My problem with VZW - Prove me wrong...
You know the more I think about it, the more ticked off I get that I am a VZW customer. You know why?
Cingular, Tmobile & Sprint - Yes, by comparison their networks do not have nearly the coverage that VZW does...But you know what Cingular, Tmobile and Sprint do not do?
THEY DO NOT CRIPPLE THEIR DAMN PHONES IN THE NAME OF GENERATING MORE REVENUE.
When a new phone is released to Sprint and Verizon with Bluetooth file transfer and DUN capabilities, here's the process from Sprint:
"Cool! This phone can transfer files via bluetooth between a computer and the phone AND it can be the modem for a laptop too! Kick Ass! Our customers will love it!"
Here's the process from Verizon:
"Uh Oh, this phone will transfer files via bluetoot...
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Cingular, Tmobile & Sprint - Yes, by comparison their networks do not have nearly the coverage that VZW does...But you know what Cingular, Tmobile and Sprint do not do?
THEY DO NOT CRIPPLE THEIR DAMN PHONES IN THE NAME OF GENERATING MORE REVENUE.
When a new phone is released to Sprint and Verizon with Bluetooth file transfer and DUN capabilities, here's the process from Sprint:
"Cool! This phone can transfer files via bluetooth between a computer and the phone AND it can be the modem for a laptop too! Kick Ass! Our customers will love it!"
Here's the process from Verizon:
"Uh Oh, this phone will transfer files via bluetoot...
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the 800 mhz towers are the reason vzw has the best coverage, It has better penetration into buildings which creates for strong signals in most situations which means fewer dropped calls/service issues.
as for you crying like a school girl about paying 15$ to use your blackberry as a modem no one cares, if you had a pc card it would be 59.99 for just broadband on the laptop.
44.99 for unlimited broadband access +15 for the added ability to tether it =59.99, but you get it on your blackberry plus your laptop. how is that a rip off?
every carrier has its pro's and cons. VZW's pros are the best network and customer service(along with tmobile) the cons are "crippled" bluetooth. We feel the pro's far outweight the cons, and if you are not...
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as for you crying like a school girl about paying 15$ to use your blackberry as a modem no one cares, if you had a pc card it would be 59.99 for just broadband on the laptop.
44.99 for unlimited broadband access +15 for the added ability to tether it =59.99, but you get it on your blackberry plus your laptop. how is that a rip off?
every carrier has its pro's and cons. VZW's pros are the best network and customer service(along with tmobile) the cons are "crippled" bluetooth. We feel the pro's far outweight the cons, and if you are not...
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"44.99 for unlimited broadband access +15 for the added ability to tether it =59.99, but you get it on your blackberry plus your laptop. how is that a rip off?"
Because the phone does it NATIVELY and VZW purposefully DISABLES it so they can charge for it and VZW's competition DOES NOT DO THAT.
It's like buying a car with a navigation system in it, the dealer disables it and says but you can pay X amount a month to use it if you like...You paid for the car AND the navigation system and the dealer F'd you. VZW disabling DUN on phones that worked in this manner natively is VZW F'ing you - period.
Folks like you that seem to be happy in the face of someone screwing you over crack me up...It's like you like being abused or something.
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Because the phone does it NATIVELY and VZW purposefully DISABLES it so they can charge for it and VZW's competition DOES NOT DO THAT.
It's like buying a car with a navigation system in it, the dealer disables it and says but you can pay X amount a month to use it if you like...You paid for the car AND the navigation system and the dealer F'd you. VZW disabling DUN on phones that worked in this manner natively is VZW F'ing you - period.
Folks like you that seem to be happy in the face of someone screwing you over crack me up...It's like you like being abused or something.
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hrm..what 800mhz towers...
The frquency is 850 CDMA and VZW has NOT activcated a single CDMA 850 tower yet...why, they just bought that spectrum.
Sadly...they sold the towers necessary to use the CDMA 850 already.
The frquency is 850 CDMA and VZW has NOT activcated a single CDMA 850 tower yet...why, they just bought that spectrum.
Sadly...they sold the towers necessary to use the CDMA 850 already.
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hrm..what 800mhz towers...
The frquency is 850 CDMA and VZW has NOT activcated a single CDMA 850 tower yet...why, they just bought that spectrum.
Sadly...they sold the towers necessary to use the CDMA 850 already. you do know 800 and 850 has been the same.
The frquency is 850 CDMA and VZW has NOT activcated a single CDMA 850 tower yet...why, they just bought that spectrum.
Sadly...they sold the towers necessary to use the CDMA 850 already. you do know 800 and 850 has been the same.
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I didn't really read your book but to sum it all up:
BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Yep, either you like the service and put up with the things you don't like or you leave.
To bitch and moan really won't change anything... not until Sprint/Cingy/T-Mo can offer the complete package the way VZW does, VZW aint gonna do squat because why should they... they lead in new customers every quarter... don't fix what ain't broke.
Do I like it... no but I had Cingular for 3 months and had to drop it over CS. I won't even bother with Sprint and T-Mo.
BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Yep, either you like the service and put up with the things you don't like or you leave.
To bitch and moan really won't change anything... not until Sprint/Cingy/T-Mo can offer the complete package the way VZW does, VZW aint gonna do squat because why should they... they lead in new customers every quarter... don't fix what ain't broke.
Do I like it... no but I had Cingular for 3 months and had to drop it over CS. I won't even bother with Sprint and T-Mo.
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"To bitch and moan really won't change anything"
Oh? Is that how VZW got to where it is today? Cingular? Any other company on Earth? By just ignoring feedback from customers? Hmmm...Me thinks you need to take a business class or two to gain a clue.
Oh? Is that how VZW got to where it is today? Cingular? Any other company on Earth? By just ignoring feedback from customers? Hmmm...Me thinks you need to take a business class or two to gain a clue.
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I think you need to look at reality. If VZW was as bad as what you say why is it that they lead almost every single catergory every single quarter? Cingular was losing customers before they acquired ATTWS, as was ATTWS. As for listening to their customers, I think VZW does as whole... they offer abover average customer service for their given industry, they have a solid, if not spectacular voice network, and competent secondary services.
BTW, if I need to take a Business class or two (which I don't... my MBA from U of Penn (Wharton) can attest to that) you need to take a writing comprehension course or two because your rant is completely incoherent. "Me thinks...", ok lets leave Popeye out of this... he's good people too.
BTW, if I need to take a Business class or two (which I don't... my MBA from U of Penn (Wharton) can attest to that) you need to take a writing comprehension course or two because your rant is completely incoherent. "Me thinks...", ok lets leave Popeye out of this... he's good people too.
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"I think you need to look at reality. If VZW was as bad as what you say why is it that they lead almost every single catergory every single quarter?"
I think you need to grow a brain...I didn't say squat about whether they were number one or not...I'm quite sure they are, they do have the best coverage.
"BTW, if I need to take a Business class or two (which I don't... my MBA from U of Penn (Wharton) can attest to that)"
You apparently didn't learn much...Businesses have to cater to their clients to survive - period. That does not hold true only for rave reviews, that also holds true for complaints and pissed off customers. So again, if you don't like it, don't read the complaints.
I think you need to grow a brain...I didn't say squat about whether they were number one or not...I'm quite sure they are, they do have the best coverage.
"BTW, if I need to take a Business class or two (which I don't... my MBA from U of Penn (Wharton) can attest to that)"
You apparently didn't learn much...Businesses have to cater to their clients to survive - period. That does not hold true only for rave reviews, that also holds true for complaints and pissed off customers. So again, if you don't like it, don't read the complaints.
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businesses have to cater to the majority of their customers if that means making a profit quarter over quarter to maintain a Good network for their phones to work then so be it?? they don't change their entire business structure to cater to one bitching customer.
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Wow...So, you've apparently never heard this complaint and apparently never realized that when one customer bitches, it's one customer bitching...I can't be two peoplem, or 10,000...Sorry to disappoint you...But I can be one OF MANY making this complaint on a regular basis hoping that this already fantastic company will become even better...
Again, you don't like that? Ok fine...take a hike.
Again, you don't like that? Ok fine...take a hike.
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You guys really don't get it. There's nothing illegal, immoral or overall bad about what Verizon does. They are a for profit company. They are NOT the government and they are NOT going to give you everything.
You're kidding yourself if you think that Cingular, Sprint, T-Mob, etc gives away services because they are benevolent companies. They are doing it because they are getting their ass kicked and they need to generate revenue however possible to keep stockholders happy. Be it 7pm N&W, rollover minutes, free bluetooth transfer, whatever. If any of the others were on top they wouldn't need to suck people in with gimmicks. Rollover minutes were genius. They picked up a ton of customers that will never use all the rollover anyway a...
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You're kidding yourself if you think that Cingular, Sprint, T-Mob, etc gives away services because they are benevolent companies. They are doing it because they are getting their ass kicked and they need to generate revenue however possible to keep stockholders happy. Be it 7pm N&W, rollover minutes, free bluetooth transfer, whatever. If any of the others were on top they wouldn't need to suck people in with gimmicks. Rollover minutes were genius. They picked up a ton of customers that will never use all the rollover anyway a...
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No, you don't get it...You consider it a perfectly legitimate practice to cripple something then sell it to customers then tell them you will essentially reverse the crippleing of it for X amount a month. I CALL THAT UNETHICAL - PERIOD.
Reselling a product that is exactly as it is when it came out of the factory it was built in, with the exact and intended functionality it was designed to have is NOT giving something away as you say. The mere fact that you think that shows your skewed thinking.
If you don't like it, take a hike.
Reselling a product that is exactly as it is when it came out of the factory it was built in, with the exact and intended functionality it was designed to have is NOT giving something away as you say. The mere fact that you think that shows your skewed thinking.
If you don't like it, take a hike.
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No, you don't get it...You consider it a perfectly legitimate practice to cripple something then sell it to customers then tell them you will essentially reverse the crippleing of it for X amount a month. I CALL THAT UNETHICAL - PERIOD.
