is still the 'it' device.
T Bone said:
Then why are sales stagnating? Something like 80% of all iPhones are sold as upgrades to people who already have an iPhone....the days when the iPhone market was rapidly growing are over....the iPhone market has reached its peak....Apple now has to make sure that it stays at that peak, rather than plummeting.
They are? Prove it. Apple certainly isn't hurting atop its billions of dollars. The iPhone rules the roost--even if I DO prefer Android.
Samsung is the world's biggest phone manufacturer by a wide margin over Apple....and Android phones have more than 50% market share and outsell the iPhone by a margin of 5-3.....
And iPhone has never been #1 in sales....before Android took over the #1 spot the previous leader was Symbian....the iPhone currently has around 30% market share...with Windows Phone and Blackberry, and the handful of webOS, Windows Mobile and Symbian handsets that are still operational making up the remainder of the remaining 20%
Apple has never made its name on being the most popular brand, or having the highest sales.... they have always focused, rather, on having the highest profit margins...
T Bone said:
they have always focused, rather, on having the highest profit margins...
That's what I meant. The guy with the biggest profit is always the winner.
Slammer said:
----" And how easy it is for the uninformed kiddies on these forums to proclaim RIM dead."----
This comment brings to light that it is indeed the "Kiddies" of 3-4 years ago that "Just had to have a Blackberry" like all their classmates.
Now that the iPhone has become the new Blackberry amoungst these kiddies, it is so easy to dismiss their old love while forgetting how cool they were. Functionality, power and durability of the Blackberry was never the priority for kids.
John B.
...and then there's posters like you--spreading rational thought and discourse. ;)
Now, we are going to have to decide whether we are going to continue to wait....or bite the bullet and buy a Blackberry 7 device....
I don't really care about market share...and I think focus on market share completely misses the point....and is a failure of Busin...
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BlackBerry still has its loyalists, of course. But RIM's business has always depended on enterprises that require their employees to carry BlackBerrys. The people that make those decisions are increasingly moving away from BB. Android and iOS now have the kind of security and device-management features that such enterprises require. Enough employees - including upper management - are begging to...
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I have also read that they will have the cash on hand to bring BB10 to market and thats what management intends on doing at this point.
Palm burned through all their cash getting WebOS to market and then couldn't do anything. I don't think thats the case here.
I don't think RIM has any choice but to push forward. There is a large patent portfolio to shed if needed. If BB10 doesn't meet sales expectations after its introduced there would be a firesale.
These are the same experts who said,from about 2004 until the housing bubble burst in late 2008 'invest in the housing market, it is growing exponentially and the growth will never stop ever'
Wall Street analysts don't know any more than the rest of us, it's all guess work....
And yes, for those reading this RIM isn't a "worthless" company. They are sitting on a rather large patent portfolio among other things. even if Rim never produces another handset, it has value. 🙄
As for me...I'm going to go with my gut....RIM makes good products, so I refuse to believe that they are 'done'....I refuse to believe that it is simply completely hopeless for someone who makes good products and has a few good ideas....RIM isn't a company like Enron, or the tech bubble of the late, that exploded in value for no reason, or even like Palm, which was badly managed from day one....
Your concerns are not alone. One of the largest problems with corporations, is that they are so dependant on shareholders. Shareholders that know very little of the business. They are only interested in one thing; financial returns. They often put the squeeze on the corporations to make decisions not necessarily prudent to what the company feels is best.
This concern has been brought up at corporate level for some time now. The goal is to give much more control to CEOs and management for better decision making. While shareholders have always and currently have the choice to either trust the company or move on, under a new plan, shareholders would be forced to know more about the industry they are investing in before making dema...
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Announcing a new device before it is ready, causing everybody to lose interest in what is already on the market and sales to drop is a well known phenomenon and even has a name....the Osborne Effect
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/rims-osborne-effect-co ... »
Apple is much smarter than I realized regarding this. They Don't make this mistake. They don't typically announce anything very early. Your left guessing at product cycles.
As for RIM, I know why they jumped the gun with the announcement...it was to reassure investors, they know that everyone says 'Blackberries are out of date' so they wanted to reassure investors that 'we are aware of the problem and are working on it'......and that would be fine, except that the message that CUSTOMERS got was 'the devices that are currently in stores?...
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Lots of defections for the crowd that needs heavy duty computing power to dell and HP. The Osborne effect if you wait too long could have issues too I guess.
Difficult balance
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