Nokia E71 and AT&T internet policies!
I've read some horror stories about AT&T removing Media Net from people's accounts and stuff. I plan on getting the phone and just putting my SIM in it. Will they give me S#!%^?
I refuse to pay $30 a month for internet on a phone.
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As far as charging you more.. It's possible. Though as long as you don't use TOO much data you might be able to fly under the radar. I just recently added it to my phone as well. I don't plan on heavy full page web browsing myself.
Though having google maps work perfectly with the builtin GPS is nice.
30.00= PDA Internet Unlimited
15.00= Non PDA Internet Unlimited
If you don't want to pay the 30, then do what some of my close friends have done. Buy an N-95, N-73, K850 etc...
If you want a PDA which an all In one expensive device, then you will pay the higher cost to have interent.
The phones work differently as well, PDA and Non PDA, which is why they require the 30.00 Data Pack..
Phone Scoop doesn't look any different on any of the 3 above mentioned devices.
Internet is internet is internet!!!!!!!!
I've always used the $15 MEdiaNet Unlimited. I've used a Tilt, and Blackjack 2. The only time you need a higher package is for Blackberry, or any kind of Enterprise use.
The only time I had a problem is when I had to tether my V3xx for a couple weeks because my neighbors moved and took their unsecured Wi-Fi with them. Eventually they removed the MEdiaNet package and charged me per-use, but as soon as I got the bill and saw it I called them up and gave them a piece of my mind. Got the $15 package back and credits for all the charges.
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bwag717 said:
Ignore Slater. AT&T can see what IMEI is being used with what SIM and can change or bill you overages accordingly. Calling and complaining is the best way for them to know you were doing something wrong. They usually don't go after you until they see you teathering but I've worked in this business long enough that they will get you sooner or later. I just can't stand people imploring others how to cheat. Trust me, I've probably had about 40-50 people who think just like Slater and they have had to pay the piper. Makes my job and customer services jobs harder when the cheaters want a refund for getting caught.
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The problem lies in the people who tether their phones on the $15.00 dollar plan and use mega amounts of data. These are the users that eventually drive up prices because they are unethical with their behaviour by violating the terms of service.
Other than screen size ALL the web pages I go to regularly look no different on my N95 than they do on my laptop.
Nobody will ever convince me that data usage is any different between viewing websites on a cell phone or on a computer, the - ONLY - difference is - SCREEN SIZE -.
You are quite the little thief aren't you?
Stealing WiFi (now a federal crime)
Stealing service (lying to AT&T to get bill credits)
Next time you get that big bill I hope the rep is smart enough to look into your notes to realize you are habitual versus the little lying story you portray.
And get your technology recommendations correct. As soon as you put that SIM in your handset they know the type of phone being used.
Good luck with that thief!
I own the N95-3, and yeah, I tether, it's easy to tether my handset.
- AT&T can always determine the IMEI of a device that is being used on the network (Telegence can show it for every call, CARE not so much, but it's possible to use other network tools to determine the device). However, this does not always mean they will be able to determine what kind of device that is. Since the E71 is not currently offered by AT&T (and won't be anytime soon, to my knowledge), it's very possible the IMEI will show up, but just list the model as unknown.
- Enterprise data functions (any kind of email, VPN, etc) will always require the PDA data plan to work properly, though it's sometimes possible to use the PDA Personal plan ($30) instead of PDA Enterprise ($45). It depends on the server.
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If you have a Global login, you have access to that. It doesn't give a history of all calls made like the billed call detail will in Telegence, but it will list the most recently used IMEI and (in most cases) the phone model.
japhy said:
I've seen RAZRs (the original GSM one) configured with a Data Connect plan for a laptopπ
Meant to add that if anyone is using their device as a tethered modem, the Data Connect plan is required. You will receive PPU charges without it. That said, I am not sure if the original RAZR was tether compatible, but thought it was.
If you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account, incur chargers because you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account and then lie to customer service to get those charges removed THAT is stealing.
Just because the morals of many today have got to the toilet doesn't mean you should do it.
However, the issue I was discussing was using one type of data plan for a different type of device, as the initiator of this thread was asking about. I maintain that to be paying less than what AT&T would prefer for a data service (but still paying for data service) is *not* stealing, regardless of what AT&T would have anyone believe.
It's not quite the same, but I liken the situation to the RIAA's aggressive description of digital manipulation of music as stealing. If I rip a CD that I bought to my computer, that's completely legal, but the RIAA has continuously sought to have such an act...
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I do disagree with you on the usage of the wrong plan from a moral standpoint. If one knows they are trying to dupe the system then that is black and white wrong. Joe customer who buys a blackberry curve on ebay and had a RAZR may not know the difference and ignorance to the matter is excusable. There are just too many, especially here, who try to circumvent the system ...
