VERIZON LOSING CUSTOMERS?????????????
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
HA!
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megs72979 said:
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
Now, this doesn't even make sense.
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texaswireless said:
Why doesn't it make sense?
First, why would verizon have a hard time managing the number of port outs? Why and how would Cingular's port center know about it. and last why the hell would they tell megs to relay it to phonescoop. Even if it was true, Cingular corporate would never release a statement like that, almost bashing the competition. So it is either a rumor someone told megs or a rumor megs made up.
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The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
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ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
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muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
Especially since Verizon has had the lowest Churn in the industry since....well....since cell phones were invented (or at least it seems that long).
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SForsyth01 said:muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
Especially since Verizon has had the lowest Churn in the industry since....well....since cell phones were invented (or at least it seems that long).
But somehow, according to Megs, Cingular can't handle the thousands of Verizon subs...
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muchdrama said:...SForsyth01 said:muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
Especially since Verizon has had the lowest Churn in the industry since....well....since cell phones were invented (or at least it seems that long).
But somehow, according to Megs, Cingular can't
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SForsyth01 said:...muchdrama said:SForsyth01 said:muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
Especially since Verizon has had the lowest Churn in the industry since....well....since cell phones were invented (or at least it seems that long).
But someho
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muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
I wouldn't give the rumor much credit, but I wouldn't discount it entirely either. I definitely wouldn't spend two days debating the subject on forums.
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ralph_on_me said:muchdrama said:ralph_on_me said:
The port centers talk to each other, that's their job. They call up each other when there are problems to make things work smoothly for the customer.
Employees in different departments talk to each other. They get bored and have nothing else to talk about.
It is a rumor, but that doesn't mean it's not credible.
Somehow, this rumor lacks credibility.
I wouldn't give the rumor much credit, but I wouldn't discount it entirely either. I definitely wouldn't spend two days debating the subject on forums.
Well think about it, Ralph. Whichever call center she's talking about can't ha...
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Well yeah, I think it's likely due to the hurricane if anything. I wasn't implying anyone was foolish for talking about the subject, but the rumor definitely isn't credible enough for me to spend time discussing it. It might have a small grain of truth to it, but I don't care enough to debate the whole thing. 🙂
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Out of curiousity, how long does it take to port from Cingular? I just ported my wife out today over to Nextel...
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GOOD LUCK with nextel, i don't even see them as competition. i would suggest saying no to number guard when they offer it so when you want to leave nextel it doesn't take over a week.
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this post, https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=4&fi=329007, goes to you too. 🙂
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Sprint/Nextel will pass VZW in a year or so???? 🙄 You must have lost your mind. 🙄
Their numbers combined are only about 250,000 more additions per quarter than VZW. And VZW has the LOWEST churn in the industry. Do the math. It will take MUCH longer than 1 year for Sprint/Nextel to catch a company that is starting off 2,000,000 subscribers ahead (VZW). Without taking into consideration Churn, it would take S/N 2 years, only based on their advantage in subscriber additions (advantage based on combining the 2 company's quarterly numbers).
And another thing....Nextel has always had the best Churn???? What screwed up planet have you been living on. VZW has held that title for at least 5 years.
Their numbers combined are only about 250,000 more additions per quarter than VZW. And VZW has the LOWEST churn in the industry. Do the math. It will take MUCH longer than 1 year for Sprint/Nextel to catch a company that is starting off 2,000,000 subscribers ahead (VZW). Without taking into consideration Churn, it would take S/N 2 years, only based on their advantage in subscriber additions (advantage based on combining the 2 company's quarterly numbers).
And another thing....Nextel has always had the best Churn???? What screwed up planet have you been living on. VZW has held that title for at least 5 years.
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Sprint/Nextel will pass VZW in a year or so???? 🙄 You must have lost your mind. 🙄
Their numbers combined are only about 250,000 more additions per quarter than VZW. And VZW has the LOWEST churn in the industry. Do the math. It will take MUCH longer than 1 year for Sprint/Nextel to catch a company that is starting off 2,000,000 subscribers ahead (VZW). Without taking into consideration Churn, it would take S/N 2 years, only based on their advantage in subscriber additions (advantage based on combining the 2 company's quarterly numbers).
And another thing....Nextel has always had the best Churn???? What screwed up planet have you been living on. VZW has held that title for at le
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Yep, I did my computations concerning how many Nextel/sprint gets per quarter and what verizon gets per quarter. Find the post and you can see my analysis.
With regards to Nextel has the best churn, yes, recently they have cept verizon, now, is a few basis points lower. Nextel also has a higher arpu and higher lifetime revenue per user then verizon also. In addition, boost mobile their prepaid market is only $10 less in arpu then verizon, which is PATHETIC!
With regards to Nextel has the best churn, yes, recently they have cept verizon, now, is a few basis points lower. Nextel also has a higher arpu and higher lifetime revenue per user then verizon also. In addition, boost mobile their prepaid market is only $10 less in arpu then verizon, which is PATHETIC!
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nextel18 said:
Yep, I did my computations concerning how many Nextel/sprint gets per quarter and what verizon gets per quarter. Find the post and you can see my analysis.
With regards to Nextel has the best churn, yes, recently they have cept verizon, now, is a few basis points lower. Nextel also has a higher arpu and higher lifetime revenue per user then verizon also. In addition, boost mobile their prepaid market is only $10 less in arpu then verizon, which is PATHETIC!
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What is pathetic is that a prepaid service can is a company's only claim to fame anymore....
Cingular - 50.5 Million Customers
Verizon - 45.5 Million Customers
Nextel - 17 Million Customers
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by the way, the sprint is with nextel too, i am not sure if you knew that.
they have a total of 43 million customers.
well, you are still like before, but that isnt new.
they have a total of 43 million customers.
well, you are still like before, but that isnt new.
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nextel18 said:
by the way, the sprint is with nextel too, i am not sure if you knew that.
they have a total of 43 million customers.
well, you are still like before, but that isnt new.
THEY ARE 2 SEPARATE COMPANIES!!!!!!!!
The merger has not completed yet, and it still has many hurdles to clear before it is complete (which, I might add, is still well behind your initial timeline).
I will restate this to make you happy:
Cingular - 50.5 Million Subscribers
Verizon - 45.5 Million Subscribers
Sprint - 28 Million Subscribers
Nextel - 17 Million Subscribers
Now who is pathetic??? It looks even worse for your precious nextel when you throw Sprint into the mix.
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SForsyth01 said:...nextel18 said:
by the way, the sprint is with nextel too, i am not sure if you knew that.
they have a total of 43 million customers.
well, you are still like before, but that isnt new.
THEY ARE 2 SEPARATE COMPANIES!!!!!!!!
The merger has not completed yet, and it still has many hurdles to clear before it is complete (which, I might add, is still well behind your initial timeline).
I will restate this to make you happy:
Cingular - 50.5 Million Subscribers
Verizon - 45.5 Million Subscribers
Sprint - 28 Million Subscribers
Nextel - 17 Million Subscribers
Now who is pathetic??? It looks even worse for your precious nextel when you throw Sprint into t
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😢 You guys finally did it. You attracted nextel18's attention damn you all to hell!!!!
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They are not any competition to cingular. Hmm that’s interesting.
Why do you say that? Their boost service is only about $10 less in arpu then cingular's, which is quite pathetic. In addition, Nextel has the best churn, best arpu, and best lifetime revenue per user then any other carrier even your almighty cingular. In addition, when sprint/Nextel merges they will be very strong especially against the almighty cingular. They will have the highest arpu, and the highest lifetime revenue per user and perhaps the highest data arpu, but I am not sure on that.
Given all of that, Nextel is a huge competitor in this industry and the combined Nextel/sprint will be even bigger, especially with their management core, their 80 MHz of spectrum, 4...
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Why do you say that? Their boost service is only about $10 less in arpu then cingular's, which is quite pathetic. In addition, Nextel has the best churn, best arpu, and best lifetime revenue per user then any other carrier even your almighty cingular. In addition, when sprint/Nextel merges they will be very strong especially against the almighty cingular. They will have the highest arpu, and the highest lifetime revenue per user and perhaps the highest data arpu, but I am not sure on that.
