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ferndog

Jul 16, 2008, 1:14 AM
Well, the 3G Iphone is getting it's well deserved bombardment of bad reviews. It is amazing how consistant the problems are this time around. People can argue all they want about how great the Iphone is but give it some more time. I had it for 3 days and it drove me crazy!!! Great when working properly but that didn't happen often. The 3G speed is way overhyped and really not that fast(not for an extra ten dollors). The signal is just atrocious!!! The battery is horrible and the build is toyish looking. The OS is very slow. Tell you what, most of you all know this by now so I won't add anymore to this.

Apple diehards, I feel your pain.
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RAS2008

Jul 16, 2008, 7:30 AM
I agree with your comments 100%! These are just plain, honest facts and not meant to bash Apple. AT&T on the other hand I feel is very misleading in their 3G coverage. It seems to me that this network is barely completed and for the life of me I cannot understand why they are so far behind verzion? People need to get a grip and realize that the network makes the phone, not the other way around. CDMA is far superior to GSM. It is a technological fact.
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phonehopper

Jul 16, 2008, 8:14 AM
I agree with both of you. I do not own an iphone. I am a SPRINT customer. Call it what you will no network is 100% perfect. Everyone has they bad spots, their holes in coverage. They all run a for profit business. Why would they want to cover an area that wont generate them any revenue ? But what I dont understand is how overplayed and hyped the iphone is. Well yeah its cool looking, but people, ITS A PHONE !! At the end of the day, if it cant make a call, listening to my Barry Manilow collection on my phone doesnt make it better. AND, the new 3G ? How long as 3G been out ? Verizon and Sprint now offer EvDO Rev A. with FAR SUPERIOR speeds - also, you can roam on both VZN and Sprint. Can you roam on AT&T ?? Oh but wait, I can use my GSM phone...
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beergirl

Jul 17, 2008, 11:57 AM
GSM is the same technology that they use all over the world, which leads me to believe that it must be better, or else everyone would have stuck with the old CDMA. I mean, if Japan uses GSM, then you know it's the best out there, as of right now.

As for sprint, how's your service when you're not near a highway?

For the record:

March 16 1999 Finland gave out the world's first 3G mobile technology licenses. Four licenses awarded to Sonera, Radiolinja, Telia and Suomen Kolmegee. Technically some operators in USA and elsewhere already had the licenses and frequencies to operate third generation networks.

1992 All major European operators start commercial operation of GSM networks

1991 - 1995 two CEC funded research projects called...
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reklisammy

Jul 17, 2008, 10:30 PM
Beergirl..2 things. One if you do not have evdo coverage you can still get internet access. It is obviously slower, however with vzw covering 80 percent of the US with evdo you shouldn't have a huge problem.
Second thing--gsm is actually the older technology. The reason it is used overseas is because they started that first ans then cdma came out and it is extremely expensive to change an entire network, plus in europe you would have to get all the other countries on board to switch and boy what a hassle that would be. Just remember just because you have a lot of something it doesn't make it better.
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phonehopper

Jul 28, 2008, 4:23 PM
Hi !
First off, you need to do a little more research. With the EvDO network, IF for some reason you lose EvDO your phone will drop down to 1xRTT and still provide you data services. It is much slower than EvDO, but they are still available. Also, as for voice and data at the same time, if you are on a data session on EvDO, and you rcv a voice call, the data session WILL go dormant and once the voice call is complete, it will resume to an active state. So yes, in a sense you cannot perfrom both at the same time, but it DOES NOT disconnect you from the EvDO network.

As far as GSM and CDMA goes, there are a LOT of major advantages with CDMA. First off, with CDMA you have a very low noice floor on the RF side therefore your tranmit power on...
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willv

Jul 16, 2008, 2:43 PM
if you dont mind me asking, what network are you with?
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ferndog

Jul 16, 2008, 3:15 PM
Both Verizon and AT&T. Yes, Verizon's network blows the holy crap out of my AT*T lines in Solid 3G California.
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sparky spanks

Jul 16, 2008, 5:30 PM
i agree to a point that i like sprint service better than at&t but as far as the phone goes the iphone is far more advanced than any phone that sprint and verizon has on there network and notice they try to copy it but it always falls short what phone on there network has a built in ipod or 8gb or 16 gb memory or downloaded applications and games or can be browsed the way the iphone is with the whole finger scroll and zoom features has a large screen u can watch movies on and is uprgradable thru new updates unlike other phones u just have to wait for the next model to come out. plus many other features the iphone sports that none of the others have some basic features are missing but when they get that u mines well say...
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ferndog

Jul 16, 2008, 6:25 PM
There is no question that the Iphone has the coolest look and probably the funnest OS to play with. At the end of the day, you want to make calls....it's a phone, all else is secondary. As a phone, it fails in a huge way....so far. The browser is the best when working properly. But, lets face it, these reviews about the RF and 3G are no fluke! It's not whether Apple will fix it, they have to fix these problems. These problems are so consistant that I wouldn't be suprised that they recalled them....just my 2 cents.
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lennydude

Jul 16, 2008, 6:31 PM
Sparky?