Reselling a product that is exactly as it is when it came out of the factory it was built in, with the exact and intended functionality it was designed to have is NOT giving something away as you say. The mere fact that you think that shows your skewed thinking.
If you don't like it, take a hike.
So to continue on that theme, they shouldn't be charging for mobile web on regular phones. It comes with the functionality to do it. 🙄 Again, its a bu...
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There is a big difference here mobile web (the service) is something the carrier must setup in order for a user can gain access (there is a legitimate reason to charge for the service). Now the web browser on the phone is available to every customer and although they can’t use it, it’s not disabled by any means. Dial Up Networking being blocked is just crap and its VZW looking for additional revenue.
VZW has to do nothing to make DUN work it’s a feature of the phone, as an example if you have a Motorola V710 you can us DUN to dial an ISP and access the net at 14.4k or you could choose pay VZW for mobile web $5.00 and then access the 1xrt network at 144k or you could have owned the first versions of the Motorola E815 and choose to acces...
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VZW has to do nothing to make DUN work it’s a feature of the phone, as an example if you have a Motorola V710 you can us DUN to dial an ISP and access the net at 14.4k or you could choose pay VZW for mobile web $5.00 and then access the 1xrt network at 144k or you could have owned the first versions of the Motorola E815 and choose to acces...
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businesses have to cater to the majority of their customers if that means making a profit quarter over quarter to maintain a Good network for their phones to work then so be it?? they don't change their entire business structure to cater to one bitching customer.
Thank you! Something must be working in spite of all the b....! This world we live in just continues to became more, "Me, Me, Me" if I dont like something, well that major corporation should change it just for ME! Unbelievable! Obviously if things were not working for VZW I am more than quite sure the higher powers would make changes, and for all you may know things could be in the process (not saying that they are!) but cou...
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you have a MBA and still you work at a cell phone store! Damn I'm 21, no education out of H.S. and manage a keiosk. What the hell was getting a degree for, you might as well use it for toilet paper cause you're not using it for anything else
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hehehe, I was going to mention that too, but I didn't want to assume they were a VZW employee at a store though I was quite sure they were.
If he/she/it does have an MBA it just goes to show what that will get you these days.
If he/she/it does have an MBA it just goes to show what that will get you these days.
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How would you assume you knew what dept someone worked in? Could be very high up in the company, don't recall the poster saying they were a rep in store or call center, though there are individuals that start there for experience from the bottom up. BTW employees do have the ability to move quickly within the corportation.
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take a reading comprehension class bubs...I specifically said that's why I didn't mention it, I was replying to someone else that said it.
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sdgmcdon said:
"To bitch and moan really won't change anything"
Oh? Is that how VZW got to where it is today? Cingular? Any other company on Earth? By just ignoring feedback from customers? Hmmm...Me thinks you need to take a business class or two to gain a clue.
I took me a class or two in business at the Shaneequa Janelle Schmooey Anderson Community Technical Vocational College in Schmooeyville, Indiana. I learnt me a lot about them there businesses. And I got my Associates degree in Underwater Naked Hoochee Dancing.
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Well I am glad that I switched from Verizon to T-Mobile for the very reasons that you have stated and more.
I am still confused about how good the call service is, since I couldn't even receive a call with VZW inside my house, but can with T-Mobile. If I have a prob with T-Mobile in the future I am going to back to Cingular because when I had them, they were better than Verizon too, so it all depends on what region you are in. I am also not just saying this because I don't like VZW, I constantly check signals and keep track of where my phone calls are being lost, and that is sad if I can't get calls inside a house so I will never believe in "Its the Network!"
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I am still confused about how good the call service is, since I couldn't even receive a call with VZW inside my house, but can with T-Mobile. If I have a prob with T-Mobile in the future I am going to back to Cingular because when I had them, they were better than Verizon too, so it all depends on what region you are in. I am also not just saying this because I don't like VZW, I constantly check signals and keep track of where my phone calls are being lost, and that is sad if I can't get calls inside a house so I will never believe in "Its the Network!"
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"I am still confused about how good the call service is, since I couldn't even receive a call with VZW inside my house, but can with T-Mobile"
Well, with any network there are differences in exact areas covered and deadspots. A dead spot here and there in a home here or there is typical of anyones coverage.
Well, with any network there are differences in exact areas covered and deadspots. A dead spot here and there in a home here or there is typical of anyones coverage.
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Yes, but an entire neighborhood is unacceptable, I don't live in the boondocks. And I am also going by what CNET.com and JDPOWER.com said, when they came out with T-Mobile having the best coverage in my area.
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Just another reason why Tmobile is so awesome, verizon lies and you won't have to worry about that with Tmobile they have service everywhere, including the ranch!!!!!!!
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Ehh, I've had my share of problems with Tmobile too...No carrier is perfect, VZW is close though that's why I bitch about them and just ditch the other carriers all together. Enough bitching and moaning about certain things and things will change creating the absolute perfect carrier ... Long way off, but this post (and the fact that it's remaining on the top of the Verizon forum) is my little donation to that cause.
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Just another reason why Tmobile is so awesome, verizon lies and you won't have to worry about that with Tmobile they have service everywhere, including the ranch!!!!!!!
Really? Cause T-Mobile does not have coverage where I am. In fact, I don't think there is T-Mobile service for, oh, I don't know, 100 MILES IN ANY DIRECTION??? Point of fact, NO WIRELESS CARRIES PICKS UP EVERYWHERE AND ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THEY DO IS LYING TO YOUR FACE! Its a radio signal, subject to the same restrictions and barriers as ANY OTHER radio frequency. Basically, you buy what works for you. T-Mobile cornered your market? Swell. Go for it. VZW? Fine. Buy what makes you happy. If you find you do nothing but whine ab...
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Cingular, Tmobile & Sprint - Yes, by comparison their networks do not have nearly the coverage that VZW does....
Ex-cuuuu-se me??? 😡 Have you ever seen a Cingular coverage map?
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Whhich one? the analog one? the digital one? the one where IN network doesn't work? the one where you roam and don't get charged for it? or the one where you roam and you do get charged for it?
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Hell yes, I got charged 200 bucks roaming charges alone, IN LOS ANGELES! "THANKS VERIZON!" for that bill, you twits.
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Hell yes, I got charged 200 bucks roaming charges alone, IN LOS ANGELES! "THANKS VERIZON!" for that bill, you twits.
Well, maybe if you paid attention to what plan you had which obiviously had to have been an OLD one, then you would know what coverage you had.. So.. who is the twit, the irresponsible one? BTW, there is a extra fee for babysitting! 🤣
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Wow, you are clueless. These days I don't think any carrier charges you for roaming on national plans...I know VZW doesn't.
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cingular doesnt, but then they dont let people know when they are roaming. then they send a letter letting you go when you use to much roaming. so far the other carriers are not doing that. like for vzw,as long as you can use your phone,then no extra for roaming. but if you cant use phone then no roaming. so each carrier has there ways of cutting back on some roaming.
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A cingular map ha as if that reresents the truth. The map says on the bottom that the orange is not a look of actual coverage. T-Mobile is the only company that does not lie about there coverage. They are the only company that will take you down to street level as far as coverage. 😎
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Wrong.
I really think you should look at a Cingular coverage map sometime. They do street-level coverage and the interface is almost identical to T-Mobile's.
I really think you should look at a Cingular coverage map sometime. They do street-level coverage and the interface is almost identical to T-Mobile's.
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Actually, Verizon is now the only Tier-1 National company without a specific street level map that talks about signal strength.
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Yes, that's right. Sprint, Cingular, and T-mobile all have street level coverage maps. I show them to my customers all the time.
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T-Mobile- 5 levels of signal strength
Cingular- 3 levels of signal strength
Sprint- 3 levels of signal strength
Verizon- No signal strength details and does not allow you to zoom in anywhere near street level. In fact, in Washington, DC the maximum zoom level could show both Washington, DC and Baltimore in the same map if you are centered between those cities. Not a very good maximum zoom level. How about sharing some of that testman data with the rest of us hmmm?
Cingular- 3 levels of signal strength
Sprint- 3 levels of signal strength
Verizon- No signal strength details and does not allow you to zoom in anywhere near street level. In fact, in Washington, DC the maximum zoom level could show both Washington, DC and Baltimore in the same map if you are centered between those cities. Not a very good maximum zoom level. How about sharing some of that testman data with the rest of us hmmm?
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actually i can zoom into street level in the eRoes, i have used that to my advantage a number of times.
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Cingular reps had MTI tool before they put it on their website publicly too.
Oh well
Oh well
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Oh wait..The VZW "Internal Tests" are still Classified??
Which means that not even the lwer downs in Corporate know the results..and certainly NOT any of the sales people.
Love how a comapny tells ppl where to test and what type of test to place. Doesn't show much. Get 3rd party results..then come bragging to rest of the world. (And im not talking about Consumer based reports...those are changing like a hearbeat these days.)
Which means that not even the lwer downs in Corporate know the results..and certainly NOT any of the sales people.
Love how a comapny tells ppl where to test and what type of test to place. Doesn't show much. Get 3rd party results..then come bragging to rest of the world. (And im not talking about Consumer based reports...those are changing like a hearbeat these days.)
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Oh wait..The VZW "Internal Tests" are still Classified??
Which means that not even the lwer downs in Corporate know the results..and certainly NOT any of the sales people.
Love how a comapny tells ppl where to test and what type of test to place. Doesn't show much. Get 3rd party results..then come bragging to rest of the world. (And im not talking about Consumer based reports...those are changing like a hearbeat these days.)
So Consumer Reports magazine isn't a 3rd party. Well skippy f-ing day, I didn't know that. JD Powers, oh, that doesn't count either. Who exactly would be satisfactory for this determination. Oh yeah, anyone who doesn't rate VZW at the top, got it. 🙄
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T-Mobile- 5 levels of signal strength
Cingular- 3 levels of signal strength
Sprint- 3 levels of signal strength
Verizon- No signal strength details and does not allow you to zoom in anywhere near street level. In fact, in Washington, DC the maximum zoom level could show both Washington, DC and Baltimore in the same map if you are centered between those cities. Not a very good maximum zoom level. How about sharing some of that testman data with the rest of us hmmm?