Given all of that, Nextel is a huge competitor in this industry and the combined Nextel/sprint will be even bigger, especially with their management core, their 80 MHz of spectrum, 4...
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Who cares if Nextel isn’t gsm. Lol. That is another stupid point, and I don’t understand the lack of you elaborating on your point.. So please do, if you want to have a conversation with me. Meaning= explain yourself.
For Nextel being on iden, they have the best, most reliable customers. Again, highest arpu, best churn, great margins, and the best lifetime revenue per user.
Therefore, you’re saying that iden is the problem. Well, I would say you’re wrong by the industry leading metrics.
Funny thing is, cingular/att wireless is still having problems integrating their two networks. However, guess what? They both use TDMA AND GSM and still having problems, which is pathetic.
For Nextel being on iden, they have the best, most reliable customers. Again, highest arpu, best churn, great margins, and the best lifetime revenue per user.
Therefore, you’re saying that iden is the problem. Well, I would say you’re wrong by the industry leading metrics.
Funny thing is, cingular/att wireless is still having problems integrating their two networks. However, guess what? They both use TDMA AND GSM and still having problems, which is pathetic.
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check this link out about sprint/nextel merger.
what's going on with all these suits against the 2 companies
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1287 »
what's going on with all these suits against the 2 companies
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=1287 »
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Well, I think it’s a non-event. Sprint already bought US wired who also sued them to stop the merger. I think its just the affiliates of both companies, i.e. Nextel’s and sprint's taking advantage a little bit because they all have a no competitive clause in their contracts and they want more money.
I think that if the affiliates sue them for violating their clause sprint/Nextel will be forced to buy them out.
I think that if the affiliates sue them for violating their clause sprint/Nextel will be forced to buy them out.
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hellfire666 said:
thanks for the input. that's good to know.
Except for the fact that Sprint can't afford to do that...
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More 'non-events'? 🙄
More and more affiliates are jumping in to prevent it from happening. So, no 'non-events' going on here.
And you mentioned that ATT/Cingular were having all these problems integrating the network. Everything I have read actually shows that the integration is going well. Care to show us your sources? Or are they 'non-events'?
More and more affiliates are jumping in to prevent it from happening. So, no 'non-events' going on here.
And you mentioned that ATT/Cingular were having all these problems integrating the network. Everything I have read actually shows that the integration is going well. Care to show us your sources? Or are they 'non-events'?
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Al_Swearengen said:
More 'non-events'? 🙄
More and more affiliates are jumping in to prevent it from happening. So, no 'non-events' going on here.
And you mentioned that ATT/Cingular were having all these problems integrating the network. Everything I have read actually shows that the integration is going well. Care to show us your sources? Or are they 'non-events'?
Al, he's been making up stuff about the network integration going wrong from the get go. Just ignore him. Or bash him relentlessly for my entertainment. Either or.
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Wait untill you see Cing move away from 1900 mhz. They already took down towers in TN (expired roaming agreements), plus their roaming agreement with T-mobile is up, but thats not a huge issue. The move off 1900mhz and tower upgrades is going to affect a lot of cingular customers especially those with older devices in cirten markets that lose that range ie: 8-16 bit SIM's. I wouldnt call it a smooth transition with reguards to the upgrades, more like growing pains, but I'd like to see anyone else do it better.
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sorry, sir. i do have a life and have been very busy today and for the past weekend. sorry that i dont revolve my life around phonescoop. lol
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nextel18 said:
sorry, sir. i do have a life and have been very busy today and for the past weekend. sorry that i dont revolve my life around phonescoop. lol
And yet you match us post for post. Interesting.
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Non-event?
I don't think you understand the implications of these issues.
If they choose to buy them to make it "go away" it will add billions to the cost of the merger. This additional cost is something you previously cited was "overpayment" by Cingular for ATTWS. Are they now going to end up overpaying for Nextel? You can't have your interpretation go both ways.
If they choose to dig in their heels and fight they have several contract issues that are legitimate concerns. Sprint/Nextel will have issues in Nextel partners markets competing and using the name. S/N will have issues in affiliate markets since most of them have agreements that Sprint cannot offer a competing service.
Now if they buy all the "problems" they will ...
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I don't think you understand the implications of these issues.
If they choose to buy them to make it "go away" it will add billions to the cost of the merger. This additional cost is something you previously cited was "overpayment" by Cingular for ATTWS. Are they now going to end up overpaying for Nextel? You can't have your interpretation go both ways.
If they choose to dig in their heels and fight they have several contract issues that are legitimate concerns. Sprint/Nextel will have issues in Nextel partners markets competing and using the name. S/N will have issues in affiliate markets since most of them have agreements that Sprint cannot offer a competing service.
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As I keep on saying, it's a non-event.
They won’t be overpaying for Nextel. They already paid their moneys for Nextel. By the way, it’s actually a merger of equals where 1.3 shares are exchanged and .50 per share in cash is given. That is chump change. (I.e. $2billion)
Anyway, when they spin off their local division it will kick off a lot of the debt that’s already on the books.
Again, if they have to buy out the affiliates, then it’s a non-event, as I keep on saying.
If there will be forced divestitures, then that’s a good thing, because they will be able to sell some licenses or whatever to any cdma buyer. (There are plenty of them)
Again for the 100th time it's a non-event.
Us Wired was a non-event, same with the o...
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They won’t be overpaying for Nextel. They already paid their moneys for Nextel. By the way, it’s actually a merger of equals where 1.3 shares are exchanged and .50 per share in cash is given. That is chump change. (I.e. $2billion)
Anyway, when they spin off their local division it will kick off a lot of the debt that’s already on the books.
Again, if they have to buy out the affiliates, then it’s a non-event, as I keep on saying.
If there will be forced divestitures, then that’s a good thing, because they will be able to sell some licenses or whatever to any cdma buyer. (There are plenty of them)
Again for the 100th time it's a non-event.
Us Wired was a non-event, same with the o...
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Denial is a powerful thing.
I think we need to make a friendly wager about these affiliates. I believe the costs were not adequately measured in regards to these companies. I am willing to bet the costs to deal with these affiliates whether via aquisition or settlement will exceed 15 billion. That isn't chump change.
I think we need to make a friendly wager about these affiliates. I believe the costs were not adequately measured in regards to these companies. I am willing to bet the costs to deal with these affiliates whether via aquisition or settlement will exceed 15 billion. That isn't chump change.
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I want to hear the part about how sprintnextel is going to surpass Verizon again.
I almost passed out laughing
I almost passed out laughing
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2004 net adds
Sprint/Nextel
7.3 million Subscribers
Verizon wireless=
6.3 million Subscribers
2005 net adds
Sprint/Nextel
1st quarter= 1.3 million+ 810k subscribers= 2.1 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Verizon wireless=
1st quarter= 1.6 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Let’s estimate and say that Nextel/sprint based on the 2.1 million per quarter will end up with about 8.4 million per year.
Verizon wireless over the year with just using their 1st quarter sub additions would be 1.6 million times 4, which equals 6.4 million subscribers.
Thus; Nextel/sprint has 2-million subscriber surplus over verizon at the end of the year and that is of course if they continue on their current trends.
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Sprint/Nextel
7.3 million Subscribers
Verizon wireless=
6.3 million Subscribers
2005 net adds
Sprint/Nextel
1st quarter= 1.3 million+ 810k subscribers= 2.1 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Verizon wireless=
1st quarter= 1.6 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Let’s estimate and say that Nextel/sprint based on the 2.1 million per quarter will end up with about 8.4 million per year.
Verizon wireless over the year with just using their 1st quarter sub additions would be 1.6 million times 4, which equals 6.4 million subscribers.
Thus; Nextel/sprint has 2-million subscriber surplus over verizon at the end of the year and that is of course if they continue on their current trends.
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nextel18 said:...
2004 net adds
Sprint/Nextel
7.3 million Subscribers
Verizon wireless=
6.3 million Subscribers
2005 net adds
Sprint/Nextel
1st quarter= 1.3 million+ 810k subscribers= 2.1 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Verizon wireless=
1st quarter= 1.6 million
2nd quarter=
3rd
4th
Let’s estimate and say that Nextel/sprint based on the 2.1 million per quarter will end up with about 8.4 million per year.
