Spectrum Trivia (new 1900 band)
So, as most people have heard by now, Nextel is most likely moving to the 1900 MHz band, AKA PCS.
This means a network overlay, more towers to be added, all-new phones, and probably a new technology altogether (not iDEN, maybe CDMA).
The cool thing about 1900 (for Nextel) is that equipment costs should be lower, since they can tap into the huge existing market for 1900 MHz gear. In other words, what people have been saying is that Nextel will be able to use the same CDMA 1900 tower equipment that Sprint and Verizon buy, and the same CDMA 1900, phones, etc.
This means economies of scale and huge cost savings. This should finally rid them once and for all of the "iDEN tax" that comes from supporting R&D for basically their own technol...
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This means a network overlay, more towers to be added, all-new phones, and probably a new technology altogether (not iDEN, maybe CDMA).
The cool thing about 1900 (for Nextel) is that equipment costs should be lower, since they can tap into the huge existing market for 1900 MHz gear. In other words, what people have been saying is that Nextel will be able to use the same CDMA 1900 tower equipment that Sprint and Verizon buy, and the same CDMA 1900, phones, etc.
This means economies of scale and huge cost savings. This should finally rid them once and for all of the "iDEN tax" that comes from supporting R&D for basically their own technol...
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Rich Brome said:...
So, as most people have heard by now, Nextel is most likely moving to the 1900 MHz band, AKA PCS.
This means a network overlay, more towers to be added, all-new phones, and probably a new technology altogether (not iDEN, maybe CDMA).
The cool thing about 1900 (for Nextel) is that equipment costs should be lower, since they can tap into the huge existing market for 1900 MHz gear. In other words, what people have been saying is that Nextel will be able to use the same CDMA 1900 tower equipment that Sprint and Verizon buy, and the same CDMA 1900, phones, etc.
This means economies of scale and huge cost savings. This should finally rid them once and for all of the "iDEN tax" that comes from supportin
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much, nextel isnt using the 1.9ghz band for cdma. they are just using it as a back bone to flarion well for now. maybe in the future nextel might do a dual iden/cdma or dual 800/1900mhz band phone
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also about the congess and senate issue
go here http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=cone ws&tkr=NXTL:US
U.S. Senate Unlikely to Change Nextel Airwaves Swap (Update1)
July 19, 2004 16:33 EDT -- The U.S. Senate probably won't override approval by the Federal Communications Commission of a $4.8 billion airwaves exchange between the government and Nextel Communications Inc., Virginia Senator George Allen said. Listen
go here http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=cone ws&tkr=NXTL:US
U.S. Senate Unlikely to Change Nextel Airwaves Swap (Update1)
July 19, 2004 16:33 EDT -- The U.S. Senate probably won't override approval by the Federal Communications Commission of a $4.8 billion airwaves exchange between the government and Nextel Communications Inc., Virginia Senator George Allen said. Listen
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Nextel isn't using the 1.9 GHz band for anything right now, because they don't own it yet. The FCC decision is still a long way from being finalized to the point where Nextel owns that spectrum and can start using it.
As for Flarion, they're just testing that in one market, and they're using 2.5 GHz MMDS spectrum for that, not 1.9 GHz.
If they do go the CDMA route, yes, I imagine they would probably offer at least one or two dual-tech iDEN/CDMA phones, which by necessity would be dual-band 800/1900 (iDEN 800 and CDMA 1900). But whether they do that would depend on their transition schedule and strategy.
As for Flarion, they're just testing that in one market, and they're using 2.5 GHz MMDS spectrum for that, not 1.9 GHz.
If they do go the CDMA route, yes, I imagine they would probably offer at least one or two dual-tech iDEN/CDMA phones, which by necessity would be dual-band 800/1900 (iDEN 800 and CDMA 1900). But whether they do that would depend on their transition schedule and strategy.
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nextel18 said:See how I addressed that post to Rich? Yes? Good.
much, nextel isnt using the 1.9ghz band for cdma. they are just using it as a back bone to flarion well for now. maybe in the future nextel might do a dual iden/cdma or dual 800/1900mhz band phone
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nextel18 said:Hey, good job arguing with Rich on the whole Nextel/FCC/1900mhz thing. You're proving my point for everyone to see! Bravo.
alright good for you 🙂
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im not arguing i am just simply disccusing it. me and him just have to dissagree on some things .. its not such a big deal.
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nextel18 said:But he's giving you facts and you're ignoring them. Who do you think's better informed? You or him?
im not arguing i am just simply disccusing it. me and him just have to dissagree on some things .. its not such a big deal.