Don't know where you work, but I can zoom in on street level maps and do everyday , also pull up cell sites, measure distance, et, you must be looking at a way different map than me!
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Excuse me, Sprint, Cingular, and T-Mobile's coverage locators ALL GO down to the street level and don't have the BOLD "This map is not a guarantee of coverage and may contain areas with no service." at the bottom of the page. (http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageL ocatorController?requesttype=newsearch)
So far, when it comes to Coverage Locators, VZW is in last place...and they still have the bold disclaimer.
So far, when it comes to Coverage Locators, VZW is in last place...and they still have the bold disclaimer.
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to bad it doesn't work 😳 Tmobile says my house is covered but there phones do not work there! maybe they shoudl add a disclaimer or perhaps i should sue, crap people get millions for less than that.
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Yes actually I have. Cingular has GREAT coverage here in Portland Oregon, the problem is you generally are only successful in making and completing a call about 60% of the time, the rest of the time you're dealing with dropped calls. 4 Phones with Cingular, 2 with AT&T (whom Cingular bought) just before Cingular offered service here and with all the phones, over the course of 2+ years AT&T-> Cingular this remained a constant problem.
Maybe where you are they don't have this issue, but here they do and excuse me for being concerned about whether or not a cell company can provide reliable coverage where I live.
The world does not revolve around you.
Maybe where you are they don't have this issue, but here they do and excuse me for being concerned about whether or not a cell company can provide reliable coverage where I live.
The world does not revolve around you.
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If you live in PDX, why don't you just switch to Sprint??? It's the EXACT SAME coverage as vzw. Plus you can use your BT phone as a modem, plus by the end of Q1 you'll have EVDO Rev A access for all your broadband needs. Stop complaining about vzw and DO SOMETHING about it. Try Sprint for 30 days and tell me the PDX coverage is not as good. I guarantee you it is.
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I have been tempted to actually. But in the last company I worked for I was often in the basement server room where our edit suites were as well. I had Verizon, and a friend of mine that worked in one of the edit suites had Sprint. He could NEVER get a signal down there, I always had a signal down there.
Also, years ago I traveled the country for my job, at that time Sprint was the best company for that specific purpose (every large city covered etc). But the signal was only good in large cities, on major freeways and airports...pretty much every where else, no signal. I suppose it's possible that has changed and I have heard from others that it has, but I'm still in contract with VZW (though I pay them enough each month that I'd likely ...
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Also, years ago I traveled the country for my job, at that time Sprint was the best company for that specific purpose (every large city covered etc). But the signal was only good in large cities, on major freeways and airports...pretty much every where else, no signal. I suppose it's possible that has changed and I have heard from others that it has, but I'm still in contract with VZW (though I pay them enough each month that I'd likely ...
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yea, well if VZW hears it enough they may change...if you don't like it, don't read the post.
It's the consumer market, get use to it.
It's the consumer market, get use to it.
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And do you really think that complaining about it on a third-party forum is going to make a bit of difference??? The only way any company is going to make a change is if enough people call in about it, but, honestly, I wouldn't count on them changing this any time in the near future! If you really hate the company that bad, then switch carriers and deal with less service...It's your call, really.
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"And do you really think that complaining about it on a third-party forum is going to make a bit of difference???"
And do you really think the folks over at VZW don't read whats being said about them on this forum?
And/or do you really think I haven't mentioned this to VZW directly as well?
"The only way any company is going to make a change is if enough people call in about it"
It seems you know why I complain about it...But yet, you still feel the need to bitch at me for doing it...Interesting.
"If you really hate the company that bad, then switch carriers and deal with less service"
I don't hate the company and I've already said why I wont switch companies.
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And do you really think the folks over at VZW don't read whats being said about them on this forum?
And/or do you really think I haven't mentioned this to VZW directly as well?
"The only way any company is going to make a change is if enough people call in about it"
It seems you know why I complain about it...But yet, you still feel the need to bitch at me for doing it...Interesting.
"If you really hate the company that bad, then switch carriers and deal with less service"
I don't hate the company and I've already said why I wont switch companies.
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Not bitching at you about it, it just seems to me that a lot of people complain on here without taking the proper steps to resolve the issue. If you have, good for you, and rant away!
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Well again, VZW (and other carriers) DO monitor forums about them including this one.
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Carriers DO moniter these forums, if you care to read some of the carrier forums, once in a while you'll see someone get fired from the company for leaking information to the public.
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Maybe you should get a PDA phone or blackberry then? They get their "true" operating system...And can do more than any other phone VZW offers...And can tether without the $15+ a month (if you know how to hack).
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Ok first off...I currently have a blackberry 8703e, and previously had the 700W & the 700P.
Second, I know I can tether on other carriers with these (or similar) phones for no more than I pay for the data plan...That was kind of my point of the post.
Third, not everyone is a complete technology geek that can't wait to hack their cell phones like you. Some people just want to buy a cell phone and use it.
Lastly, put the joint down.
Second, I know I can tether on other carriers with these (or similar) phones for no more than I pay for the data plan...That was kind of my point of the post.
Third, not everyone is a complete technology geek that can't wait to hack their cell phones like you. Some people just want to buy a cell phone and use it.
Lastly, put the joint down.
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Can someone please educate me on what other tether options VZW's competitor's offer that are broadband and less then $59.99 a month. On Sprint's website, I can't even find any info on a tether option, but their aircard costs $59.99 a month. The only tether option on Cing's website I can find is blackberry tether for $79.99 and again their aircard costs $59.99...
And obviously access on a laptop will cost more (or the same as competitor's in this case), you're transferring more data! If competitor's offer a laptop access solution for less then $59.99 why do they even offer aircards for that price?
I pay comcast extra for my HD channels, but why? My TV and cable box are already NATIVELY capable of HD. And on top of paying for the service...
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And obviously access on a laptop will cost more (or the same as competitor's in this case), you're transferring more data! If competitor's offer a laptop access solution for less then $59.99 why do they even offer aircards for that price?
I pay comcast extra for my HD channels, but why? My TV and cable box are already NATIVELY capable of HD. And on top of paying for the service...
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"On Sprint's website, I can't even find any info on a tether option,"
You can't find it because it's not an option...it just works because the phone natively supports it; kind of my point.
I went through Cingulars site, seems like they are taking on the Verizons stance with the blackberry specifically, however with the other smart phones (most capable of DUN) they leave the ability for it to act like a modem for a laptop intact and they do not charge you to use it as such. Same with Sprint & Tmobile. VZW on the other hand, disables it on everything and allows it only on the blackberry and only for $15/month...
Quick note here I thought was funny. In the typical response from a VZW employee again I heard "security" as the reason for...
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You can't find it because it's not an option...it just works because the phone natively supports it; kind of my point.
I went through Cingulars site, seems like they are taking on the Verizons stance with the blackberry specifically, however with the other smart phones (most capable of DUN) they leave the ability for it to act like a modem for a laptop intact and they do not charge you to use it as such. Same with Sprint & Tmobile. VZW on the other hand, disables it on everything and allows it only on the blackberry and only for $15/month...
Quick note here I thought was funny. In the typical response from a VZW employee again I heard "security" as the reason for...
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Ok, I get why I couldn't find any mention of a tether option on Sprint's website, they call it something else! They have a separate plan called phone-as-modem add on, though I couldn't find pricing info on it... anyone know?
and some quick browsing on howardforums showed that most people are stealing their tethering from sprint by disabling some crap on their phones or something.
lol, so if Sprint's going to keep letting people steal their service more power to them...
Also after browsing howardforums, I found a link to Cingular's data plans:
https://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/data_connect »
and look at that under LaptopConnectCard or Tethered Device unlimited service starts at $59.99.
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and some quick browsing on howardforums showed that most people are stealing their tethering from sprint by disabling some crap on their phones or something.
lol, so if Sprint's going to keep letting people steal their service more power to them...
Also after browsing howardforums, I found a link to Cingular's data plans:
https://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/data_connect »
and look at that under LaptopConnectCard or Tethered Device unlimited service starts at $59.99.
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If/when sprint, cingular & tmobile do it it would be following VZW's lead and would be strictly a result of VZW not having a backlash of irritated complaining customers...That would suck, but as business goes, that's how it works.
I would say I'm sorry to see that the majority of people seem to think this is a completely reasonable and acceptable practice.
I'm just not a sheeple.
I would say I'm sorry to see that the majority of people seem to think this is a completely reasonable and acceptable practice.
I'm just not a sheeple.
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Uhh, I think I already proved to you that other carriers do offer separate plans for tether access, but you chose to ignore that part. Your phone is natively capable of making phone calls too, what makes paying for any additional service that uses network resources any different?
It seems like the INDUSTRY, not vzw set the standard that broadband laptop access is going to cost $59.99, if vzw is being such nazis for charging for tether access, wouldn't competitor's gain more by offering cheaper prices not matching vzw?
So I think your argument has been reduced to the standard blahblah bluetooth obex restrictions. Yes, everyone knows it's not for security, but as long as they are making millions off gin downloads that isn't going change....
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It seems like the INDUSTRY, not vzw set the standard that broadband laptop access is going to cost $59.99, if vzw is being such nazis for charging for tether access, wouldn't competitor's gain more by offering cheaper prices not matching vzw?
So I think your argument has been reduced to the standard blahblah bluetooth obex restrictions. Yes, everyone knows it's not for security, but as long as they are making millions off gin downloads that isn't going change....