Verizon wireless over the year with just using their 1st quarter sub additions would be 1.6 million times 4, which equals 6.4 million subscribers.
Thus; Nextel/sprint has 2-million subscriber surplus over verizon at the end of the year and that is of course if they cont
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Oh cmon muchdrama, I know you can do better than that. I miss when you and nextel would rip each other relentlessly. Are you waiting for him to start something? *shoves Nextel18 into muchdrama*
Pssst, he just talking about your mom! 😲
Pssst, he just talking about your mom! 😲
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uNt0uChAbLe said:
Oh cmon muchdrama, I know you can do better than that. I miss when you and nextel would rip each other relentlessly. Are you waiting for him to start something? *shoves Nextel18 into muchdrama*
Pssst, he just talking about your mom! 😲
Nextel's pretty much given up on responding to me 'cause he can't take my superior wit and intellect. As for the whole "ripping him relentlessly" thing...I decided to pull my punches a little so as not to attract so much attention. I don't necessarily want to get banned, you know.
P.S. I was just kidding about the superior wit and intellect. I can barely handle my infant son.
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I wont start anything with him anymore, because i have grown maturely, however, he hasn’t.
With that said, i have ignored all of his posts since a few weeks now, and will continue to do so.
You won’t get a reply out of me towards him.
With that said, i have ignored all of his posts since a few weeks now, and will continue to do so.
You won’t get a reply out of me towards him.
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$15 billion? please give some facts to support your answer based on the buy out price of US wired.
thanks.
thanks.
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I asked if you wanted to wager. Do you want to or not? Do you believe in your theory or not?
Put your (proverbial) money where your mouth is.
Once you commit I will be happy to give you my theory. It is very easy to understand and makes sense based on buyout prices of several companies, not just US Wired.
Put your (proverbial) money where your mouth is.
Once you commit I will be happy to give you my theory. It is very easy to understand and makes sense based on buyout prices of several companies, not just US Wired.
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Ok... I will do the computations based on what Sprint paid for US wired's subscribers.
They said that they paid about 1.3 billion dollars and they have 500k subscribers, which mean that it comes out to be $2,600 per subscriber. Therefore, we will do the same exact calculations with the other affiliates.
Sprint’s affiliates are= UbiquiTel + Alamosa + US wired.
Nextel’s affiliates are= Nxtp, however, they have a put option clause, so it will be difficult to count them, but we will do the same with the $2,600 per subscriber.
Let us start with sprints affiliates first.
1. US wired were taken care of for $1.3 billion.
2. Alamosa has about 1.5 million subscribers and that is multiplied by $2,600 which gives a total of= $3.9 billi...
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They said that they paid about 1.3 billion dollars and they have 500k subscribers, which mean that it comes out to be $2,600 per subscriber. Therefore, we will do the same exact calculations with the other affiliates.
Sprint’s affiliates are= UbiquiTel + Alamosa + US wired.
Nextel’s affiliates are= Nxtp, however, they have a put option clause, so it will be difficult to count them, but we will do the same with the $2,600 per subscriber.
Let us start with sprints affiliates first.
1. US wired were taken care of for $1.3 billion.
2. Alamosa has about 1.5 million subscribers and that is multiplied by $2,600 which gives a total of= $3.9 billi...
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Dude, why do you let your immature childlike actions ruin a good debate.
I told you I would give you figures when you pony up, which you did.
Patience man.
Dude, why do you let your immature childlike actions ruin a good debate.
I told you I would give you figures when you pony up, which you did.
Patience man.
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I have no patience when people say a figure without proving it as I have. I did my computation while you haven’t.
Immature childlike actions? What actions? Doing computations that you couldn’t do? Yea, very immature. Lol
Immature childlike actions? What actions? Doing computations that you couldn’t do? Yea, very immature. Lol
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nextel18 said:
I have no patience when people say a figure without proving it as I have. I did my computation while you haven’t.
Immature childlike actions? What actions? Doing computations that you couldn’t do? Yea, very immature. Lol
You never show your cards when someone is trying to make a wager involving you. 🙄
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Oh yea... Tex, do you have a store in San Antonio??? If it's the same TexasWireless, nice store... I was there over the past weekend and at that huge mall I saw the store... Friendly folks you have there...
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texaswireless said:
I asked if you wanted to wager. Do you want to or not? Do you believe in your theory or not?
Put your (proverbial) money where your mouth is.
Once you commit I will be happy to give you my theory. It is very easy to understand and makes sense based on buyout prices of several companies, not just US Wired.
Just wanted to make sure and get you to commit to a figure.
Now, since buyouts are not based on subscribers alone but also points of presence, you cannot simply value them based on one deals cost per sub.
Since Alamosa (and other publicly traded affiliates) also service many other additional markets their value will be much higher. They own more spectrum, not just more ...
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i did all the figures solely based on the subscribers that US wired paid for, and i already explained that model, and i don’t come out with 14 billion i came out with my figures before.
like i said with partners i told you there is a put option involved and they can get a lot of money from that, but i was just doing per subscriber times $2600.
Anyway.
I stand by that.
It wasn’t a 35 billion dollar price tag lol. It was a merger of equals with .50 cents per share going to shareholders or up to $2.6 billion dollars. It was mostly an all-stock deal so shareholders will get a lot more stock and not much cash. Therefore, it isn’t truly a $35 billion dollar deal. Sorry 🙂
Now, the cingular deal was an all cash deal and not a sto...
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like i said with partners i told you there is a put option involved and they can get a lot of money from that, but i was just doing per subscriber times $2600.
Anyway.
I stand by that.
It wasn’t a 35 billion dollar price tag lol. It was a merger of equals with .50 cents per share going to shareholders or up to $2.6 billion dollars. It was mostly an all-stock deal so shareholders will get a lot more stock and not much cash. Therefore, it isn’t truly a $35 billion dollar deal. Sorry 🙂
Now, the cingular deal was an all cash deal and not a sto...
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Well, you didn't account for all the affiliate subscribers, so I am not sure how you can stand by your numbers.
And I guess the Wall Street Journal is wrong about the deal. They said it was a $35 billion deal.
http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2004/12/12/spr ... »
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/57807 »
And I guess the Wall Street Journal is wrong about the deal. They said it was a $35 billion deal.
http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2004/12/12/spr ... »
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/57807 »
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I used, http://biz.yahoo.com/fool/050712/112117698705 .html?.v=one, as my source...
They said, Nextel partners, US wired, Alamosa and ubiquitel, and that are all i used. Sorry.
Again, that is a mostly all stock deal with a cap of $2.6 billion in cash to the shareholders.
It isn’t in theory a $35 billion dollar deal, because of it mostly being stock and rolled into the new company's stock symbol "s". The cash portion is what counts.
Good luck.
They said, Nextel partners, US wired, Alamosa and ubiquitel, and that are all i used. Sorry.
Again, that is a mostly all stock deal with a cap of $2.6 billion in cash to the shareholders.
It isn’t in theory a $35 billion dollar deal, because of it mostly being stock and rolled into the new company's stock symbol "s". The cash portion is what counts.
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$35 billion vs. $2.6 billion. The non-cash portion is still being "paid". Just because it is being paid with stock instead of cash doesn't mean it is worth that money. It may make financing different, but it isn't smoke and mirrors.
While they mentioned just the major players, all affiliate subs are at risk (unless someone operates in a market w/o Nextel currently. I used all affiliate figures and plugged them into your formula.
While they mentioned just the major players, all affiliate subs are at risk (unless someone operates in a market w/o Nextel currently. I used all affiliate figures and plugged them into your formula.
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No, the all-stock portion would just be rolled into the combined company with the new symbol being "S". The one that is paid by cash is the one you have to take note, while the stock purchase does not mean much. I would rather take all a cash deal instead of stock and a little bit of cash.
In this wireless industry, everyone is at risk.
In this wireless industry, everyone is at risk.
