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Sgt_Joker

Jul 6, 2006, 6:48 PM
Well we all know verizon has the better network, customer care, and now PHONES!!!! 😳

I'm so glad I stuck it out with verizon they really are the power house of the cell phone industry.
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Anxiovert

Jul 6, 2006, 7:17 PM
Did Vzw unlock bluetooth on their phones?
Can you use your phones overseas?
Do you have high speed everywhere?
Did Vzw drop the standard UI on their phones?
Can you talk and use data at the same time on your phones?
Do your phones have SIM cards now?

Shoe! I can go on and on. Don't come to conclusions too soon. Your phones are decent, not better.
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ArmySF

Jul 6, 2006, 7:35 PM
LOL I don't think joker was ready for that Anx
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kimlee_star

Jul 6, 2006, 7:43 PM
Anxiovert said:
Did Vzw unlock bluetooth on their phones?
Can you use your phones overseas?
Do you have high speed everywhere?
Did Vzw drop the standard UI on their phones?
Can you talk and use data at the same time on your phones?
Do your phones have SIM cards now?

Shoe! I can go on and on. Don't come to conclusions too soon. Your phones are decent, not better.


90% of customers don't ask me if the phone has the bluetooth lock. they just wnt to use it for call.

you can use the phone overseas, if you buy a phone that is global...which does have a sim card.

cingular doesn't have high speed everywhere either.

most of my customer that want to upgrade don't ask me..hey did you guys dropped the ...
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Anxiovert

Jul 6, 2006, 8:07 PM
kimlee_star said:
90% of customers don't ask me if the phone has the bluetooth lock. they just wnt to use it for call.

you can use the phone overseas, if you buy a phone that is global...which does have a sim card.

cingular doesn't have high speed everywhere either.

most of my customer that want to upgrade don't ask me..hey did you guys dropped the iu interface?...

talk and use data at the same time?...haven't heard that ws priority either on the consumers.

yes..the global phones have sim card..if they want sim cards..there are phones that have it..however, most consumers don't care about it.


That's because most tech savvy people own GSM phones.
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ArmySF

Jul 6, 2006, 8:51 PM
Get him Anx 🤣
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VZW62

Jul 6, 2006, 9:26 PM
What good are your amazing cellphones when the cingular network sucks and you can't make a call when you need to. All you cingular people keep talking about wait and see what is coming.....what's coming is a train and it's called verizon and it just ran you over!
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matrix2004

Jul 6, 2006, 10:12 PM
WORD!
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simplymarcus

Jul 7, 2006, 8:32 AM
Verizon's new phones are the best they have ever done. The truth is cingular has got a lot of new phones coming. Just waiting on orders to be filled Motorola and LG are late. Once they fill the orders within the next two weeks. A new LG UMTS/HSPDA phone a new V3 a surprise from Nokia and IPAQ to have a surprise. Plus a surprise early release from HTC. This is a war not a battle.
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spum

Jul 7, 2006, 2:01 AM
I'm tech savvy, but I have Verizon because I'd like to be able to make calls from my phone. My phone can have all kinds of bells and whistles, but if I can't make a call from it, it's useless.
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Anxiovert

Jul 7, 2006, 11:42 AM
Why is it that you people think that Cingular phones can't make phone calls? What kind of stupid claim is that? I'd suggest not underestimating your competition this way, next thing you know your shirt will be missing.
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spum

Jul 7, 2006, 1:54 PM
I know from first hand experience that a Cingular phone cannot make a phone call where I live. They do not have coverage in my state. It's not a stupid claim. It's a fact. People come to my store all the time when school starts saying, "My phone doesn't work up here (Cingular, Sprint, Nextel, etc), and I need to get one that will allow me to make calls." Try to use your Cingular phone anywhere near where I live, and you will not be able to make a call. You'll get a nice screeching sound in your ear instead. So please...don't overestimate your carrier in areas you know nothing about.
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S3vSt3R

Jul 9, 2006, 11:20 AM
You have to stop watching commercials. The network claim is a catchy overstatement. The coverage is very similar. Just because you can switch to analog with some phones for another year or so does not make a digital network better. At my home I have all bars on Cingular and VZW people have two or one. All could make a phone call! Did they have ev-do? NO. Did I have Edge? Yes.
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ArmySF

Jul 9, 2006, 11:40 AM
S3vSt3R said:
coverage is very similar. .



SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! In my hood like countless others cingular is still very sub-par,
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S3vSt3R

Jul 9, 2006, 11:51 AM
I did speak for myself.
>>>.....countless others cingular is still very sub-par>>>> 😲 Wow!!! Is that what you can come up with??? Come on, at least you could have quoted Consumer Reports or something. Just don't bother. Good bye.
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ArmySF

Jul 9, 2006, 2:30 PM
Hi sexy boy 🤤LOL
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longsleeves

Jul 12, 2006, 1:47 PM
stop stealing my lines
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spum

Jul 10, 2006, 2:11 PM
You didn't read my post. Cingular phones can not make calls in my area. Period. You get a screeching sound in your ear. This has nothing to do with commercials. This has to do with my personal experience switching people from Cingular to Verizon when they move here because they CAN NOT USE THEIR CINGULAR PHONE.
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VZW429

Jul 11, 2006, 1:49 PM
S3vSt3R said:
All could make a phone call! Did they have ev-do? NO. Did I have Edge? Yes.


"most EDGE networks are only configured to allow up to 135 Kbps,"

"(EV-DO) Rel. 0 offers data rates up to 2.4 mbps, averaging 300-600 kbps in the real world."
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1xRTT also offers much faster data speeds. The initial release - release 0 (zero) - supports data speeds peaking at 144 kbps"

hmmmmm EDGE competes with 1xRTT and neither cant touch EV-DO with a 10 foot pole,

excludin the analog network(which is very small) everything is pretty much 1xRTT. so that seems about right.

and with verizon phones you can make a clear call with 1 or 2 bars, it just takes a little bit longer to connect unlike gsm that ...
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crazymicd

Jul 12, 2006, 7:33 AM
EDGE is not high speed. Compare HSDPA to EVDO Then you have some thing to say.
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RUFF1415

Jul 12, 2006, 1:00 PM
Technically EDGE is classified as high-speed.

HSPDA and EVDO are classified as broadband.
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 12, 2006, 1:41 PM
if edge is classified highspeed, but its comparible in speed to 1x rtt then why isn't rtt classified as high speed???
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 12, 2006, 1:42 PM
not being a smarta$$ either its an honest question.
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RUFF1415

Jul 12, 2006, 2:08 PM
Theoretically EDGE can achieve a significantly higher speed than 1xRTT (although we do not often see that happen) and uplink speeds are higher with EDGE.

That's why EDGE is classified as high-speed.
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 13, 2006, 1:39 AM
and the data to prove this?
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RUFF1415

Jul 13, 2006, 2:34 AM
Although many EDGE phones and devices are theoretically capable of up to 236 Kbps, most EDGE networks are only configured to allow up to 135 Kbps, to conserve spectrum resources. Real-world data rates are usually lower than the maximum.

https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=107 »

1xRTT also offers much faster data speeds. The initial release - release 0 (zero) - supports data speeds peaking at 144 kbps. Typical real-world speeds are closer to 60-80 kbps.

https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=150 »

Again, that is why it is classified as high-speed and 1xRTT is not, although that may not be what we experience in the real world on a regular basis.
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 13, 2006, 10:37 AM
so if 1xrtt devices are configured at 144kbps but usually only run at 60-80. And although edge is capable of running at 236kbps but most devices are configured to run at 135 what speeds do they typically run at?
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RUFF1415

Jul 13, 2006, 12:58 PM
144kbps isn't the configured max, that is the actual max that it can ever reach for 1xRTT.

I know that EDGE networks aren't configured to be capped at 135kbps anymore, and how fast your speeds are depend on the equipment you are using. There are 12 classes of EDGE that a device can support, 12 being the fastest.

Exactly how fast real world speeds are for each depends greatly on a number of factors. On average EDGE will run significantly faster though.
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bigdaddyjay

Jul 10, 2006, 12:15 AM
Correction, most countries use GSM as it was the world standard outside of North and South America. Cingular was one of the last companies worldwide to go GSM, what took so long? Don't forget that VZW is part of the World's largest mobile community with Vodaphone. For those that want it VZW offers the I830 PDA, and a few phones that work on Vodaphone's GSM or on VZW here. Do all Cingular phones work overseas?

You better go Anxio, I think I hear Stan Sigman calling and he needs his at&t poster biatch by his side, can't believe that Cingular is robbing their customers of a few billion in network upgrade money to rebrand again to at&t, what a freakin joke.
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RUFF1415

Jul 10, 2006, 1:43 AM
bigdaddyjay said:
can't believe that Cingular is robbing their customers of a few billion in network upgrade money to rebrand again to at&t, what a freakin joke.

Why is that even being stated? Cingular is taking the hit on branding, not the customer. Sure, maybe the customer will feel the affects of it here and there in pricing, but for the most part they won't. Cingular is that last company to be robbing their customers of a few billion in network upgrade money...as we all know they put the most into their network.
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MidnightDT

Jul 7, 2006, 2:49 AM
Anxiovert said:
Did Vzw unlock bluetooth on their phones?
Can you use your phones overseas?
Do you have high speed everywhere?
Did Vzw drop the standard UI on their phones?
Can you talk and use data at the same time on your phones?
Do your phones have SIM cards now?