Read what you just wrote! Everything you say the iPhone excels in has NOTHING to do with using it as a PHONE!!! As a "phone" the iPhone sucks.
As a multimedia "device", it is just plain awesome (that is if you lucky enough to be in a 3G area............has anyone looked at how dismal the 3G coverage in the USA is?)
List the 5 top things that are important to have as a PHONE.........the iPhone looses that fight badly. And oh by the way........the VZW Dare does indeed do upgrades thru new upgrades!
The fancy touch screen does nothing for the portrait only text messaging screen or the call quality and speaker volume and the joke of a camera and what MMS.........way too funny🙂🙂🙂
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beergirl

Jul 17, 2008, 12:01 PM
blackberries are flash upgradeable through service books.
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jcroft

Jul 22, 2008, 12:09 PM
I don't know if he's a troll or not, but as an actual iPhone owner... for now, I can tell you that there are many issues with this phone. I've had mine since the 12th, would have been the 11th had it no been for AT&T. The battery blows. I went to the iPhone workshop at the Apple store and the gist of it is, if you turn off all the cool features, your battery life is extended another day. WOW!!! What a deal.

I've not even had mine two weeks and the keyboard sounds, ringer, and text sounds no longer work.

I have to go back to the Apple store tonight and see what they can do for me.

I'm an Apple fanboi and this is not at all what I expected.
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vpu2

Jul 17, 2008, 12:13 AM
I don't own the phone, and probably WON'T!!!! Yes it has some very appealing qualities, but they are far over shadowed by it's inadequacies & things the phone should do, but doesn't. If you're going to tout the phone as revolutionary, it should at least be able to manage what most phones it is challenging can do & add to that..... With this guy, you get some nice savvy stuff, and some real disappointments.......

As for a CDMA being superior to GSM, I'd do some technical research on that...... Europe, Most of the rest of the world & Asia are very largely GSM, this is no accident.... They are technically about 3-5 years ahead of the U.S. Europe & some of asia are rolling out 4.5 or 5G..... Japan for example, has so good coverage with GSM t...
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DMZ

Jul 23, 2008, 11:11 PM
GSM is a superior technology. I was in Hong Kong a few years ago and almost everyone was talking on their phones in the subway. The problem in North America is the number of GSM cell sites. If the number and density of them matched places like Hong Kong, no one would be complaining about their iPhone's signal pickup.

Here in the USA, Verizon has put up more sites than anyone. That's why they beat out AT&T for coverage.
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gooshjkc

Aug 9, 2008, 8:01 AM
I have at&t, Verizon, and Sprint. Unlike some, I do have 3G iPhone. There are slight problems with the phone, but I'm sure Apple will fix them with updates. Above all, the phone is good. Not perfect, when is a phone ever perfect. It does have the best web browser and music/video player out there for any phone. As for what it is missing, such as MMS, Apple just did it so they can sell more later with the next model. Probably coming out next year.

As for issue on CDMA and GSM. CDMA is the newer technology. It depends on who you talk to on which one is better. As for me, they both are good. One thing for sure CDMA beats GSM on security. It was developed by the US military and put to commercial use by Qualcomm. As for sound quali...
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DMZ

Jul 22, 2008, 10:26 AM
What else do you expect from AT&T? After what I went through with them back in 2002, I'll NEVER EVER trust them again.

http://www.epinions.com/content_62972399236 »

Now they flood the airwaves with misleading commercials claiming their phones work everywhere 'other carriers' don't. What BS! 'Which' other carriers? Verizon has it over them by leaps and bounds for coverage in North America. Remember the old Verizon Wireless commercials with Earl Jones? His words still make the most sense to this day: “A cell phone is only as good as the network its on”.