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Okay, lets clear this up:
Cingulars basic description of the blackberry 7130c
"Find form and function in this stylish, lightweight, phone-style handset with the Cingular exclusive SuretypeTM QWERTY keyboard. Browse the web, view attachments and run applications with Quad-band, high-speed EDGE, and Bluetooth®. It's got a sleek design, fast performance, light sensing screen, and more. Plus speakerphone, Bluetooth® technology, IM, and polyphonic and MP3 ringtones. Best of all, no need to carry a wireless PC card. Just connect your laptop or desktop computer to the Internet and use the 7130c as a tethered modem."
Notice the last sentence. Now, select the phone and go through the services menu's to add voice service, data etc...THERE I...
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Cingulars basic description of the blackberry 7130c
"Find form and function in this stylish, lightweight, phone-style handset with the Cingular exclusive SuretypeTM QWERTY keyboard. Browse the web, view attachments and run applications with Quad-band, high-speed EDGE, and Bluetooth®. It's got a sleek design, fast performance, light sensing screen, and more. Plus speakerphone, Bluetooth® technology, IM, and polyphonic and MP3 ringtones. Best of all, no need to carry a wireless PC card. Just connect your laptop or desktop computer to the Internet and use the 7130c as a tethered modem."
Notice the last sentence. Now, select the phone and go through the services menu's to add voice service, data etc...THERE I...
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If you reread my posts I was asking if anyone knew what the pricing was for competitors. I had posted that because you had previously ignored my price discussion...
So I stand corrected, either way my original point was other companies do have specific tether plans that are generally more expensive then pda only access. So, Cingular is the same price for unlimited and Sprint is $20 cheaper. Minutes are cheaper tmobile and metro then vzw, cing or sprint, but if companies can charge more for a "superior" product why shouldn't they?
And you can tether on nonblackberry devices. The 700p, moto q, and a lot of their phones, lg 9800, 8300, 8100, moto v3c/m, k1m, samsung a930, a990 are all tetherable off the top of my head. Yes, it looks like...
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So I stand corrected, either way my original point was other companies do have specific tether plans that are generally more expensive then pda only access. So, Cingular is the same price for unlimited and Sprint is $20 cheaper. Minutes are cheaper tmobile and metro then vzw, cing or sprint, but if companies can charge more for a "superior" product why shouldn't they?
And you can tether on nonblackberry devices. The 700p, moto q, and a lot of their phones, lg 9800, 8300, 8100, moto v3c/m, k1m, samsung a930, a990 are all tetherable off the top of my head. Yes, it looks like...
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I'm saying I wouldn't buy a product from a manufacturer to resell it to my customers, cripple it's capabilities then turn around and tell my customers that I will let them use those STANDARD FEATURES of the device for X amount a month...It's just purely unethical. Again, you apparently like that they do that...Your opinion not mine.
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I never said I like what they do. I don't really get how it is crippling it when they are allowing you to do it. Yes, it does cost more, but haven't we established that other companies also charge more? They may not be as much as verizon, but can't you get minutes cheaper on tmobile, hell why not metropcs.
Voice service is the most standard service built into a phone. You pay a minimum in order to use the network. I really don't see how tethering is any different. Pricing aside, are you not paying for an additional service?
Voice service is the most standard service built into a phone. You pay a minimum in order to use the network. I really don't see how tethering is any different. Pricing aside, are you not paying for an additional service?
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No we have not established that other companies charge their clients more to allow them to use the features the phone was designed to have from the factory...That's the point of the post, VZW is the only one doing that.
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mmm ok bud.
Two posts ago you stated the numbers for me... $40 for sprint's phone as modem plan is more then the $20 or whatever they charge for powervision and I'm still kinda confused about how cingular is charging for tether access... but we agree that they have different plans for tethering blackberries, correct?
Their data plans are kinda confusing, but statements like:
"Note: Customers who wish to tether with their PDA device and have an unlimited PDA data plan will need to upgrade their rate plan to a Data Connect Plan for Laptops. Unlimited Data Connect Plans for PDA do not include tethering capabilities and may incur additional charges."
directly from cingular's website:
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Two posts ago you stated the numbers for me... $40 for sprint's phone as modem plan is more then the $20 or whatever they charge for powervision and I'm still kinda confused about how cingular is charging for tether access... but we agree that they have different plans for tethering blackberries, correct?
Their data plans are kinda confusing, but statements like:
"Note: Customers who wish to tether with their PDA device and have an unlimited PDA data plan will need to upgrade their rate plan to a Data Connect Plan for Laptops. Unlimited Data Connect Plans for PDA do not include tethering capabilities and may incur additional charges."
directly from cingular's website:
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"Two posts ago you stated the numbers for me... $40 for sprint's phone as modem plan is more then the $20 or whatever they charge for powervision and I'm still kinda confused about how cingular is charging for tether access... but we agree that they have different plans for tethering blackberries, correct?"
$40 is cheaper than Verizons $45 + $15
Cingular only mentions the that unlimited blackberry service also allows tethering. They say nothing about the non BB phones which all support DUN thus would work as a modem.
Your link is nice, problem is data connect applies to corporate med-->large business accounts, not personal individual accounts.
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/data_connect »
And here it shows the unlimited data...
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$40 is cheaper than Verizons $45 + $15
Cingular only mentions the that unlimited blackberry service also allows tethering. They say nothing about the non BB phones which all support DUN thus would work as a modem.
Your link is nice, problem is data connect applies to corporate med-->large business accounts, not personal individual accounts.
http://www.cingular.com/midtolarge/data_connect »
And here it shows the unlimited data...
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Damn Nancy just insult everyone and wonder why we all hate you, just port girly and stop crying!!!!!!!!!!
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"No, Verizon does not disable their entire handset line up besides the blackberry for tethering, if you even read my previous post I listed 10+ phones off the top of my head that are tetherable"
I must have missed that, 10 phones from VZW that are tetherable WITHOUT PAYING THE EXTRA $15? If so, I'm intriqued. If not, my points stand.
"Yes, Verizon may be more expensive then it's competitors, and I think that is your only real point in this thread"
Seriously, take a reading comprehension class.
My entire point to this thread was not that VZW is more expensive than it's competitors, that's a given as apparently you understand (glad to know you understand something). My point was that (pay atten
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"No, Verizon does not disable their entire handset line up besides the blackberry for tethering, if you even read my previous post I listed 10+ phones off the top of my head that are tetherable"
I must have missed that, 10 phones from VZW that are tetherable WITHOUT PAYING THE EXTRA $15? If so, I'm intriqued. If not, my points stand.
"Yes, Verizon may be more expensive then it's competitors, and I think that is your only real point in this thread"
Seriously, take a reading comprehension class.
My entire point to this thread was not that VZW is more expensive than it's competitors, that's a given as apparently you understand (glad to know you understand somet
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I replied to the original post since this is too buried.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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And as I've said in this post previously that apparently some folks around here cannot absorb I like Verizon for their coverage and support, what I don't like is the ripoff $15/month tethering and the fact that you can't do it at all on a non-blackberry device without 3rd party software that VZW will BILL YOU FOR if they find out your using it for such purposes.
As stated elsewhere, there are many pda and non pda Verizon phones that are tetherable. Not sure where you're getting the understanding that only the Blackberry's are capable of such a service.
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I think your argument has been reduced to the standard blahblah bluetooth obex restrictions. Yes, everyone knows it's not for security, but as long as they are making millions off gin downloads that isn't going change. I know it has been said before, but the average customer does not care about obex.
What does OBEX have to do with GIN? You can't even transfer a ringtone with BT these days, much less a collection of DRM protected GIN files.
Please tell me how disabling BT has carriers "making millions off gin downloads".
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Exactly, if they had obex and were able to transfer ringtones they wouldn't be purchased off of gin. I was actually grouping pix in there too.
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turbodeuce said:
Exactly, if they had obex and were able to transfer ringtones they wouldn't be purchased off of gin. I was actually grouping pix in there too.
I agree, but still confused about the policy. Why does Verizon allow OBEX transfers on some handsets and not others? Why do they offer it on initial releases, like the V3c and 6256i and then pull it on a later release?
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why are they worried abut file tranfer when i send my ringtones through mms and get my pictures off using a micro sd card, so what difference would it make either way i am not paying for gin. I will tell you...the are just evil 😈
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why are they worried abut file tranfer when i send my ringtones through mms and get my pictures off using a micro sd card, so what difference would it make either way i am not paying for gin. I will tell you...the are just evil 😈
Ha ha. I enjoy this forum so much because of you. I have absolutely no gain by exposing the VZ tactics, except for fun.
I just watch their policies, stock value, and bad business practices.
The time is coming when VZ will destruct and become just a leader of connectivity, where they belong. Like AT&T did.
Do you know that AOL is for FREE now, because content and control at the same time didn't work?
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Which stock value of VZW are you watching?? Don't believe the company is publicly traded on the market. 🤨
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Yellowrose said:
Which stock value of VZW are you watching?? Don't believe the company is publicly traded on the market. 🤨
Verizon Communications (Public, NYSE:VZ)has been flat since the handset crippling started.
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wnrussell said:Yellowrose said:
Which stock value of VZW are you watching?? Don't believe the company is publicly traded on the market. 🤨
Verizon Communications (Public, NYSE:VZ)has been flat since the handset crippling started.
Verizon Communications is "One" of Verizon Wireless parent companies, not the only one.. VZW is not publicly traded... They are in a sense seperate.
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wnrussell said:...yeahright said:
why are they worried abut file tranfer when i send my ringtones through mms and get my pictures off using a micro sd card, so what difference would it make either way i am not paying for gin. I will tell you...the are just evil 😈
Ha ha. I enjoy this forum so much because of you. I have absolutely no gain by exposing the VZ tactics, except for fun.
I just watch their policies, stock value, and bad business practices.
The time is coming when VZ will destruct and become just a leader of connectivity, where they belong. Like AT&T did.
Do you know that AOL is for FREE now, because content and control at the same time didn't work?
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and some quick browsing on howardforums showed that most people are stealing their tethering from sprint by disabling some crap on their phones or something.
lol, so if Sprint's going to keep letting people steal their service more power to them...