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let me add to that... even when Nextel/sprint has to spend $10-13 billion dollars on their affiliates based on my analysis of per subscribers, they will see $12 billion in synergies which would basically make that purchase even. also since they will be generating tons of cash from their services and products as well as the spin off of the local division it will remove a lot of debt on their books as well as to give a huge cash portion to their balance sheet. I think they will be getting a nice ROI on their investments from now on.
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They are not any competition to cingular. Hmm that’s interesting.
Why do you say that? Their boost service is only about $10 less in arpu then cingular's, which is quite pathetic. In addition, Nextel has the best churn, best arpu, and best lifetime revenue per user then any other carrier even your almighty cingular. In addition, when sprint/Nextel merges they will be very strong especially against the almighty cingular. They will have the highest arpu, and the highest lifetime revenue per user and perhaps the highest data arpu, but I am not sure on that.
Given all of that, Nextel is a huge competitor in this industry and the combined Nextel/sprint will be even bigger, especially with their managemen
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Yea, its not a great opinion, though, al though I do give you credit for saying what you did.
1. In 2007 half of Nextel’s towers/spectrum would be on the cdma network anyway.
2. Its very easy to transform the 800 MHz contig spectrum into cdma spectrum.
3. Yes, their arpu data arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user will still be strong. They offer very good products now and new in the future.
4. The integration between Nextel/sprint wouldn’t be that hard, especially when you have one of the best CTO in the land! In addition, add the great management core by Nextel and sprint, and you will have a great company.
5. dual phones would take care of that problem at first(it will include push to talk by the way), and then qchat will be ...
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1. In 2007 half of Nextel’s towers/spectrum would be on the cdma network anyway.
2. Its very easy to transform the 800 MHz contig spectrum into cdma spectrum.
3. Yes, their arpu data arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user will still be strong. They offer very good products now and new in the future.
4. The integration between Nextel/sprint wouldn’t be that hard, especially when you have one of the best CTO in the land! In addition, add the great management core by Nextel and sprint, and you will have a great company.
5. dual phones would take care of that problem at first(it will include push to talk by the way), and then qchat will be ...
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i'm not saying the end result won't be an attractive product, what i am saying is that during the transition, customers with little patience (many of them) will look elsewhere for reliable service. i'm also not saying they will all go to Cingular - they will go to VZW as well as other carriers in search of better service in the interim and the ones who find a nice "home" will likely stay and not go back to Sprint after the fact unless there was a VERY good reason to.
dual phones would take care of the problem to a point for some loyal customers, but ask anyone at Cingular - GAIT phones were nothing more than "complaint machines" - dropped calls left and right until the GSM network was built out enough to overtake TDMA. Unless, of course, ...
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dual phones would take care of the problem to a point for some loyal customers, but ask anyone at Cingular - GAIT phones were nothing more than "complaint machines" - dropped calls left and right until the GSM network was built out enough to overtake TDMA. Unless, of course, ...
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"Unless, of course, they can somehow develop a way to have seamless handoffs between iDEN and CDMA, which is doubtful."
This is a false statement. They are actually working on that and so far it is looking good.
"I don't see them taking over VZW anytime too soon (maybe 2-3 years out if they can prove the merger is going smoothly), let alone Cingular."
I do. I did the numbers on another post that you can find an analyze my computation. Maybe they won’t pass cingular right now, but verizon they will.
I do like some of your points though, but keep in mind, cingular/att wireless are a lot weaker then sprint/Nextel with a lot of the important metrics and most importantly, Nextel/sprint has the best CTO in the land as well as the b...
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This is a false statement. They are actually working on that and so far it is looking good.
"I don't see them taking over VZW anytime too soon (maybe 2-3 years out if they can prove the merger is going smoothly), let alone Cingular."
I do. I did the numbers on another post that you can find an analyze my computation. Maybe they won’t pass cingular right now, but verizon they will.
I do like some of your points though, but keep in mind, cingular/att wireless are a lot weaker then sprint/Nextel with a lot of the important metrics and most importantly, Nextel/sprint has the best CTO in the land as well as the b...
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"I don't see them taking over VZW anytime too soon (maybe 2-3 years out if they can prove the merger is going smoothly), let alone Cingular."
I do. I did the numbers on another post that you can find an analyze my computation. Maybe they won’t pass cingular right now, but verizon they will.
but my point is that your numbers are based on the assupmtion that there will not be an increase in people leaving the company due to the problems associated with merging.
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I do like some of your points though, but keep in mind, cingular/att wireless are a lot weaker then sprint/Nextel with a lot of the important metrics and most importantly, Nextel/sprint has th
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With the first part. Yes, i believe that Nextel/sprint won’t see a lot of people leave their company. I think that it will stay about the same per sub growth, especially with their differentiated products that will outperform the industry.
With your second point, i have been hearing that they have been having a lot of problems and my sources include corp and other sources that are tied into cingular/att wireless. In addition, consumers who i talk to on a daily basis also have been saying that they have been experiencing a lot of problems with result of the integration. (It is coming from the horse's mouth, not mine.)
In addition, you mentioned about Nextel/sprint might be facing problems with integration; i differ, because again, they...
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With your second point, i have been hearing that they have been having a lot of problems and my sources include corp and other sources that are tied into cingular/att wireless. In addition, consumers who i talk to on a daily basis also have been saying that they have been experiencing a lot of problems with result of the integration. (It is coming from the horse's mouth, not mine.)
In addition, you mentioned about Nextel/sprint might be facing problems with integration; i differ, because again, they...
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Its easy to say anything you want about what you hear from people on an online forum, I work at cingular, I talk to people every day in the NYC area, and on average, for every complaint about service since we merged with ATT I get another person who says their coverage is soo much better. Thats just facts, so sure, they may be areas that people have issues, but there are areas as well that people now have way better coverage, dont use a couple of examples and try to act like its nationwide...
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No, like i mentioned before i hear from people who are directly in corporate headquarters and in different markets who tell me things. In addition to that, i talk with consumers who are nationwide who also explain to me whets going on with the merger. So if you work with cingular, that is ok, but i directly talk to people who are with corp and as mentioned above. I don’t listen to what people say on here, sometimes, because it’s a minuscule of people as opposed to a lot of people who i talk to.
It isn’t a couple, it’s many. Sorry.
It isn’t a couple, it’s many. Sorry.
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In addition to that, i talk with consumers who are nationwide who also explain to me whets going on with the merger.
So explain to us how this enormous customer group let's you in on proprietary merger information. 'Cause we'd love to know.
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lol, whatever you say, i spend my day talking to people mainly in NYC, but sometimes everywhere (i work in a call center), so i dont think you want to compare who talks to a larger/diverse group of people, my basis for my point was interations i have with cingular customers daily, not ghost conversations with so called corporate executives.
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Also, my parents live in Wichita, KS, and they said they get better reception when they travel to Kansas City, and since the merger I was in San Francisco, and I just recently got back from a trip to Colorado, and I got awesome reception in both places as well, didnt want you to think i was just using a couple of random people in NYC area to support my info 😁
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I see, but as i mentioned before i talk to a lot of people in many different markets who differ with what you are saying. In addition, corp people say the same that they are having problems in some markets then others.
See it talk to informative people, while you just list your parents and a few people of sources.
So who should I believe you or them? Hmm. That is quite difficult to decide. Lol.
Good luck.
See it talk to informative people, while you just list your parents and a few people of sources.
So who should I believe you or them? Hmm. That is quite difficult to decide. Lol.
Good luck.
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lol, who should i believe, someone who says they talk to corporate people daily, or my own experiences....hmmm....that is quite difficult....good luck to you too my friend 😁
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also, see my other previous post about just basing it off me and my friends/relatives, i talk to people on daily basis from everywhere, but maybe they all lie....who knows
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aww. thanks, good like to you too. i wish you all the best at your entry level position, while i talk to highier people then you do. 🙂
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lol, my entry level position pays for my college, which in a couple of months i'll be moving to San Francisco to attend the San Franciso Academy or Art, and have a nice little graphic design internship with a company you might have heard...its called disney....lol, keep talking to those wandering gnomes.... 😁
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Well, that’s great for you. I am sure you will do fine. If you work for Disney thanks, perhaps you can push up my stock. Lol.
