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AT&T thowing in the flag on PTT deployment

MarkF

Apr 24, 2004, 7:04 AM
http://www.thestreet.com/tech/scottmoritz/10156283.html »

Now only if Verizon and Sprint would do the same.
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nextel18

Apr 24, 2004, 11:27 AM
they might though.. they arent gettin any subs from their push to talk.. but u want them to be in it since there will be a bigger doj investigation.. u want competition wether its a lot or little becuase like i said before nextel would be in troulbe with the doj.. i think awe will launch it a little bit later with cingular ..

but remember like i said before u want competition becuase if there isnt like i said before the doj would make a bigger inquiry.. so you need competition
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MarkF

Apr 24, 2004, 1:42 PM
Well if that is the case then DOJ should investigate Motorola for thier SmartZone/SmartNet trunking protocol. They are the only one that has a real public safety trunking system protocol that works right off the bat.

Not like the LTR and M/A Comm that wish that their systems work as good as the Motorola.
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mmdstech

Apr 24, 2004, 1:47 PM
He won't understand MarkF. He is some kid without any knowledge of how wireless works, but will try and talk like he does.
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nextel18

Apr 24, 2004, 3:00 PM
yea mmds whatever ya say .. u still talking about me huh? lol get over me already you are harrasing me and following me everywhere ..
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nextel18

Apr 24, 2004, 2:59 PM
they are .. they are investigatin everything of the push to talk buzness.. but u should search in some articles its sayin that nextel doesnt have to sell any of their push to talk services or something like that or motorola .. google.com is a big help

this DOJ investigation is just requiring info its not a formal one yet.. thats why i said nextel wants to have att wireless, cingular, sprint pcs, verizon, alltel, and other carriers to be in the push to talk game so it wont look like nextel is holding a monopoly. but you can also argue that nextel had a patent on it for 10 years of course nextel will have more of a subs base then the other push to talk carriers or potential ones.

motorola seems to be messing up with nextel.. that I830 ...
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MarkF

Apr 25, 2004, 9:42 AM
nextel18 said:
but you can also argue that nextel had a patent on it for 10 years of course nextel will have more of a subs base then the other push to talk carriers or potential ones.


iDEN is a Motorola product and not a NEXTEL product. Motorola developed it and gave the rights to NEXTEL to deploy it. NEXTEL tried to patent the acronym "PTT" and was not successful, at least to date.

If you knew anything about iDEN you would know that the PTT is based on a similar protocol as the Motorola Smartnet Type I trunking scheme that has been around when NEXTEL was originally called FleetCall (70's and 80's). The only big difference now is it has telephone interconnect in addition to PTT and is a cellularize...
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nextel18

Apr 25, 2004, 10:06 PM
actually it was patented according to the disclosure all the ptt push to talk direct connect was all patented.. but who cares if its not now? ok so randomness i know their history u dont need to say their history on fleet call. i never said it was designed by nextel but obviously you think i said that.. im just saying that the doj wants to investigate it but it doesnt make sense becuase nextel had THE AND A PATENT on it for 10 years.. motorola didnt have the patent nextel had it for 10 years that no one could get that same technlogy for 10 years. you need to do some research. before you say one more thing make sure u do some readon first
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nextel18

Apr 25, 2004, 10:06 PM
reading*
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kx500

Apr 25, 2004, 11:20 PM
So if Nextel owns the patent, how do companys like Southern Link, Telus and others use it? Motorola owns the patent and the technology.
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nextel18

Apr 26, 2004, 1:38 PM
no a patent on the name .. not on the device itself then did have a patent on the product so that no one else could copy that name nor the product but that expired after 10 years .. and im sure southern link and soon tellus has a deal with nextel.
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MarkF

Apr 26, 2004, 4:36 AM
Sorry...your wrong.
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nextel18

Apr 26, 2004, 1:48 PM
hahahahahahahah and your up at 5am lol ..
now how am i wrong? on that stupid statment "your wrong" lol doesnt prove anyhting.. say something besides for 3 words if you can.. say something .. explain etc... just by you saying "sorry, your wrong" means nothing to me becuase you didnt explain myself unless maybe you cant, and thats understandable..
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macman

Apr 30, 2004, 11:37 AM
Okay, boys, let's get this straight.
Nextel paid Motorola for use of the iDEN system, and had an agreement to be the primary national carrier using that technology.

Motorola also sold smaller iDEN systems to companies like SouthernLink. Zero cooperation between Nextel and these other companies, Motorola is the common thread.

Nextel never had a patent on iDEN, obviously Motorola did, still does.

Nextel had trademark protection on the "Direct Connect" phrase. Never trademarked "PTT" and now wishes they had, as their recent failed lawsuits show.

The concept of PTT is available to any carrier to develop, they just have to come up with a technology to do it.

Motorola did fight Nextel's proposal in the FCC consensus plan, I'm ...
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MarkF

Apr 30, 2004, 1:19 PM
Yep...you pretty much got it except that I wouldn't say that Moto. is fighting NEXTEL in the Consensus Plan. Lets just say that they don't agree on all the points and Moto. knows which side of the bread is buttered.
If Moto. pisses off AT&T, Cingular, & Verizon by siding with NEXTEL then there is a good possibility that they will reduce the amount of phones that they purchase from them.
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nextel18

May 1, 2004, 12:07 AM
i think motorola doesnt want nextel to get the 1.9 or 2.1 becuase then nextel will spend more on capex for flarion then on the nextel network .. such as infrastructure and phones.. they wont spend so much on that they will just spend probably 2+ billion dollars for the flarion deal and they will spend a lot less than the 2.2 billion they spend on capex this year.. i think they would be paying 1 billion after the flarion bid deal . and its not at&T its ATT wireless.. i dont know if u know this but those are two differnt companies.
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nextel18

May 1, 2004, 12:34 AM
https://www.phonescoop.com/articles/ctia_2003/index. ... »

Another curious absence at the show was anything to do with iDEN - the standard used by Nextel. Motorola's iDEN group had zero presence, and no new iDEN models were announced. The timing seemed about right for Motorola's rumored "Falcon" line of iDEN phones, so this was a bit surprising. Since iDEN is a relatively unpopular standard as it is, and it has been a while since Motorola came out with any new models, I would think that Motorola would be anxious to remind everyone that iDEN is still a thriving standard. Apparently this is not the case.

It has been speculated that Nextel will eventually drop iDEN and switch to CDMA. If Nextel is planning to announce such a switch s...
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nextel18

May 1, 2004, 12:47 AM
i found it.. http://www.wbbm780.com/asp/ViewMoreDetails.as p?ID=37291

Bad connection

Nextel needs a data network capable of delivering video, Internet access and e-mail at blazing speeds to keep pace with its rivals. A Motorola upgrade that was supposed to boost the iDEN network's capacity was withdrawn last fall after it garbled some calls. The Nextel spokes-woman says Motorola is fixing the glitches and plans to re-install the technology later this year.

On another front, Nextel is asking regulators at the Federal Communications Commission to consolidate its radio frequencies, which are now scattered across the radio spectrum, into a contiguous block. Doing so would free Nextel to dump iDEN, the only wireless technology designed to...
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