Well, according to Living Ghost people are hacking their Verizon phones for free tethering, too. 🤣
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lol I know. My point was that free tethering is not endorsed by any of the carriers.
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there's some sprint phones that block features too.
also where are you at the vzw has the BEST coverage. ive never traveled to a place where my cingular phone didnt work but my verizon did.
also where are you at the vzw has the BEST coverage. ive never traveled to a place where my cingular phone didnt work but my verizon did.
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I think it's about time for VZW to get out of the equipment business altogether. I think it's time to completely separate equipment, content, and distribution. I think it's time for electronic retail stores to sell mobile handsets and for carriers to activate them, no questions asked. I think it's time for VZW to stop branding, restricting, and crippling mobile handsets in order to lock customers into their service. I think it's time for regulation that forces carriers to change their ways and give consumers more freedom and choice. I think it's time for the mobile equipment market to be opened up and end the heavy-handed practices of VZW and other carriers.
Here is an Act that would give consumers the choice to do exactly that:
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Here is an Act that would give consumers the choice to do exactly that:
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You say Verizon's actions are like communism yet you want the government to control what is offered.
You have zero understanding of how a free market operates. You could choose to do what you want yet you don't. You want to force your choice on a carrier who is very successful with their business plan because it does not suit YOU.
You have zero understanding of how a free market operates. You could choose to do what you want yet you don't. You want to force your choice on a carrier who is very successful with their business plan because it does not suit YOU.
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I haven't heard of any...
Portland Oregon. Verizon is best here, Tmobile is probably 2nd, Cingular and Sprint 3rd and 4th.
Verizons has without a doubt the most reliable and vast coverage in the state. Tmobile is really good as well in both signal coverage and reliability, but not quite as good as Verizon. Cingular has good coverage but apparently cannot handle the capacity as the calls drop constantly. Sprint doesn't have the coverage area, but does do ok with reliability.
Portland Oregon. Verizon is best here, Tmobile is probably 2nd, Cingular and Sprint 3rd and 4th.
Verizons has without a doubt the most reliable and vast coverage in the state. Tmobile is really good as well in both signal coverage and reliability, but not quite as good as Verizon. Cingular has good coverage but apparently cannot handle the capacity as the calls drop constantly. Sprint doesn't have the coverage area, but does do ok with reliability.
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the lg 325 was one of a few.
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=553 »
the samsung a920 doesnt support obex. theres a few of them that dont have obex on sprints network.
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=553 »
the samsung a920 doesnt support obex. theres a few of them that dont have obex on sprints network.
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Not sure what point your trying to prove...If the phone itself doesn't have it from the factory in the original design the carrier bought I wouldn't expect the carrier to ADD IT. I'm talking about it being part of the phone design and manufacturing from the getgo and Verizon specifically DISABLING IT.
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im not trying to prove anything just sayin not all of sprints phones have obex too.
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Ok...but if they don't have OBEX from the factory how is that relevant to the conversation about VZW disabling features/functions that came with the phone from the factory?
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Not sure what point your trying to prove...If the phone itself doesn't have it from the factory in the original design the carrier bought I wouldn't expect the carrier to ADD IT. I'm talking about it being part of the phone design and manufacturing from the getgo and Verizon specifically DISABLING IT.
I agree. It's the OEM features that should not be tampered with by the retailer.
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/action/ »
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I haven't heard of any...
Portland Oregon. Verizon is best here, Tmobile is probably 2nd, Cingular and Sprint 3rd and 4th.
Verizons has without a doubt the most reliable and vast coverage in the state. Sprint doesn't have the coverage area, but does do ok with reliability.
Again... I'm not sure where you are getting your info on coverage from. Sprint in Oregon is wonderful, especially in the PDX area. And if you do get into the boonies, you still have roaming coverage. I still have not found a place in Oregon I can't make and sustain a call. I'll say it again... try Sprint.
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I might just do that!
As for where I'm getting the info from; just experience.
As for where I'm getting the info from; just experience.
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stop crying like a little baby, man up and port 🙄 geez some peoples kids 🙄
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New_2_T-Mobile said:
stop crying like a little baby, man up and port 🙄 geez some peoples kids 🙄
I did try to port and my Verizon CDMA phone is so locked up that no other carrier can activate it.
Just makes me more angry.
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wnrussell said:New_2_T-Mobile said:
stop crying like a little baby, man up and port 🙄 geez some peoples kids 🙄
I did try to port and my Verizon CDMA phone is so locked up that no other carrier can activate it.
Just makes me more angry.
NO CRAP IT IS, did you not know this? Port to another carrier you can't take a crippled locked down verizon phone to another carrier.
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Phone number portability was mandated to make it easier to switch between carriers. What good is it if, you can take your number with you, if you can't move your phone?
A Canadian friend of mine used to roam the USA with a Bell Mobility E815, but when he wanted to move his phone to Verizon he was not allowed to.
True portability would mean having the ability to purchase an unbranded phone with the features you want and then move it to the carrier of your choice, like you can do in most other parts of the world.
A Canadian friend of mine used to roam the USA with a Bell Mobility E815, but when he wanted to move his phone to Verizon he was not allowed to.
True portability would mean having the ability to purchase an unbranded phone with the features you want and then move it to the carrier of your choice, like you can do in most other parts of the world.
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wnrussell said:
True portability would mean having the ability to purchase an unbranded phone with the features you want and then move it to the carrier of your choice, like you can do in most other parts of the world.
I agree with you but what the hell does that mean, NOTHING the rules are not like that here, so what can we do NOTHING, i guess u can cry about it all day on this damn forum but how does that make you feel better? PORT what is so complicated.
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Wow, you really are stupid.
"I agree with you but what the hell does that mean, NOTHING the rules are not like that here, so what can we do NOTHING"
Um, that's why we submit complaints to sites that VZW monitors in addition to complaining directly to VZW, so that eventually, with enough backlash (no thanks to morons such as yourself) this would change.
Idiot
"I agree with you but what the hell does that mean, NOTHING the rules are not like that here, so what can we do NOTHING"
Um, that's why we submit complaints to sites that VZW monitors in addition to complaining directly to VZW, so that eventually, with enough backlash (no thanks to morons such as yourself) this would change.
Idiot
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You are the only idiot here guy crying all day about obex and crap, here is a thought lets say verizon reads this forum you think they got it now, duh with girls like you crying every single day that is all they read, im pretty sure they understand that you're dissatisfied. Now stop being a bitch if you can
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yeah find another carrier that lets you use and guarentees service on another companies handset. i dont even work for verizon i work for a competitor and i can say when you find a new carrier go to it with a open mind because people that had problems with other carriers are ten times more likely to be a problem to a salesman
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agreed. I hate when I get a port in when people are like (insert carrier) would not give me a phone when I lost mine and I was a customer for 3 years! Then they decline insurance even after I explain Verizon does not give freebies out if your phone is lost either.
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yes and if nitwits like this guy new_2_tmobile had their way (no one complained about the business practices of their beloved company VZW, and/or other carriers) we'd be even worse off than we already are by comparison.
It's amazing to me how few people that respond to these types of threads actually have the ability to use the grey matter in their head.
...idiots
It's amazing to me how few people that respond to these types of threads actually have the ability to use the grey matter in their head.
...idiots
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wnrussell said:
Phone number portability was mandated to make it easier to switch between carriers. What good is it if, you can take your number with you, if you can't move your phone?
A Canadian friend of mine used to roam the USA with a Bell Mobility E815, but when he wanted to move his phone to Verizon he was not allowed to.
True portability would mean having the ability to purchase an unbranded phone with the features you want and then move it to the carrier of your choice, like you can do in most other parts of the world.
"True portability" here is simply your personal opinion. Portability is the ability to keep your PHONE #, nothing else. Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, US Cellular etc use CDMA tech...
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or better yet, have an XM ready head unit and want to be able to use that headunit for Sirius and require the manufacture to make this work for free...after all, why should you have to pay for a feature of this radio to work? That is an outrage.
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crazyeaglefan236 said:
or better yet, have an XM ready head unit and want to be able to use that headunit for Sirius and require the manufacture to make this work for free...after all, why should you have to pay for a feature of this radio to work? That is an outrage.
I agree it is an OUTRAGE!!
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wnrussell said:crazyeaglefan236 said:
or better yet, have an XM ready head unit and want to be able to use that headunit for Sirius and require the manufacture to make this work for free...after all, why should you have to pay for a feature of this radio to work? That is an outrage.
I agree it is an OUTRAGE!!
Great, push your bill and watch the price of equipment go thru the roof. Thanks, brilliant strategy.
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You have that ability now, just buy a GSM handset. If you like a CDMA handset you know it won't work that way. No one put a gun to your head and forced you into a CDMA phone.
Take some responsibility for your actions instead of trying to change the industry. You could choose what you desire but you didn't.
Take some responsibility for your actions instead of trying to change the industry. You could choose what you desire but you didn't.
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texaswireless said:
Take some responsibility for your actions instead of trying to change the industry. You could choose what you desire but you didn't.
How about doing BOTH? Take some responsibility AND try to change the industry?
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Because the vast majority of customers CHOOSE that the actions of Verizon are not as important against the lower cost of service. You refuse to acknowledge that most of the changes YOU desire will raise the price of service for everyone (most of whom are fine with the way things are now). YOU also have the choice to switch to Cingular (or T-Mobile) to get what you want without trying to impose sanctions that raise prices for everyone.
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So I suppose that if you wanted to port a Cingular phone and come to Verizon Wireless you would be able to keep your phone?
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crazyeaglefan236 said:
So I suppose that if you wanted to port a Cingular phone and come to Verizon Wireless you would be able to keep your phone?
You're CrazyEagleFan! Just look here:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/ConsumersUnionLetter.pdf »
Basically, you know what I am trying to say here... Phone locking has gotten beyond control !!
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wnrussell said:crazyeaglefan236 said:
So I suppose that if you wanted to port a Cingular phone and come to Verizon Wireless you would be able to keep your phone?