By the way, I know whom I talk to. 🙂
Thanks.
By the way good luck.
By the way, I know whom I talk to. 🙂
Thanks.
By the way good luck.
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lol, ill do what i can on the stock...no promises though, especially with the loss of PIXAR, but you never know 😕
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Its about time anothe graphic designer popped up in here. I thought I was the only one. I work for a firm here in VA. Good luck with SFAA and Disney.
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Awesome! thanks..im a little nervous, not sure if its about the job or just moving, but yeah, im excited 🙂
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It's quite funny that you like to play "big boy" but I just can't see anybody who can't even spell higher talking to the big shots you claim to talk to regularly. 🙄 Your entry level job must be boring you. 🤣
"highier"
And don't even try to say that it was a typo, because you mispelled it twice.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
If you're going to attempt to insult people, at least do it right.
"highier"
And don't even try to say that it was a typo, because you mispelled it twice.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
If you're going to attempt to insult people, at least do it right.
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nextel18 said:
So yes, Nextel/sprint will have a different outcome then cingular/att wireless's integration situation.
You're basing that statement on nothing concrete. We have absolutely NO idea how smoothly this integration will go.
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muchdrama said:nextel18 said:
So yes, Nextel/sprint will have a different outcome then cingular/att wireless's integration situation.
You're basing that statement on nothing concrete. We have absolutely NO idea how smoothly this integration will go.
If it happens at all.
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And 18 since you are so quick to bash CINGULAR/AT&T intergration of towers do you see the intergration of NEXTEL/SPRINT towers going any smoother considering they use two completely different technologies. Add to that the fact that neither companies coverage is that great (especially NEXTEL) "PLEASE WAIT WHILE WE LOCATE THE NEXTEL SUBSCRIBER" is an all too familiar idium with this substandard cell service provider. I don't care for CINGULAR even though I work for them but I call em like I see'em and well NEXTEL sucks. At least you can hold a decent conversation on a VZM, CINGULAR, AT&T, T-MOBILE phone...Now everyone here can't say that NEXTEL...
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yes, i do see its going smoother? why? well becuase you have the best managment in the industry with the best cto working at the helm. actually they do have a very good coverage area and coverage pops. with 45+ towers and 80mhz of spectrum it will dominate the industry with coverage/capacity.
with your "PLEASE WAIT WHILE WE LOCATE THE NEXTEL SUBSCRIBER" statment, you dont get why it says that. it says that becuase the customer (nextel's) can be on the direct connect, or the internet and that is why that message is told. it has nothing to do with coverage.
if nextel does "suck", then why do they have the best metrics in the industry, and why do they have a push to talk product that is better then a cdma solution and will be better the...
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with your "PLEASE WAIT WHILE WE LOCATE THE NEXTEL SUBSCRIBER" statment, you dont get why it says that. it says that becuase the customer (nextel's) can be on the direct connect, or the internet and that is why that message is told. it has nothing to do with coverage.
if nextel does "suck", then why do they have the best metrics in the industry, and why do they have a push to talk product that is better then a cdma solution and will be better the...
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Personally, I only think some companies suck because of their coverage areas. I don't know what quality is like or reception, but looking at some of the maps, I just say, DAMN.
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I guess that is the case with all providers, though and they are not perfect with their coverage maps. If you want something to be 100 percent perfect, get a satellite phone. Lol
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with your "PLEASE WAIT WHILE WE LOCATE THE NEXTEL SUBSCRIBER" statment, you dont get why it says that. it says that becuase the customer (nextel's) can be on the direct connect, or the internet and that is why that message is told. it has nothing to do with coverage.
Actually, that's a complete falsehood. While I used Nextel service, I had friends complaining every once in a while about how they couldn't get through to me even though my phone was sitting on my counter untouched. I've got the same complaint from a friend who's used Nextel's service for a good 6 years.
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👿 Sir the main reason I think NEXTEL sucks is because when I had their "service" if you can call it that the phone dropped calls if I went a few blocks down the street, it always had a problem connecting with other cell phone providers, there phone lineup is crap, their rateplans are prohibitively expensive, and their NATIONAL coverage is a joke. You spout your churn, and arpu statistics, but to the common man yes indeed NEXTEL suck!!!! Is that why they are the last place wireless provider?
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again, they are doing very well. I have Nextel now for around 7 years and I didn’t have the problems that you have been mentioning. sorry.
anyway its all about numbers and metrics. by the way, now they are number 3 and almost will be number 2 with total subscribers.
its all about churn, lifetime revenue per user, and arpu. you have those and you will do quite well.
they cover 263 million people and covers 297 out of the top 300 markets in the united states. with their lack of spectrum, that is quite good.
nonetheless, that will all change with this merger.
in addition, boost mobile, Nextel’s prepaid service is the best in the industry and what is funny is that their arpu is only 9 dollars less then both cingular and verizo...
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anyway its all about numbers and metrics. by the way, now they are number 3 and almost will be number 2 with total subscribers.
its all about churn, lifetime revenue per user, and arpu. you have those and you will do quite well.
they cover 263 million people and covers 297 out of the top 300 markets in the united states. with their lack of spectrum, that is quite good.
nonetheless, that will all change with this merger.
in addition, boost mobile, Nextel’s prepaid service is the best in the industry and what is funny is that their arpu is only 9 dollars less then both cingular and verizo...
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Yea, its not a great opinion, though, al though I do give you credit for saying what you did.
1. In 2007 half of Nextel’s towers/spectrum would be on the cdma network anyway.
2. Its very easy to transform the 800 MHz contig spectrum into cdma spectrum.
3. Yes, their arpu data arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user will still be strong. They offer very good products now and new in the future.
4. The integration between Nextel/sprint wouldn’t be that hard, especially when you have one of the best CTO in the land! In addition, add the great management core by Nextel and sprint, and you will have a great company.
5. dual phones would take care of that problem at first(it will include push to talk b
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Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
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ConvergysSlave said:
Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
I am in no way predicting that T-Mo will ever come close to being the size of Cingy, VZW, or S/N.
What I was trying to elude to was that Nextel currently likes to market their products toward lower income young people (in addition to the traditional business that can benefit from Direct Connect). My prediction was that when the merger goes through, the younger generation that Nextel is appealing to right now will go to either T-Mobile (hugely growing young subscriber base) or ...
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SForsyth01 said:...ConvergysSlave said:
Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
I am in no way predicting that T-Mo will ever come close to being the size of Cingy, VZW, or S/N.
What I was trying to elude to was that Nextel currently likes to market their products toward lower income young people (in addition to the traditional business that can benefit from Direct Connect). My prediction was that when the merger goes through, the younger generation that Nextel is appealing to right now will go to either T-Mobile (huge
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muchdrama said:...SForsyth01 said:ConvergysSlave said:
Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
I am in no way predicting that T-Mo will ever come close to being the size of Cingy, VZW, or S/N.
What I was trying to elude to was that Nextel currently likes to market their products toward lower income young people (in addition to the traditional business that can benefit from Direct Connect). My prediction was that when the merger goes through, the younger generation that Nextel is appealing to right
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SForsyth01 said:...muchdrama said:SForsyth01 said:ConvergysSlave said:
Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
I am in no way predicting that T-Mo will ever come close to being the size of Cingy, VZW, or S/N.
What I was trying to elude to was that Nextel currently likes to market their products toward lower income young people (in addition to the traditional business that can benefit from Direct Connect). My prediction was that when the merger goes through, the younger generati
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ConvergysSlave said:
Or when these young people get older they will dump T-mobile and move to an Adult company. And considering there is a growing older population base it may actually be the exact opposite of what you predict.
Who's to say this young demographic will dump Tmobile in favor of another carrier? Research shows people tend to stay with carriers they're happy with.
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That is very true. In addition, when the other carriers are starting to attack the older age markets with different products it will entice them to leave tmobile USA. In addition, tmobile USA will lose a lot of customers when they won’t be able to roll out a higher speed data with umts/hsdpa. As I keep on mentioning its all about arpu, DATA arpu, lifetime revenue per user and churn. If you win those metrics, you will be the industry leader in every category.