I don't know what contractual agreements exist between Apple and AT&T, but I think it would behoove Apple to make a CDMA version of the iPhone. Can you imagine how many t...
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schlittertex

Jul 24, 2008, 4:42 PM
I had great speeds when I use to have the cingular 8525 in 3G areas, I think the iphone is just bad from what i am reading.
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McManhattan

Aug 4, 2008, 3:40 PM
Here's the deal: I've had this phone for three weeks now and have not had one stinkin' problem with it. Sure, the battery life could be longer, so buy a flippin' car charger and shut up. everything else is working perfectly. maybe some of the complainers out there got a bad piece of hardware, it happens, but i read the same crap before i got the Moto Q, BB Pearl, and the Curve, and guess what...no issues with them, either. people unlock their phones, stuff 'em full of unsupported, 3rd party apps, then cry when they go kaflooey. they should make people take an IQ test before they sell the dang thing.
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Deadeye-Jim

Jul 16, 2008, 7:50 PM
thanks for the trolling. 😁
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ferndog

Jul 17, 2008, 12:26 AM
Trolling? Are you kidding me? Are you such a fanboy that you can't see the consistant problems that this iphone has? Seriously, you need to get a grip and complain to Apple for ripping you on this one. Heck, I would take the 2G in a heartbeat over the new one now that I have played and owned both. Yes, Apple blew this one big time. The hype of this phone is slowly going down as the days go by. The more that are sold, the faster people return them and hopefully Apple gets the message.
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Deadeye-Jim

Jul 17, 2008, 2:46 PM
yes, this pointless, repetitive, played-out hating is what i would call trolling. 🙄
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ferndog

Jul 17, 2008, 3:07 PM
My friend, I wanted it to work just as much as anyone else. I don't fault AT&T on this, I fault Apple. If they make it better, I will take another look at the phone. That is fair don't you think?
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Deadeye-Jim

Jul 17, 2008, 3:15 PM
that'll work, but i'm sick of hearing the repeated vilification of a device that fails to include features that i don't care to use. 3G coverage in my area is *fantastic*.

i don't use MMS, i don't take videos, i don't listen to the waste of bandwidth that is FM Radio, and with 16 gigs i hardly need expandable memory, etc., ad infinitum.

what i want is a device which eschews a mind-numbing labyrinth of menus, plays lots of music and video, and gives me instant access to google maps and the internet. SMS can shove it.

hey! what phone does that sound like?
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vpu2

Jul 17, 2008, 9:58 PM
It sounds "Perfectly" like that over hyped, non fully functional piece of crap Apple calls the iPhone....... iPhoney would be a far more accurate description!!!!!!! We wouldn't have to "troll" if they were more realistic people in the world, rather than the "MINDLESS", "NUMB", NEANDERTHALS who actually wasted their time & money on an over priced web-browser!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheesh..... have you heard of Opera?????? You want a good browser that will Perform in a phone that CAN PERFORM...... Apple is NOT THE PLACE TO BE!!!!!!

Not hating.................just being accurate!!!!!!

vpu2....OUT!!!!
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stephenl65

Jul 18, 2008, 6:34 AM
Not everyone shares your opinion, thank God! If you don't like the phone that's fine either return it or don't buy it. That's your choice, but don't bash others for liking or enjoying something that they paid for. Again it's their choice and no one else. I find you to be a complete ass but that's my opinion which I am entitled to.
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ferndog

Jul 18, 2008, 10:26 AM
I think that this time around, Apple, AT&T, whoever you want to blame it on, this phone is cooked!!!! At the end of the day, when direct fullfillment starts sending out there orders, you will see a huge huge amound of these phones going back. This is a message that the carrier and Apple need to see. The ratings score is no exageration. It truly is a subpar phone right now.
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whatyoutalkinabout

Jul 18, 2008, 11:35 AM
I agree with you 100%. I hope these phones come back in droves! It is the biggest piece of garbage and I am returning mine today. Thank God I kept my Verizon account!!!
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willv

Jul 18, 2008, 1:51 PM
agreed. look at the reviews. 5 pages and 2 full pages of less the 1.0 look at the dare and instinct. def not as bad, though not perfect. i love my dare, but its not perfect
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Deadeye-Jim

Jul 18, 2008, 3:25 PM
funny, i work for AT&T, and i take tech calls. you know how many complaints or threats to return the iPhone 3G that i've heard?

zero.

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vpu2

Jul 18, 2008, 9:32 PM
Call the stores that sell them & see if that HOLDS TRUE??????

Anybody, with a reasonable BRAIN, would send this garbage back as quickly as the crap came out the box........

Yes it has some nifty stuff, but are all it's limitations, unavailable features(most you find on even basic phones, the abscence of AD2P, etc....etc....etc..... really going to make you want to keep this phone at the end of the day??????