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Just like the guy who steals wireless signal from his neighbors, he knows he is a thief, even if he tries to justify it as being unsecured.
If I see something I want sitting in my neighbor's yard that is not locked down, and I take it, it is theft. If I go to the cable box and alter the settings so I can get cable, it is theft. If I buy a descrambler so I can get pay channels for free, it is theft. If I set up my wireless PC ...
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I would like to say I understand AT&T's charges for things such as Blackberry email or Enterprise email, because it invovlves servers.
BUT, I do disagree with having different charges for regular web browsing for regular handsets vs. PDA phones, because web pages look no different whether it's Phone Scoop on my N95-3, Blackjack 2, or Blackberry Curve all of which I have Opera Mini 4.1 loaded on. PDA or non PDA webpages look no different. Personally I think Pocket Internet Explore is craP! That's why we have Opera Mini & Skyfire.
Such is the beauty of GSM. I can put my SIM card in any GSM device, and perticularly unlocked Nokia's detect network...
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They charge more because ALL PDA devices use a different servers, not just blackberries.
If you understand the reasoning for blackberries then you should understand the difference for other PDA devices.
Cause when I put my sim in a Blackjack 2, or a Curve, regular internet works just fine. I can careless about BB email or microsoft exchange.
Regular handsets use the older wap.cingular servers to access the internet. These servers handle substantially more traffic.
PDA devices use isp.cingular. Less traffic and faster.
The settings are in the phone, NOT the sim so yes if you swap your sim around it will always work until the day your account is audited.
I do a large majority of my web browsing on my N95-3, using the Opera Mini browser.
I'm a bit annoyed, though, that there seems to be so little focus on the issue at hand. Texaswireless & others seem to be concerned with trying to define what is right & wrong. You can do that all you want - I have a very firm moral compass, I know what I believe, and I happen to agree that theft is wrong. As to what constitutes theft, well, there's some degree of interpretation there, and some folks are intent on forcing their definition on others. I'm not too comfortable with that.
The issue, as it relates to Beachslapped's original post, is whether it is [legally/morally/procedurally] wro...
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If someone intentionally tried to get service for an amount cheaper than are supposed to be paying and used deceptive practices to keep that service (for example, putting a non PDA IMEI on their account so they can get medianet knowing they will be using a PDA) there is very little wiggle room for what they are doing.
And I seriously doubt you can intelligently speak to the thoughts of Ralph De La Vega. Why are they taking steps to ensure that the right plan can only be activated on a certain IMEI when you used to be able to activate any internet plan on any IMEI (on pos.com II) if they didn't care?
Not sure what region you are in but the $99 cap remains here in the North...
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While I usually don't speculate about the operation ethos of others, I think I can confidently say that DLV would never classify paying customers as "thieves".
I deal with all regions & markets - I work in Telegence, Telegence NBI, & CARE Markets. There's no $99 cap anymore. I'll look to see if I can find any accounts that are showing it, but I'm nigh-unto-certain that the cap is gone nationally. You may still be dealing with some residual statements, or your market might be an exce...
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Some devices need the $30 and some don't. If you want to pay $30 for a service you can get for $15, by all means.
Myself and all my associates always provision the account properly with whatever plan they need for the phone. When it comes to selling it is in my best interest to do so. But as a consumer inquiring about what may actually be needed, I'd like to save some money if possible. There is probably only a small fraction of people that use the improper plans, and I say good for you.
DaCoach and Bwag - Enjoy conformity and I hope it follows you into other facets of consumerism.
TexasWireless - My neighbors, one of whom is a roomate of mine now, were completely aware that I w...
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ACSlater said:
TexasWireless - My neighbors, one of whom is a roomate of mine now, were completely aware that I was using their Wi-Fi and didn't care. The assumption you made about my remarks was wrong. And yes, I got credits on my bill, had most people on here been in the same position they would have done the same thing. I'm not paying a $1000 bill. And I'm sure if they dug a little deeper they'd be able to find out what kind of phone the SIM is in. But at the account maintenance level that most stores and CSR's deal in the IMEI that is scanned into the account is the one they see.
You all just need to calm down a little.
If abiding by the rules and laws that governments and companies have set for certain products is "conformity", then I don't see what the problem is. You are simply highlighting the growing public attitude that as long as you don't get caught, then its ok.
You act as if playing the system is fine for everyone - You claim no one would pay a $1,000 bill - but what if customer service refuses to credit the charges back? Would you simply say, "ok, i got caught, its on me"..? I seriously doub...
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While the amount you pay may be governed by the contract, there is no law that controls that to a certain extent. Playing the system may not be fine for everyone. But like I've said, I don't really care.