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That is very true. In addition, when the other carriers are starting to attack the older age markets with different products it will entice them to leave tmobile USA. In addition, tmobile USA will lose a lot of customers when they won’t be able to roll out a higher speed data with umts/hsdpa. As I keep on mentioning its all about arpu, DATA arpu, lifetime revenue per user and churn. If you win those metrics, you will be the industry leader in every category.
The only people who are nerdy enough to give 2 $hits about high speed data on a phone are those of us who frequent this website. The lack of 3G will not hurt T-Mobile in the near future (long term it will, if they don't react soon) beca...
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Here he goes swearing again. Lol. Nothing else is new anyway.
Yes, 3g will hurt providers who don’t have a 3g network. As I keep on saying, soon this market will get saturated and DATA arpu will be extremely important. By the way, did you check out DATA arpu for the carriers? Well, if you haven’t which I am sure you didn’t, those numbers are rising quarter after quarter, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES! In addition, did you look at how many people signed onto verizon's ev-do system? Probably not, but anyway, they got a very nice base right now and it is continuing to grow on a daily basis.
It is all about 3g! Therefore, your theory that no one cares for 3g or data services is false with my statements.
Do some rese...
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Yes, 3g will hurt providers who don’t have a 3g network. As I keep on saying, soon this market will get saturated and DATA arpu will be extremely important. By the way, did you check out DATA arpu for the carriers? Well, if you haven’t which I am sure you didn’t, those numbers are rising quarter after quarter, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES! In addition, did you look at how many people signed onto verizon's ev-do system? Probably not, but anyway, they got a very nice base right now and it is continuing to grow on a daily basis.
It is all about 3g! Therefore, your theory that no one cares for 3g or data services is false with my statements.
Do some rese...
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Here he goes swearing again. Lol. Nothing else is new anyway.
Yes, 3g will hurt providers who don’t have a 3g network. As I keep on saying, soon this market will get saturated and DATA arpu will be extremely important. By the way, did you check out DATA arpu for the carriers? Well, if you haven’t which I am sure you didn’t, those numbers are rising quarter after quarter, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES! In addition, did you look at how many people signed onto verizon's ev-do system? Probably not, but anyway, they got a very nice base right now and it is continuing to grow on a daily basis.
It is all about 3g! Therefore, your theory that no one cares for 3g or data services is false
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SForsyth01 said:...nextel18 said:
Here he goes swearing again. Lol. Nothing else is new anyway.
Yes, 3g will hurt providers who don’t have a 3g network. As I keep on saying, soon this market will get saturated and DATA arpu will be extremely important. By the way, did you check out DATA arpu for the carriers? Well, if you haven’t which I am sure you didn’t, those numbers are rising quarter after quarter, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES! In addition, did you look at how many people signed onto verizon's ev-do system? Probably not, but anyway, they got a very nice base right now and it is continuing to grow on a daily basis.
It is all about 3g! Therefore, your theory that no one ca
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muchdrama said:...SForsyth01 said:nextel18 said:
Here he goes swearing again. Lol. Nothing else is new anyway.
Yes, 3g will hurt providers who don’t have a 3g network. As I keep on saying, soon this market will get saturated and DATA arpu will be extremely important. By the way, did you check out DATA arpu for the carriers? Well, if you haven’t which I am sure you didn’t, those numbers are rising quarter after quarter, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA SERVICES! In addition, did you look at how many people signed onto verizon's ev-do system? Probably not, but anyway, they got a very nice base right now and it is continuing to grow on a daily basis.
It is all about 3g! T
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SForsyth01 said:...nextel18 said:
Yea, its not a great opinion, though, al though I do give you credit for saying what you did.
1. In 2007 half of Nextel’s towers/spectrum would be on the cdma network anyway.
2. Its very easy to transform the 800 MHz contig spectrum into cdma spectrum.
3. Yes, their arpu data arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user will still be strong. They offer very good products now and new in the future.
4. The integration between Nextel/sprint wouldn’t be that hard, especially when you have one of the best CTO in the land! In addition, add the great management core by Nextel and sprint, and you will have a great company.
5. dual phones would take care of that problem at
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Of course, young people are flocking to Nextel/sprint. Look at virgin mobile and boost mobile. They are prepaid customers targeting the same customers tmobile is, and guess what? Boost and virgin mobile are one of the best-prepaid products in the industry. In addition, boost mobile has the best arpu and lowest churn in the prepaid market. In addition to that, Nextel and sprint are doing extremely well with their core businesses and their mvno/affiliates and wholesale. No one is leaving them because their churn is decreasing by a few basis points every quarter while arpu and data arpu increases.
They will be able to retain them. Look at their lifetime revenue per user. They are number 1 and number 2 in the industry.
They will be able to retain them. Look at their lifetime revenue per user. They are number 1 and number 2 in the industry.
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Of course, young people are flocking to Nextel/sprint. Look at virgin mobile and boost mobile. They are prepaid customers targeting the same customers tmobile is, and guess what? Boost and virgin mobile are one of the best-prepaid products in the industry. In addition, boost mobile has the best arpu and lowest churn in the prepaid market. In addition to that, Nextel and sprint are doing extremely well with their core businesses and their mvno/affiliates and wholesale. No one is leaving them because their churn is decreasing by a few basis points every quarter while arpu and data arpu increases.
They will be able to retain them. Look at their lifetime revenue per user. They are number 1 and number 2 in t
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didnt even read it....
anyway... now i will keep my promise and say that you will be on ignore now...
since you say stupid things, there is no point of debating with you anymore.
sorry.
anyway... now i will keep my promise and say that you will be on ignore now...
since you say stupid things, there is no point of debating with you anymore.
sorry.
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nextel18 said:
didnt even read it....
anyway... now i will keep my promise and say that you will be on ignore now...
since you say stupid things, there is no point of debating with you anymore.
sorry.
Just quit posting here. This post is a perfect example of how you react when you are confronted with factual statements that prove how little you actually know about this industry. Like a little child.
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Join the club. 😁
Much, yourself, and I are all supposedly "on ignore". It is extremely funny that he always chooses to not read the posts that disprove his very ramblings and then ignores us from then on.
Much, yourself, and I are all supposedly "on ignore". It is extremely funny that he always chooses to not read the posts that disprove his very ramblings and then ignores us from then on.
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RUFF1415 said:
Join the club. 😁
Much, yourself, and I are all supposedly "on ignore". It is extremely funny that he always chooses to not read the posts that disprove his very ramblings and then ignores us from then on.
But that is how all individuals would act when proven wrong. At least all individuals that have too much pride to admit when they are wrong.
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They are not any competition to cingular. Hmm that’s interesting.
Why do you say that? Their boost service is only about $10 less in arpu then cingular's, which is quite pathetic. In addition, Nextel has the best churn, best arpu, and best lifetime revenue per user then any other carrier even your almighty cingular. In addition, when sprint/Nextel merges they will be very strong especially against the almighty cingular. They will have the highest arpu, and the highest lifetime revenue per user and perhaps the highest data arpu, but I am not sure on that.
Given all of that, Nextel is a huge competitor in this industry and the combined Nextel/sprint will be even bigger, especially with their managemen
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they just asked how long it takes. man you guys are hyped up about your awesome company. what a bunch of lapdogs.
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megs72979 said:
GOOD LUCK with nextel, i don't even see them as competition. i would suggest saying no to number guard when they offer it so when you want to leave nextel it doesn't take over a week.
Marvelous job answering the guy's question.
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It usually takes about 12 hours, but in some circumstances it can take up to five business days for the port to complete.
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This is actually a very dumb comment to say. A few days are the right amount of time for porting in numbers and porting out numbers.
By the way, according to channel checks, it looks like verizon and cingular will be number 1 and number 2 respectively. My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings.
By the way, according to channel checks, it looks like verizon and cingular will be number 1 and number 2 respectively. My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings.
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nextel18 said:
This is actually a very dumb comment to say. A few days are the right amount of time for porting in numbers and porting out numbers.