I haven't bought one, probably WON'T unless they straighten out a WHOLE LOTTA CRAP and start including the functionality most of us have become accustom to having......

Enough said, if you can live with being ripped off, using a phone that doesn't have the capabilities of other less exotic phones, and probably don't know how...
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McManhattan

Aug 4, 2008, 3:33 PM
VPU...do you have anger mgt. issues? I've had the iPhone for three weeks now and have not had ONE problem with it. How do you explain that??? You really need to find something better to do with your time than get all worked up about a phone.

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willv

Jul 19, 2008, 8:28 AM
most of the time when i call tech support for customers its not to cancel, its for tech support. if a cust wants to cancel thats just regular cs, which is probably why no one calls you wanting to cancel. read the reviews im not makin this stuff up. sh*t if apple had all the things i want, and att was even remotely good in my area i might consider getting one. im not here to say its crap, just that it had a lot to live up to, and most people dont feel it did
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vpu2

Jul 18, 2008, 9:24 PM
In that case..................... KISS ME................. Entirely!!!!!!!!!!!
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breethingmartyr

Jul 25, 2008, 10:03 PM
no one is bashing we are just speaking about a phone that didnt live up to the hype. im not saying ur stupid for buying im saying apple is stupid for promising stuff they couldnt pull off. they pushed a cheaply manufactured device that not only doesnt work as promised but also works less than its predecesor
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Deadeye-Jim

Jul 18, 2008, 3:49 PM
seriously, what is your point? you obviously don't own, want, appreciate, or need one. therefore you couldn't possibly have reviewed one. so why are you here?

you are hating, you are trolling, and you obviously don't need to be, you just get off on it. unless i suppose someone is paying you to. in which case, go hang.
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stephenl65

Jul 21, 2008, 1:00 PM
You can talk all you want to about how bad ATT is or how bad the Iphone is, but one thing when saying everyone is having trouble think again. The reviews you speak of here on phonescoop for the 3g are of just a small portion of the over 1 million sold. Wait a minute did Apple sell over a million 3g iphones, well they sure did. Of the reviews you speak of now I would have to say maybe 70% of them are from actual owners, 5% are from people who really want the phone and tried one out at a store, the other 25% are probably from the same person who is trying so hard to make people not want to keep their phones. I have news it isn't working. I interviewed two Apple stores and neither have had one return. Wow not one return, that's pretty out...
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breethingmartyr

Jul 25, 2008, 10:08 PM
yeah well u live a blind life cuz if u read other forums and yahoo as well ud realize that the new 3g iphone has had more returns than any other phone in recent years. so that 1 million is dwindling and the rumor of a recall is spreading like wildfire. peoples pride allows them to stick to something because they made the choice and dont want to feel like they were wrong. i bought the damn thing and ill tell u something. i dont care if i was wrong as long as i dont carry a piece of crap in my pocket. if it is supposed to work then it should work but it doesnt live up to the hype so out it goes. u want to suffer with crappy service be my guest. no one is stopping u but i for one am happy i returned it cuz i dont want to carry a phone cuz its a...
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MORTFE

Jul 18, 2008, 11:07 PM
Love Apple, mac person for 15 years, but their phone SUCKS. Constant dropped calls & no signal. I could live with it if Stevie wasn't such an ass***e. His way or no way. That's why it's ATT & not VZW. ATT caved to Apple demands but like VZW, they should have told them to f**k off. $29 phones have A2DP, MMS, Copy/Paste, Voice Dial & Video Record. I am in South Jersey all day & constantly lose calls. My Nokia was the same so I blame ATT for s**t coverage. They opened the App Store - but nothing major to support the missing features, except a voice recorder. I think tey will block these. Personally, I think the BB Thunder will be the 'iPhone killer'. They already have all the missing features & more.
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ferndog

Jul 21, 2008, 10:27 AM
I will not be so quick to blame the 3G coverage on AT&T. I had a Nokia 95-4 and it always held on to a 3G signel where I live. There is no question in my mind that its a defect, software glitch, whatever, on the Iphone itself. The Iphone 3G signel is just so bad that I can't believe that the fanboys still argue that there is no problem.
Furthermore, the browser is always crashing!!