You're CrazyEagleFan! Just look here:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/ConsumersUnionLetter.pdf »
Basically, you know what I am trying to say here... Phone locking has gotten beyond control !!
Two pieces of equipment with different technologies in them is NOT locking. Granted, a T-Mob phone to Cingular switch is a valid argument as both are GSM. CDMA and GSM are as incompatible as FM and XM. What part of that don't you understand? They physically DON'T have the capability to be interchanged. UNLESS you b...
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DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Your not porting your phone but your phone number.... 🙄
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fooldmeonceagin said:
Your not porting your phone but your phone number.
I know that. And you know that porting your number to another carrier means throwing your existing phone in the garbage because it will not work with whatever carrier you port over to.
Read this link, a great letter to the FCC:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/ConsumersUnionLetter.pdf »
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I know that. And you know that porting your number to another carrier means throwing your existing phone in the garbage because it will not work with whatever carrier you port over to.
Read this link, a great letter to the FCC:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/ConsumersUnionLetter. ... »
Ummm, not exactly true. If you're porting from T-Mo to Cingular, as long as you've been active for at least 90 days you can request a sim unlock code to use the phone with Cingular. You can even request an unlock code after you've cancelled, if you request it within 90 days of cancelling. I'm not sure what Cingular's policy on it is, but I can't imagine it's too different. If you buy your phone unlock...
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Oh, and I forgot to add that the author of the letter fails to mention the conditions that prevented him from being able to use the GSM handset with another carrier. It sounds odd to me.
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So are you saying you would like Verizon to switch to GSM? Not going to happen.
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craptacularwireless said:
So are you saying you would like Verizon to switch to GSM? Not going to happen.
NO. I'd like to buy an unbranded CDMA 850 / CDMA 1900 phone and then move it around to any compatible network without having to buy a new phone.
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Wow.. I have a rebuttal for EVERYTHING that I've read on your thread. I'm going to try to take care of this without insulting your intelligence as it makes sense to do so.
The processes you describe so eloquently, simply don't exist. You must remember that when there are phones with multiple features that VZW locked there IS a reason for it. It's not just to charge extra although they ARE a business and as such are absolutely interested in the bottom line and in being so interested are intent on listening to requests from customer's who generate real, dependable revenue. So that being said, if Microsoft or the Federal Government ask them to limit things that cause their sensitive information to become leaked then VZW is going to do it...
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The processes you describe so eloquently, simply don't exist. You must remember that when there are phones with multiple features that VZW locked there IS a reason for it. It's not just to charge extra although they ARE a business and as such are absolutely interested in the bottom line and in being so interested are intent on listening to requests from customer's who generate real, dependable revenue. So that being said, if Microsoft or the Federal Government ask them to limit things that cause their sensitive information to become leaked then VZW is going to do it...
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A while back I bought a V710 and found it crippled. As soon as my contract time was up, I left them for Tmobile. I for one voted with my dollars. Both of my daughters and their husbands also left Verizon for Tmobile and Cingular. We also moved my son (who still lives at home) from Verizon to Tmobile. When I left I also made sure to tell the rep why I was leaving. (He also gave me the security bull excuse.) This is the ONLY way Verizon will get the message. Otherwise they will continue to nickle and dime their customers to death. So quit bitching about it, and vote with your bucks.
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I know it but you get these silly little kids in here crying everyday like they are handcuffed to verizon or something, i don't get it port your dumb ass to T-Mobile or cingular and stop your damn crying!
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ronm999 said:
A while back I bought a V710 and found it crippled. As soon as my contract time was up, I left them for Tmobile. I for one voted with my dollars. Both of my daughters and their husbands also left Verizon for Tmobile and Cingular. We also moved my son (who still lives at home) from Verizon to Tmobile. When I left I also made sure to tell the rep why I was leaving. (He also gave me the security bull excuse.) This is the ONLY way Verizon will get the message. Otherwise they will continue to nickle and dime their customers to death. So quit bitching about it, and vote with your bucks.
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Certainly one or two or ten thousand customers want OBEX transfers and to have all of the features that you've described fully unlocked. I don't for a second doubt that that number is closer to a hundred thousand nationwide.. ok.. five hundred forty eight thousand customers nationwide DEMAND the same things that you do. Alright.. So.. less than one percent of their customer base feels the same as you. Their Churn rate (the amount of customers who disconnect service) is 1.8% consistantly. BUT they add around 2 or 3 million customers per quarter. Customer's port in at a rate of 5 (or more) to 1 every single quarter.
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28.5 mill what? phones or headsets? or combined? If it's phones I'd be interested in seeing how many of those consumers are actually using bluetooth. While they are getting cheaper, the cost of bluetooth headsets has not hit the sweet spot yet for consumers to jump on. And even out of those, most do not care about verizon's restrictions.
Verizon is not ignoring those numbers. The majority of verizon's handsets have bluetooth, though only with a headset profile. I can really only see it hurting them if they did not offer any at all. While even as an employee, I don't like GIN or it's prices, the revenue it creates for vzw has to be substantial. I am surprised other companies have not adopted similar models.
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Verizon is not ignoring those numbers. The majority of verizon's handsets have bluetooth, though only with a headset profile. I can really only see it hurting them if they did not offer any at all. While even as an employee, I don't like GIN or it's prices, the revenue it creates for vzw has to be substantial. I am surprised other companies have not adopted similar models.
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turbodeuce said:
28.5 mill what? phones or headsets? or combined? If it's phones I'd be interested in seeing how many of those consumers are actually using bluetooth.
Fair enough. Read this:
http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Connect/ »
I'm not talking about wireless headsets at all. They're talking about the millions of OTHER devices that are shipping, that can be interoperable with cell phones.
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I think its a great idea having the ability to transfer files from your PDA or Smarthphone via BT, makes it quicker than email, especially if you are across the room from someone and want to transfer it, then you can sync it up on your computer.
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SO CHOOSE ANOTHER CARRIER.
You call Verizon's actions Communist yet YOU want to impose YOUR will on the majority for YOUR (and the minorities) benefit.
That is a key basis for socialism and communism.
You call Verizon's actions Communist yet YOU want to impose YOUR will on the majority for YOUR (and the minorities) benefit.
That is a key basis for socialism and communism.
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Once again, a brain dead response.
"So that being said, if Microsoft or the Federal Government ask them to limit things that cause their sensitive information to become leaked then VZW is going to do it"
I have heard this argument before. If Uncle Sam or Bill demand something like this to use them, they should provide it for them and not lock all their customers into it...The contracts with these entities are certainly large enough to warrant special treatment.
Besides, I love the security argument here. If someone is capable of hacking into the system via wireless what makes anyone think the signal between the tower and the phone can't be hacked? Or the signal between the aircard in a laptop and the tower can't be hacked? It's an a...
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"So that being said, if Microsoft or the Federal Government ask them to limit things that cause their sensitive information to become leaked then VZW is going to do it"
I have heard this argument before. If Uncle Sam or Bill demand something like this to use them, they should provide it for them and not lock all their customers into it...The contracts with these entities are certainly large enough to warrant special treatment.
Besides, I love the security argument here. If someone is capable of hacking into the system via wireless what makes anyone think the signal between the tower and the phone can't be hacked? Or the signal between the aircard in a laptop and the tower can't be hacked? It's an a...
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While the security arguement is kinda lame, there is a difference between hacking into verizon's network and someone with an open bluetooth connection on their phone...
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And you think the capabilities of someone that could hack the bluetooth connection would absolutely not be capable of hacking the wireless signal between the phone and the tower?
That's naive. All wireless connections are inherently not secure.
That's naive. All wireless connections are inherently not secure.
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Well put! Simple as that. Verizon has the best coverage at the moment, and they are leveraging that to make every sheckal they can. In the long run, it will come back to haunt them as the other carriers improve their coverage and people remember being screwed in the past. Mamagement doesn't care because their bonus' are based on this quarter's profits, not what happens 2 or 3 years in the future. Its bad business, but it's lining their pockets right now.
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Odd..if they are the best, how come Bellevue, Lynwood, and hell huge areas in WA have better coverage with Cingular? by far??
They aren't the best, but they are among the best. Just take a closer look at the maps. (Compare Home Coverage)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorCo ... »
They aren't the best, but they are among the best. Just take a closer look at the maps. (Compare Home Coverage)
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorCo ... »
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It all depends on whare you are at. I know in Montana Cingular, t-mobile, and sprint say they have great coverage on their maps, but in reality almost everyone that moves up here end up changing and are mad because the maps are decieving. Up here the coverage with t-mobile, sprint, and cingular only covers major cities and highways. You can't even get a local number with them. I have had five customers get letters in the mail from Cingular telling them they have to swich from them because they were costing them too much money. The only two carriers that really work up here are Alltel and Verizon.
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Heather said:
It all depends on whare you are at. I know in Montana Cingular, t-mobile, and sprint say they have great coverage on their maps, but in reality almost everyone that moves up here end up changing and are mad because the maps are decieving. Up here the coverage with t-mobile, sprint, and cingular only covers major cities and highways. You can't even get a local number with them. I have had five customers get letters in the mail from Cingular telling them they have to swich from them because they were costing them too much money. The only two carriers that really work up here are Alltel and Verizon.
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The long term effect is pretty much what I'm talking about too...The only way it won't come back to haunt them is if (when?) it catches on with Cingular, Sprint, Tmobile etc and they all start doing it. That's why I'm hoping voicing complaints like this (and the thousands upon thousands of others out there bitching at them for it) will keep the competition from following suit and hopefully get Verizon to stop doing this in the future. In my opinion it's already working as every so often there is a Verizon branded phone that supports bluetooth OBEX...Blackberry is the first VZW supported tethering I know, just too bad they charge for it, but at least now they are letting people do it and supporting it...A long way to go, but hopefully they wi...
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Something tells me, whether you like it or not... Verizon will not be going down, you must not know much about their numbers and while you, yourself are wanting something you cannot get at this time, does by no means insinuate the company will fall......