By the way, according to channel checks, it looks like verizon and cingular will be number 1 and number 2 respectively. My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings.
From the king of dumb comments himself. 🤣
Ok, so according to your 'channel checks', Verizon will have more than Cingular based on 2Q 2005 reports?
That's right there next to impossible.
Currently, Cingular has 50.3 million customers and Verizon has 46 million. So, you're saying that will gain more than 5 million customers...
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Al_Swearengen said:...nextel18 said:
This is actually a very dumb comment to say. A few days are the right amount of time for porting in numbers and porting out numbers.
By the way, according to channel checks, it looks like verizon and cingular will be number 1 and number 2 respectively. My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings.
From the king of dumb comments himself. 🤣
Ok, so according to your 'channel checks', Verizon will have more than Cingular based on 2Q 2005 reports?
That's right there next to impossible.
Currently, Cingular has 50.3 million customers and Verizon has 46 million. So, you're saying that
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Yea, that’s what I hinted towards
" My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings."
Notice where it says when they report their q2 earnings.
" My take is that verizon will be number 1 and cingular will be number 2 when they report their q2 earnings."
Notice where it says when they report their q2 earnings.
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BTW, to help customer's make an awesome decision in switching to Cingular, just through Customer care alone, we are offering NO migration fee of $18.00 and a Free Nokia 3120 with a $40.00 mail-in-rebate (in select markets). The Free phone price is BEFORE mail-in-rebate. Plus there is a SE Z500a being offered fro $35.99 with $50.00 mail-in-rebate.
If this doesn't convince the rest of the AWS customers to switch to a better network and get off the crappy TDMA system, I don't know what will... Wait yes I do, special promotion mailers being sent out for: 400 daytime minutes for $29.99 or 1000 for $39.99. With, of course, MTM and N&W minutes. Well no MTM on the $29.99 but with 400 minutes, you can't go wrong.
If this doesn't convince the rest of the AWS customers to switch to a better network and get off the crappy TDMA system, I don't know what will... Wait yes I do, special promotion mailers being sent out for: 400 daytime minutes for $29.99 or 1000 for $39.99. With, of course, MTM and N&W minutes. Well no MTM on the $29.99 but with 400 minutes, you can't go wrong.
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Yea, you make some sense.
It was about time that they took off the 18-dollar fee for migration. That was a very stupid decision, in my view, to charge customers who were forced to go to cingular to also get charged extra for it.
It was about time that they took off the 18-dollar fee for migration. That was a very stupid decision, in my view, to charge customers who were forced to go to cingular to also get charged extra for it.
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nobody was being forced to go to cingular, these customers were given a break and were being let out of their contract without penalty to get new phones way earlier than they should have been if it were still at&t. in my opinion, they should still be charged since cingular customers are still being charged to upgrade.
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Well, I heard that it was actually a "forced" integration. Perhaps I was wrong? Regardless, it isn’t right to pay a fee just to upgrade to the same company. Cingular bought Attwireless so when awe's customers switched to cingular there shouldn’t be any fees. That is how I look at it. Any reason why they took the fee off recently? (I could probably find out during cingular's call anyway, but just wanted to see what you have to say.)
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verizon charges the same fee to upgrade and activate.
they took it off recently to make the transition easier. in my market, at&t customers now have to wait the same period to get a cingular phone as cingular customers do to upgrade. 11 months in a one year and 21 months in a two year contract. cingular obviously has exceptions since we no longer offer at&t phones for people to migrate earlier.
they took it off recently to make the transition easier. in my market, at&t customers now have to wait the same period to get a cingular phone as cingular customers do to upgrade. 11 months in a one year and 21 months in a two year contract. cingular obviously has exceptions since we no longer offer at&t phones for people to migrate earlier.
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megs72979 said:
verizon charges the same fee to upgrade and activate.
they took it off recently to make the transition easier. in my market, at&t customers now have to wait the same period to get a cingular phone as cingular customers do to upgrade. 11 months in a one year and 21 months in a two year contract. cingular obviously has exceptions since we no longer offer at&t phones for people to migrate earlier.
Verizon has never charged an upgrade fee. The only activation fee you get charged is when you first sign up for service.
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That isn’t the point, why I raised the point was that cingular shouldn’t have charged the former att wireless subscribers to migrate to cingular. Verizon charging money is normal, because they didn’t merge with anyone and there is a normal upgrade fee. That is my point. All the other carriers charge, but to charge when your the same company? That’s outrageous! You cannot compare verizon to cingular in this case.
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Well when new customers sign-up they pay a fee, same thing for AWS customers switching to Cingular. They pay a fee to sign up new service even though they are migrating. It's still considered new service being setup.
Even AWS charged a fee to upgrade the phones, even if they switched to the AWS GSM system.
Even AWS charged a fee to upgrade the phones, even if they switched to the AWS GSM system.
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Yes, I know all that, however, its stupid. I know when you upgrade or migrate to another provider you have to pay, but not when you go from the same company. It is pathetic, and shouldn’t be tolerated, and I bet many people complained so they took it off. I don’t blame the consumers though, because cingular has no right to charge them money in a forced integration to move to their network. Awe was a terrible company so I wont comment on their terrible practices.
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Actually I considered AWE BETTER then CSE because we could offer credits to waive those fees or additional credits to lower the price of the phone further. There was also the promotions too.
"Hey need more daytime minutes for the same price, renew for another 1-2 years and it's yours for the rest of this rate plans life."
The Cingular oppressor doesn't have that, it's all about the money. People are greedy bastards.
That reminds me, I have to go after my friend who owes me $600.00.
"Hey need more daytime minutes for the same price, renew for another 1-2 years and it's yours for the rest of this rate plans life."
The Cingular oppressor doesn't have that, it's all about the money. People are greedy bastards.
That reminds me, I have to go after my friend who owes me $600.00.
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hahahha. quite funny.
well goodnight and we can continue tomorow or day after.
i wish you a good night. 🙂
get that friend! lol.
well goodnight and we can continue tomorow or day after.
i wish you a good night. 🙂
get that friend! lol.
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😁 I agree, with Cingular it is all about the money. I have T-Mobile, and they are all about the customer. T-Mobile earned the JD Power customer service award, but Cingular came in dead last with thier customer service.
In my opinion Cingular deserved it. Why? Because...
when my mom's phone stopped working for no reason, cingular told her that she would have to spend 100 dollars to get a new phone, whereas T-mobile would have sent her a replacement at no extra cost.
When I have talked to customer service (when I had cingular) they would tell me to go to a local store rep, and when I went to the store rep, they told me to call customer service!!!!
T-Mobile
Get More From Life.
In my opinion Cingular deserved it. Why? Because...
when my mom's phone stopped working for no reason, cingular told her that she would have to spend 100 dollars to get a new phone, whereas T-mobile would have sent her a replacement at no extra cost.
When I have talked to customer service (when I had cingular) they would tell me to go to a local store rep, and when I went to the store rep, they told me to call customer service!!!!
T-Mobile
Get More From Life.
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Let's not forget the most awesome phone on Earth the Sony Ericsson S710a (Yes I can't believe I said Sony Ericsson either). 😁
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According to the FCC ports should take no more than 3 hours. Of the 20 or so ports done here since May 15th only one took more than 3 hours. That one was a customer error (actually Western Wireless error) as the account number and authorized name was incorrect on the port request.
From where are you getting this days time period?
From where are you getting this days time period?
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From his "channels", otherwise known as that talking dwarf who sits on his shoulder whispering "nextel....nextel...nextel..." 😁
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So other crazy people who have little gnomes whispering in their ears.
Not a valid source
Not a valid source
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Are you not aware that the FCC mandates ports take a maximum of three hours?
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i am, however, it takes longer. the Fcc mandates a lot of things carriers dont follow. (ie the charges and the e911 situation)
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It doesn't take that long for any of the other carriers. Landline ports take a while longer, but wireless ports take 3 hours.
E911 hasn't had a hard rollout date so your comparison is not valid.
November 26th, 2003 (top markets) and May 26th 2004 (rest of country) number portability was required to be made available with a 3 hour completion time. Fines would be assessed for carriers not complying with this time period. I would be wiling to bet over 90% of the responders here would agree ports take about 3 hours.