Just wait till direct fullfillment hands out all of these phones. It's going to get ugly!!!!
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pepsijunky

Jul 25, 2008, 11:25 AM
I don't know where you live or what your deal is but I think you're full of sh*t, everything is working fine for me and I am not an Apple fanboy. Plus, last time I checked new and used iphones are going for $700-$1,000 on ebay so OBVIOUSLY something is right. Get over yourself.
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ferndog

Jul 25, 2008, 3:16 PM
Just so you know, I was just at the AT&T Store to look at a Blackberry. At the counter was a couple who were discussing their Iphone problems with the CSR. CSR told them to drive 75 miles to the Apple Store to get it replaced.
Long story short, as I was leaving, their car was parked next to mine. I politely asked them what was going on. Yup, same problem as me and many others. Yes, Apple sold a bunch of them, but not everyone has theirs yet. Wait till they get them in their hands for a few days. So yes, I agree with you, Apple sold tons of them. Only real time experience with it will expose the problem. Look my friend, get over yourself and get your head out of the sand! To pretend that the problems do not exist reminds me of the f...
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pepsijunky

Jul 29, 2008, 2:47 PM
I am not saying their isn't problems, but the only people that you'll ever see or hear from are the ones who do have problems.

If you sell 1 million phones obviously some will be defective. It is the same in EVERY industry with every product. Some are defective. You are acting like 750,000 were defective when really it was less than 2%. That's just the way it goes.
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stephenl65

Jul 24, 2008, 11:09 AM
Well looks like they through out some trash. To bad there isn't a way to only allow reviews for people that actually own the phone.
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ferndog

Jul 24, 2008, 12:24 PM
It is too bad because if they in fact through out negative reviews which are consistant throughout the Internet, Iphone users will lose! It's as simple as that! Forget about MMS and voice dialing, the problem is in the reception and 3G....end of story. To me, that would send a red flag to Apple but as long as the fanboys keep protecting their product, Apple will never fix what is most important....fix the phone first. And yes, I had one.
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stephenl65

Jul 25, 2008, 9:53 AM
Did you even own an Iphone? My 3G coverage is excellent even in downtown KC I have great service. I have not lost 3G yet. Just because a few have problems don't think it's everyone and all Iphones. Maybe you are in an area that 3G is not up to par yet.
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ferndog

Jul 25, 2008, 10:20 AM
Look, here's the deal. It's not the AT&T network!!! Once and for all, get that in your head! I have had a Nokia N95-3 and 4, blackjacket and a 3G razr. All of them full 3G where I live at all times full bars. The Iphone2 G has full bars on Edge almost always wherever I go. The 3G Iphone signal goes back and forth between a few bars to full, at times no bars. At work, I have never had a problem with the 2G Iphone, now, I can't make a call out untill I turn off 3G. You and your fanboys can argue all you want about the bashing but the bottom line is that we are presenting nothing but the facts! It is widespread and I can gurantee you that Apple will do nothing to fix it if fanboys keep telling them that all is well. And finally, yes, I ...
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pepsijunky

Jul 25, 2008, 11:19 AM
I don't know where you live but I am getting great 3G speeds and excellent reception. I guess it depends where you live.
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breethingmartyr

Jul 25, 2008, 10:15 PM
i agree with fern man i got this phone and had nothing but problems with it. i returned it and got the instinct. its no iphone killer but its better reception and the features dont freeze up on me like the iphone. im sorry but this new iphone is a major step back. sorry fanboys but its time to drop the farce. if u say the truth apple might listen and solve the problem. if ur stubborn as u are then ur crap phone will remain the same and i bid u good luck
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pepsijunky

Jul 29, 2008, 2:42 PM
Hmm, so you said the iphone has nothing but problems yet you say the instinct is no iphone killer. So, what is it? Do you like the iphone or not? Ridiculous.
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ferndog

Jul 29, 2008, 3:39 PM
First off, relax a bit, I am not against you! Yes, the Iphone has tons of problems that fanboys are overlooking. Ticks me off because the sooner Apple realizes the problems, they will or at least they should fix it. When that happens, I will buy it again. For now, I am looking to find a 2G to use(to be honest), I think the 2 G looks nicer, feels better and so on. The 3G aspect of the Iphone was a huge priority at one time but seeing it in action did not impress me...even when it was going fast. Right now I use a Curve.
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pepsijunky

Jul 29, 2008, 3:52 PM
I hear you, I have had zero issues but I know Apple does intend to drop firmware 2.1 asap to fix issues for a few people.
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ferndog

Aug 1, 2008, 10:24 AM
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/9636.html »

To the fanboys, I want it to work, I really do! Now that people have had them for a few weeks, the troubles are becoming more evident. Please don't write back and say that all is well when it's not.
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