The analog towers are going away but that is due to analog in the entire country will be going away which is more than a cell phone.. So please everyone who is so "unhappy" stop complaining, go try the other carrier, it is your right..If a large corporation is going to change things they will based on what is best, which is no different then where you probably work!
The analog towers are going away but that is due to analog in the entire country will be going away which is more than a cell phone.. So please everyone who is so "unhappy" stop complaining, go try the other carrier, it is your right..If a large corporation is going to change things they will based on what is best, which is no different then where you probably work!
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Yellowrose said:
So please everyone who is so "unhappy" stop complaining, go try the other carrier, it is your right..
In many markets Verizon has a monopoly, like a public utility, and consumers can't do it.
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sidallen said:
name one market that Verizon is the only carrier.
Some parts of Vermont. Don't forget about data.
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Verizon is not the only carrier is "some parts of Vermont", They just have better coverage. Thats not a monopoly.
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wnrussell said:sidallen said:
name one market that Verizon is the only carrier.
Some parts of Vermont. Don't forget about data.
Because the other carriers either do not have as good a coverage in Vermont or have not implemented data access on their network does not constitute a monopoly. It means they need to get off their ass and install it or improve their coverage. Verizon does not prevent them from having voice or data access, nor does Verizon own all the licenses for the area, that would be a monopoly. Look up the word first. The other companies have the ability but obviously aren't doing anything about it in that market. That's their own fault. There are GS...
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I would not call having a "cell site" a monopoly, there is more than 1 carrier one can chose from.. just because one company has a cell site located in "a spot" would not constitue a monopoly.. Cell site locations, etc have to be approved by the FCC ... Paid for, etc. There is a reason cell sites are governed by the FCC, do not believe their reason would have to do with prefering one company vs another but there is way much more that plays into the positioning of a cell site..
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Yellowrose said:
I would not call having a "cell site" a monopoly, there is more than 1 carrier one can chose from.. just because one company has a cell site located in "a spot" would not constitue a monopoly.. Cell site locations, etc have to be approved by the FCC ... Paid for, etc. There is a reason cell sites are governed by the FCC, do not believe their reason would have to do with prefering one company vs another but there is way much more that plays into the positioning of a cell site..
Like the power and water companies?
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Actually that's impossible. When the FCC first sold licences for Cellular Service, there was two companies in every market. Verizon wouldn't have been able to buy out the other carrier due to rules that would prevent them from doing so.
There's no monopoly in cellular.
There's no monopoly in cellular.
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sangyup81 said:
Actually that's impossible. When the FCC first sold licences for Cellular Service, there was two companies in every market. Verizon wouldn't have been able to buy out the other carrier due to rules that would prevent them from doing so.
Well, they didn't!
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wnrussell said:sangyup81 said:
Actually that's impossible. When the FCC first sold licences for Cellular Service, there was two companies in every market. Verizon wouldn't have been able to buy out the other carrier due to rules that would prevent them from doing so.
Well, they didn't!
Woohoo! Ignorance is bliss. Wish I could live in a fantasty world too. Wheeeeeeeeee! 🤣
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and to make matters worse VZW has a cap on their unlimited Broadband which u pay $60 a month or $45 for pda... ONLY 5 GB a month if you go over it they terminate you... read the fine print... NO other carrier does that!
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tri-mode-only said:
and to make matters worse VZW has a cap on their unlimited Broadband which u pay $60 a month or $45 for pda... ONLY 5 GB a month if you go over it they terminate you... read the fine print... NO other carrier does that!
You might want to do a little bit of research.. First of unlimited Broadband is $59.99/month if using a wireless card.. If you are adding unlimited data to a calling plan, it is $44.99/month.. and yes if you use the service "illegally" and get caught you will be terminated.
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Tell me about it...
I'm absolutely convinced that the majority of the people in this thread know about as much about the technologies being discussed as a turnip knows about astro-physics.
For the longest time I was thinking these guys were geeks, knew the technologies etc...Ehh, WRONG. These idiots think Bluetooth requires some sort of carrier service to work!
My god, this forum is full of END USERS trying to act like they know what the hell they are talking about!
Wow...
I'm absolutely convinced that the majority of the people in this thread know about as much about the technologies being discussed as a turnip knows about astro-physics.
For the longest time I was thinking these guys were geeks, knew the technologies etc...Ehh, WRONG. These idiots think Bluetooth requires some sort of carrier service to work!
My god, this forum is full of END USERS trying to act like they know what the hell they are talking about!
Wow...
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Come on guys, lets move on, all that can be said, has. This is getting redicilous
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I must concur...But I also like that this complaint has remained at the top of the Verizon forum on Phonescoop for what, almost a week now? 😁
Tonight it finally occured to me that those bitching at me for having the nerve to bitch about something with VZW actually have zero understanding of the technology, so I'm pretty close to done.
Tonight it finally occured to me that those bitching at me for having the nerve to bitch about something with VZW actually have zero understanding of the technology, so I'm pretty close to done.
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Would you be happy if they allowed the BT 'tether' option? Is that truely your only bitch here? You're still connecting to the network whether you do it with a cable or BT to your computer. So I don't understand it eh?
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I know you don't get it, hence I've given up on trying to explain it to you...
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since you want more freedom and flexibility w/ ur phones, its time to switch to another carrier that can satisfy that need,
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renardlee said:
since you want more freedom and flexibility w/ ur phones, its time to switch to another carrier that can satisfy that need,
Why should you have to switch carriers? Doesn't a Bell Mobility E815 for example, work on the VZ carrier network?
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ok this is from your original post:
In your last post:
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ok this is from your original post:
sdgmcdon said:
lets see, yea $15/month for it! ... What? They are already paying $45/month for unlimited data? Well, if they want to use that data on a computer they will need to pay even more for it!...What do you say, none of the other wireless companies charge for tethering if the phone natively supports it?
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$40 is cheaper than Verizons $45 + $15
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turbodeuce said:
What features do they specifically disable?
The biggest disabled feature is the ability to transfer pictures, video, etc from phone to phone or from phone to PC. You also can't make your own mp3 ringtones on most phones. Bitpim will let you around that, though (in most cases).
Those are the only ones that I know of. Am I missing any? I'm a bit hungover from monday night football last night 😎
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rwilliams said:turbodeuce said:
What features do they specifically disable?
The biggest disabled feature is the ability to transfer pictures, video, etc from phone to phone or from phone to PC. You also can't make your own mp3 ringtones on most phones. Bitpim will let you around that, though (in most cases).
Those are the only ones that I know of. Am I missing any? I'm a bit hungover from monday night football last night 😎
Contact transfer from phone to car and from PC to phone.
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I see that sdgmcdon is all out of arguements on this one. Very well put and it amazes me that this is the only post on here that he hasn't replied to...Guess you did just what he asked of you...(prove me wrong...)
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Verizon Direct and Indirect Sales associates: please ask every customer who comes into your store today if they know what Bluetooth is. Then ask them if they know what Bluetooth can do. I guarantee that the number of people who know what Bluetooth is will be small. And even smaller still will be the number of people who know what the full capabilities of BlueTooth are.
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oh yeah, 99% of the time when I am going over the different features of phones customers have no clue what bluetooth is.
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hey smart guy! I didn't say it makes it right, i think it is bs the criple it, but generally speaking most customers do not even know what bluetooth is! does that make it right? no, so don't give me you make me sick crap 🙄
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Then what exactly was the point of saying that most customers dont even know it's there in opposition to my post? The only thing I can think of is you were defending VZW for doing it; thus the you make me sick statement. If there was another intention to that post that I am not aware of please let me know.
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well lets see, hmmmm...., of that's right i wasn't replying to your post but to craptacularwireless's post. He made a statement about 99% of most customer's not knowing what bluetooth is, and I agree, I explain it ten times a day to people, that was the only point of the post. Now for the 1% that do know what it is, like me and you, well we get screwed because we know what we are missing.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I never said it did make it right! it is BS! Verizon should not criple the bluetooth because we all just figure out workarounds anyway so all they are accomplishing is pissing people off! Man never had to argue so much with someone I agreed with before 🤣 My post about 99% of customers not knowing what bluetooth was just a figuere, had no other point or hidden meaning to it. If there was a point and that is what you would desire try this, 99% of cusotmers do not now what bluetoth is, maybe when more awarness is out there (which should be soon counting the number of BT capable phones now offered) maybe Verizon will pull their heads out of their ass and fix the bluetooth issues they are creating as a larg...
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why don't you reply to this post:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
or are you ignoring me cause I proved you wrong?
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
or are you ignoring me cause I proved you wrong?
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craptacularwireless said:
Verizon Direct and Indirect Sales associates: please ask every customer who comes into your store today if they know what Bluetooth is. Then ask them if they know what Bluetooth can do. I guarantee that the number of people who know what Bluetooth is will be small. And even smaller still will be the number of people who know what the full capabilities of BlueTooth are.
who gives a fu(k if a bunch of tards don't know what it is, that doesn't mean sh*t! The point is verizon jacks over the phone
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So that gives VZW an open invitation to screw people over on it huh?
You know if all companies worked on that premise the world would be a much different place, and not for the better.
Get a clue
You know if all companies worked on that premise the world would be a much different place, and not for the better.
Get a clue
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sdgmcdon, just stop, don't get me wrong, what you are saying is completely right and the people that are responding with their analogies are complete morons, you have to remember, they wouldn't know how to poor piss out of a boot with the directions on the heel. Its an old saying basically saying "wow, how can you just argue something that has been factually proven."
I just feel like you are wasting your breath, and its unfortunate too because the one person with the voice of reason behind them, is the one getting ripped.
I just feel like you are wasting your breath, and its unfortunate too because the one person with the voice of reason behind them, is the one getting ripped.
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like I've said previously, if it keeps the complaint at the top of the VZW forum here, that's not exactly a bad thing :-) - I will eventually stop responding, but I am only responding to posts, not posting new ones.
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why don't you reply to this post:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
or are you ignoring me cause I proved you wrong???