As long as you don't call up acting like a raging maniac, customer service will credit the charges back. And yes, like many customers I will do whatever it takes to get a credit, because I know I can.
ALL HAIL YOU GUYS!!! KINGS OF MORALITY!!! π
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ACSlater said:
Totally wrong. It's the neighbor paying for it that has the say in who can use it or not. Using your logic, if somebody comes to my house to visit and while they're there they use my wi-fi then it's still stealing. That doesn't make sense. His knowledge of my use is all that matters.
You truly have no clue do you? The service your neighbor is paying for is for their address - there own home. If you are not located in that home, you do not have the right to use that service. Its the exact same as if they were still using wired internet - If you were to hack into their wired setup it would be considered stealing - you are doing the same thing, except the "wires" are just wireless bandwidth...
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Hacking infers breaking into and stealing, so sure hacking a wired setup to use is stealing. But using internet with the permission of the person that pays for it...?
Show me the law that says I have to pay $30 when I can pay $15 for internet on my cell phone. Or show me the law that says I can't borrow my neighbors wi-fi with their permission. Not the terms and services of the company, ...
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You don't have to explain anything to me. Frankly, and I don't know how many times I have to explain this, I don't care what you think.
If it were not so, I would get the $39/month package from my ISP, and run cables to all the houses/apartments in my neighborhood. The ISP would lose out on thousands of dollars of revenue, and perhaps I could make a little as well ...
On a related note. . . I miss the phonescoop blog, but that's just me.
BeachSlapped said:
Ok, will AT&T allow me to keep my unlimited media net (currently using a dumbphone) on this beauty right here? -->http://www.wirelessimports.com/Store/Catal og/Detail.aspx?productId=981
I've read some horror stories about AT&T removing Media Net from people's accounts and stuff. I plan on getting the phone and just putting my SIM in it. Will they give me S#!%^?
I refuse to pay $30 a month for internet on a phone.
Uses the same operating system... i wonder if they will consider the e71 as a pda and require a pda package since it has a keyboard and allow the 6650 media net since is has a traditional keypad????
Guy Montag said:
Good question. I was shocked to see the 6650 on medianet rather than pda connect. Wasn't the quickfire also originally slated to be a pda at the start of the year? Rebates had a US Starcom phone listed as a pda.
it's a double standard with at&t... the ut starcom that was listed was supposed to be an entry level pda running on edge and win mo 5.0. from the looks of it they canceled that and the quickfire is what it is.
QWERTY + Enterprise functions/corporate email capability + smartphone operating system (Tilt, Treos, probably E71) = PDA data plan required.
QWERTY + personal/webmail only + dumbphone OS(Pantech Matrix, Propel, Slate, etc) = MediaNet plan.
Of course, the real world provisioning can often be quite different (as has been discussed above).
Anything without a QWERTY would be a MediaNet data plan. Something like the Nokia E51 or the HP iPaq510 might be an exception, since they're pretty capable of corporate email, but for devices that aren't offered by AT&T natively, there won't be that much scrutiny.
Some time ago, I bought a new phone -- just a basic phone, but it had a camera in it at a time when only about 20% of phones had cameras. I would have selected that phone, even without the camera. Although I expected I might use the camera on occasion, I had absolutely NO intention of sending photos via the phone service -- I could upload them via a PC connection.
When I went to get the contract setup with my selected phone, they added a monthly charge for photo sending. As I recall, it included xx photos per month at that rate, then a per-photo thereafter. I told them I did not want that service, and was told that it was NOT optional -- the ph...
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japhy said:
AT&T Policy says:
QWERTY + Enterprise functions/corporate email capability + smartphone operating system (Tilt, Treos, probably E71) = PDA data plan required.
QWERTY + personal/webmail only + dumbphone OS(Pantech Matrix, Propel, Slate, etc) = MediaNet plan.
Of course, the real world provisioning can often be quite different (as has been discussed above).
Anything without a QWERTY would be a MediaNet data plan. Something like the Nokia E51 or the HP iPaq510 might be an exception, since they're pretty capable of corporate email, but for devices that aren't offered by AT&T natively, there won't be that much scrutiny.
The real reason for the difference in the price is because they do p...
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think about it, i have to pay health insurance for at least 6 months before i can use it, wtf?????
also, if im selling lemonade for $1 a cup, and someone tell me they saw it down the road for $0.50 a cup, and i sell it to them at the lower rate, and there was no one selling for $0.50 then the customer worked the system, he didnt steal from me, he worked the system.
every dollar put into the system has to be paid back with interest. at the same time, if you deposit 1 million in the bank, they only have to hold 10%, so the bank just made $900,000 for absolutely nothing. if peo...
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