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i am giving him facts as well. i am not ignoring them i am just stating my side. plus if nextel says that they arent using it for the voice they wont use it for the voice. barry west is smarter then me and rich put together and what he says i listen to.
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Rich Brome said:...
So, as most people have heard by now, Nextel is most likely moving to the 1900 MHz band, AKA PCS.
This means a network overlay, more towers to be added, all-new phones, and probably a new technology altogether (not iDEN, maybe CDMA).
The cool thing about 1900 (for Nextel) is that equipment costs should be lower, since they can tap into the huge existing market for 1900 MHz gear. In other words, what people have been saying is that Nextel will be able to use the same CDMA 1900 tower equipment that Sprint and Verizon buy, and the same CDMA 1900, phones, etc.
This means economies of scale and huge cost savings. This should finally rid them once and for all of the "iDEN tax" that comes from supportin
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Yes, iDEN involves TDMA technology. Which is part of the reason Nextel would want to switch to CDMA. CDMA-based technologies are generally more spectrum-efficient than TDMA ones. That's why GSM carriers (GSM also uses TDMA technology) are moving toward WCDMA, which is based on CDMA technology.
It's especially important for Nextel. Their new 10 MHz spectrum is not very big. They need the most spectrum-efficient protocol possible.
There's almost no question that Nextel will dump iDEN when they switch to the new spectrum. That means all-new everything. They're not going to pick a technology because it "more compatible" with iDEN. Things like data rates and spectral efficiency are going to be much more important in that decision.
It's especially important for Nextel. Their new 10 MHz spectrum is not very big. They need the most spectrum-efficient protocol possible.
There's almost no question that Nextel will dump iDEN when they switch to the new spectrum. That means all-new everything. They're not going to pick a technology because it "more compatible" with iDEN. Things like data rates and spectral efficiency are going to be much more important in that decision.
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yea nextel wont go to another technology like cdma fully anytime soon. maybe in 5-10 years when they buy more spectrum. the qchat deal is very helpful to nextel becuase i think motorola will make the iden network to go well with the cdma networks.
with the 10mhz at the 1.9ghz that isnt a very good enough spectrum to launch cdma. what i ment was doing a 800/1900mhz phone was that they would keep some of the areas in the 800mhz and then in the areas where they have the 1900mhz bands they will put it on the phone. so thats what i mean when i said 800/1900mhz dual phone. so it will support both 800 mhz and 1900mhz bands.
i dont think nextel will dump iden and go to cdma becuase you are right they have to do a brand new system, new towers ...
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with the 10mhz at the 1.9ghz that isnt a very good enough spectrum to launch cdma. what i ment was doing a 800/1900mhz phone was that they would keep some of the areas in the 800mhz and then in the areas where they have the 1900mhz bands they will put it on the phone. so thats what i mean when i said 800/1900mhz dual phone. so it will support both 800 mhz and 1900mhz bands.
i dont think nextel will dump iden and go to cdma becuase you are right they have to do a brand new system, new towers ...
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nextel18 said:
yea nextel wont go to another technology like cdma fully anytime soon. maybe in 5-10 years when they buy more spectrum.
I doubt that. I think they will.
They have to vacate their current spectrum in a reasonable timeframe because it's interfering with public safety radios. That's what got them into this whole mess.
iDEN is a very old technology being stretched to its limits already. There's no question Nextel is looking for a new technology to switch to.
Moving to the 1900 band - as required by the government - will require all-new everything anyway, so it's the perfect time to move to a new technology.
the qchat deal is very helpful to nextel becuase i think motorola w...
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JDigital said:I've instructed Nextel18 on this time and time again...but I think he's a little, you know, cuckoo!
That's RIGHT! You don't argue with the Zen Master. 😉
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they arent moving totally to the 1.9ghz band they will still have some spectrum in the 800mhz and some spectrum in the 900 mhz to support their voice. barry west said that the 1.9ghz will be used only for data at this time but they are looking to do voip and things like that. they never said in the CC yesterday about using the 1.9 for cdma just only for flarion.
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nextel18 said:Nextel, why don't you listen to the man instead of being an idiot?
they arent moving totally to the 1.9ghz band they will still have some spectrum in the 800mhz and some spectrum in the 900 mhz to support their voice. barry west said that the 1.9ghz will be used only for data at this time but they are looking to do voip and things like that. they never said in the CC yesterday about using the 1.9 for cdma just only for flarion.
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