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
or are you ignoring me cause I proved you wrong???
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Yea actually that one made you look retarded. In my opinion, but mine doesn't matter all that much.
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I actually think that is one of the most common questions we have here. All of our phones have a little card under them that lists the feature and I would say that at least three quarters or more of the people ask what it is/what it does and after we tell them, the majority ask why anyone would need it!
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aavera said:
...I would say that at least three quarters or more of the people ask what [Bluetooth] is/what it does and after we tell them, the majority ask why anyone would need it!
Unless they are one of the 28 million people who already have another BT device to pair with, or intend to get one.
That's the kicker. "My next car or computer will be Bluetooth. What Bluetooth cell phones do you have today?"
When they get the next BT device and they are locked into a 2 year contract... you know the rest of that story.
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Most of my customers know what Bluetooth is, but when someone doesn't and I tell them what it's capable of most of them say "wow".
This may be an example of the types of people each provider is attracting with phone features.
This may be an example of the types of people each provider is attracting with phone features.
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ralph_on_me said:
Most of my customers know what Bluetooth is, but when someone doesn't and I tell them what it's capable of most of them say "wow".
Check this out:
http://www.garmin.com/products/nuvi360/ »
Navigator. Translator. Entertainer. Tour Guide. Garmin’s nüvi™ 360 is one versatile little GPS. This pocket-sized Personal Travel Assistant now comes with hands-free Bluetooth® wireless technology in addition to the popular features offered in the nüvi 350 — making it the go-anywhere travel companion.
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did any of you notice how many people are responding to this (and originally posting it) at like 2 am? holy crap. is life that boring. i mean i come on here during work but 2 am? thats a little crazy 😳
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I post that late when Im drunk and bored, cant always go tou partying during the week, and most everybody I know is asleep at that time, so I come here to shoot the sh*t
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wfine81 said:
I post that late when Im drunk and bored, cant always go tou partying during the week, and most everybody I know is asleep at that time, so I come here to shoot the sh*t
🤣 Good one wine! Plus not to mention, some work til midnight! Everyone in the world don't necessarily have 8-5 jobs, Mon thru Fri!
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Ok, you want a proof, let's see. It's been a long time since I took a math class.
First lets establish some baseline values here:
Verizon = V
Sprint = S
Bluetooth=bt
VZW Coverage = VsubC
VsubC >Tmobile coverage
VsubC >Cingular coverage
VsubC >Sprint coverage
Vd= unlimited data on a pda =$45
Vt= tethering on a pda =$15
Vd+Vt=$60
Since the value of Sprint's data services were not listed here, we will assume, for asshattery purposes, that Sd + St =$0
So Vd+Vt > Sd+St
So clearly, the value of Vd+Vt is greater than Sprint... ;-)
Now if we extrapolate further, we can see that VsubC + Vd+Vt > SsubC + Sd + St
So what's the problem?
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First lets establish some baseline values here:
Verizon = V
Sprint = S
Bluetooth=bt
VZW Coverage = VsubC
VsubC >Tmobile coverage
VsubC >Cingular coverage
VsubC >Sprint coverage
Vd= unlimited data on a pda =$45
Vt= tethering on a pda =$15
Vd+Vt=$60
Since the value of Sprint's data services were not listed here, we will assume, for asshattery purposes, that Sd + St =$0
So Vd+Vt > Sd+St
So clearly, the value of Vd+Vt is greater than Sprint... ;-)
Now if we extrapolate further, we can see that VsubC + Vd+Vt > SsubC + Sd + St
So what's the problem?
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F'(Vd^3+Vt^2)^2 =
2(Vd^3+Vt^2)(3Vd^2+2Vt) (when simplified)
F'(X) = you have way too much time on your hands!
2(Vd^3+Vt^2)(3Vd^2+2Vt) (when simplified)
F'(X) = you have way too much time on your hands!
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Actually Cingular does cripple its Blackberry in a backhanded sort of way. Even if you can manage to use your Cingular Blackberry as a modem without signing up for a Tethering plan (which run about $79.99/mo), Cingular reserves the right to go back and charge you for all the data you used while the BB was used as a modem if you had no tethering plan.
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The more revenue VZW makes, the more they can invest in the network. i.e. expand coverage, prevent capacity issues. If your ever in an emergency in Bucksnort, TN.. do you want to call 911 or do you want to transfer files via bluetooth?
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TenuredVZWrep said:
The more revenue VZW makes, the more they can invest in the network. i.e. expand coverage, prevent capacity issues. If your ever in an emergency in Bucksnort, TN.. do you want to call 911 or do you want to transfer files via bluetooth?
I would like to have BOTH. I would like to transfer my contacts to my car via Bluetooth so I can have a safe hands free car phone.
That way I will have less chance of needing to call 911 in Bucksnort, TN because I had an accident caused by using my cell phone while driving.
Why don't they just add OBEX to Backup Assistant and get it over with?
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You totally set yourself up for that response lol. I mean you know people are going to say both, though I hope I never find myself Bucksnort, TN, or Tennessee in general. As the saying goes, "I'd rather be a fence post in Texas, then the King of Tennessee."
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Hmmm...
I have been to Texas.. wasnt very impressive.
Tennessee was MUCH nicer.
I have been to Texas.. wasnt very impressive.
Tennessee was MUCH nicer.
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Yea I know, I still have my testicles, but thank you for spying on me 😉
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Money Hungry Oil Corps? or The Politcians that support them? Either way Im okay with both lol.
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HAHA someone voted for Kerry..."I voted for the 87million before I voted against it..."
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I laugh everyday, on the way home i will see at leaste one person that still has a Kerry bumper sticker. Why do people leave those on their cars? I never understood that.
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Dude, do you not realize how many people are still driving around with that W04 sticker on there car? I almost never see the Kerry sticker anymore but everybody around here still has the W one.
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i don't think that is as bad, he won. But who wants a loser on their bumper sticker 🤣
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No, I voted against Bush, so yes, I guess becasue there was nobody else to pick from
I had to pick the lesser of the 2 evils 😢
I had to pick the lesser of the 2 evils 😢
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Yeah, Someone who voted for the war to save his political career is the lesser of two evils.
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Ok, and Bush is better? Somebody who got us into a war for personal revenge?
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Actually the Senate Voted for War 77 to 23, after the House voted for War. There were many provisions of the Iraq War, around 12. And people seem to forget the UN resolution that Sadaam didn't abide by.
OH YEAH...There is the fact that Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, the same group that gets the same CIA briefing that the President gets, but if Kerry would have attended the meetings that he missed over 60% of the time, then maybe he wouldn't have been "MISLED" into war.
out of those 77 senators were: John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,etc...all the big names of the senate. Ted Kennedy voted against it of course, but he doesn't have much room to speak since he left a girl to drown in a car th...
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OH YEAH...There is the fact that Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, the same group that gets the same CIA briefing that the President gets, but if Kerry would have attended the meetings that he missed over 60% of the time, then maybe he wouldn't have been "MISLED" into war.
out of those 77 senators were: John Kerry, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,etc...all the big names of the senate. Ted Kennedy voted against it of course, but he doesn't have much room to speak since he left a girl to drown in a car th...
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Is this thread by sdgmcdon going through something like a filibuster? The use of obstructionist tactics, especially prolonged speechmaking, for the purpose of delaying legislative action.
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Oh and to add to that I guess here is a list of the following Queers if we are going to go by who is born of from Texas is either a steer or a queer:
Steve Martin
Dwight D. Eisenhower (President)
Admiral Chester Nimitz (Commander of the Pacific Fleet WWII)
Vince Young
Howard Hughes
The guys that made Dell
The guys that made Texas Instruments
The Dallas Cowboys
The Maveric, Spurs, and Rockets
Dan Rather
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and the list goes on. Remember, some slightly famous people from Tennessee came down to Texas to help them fight for Independence, mainly because they saw that Tennessee was dead in the water and Texas was the place to be.
try and match this statement..."I wasn't born here but I got here as quick as I could"
but Ya...
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Steve Martin
Dwight D. Eisenhower (President)
Admiral Chester Nimitz (Commander of the Pacific Fleet WWII)
Vince Young
Howard Hughes
The guys that made Dell
The guys that made Texas Instruments
The Dallas Cowboys
The Maveric, Spurs, and Rockets
Dan Rather
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and the list goes on. Remember, some slightly famous people from Tennessee came down to Texas to help them fight for Independence, mainly because they saw that Tennessee was dead in the water and Texas was the place to be.
try and match this statement..."I wasn't born here but I got here as quick as I could"
but Ya...
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? I just liked the movie, Not sure where the rant came from, really could care less about your sexual preferences. You forgot Bush on there, is he not from Texas? or are you not claiming him 🤣
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I was just going on what Steve said...No its just that it was obvious so that he is from Texas.
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yeahright said:
works for me, don't think wfine will be liking that to much though 🤣
I could care less, they are crooked as hell and only out for their own gain
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Oh yeah, definatly, I wasnt picking on one party, I personally agree A LOT more with the GOP then the Dems, Im just personally sick of the past 6 years so I really jsut want somebody differnt in office, and unfortunatly we have to pick from Dumb or Dumber, I would cast my vote for an Average Joe that went up there and said "hey, im not affiliated with any party, im just going to do the best job I can and not worry about all the BS"
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yeah can't argue with that! I am just sick of the political ads bashing everyone 🙄
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Well I am glad you think that way, keeps people we don't want here, out. Some people can't handle Texas.
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Dude, you really got it bad! Drama, Drama, Drama...... 🤤 😢 😲 😳 🤨 😁 ☹️ 🤭 😎 🤣 😡 😛 👿 😈 🙄 😉
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blah blah, boy is this whinning thread getting old, most people could care less about the UI in fact only 5 percent of Customers care about the UI, i know i talk to customers all day. point given , most people want their phones to keep in contact with loved ones, and they really dont care about the UI, want something done about the UI, write to the Manufacturer, They Create the UI not verizon, time to put this boring story to end, amen to that
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