BTW, what are "the charges".
E911 hasn't had a hard rollout date so your comparison is not valid.
November 26th, 2003 (top markets) and May 26th 2004 (rest of country) number portability was required to be made available with a 3 hour completion time. Fines would be assessed for carriers not complying with this time period. I would be wiling to bet over 90% of the responders here would agree ports take about 3 hours.
BTW, what are "the charges".
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do you think many of the carriers listen to the fcc? lol come on.
e911=
http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/ »
"The deployment of E911 requires the development of new technologies and upgrades to local 911 PSAPs, as well as coordination among public safety agencies, wireless carriers, technology vendors, equipment manufacturers, and local wireline carriers. The FCC established a four-year rollout schedule for Phase II, beginning October 1, 2001 and to be completed by December 31, 2005"
The FCC has granted various limited waivers of the Phase II rules to wireless carriers, subject to revised deployment schedules and quarterly reporting requirements. The revised schedules and reporting requirements for each carrier may be reviewed in t...
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e911=
http://www.fcc.gov/911/enhanced/ »
"The deployment of E911 requires the development of new technologies and upgrades to local 911 PSAPs, as well as coordination among public safety agencies, wireless carriers, technology vendors, equipment manufacturers, and local wireline carriers. The FCC established a four-year rollout schedule for Phase II, beginning October 1, 2001 and to be completed by December 31, 2005"
The FCC has granted various limited waivers of the Phase II rules to wireless carriers, subject to revised deployment schedules and quarterly reporting requirements. The revised schedules and reporting requirements for each carrier may be reviewed in t...
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texaswireless said:
From where are you getting this days time period?
I can't say for sure, but I bet it tickles something fierce when he pulls it out of there... 🙄
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Aleq said:texaswireless said:
From where are you getting this days time period?
I can't say for sure, but I bet it tickles something fierce when he pulls it out of there... 🙄
Dammit, man! Coke on the monitor again!
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I work for verizon, according to our porting department, cingular is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
if you can make up posts, so can I!
HA HA!
HA!
if you can make up posts, so can I!
HA HA!
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i am soooo serious. i am waiting on a port to be complete, and our dept said exactly that, that verizon has such a high volume of port outs that there is a big delay.
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I'm sure if a call was placed asking how long is this gonna' take because I'm waiting on a port from Sprint, the same excuse would be given... "Oh, Sprint has so many port-outs..."
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each porting department speaks with each other so they get the scoop from each company. i have been selling phones for awhile and have been told when it was our problem with a port or the other companies, believe it or not we are all very candid with each other. and that is the first time i have ever heard that excuse with all the different issues i have seen come up with port ins or outs.
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is that why verizon was the final carrier to announce their numbers last quarter too?
probably the most uncredible post ever.
port center reps aren't going to know anything about carrier successes/troubles any faster than regular employees.
probably the most uncredible post ever.
port center reps aren't going to know anything about carrier successes/troubles any faster than regular employees.
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I don't know why it would make a "satisfied" Cingular customer happy that Verizon may have lots of numbers porting over to other carriers. Even if this rumor were true, how does it benefit your own Cingular service and rates? It's like a big personal,emotional battle here between Cingular and Verizon--each one trying to say "Na Na Na Na Na Na" to the other. If you're happy with Cingular, great, stay with them. No need to trash Verizon, the company with the better reputation for quality (deserved or not). Does trashing Verizon give you some kind of pleasure? Lets say Verizon lost 10 million customers last quarter (highly unlikely, but assume it just for kicks). How does that benefit you as a Cingular user? Does it "validate" your decisio...
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I know you're a Cingular employee, so are hoping your company will do well, and improve it's financial performance. But you have no facts--just a bunch of rumors that mean nothing.
I don't know why it would make a "satisfied" Cingular customer happy that Verizon may have lots of numbers porting over to other carriers. Even if the rumors were true, how does it benefit the customers of Cingular? It's like a big personal,emotional race here between Cingular and Verizon--each one trying to say "Na Na Na Na Na Na" to the other. If you're happy with Cingular, great, stay with them. No need to trash Verizon, the company with the better reputation for quality (deserved or not). Does trashing Verizon give you some kind of pleasure? Lets say Veri...
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I don't know why it would make a "satisfied" Cingular customer happy that Verizon may have lots of numbers porting over to other carriers. Even if the rumors were true, how does it benefit the customers of Cingular? It's like a big personal,emotional race here between Cingular and Verizon--each one trying to say "Na Na Na Na Na Na" to the other. If you're happy with Cingular, great, stay with them. No need to trash Verizon, the company with the better reputation for quality (deserved or not). Does trashing Verizon give you some kind of pleasure? Lets say Veri...
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I'm sure part of it is like if your favorite hockey team is the Boston Bruins... Or even if your favorite sport is hockey... Personally I hate hockey, some people just have different likes. They have a favorite phone manufacurer and a favorite carrier... Call them nerds, I don't care, but I'm sure thats where a lot of the go team go comes from.
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dca--That's a great analogy. Seems that people get very loyal to one company, and get very upset to hear their "team" criticized.
I guess it's also like people and their cars. GM vs. Ford, American vs. Japanese cars. Or Apple computers vs. Windows. People get pretty loyal and a lot of times, comments are based on emotions rather than hard facts.
I guess the carriers involved have to be happy that they have created such strong loyalties.
I guess it's also like people and their cars. GM vs. Ford, American vs. Japanese cars. Or Apple computers vs. Windows. People get pretty loyal and a lot of times, comments are based on emotions rather than hard facts.
I guess the carriers involved have to be happy that they have created such strong loyalties.
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verizon sucks, i had both verizon and cingualr for a while and love cingular's phones and all over network
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This is the first I have heard of us backlogged on porting numbers out. Its all done on automated verification. So if it is taking a day or two to get a number released its because you don't have the right info on the request.
You may want to recheck your sources and make sure they know what they're talking about before posting it.
You may want to recheck your sources and make sure they know what they're talking about before posting it.
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megs72979 said:
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
In Your Face!
See? now, who is losing customers? or better yet.... mmmm... who is not adding enough customers?
1.9 millions customers added on 2Q. VZW (even thou not a big fan any more) has impressed me on 2Q results.
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BeachSlapped said:megs72979 said:
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
In Your Face!
See? now, who is losing customers? or better yet.... mmmm... who is not adding enough customers?
1.9 millions customers added on 2Q. VZW (even thou not a big fan any more) has impressed me on 2Q results.
Okay?
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BeachSlapped said:megs72979 said:
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
In Your Face!
See? now, who is losing customers? or better yet.... mmmm... who is not adding enough customers?
1.9 millions customers added on 2Q. VZW (even thou not a big fan any more) has impressed me on 2Q results.
Yep, and so much for the credibility of megs' 'porting department'.
I mean, if it ever had any to begin with. 😁
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Then you is bliiiiiind. As in tapping-around-with-white-cane. j/k 😎
Seriously, read the news. VZW added 1.9 million folks 2nd quarter. Cingular, 1.07 million. Which makes megs' orginal post:
... more than a bit off.
HA! yerself, megs. 🤣
Seriously, read the news. VZW added 1.9 million folks 2nd quarter. Cingular, 1.07 million. Which makes megs' orginal post:
megs said:
I work for cingular, according to our porting department, verizon is taking a few days to release numbers because they cannot handle the volume of numbers porting out.
HA!
... more than a bit off.
HA! yerself, megs. 🤣
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I am not biased towards any company one bit ill go where ever offers me the best deal at the time. been with Us Smellular Sprint and now i have Verizon it is going to be real real difficult to beat verizon as of now. other than the fact they charge for everything may i remind you US.C started it Sprint Followed and now Verizon took aim at it so who else does that leave to follow it may not happen now but it will later Cingular is going to follow Suit on the bandwagon its just a matter of time..
but anyhow Im Planning on checking Cingular out for a lil while to see how they perform against the comp as a customer they rock in pretty much every aspect of the wireless industry all you have to do is a lil research to find this out.. but cing...
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