Shoe! I can go on and on. Don't come to conclusions too soon. Your phones are decent, not better.


nope, if your primary concern is being able to transfer files with bluetooth then go elsewhere, 98% of cell users dont care.

in CDMA countrys yep, and with a global phone you can use in both CDMA/GSM countrys. Can your phones work in CDMA countrys?

ofcourse, quick2net! actually no but we have 3g in about 100 more markets then cingular...
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Sgt_Joker

Jul 7, 2006, 9:06 AM
WOW!!! Good stuff

Can't the Motorola Q transfer files anyways.
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ESmurf

Jul 8, 2006, 4:10 PM
Yes, and so can the nokia 6256i. THey both have open bluetooth...
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RichardM

Jul 7, 2006, 9:25 AM
Neither JD Powers, or Consumer Reports concur that Cingular has the fewest dropped calls. CR has Verizon rated best in most cities, with Cingular's best showing in a city was third place. In JD Power, Tmobile and Verizon were both rated ahead of Cingular in all areas of the country in "least dropped calls.
Cingular offers little proof that they have the "fewest dropped calls."
Check out this news article in which they examined Cingular's misleading claim.
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/04/23/t ... »
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RUFF1415

Jul 7, 2006, 11:13 AM
All the companies have credibility issues. Did you not read the entire article?

Verizon bases its reliability claims on its own testing, supposedly available at its website. But a detailed breakdown of the tests isn't provided, there's no information on Boston, and what little is available on four other markets dates to 2003.
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MidnightDT

Jul 7, 2006, 11:03 PM
Verizon's network supperiority is proven in the court of public opinion. when cingular says that they have the fewest dropped calls, sprint calls BS with the BBB, tons of articles are made, and a lot of people publically disagree with the advertisements.


when sprint says they have the most powerful network there is tons of uproar and disagreement in articles, they are sued by Cingular, etc.

when verizon says they have the most reliable nationwide wireless network, there is very little disagreement. People know verizon has an extremely high quality voice and data network, and they are consistantly ranked number one in network performance by CR/JDPower.

and more imporantly then all, Verizon Wireless leads the industry every quarter ...
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RUFF1415

Jul 8, 2006, 12:17 AM
No no no, wait...you have it half-right (and of coures, half-wrong).

Cingular says they have the fewest dropped calls. Sprint calls bullshnit and reports it to the BBB. Cingular in turn bypasses the BBB and countersues Sprint.

But you clearly didn't read the follow up.

The BBB hands Sprint the dunce cap, removes their right to claim they have the most powerful network and gives Cingular the right away to advertise:

The largest all-digital network in America.
The the fastest nationwide data network.
The largest push-to-talk network in America.
More bars in more places.
and
Fewest dropped calls.

So, I'd say that's pretty undisputed now.

And as far as churn goes, yes Verizon's is very low. Cingular's is rather low too. Se...
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MidnightDT

Jul 8, 2006, 12:40 AM
sprint didnt bring issues with our statements to the BBB

you dont see articles about verizon's false advertisements in newspapers, just a paragraph in an article about cingular.

Verizon has far less "credibility issues" because most people(cingular network tech's aside) dont doubt the claims made by verizon, as they know VZW's network is top notch.

also the IN txt bundles are not unlimited they are unlimited IN, with a set limit on out of network messages.
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relaymanls

Jul 8, 2006, 3:41 AM
You ROCK Midnight. Good stuff. Some of what RUFF was Barking about may or may not be true, but I've been with Cingular as well as Verizon, and I'll never go back to Cingular again... Verizon is awesome in nearly every sense of the word. Cingular made me miserable with their crap-ass service nearly every day I was with them.
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RUFF1415

Jul 8, 2006, 12:36 PM
It all was true. 😉

And I liked the "Ruff was barking" pun. Creative.
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relaymanls

Jul 8, 2006, 1:59 PM
THX Ruff and have a great weekend!
🙂 😁 🤤 😁 🙂
relaymanls (Larry)
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RUFF1415

Jul 8, 2006, 12:38 PM
MidnightDT said:
also the IN txt bundles are not unlimited they are unlimited IN, with a set limit on out of network messages.

But surely anybody with Verizon has all of their friends switched over to be IN already since everybody knows how great Verizon is.

That would seem pretty unlimited to me.

Wait...Midnight! Are you telling me that there are people who don't use Verizon's top notch service?! 😲
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MidnightDT

Jul 8, 2006, 4:19 PM
is this a real reply? are you using the fact that not everybody with a cell phone being with one company as a reason to slander that company?

must be getting desperate.
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RUFF1415

Jul 8, 2006, 5:03 PM
I'm not slandering any company. I like Verizon.

But you say that most people know that Verizon's network is top notch. If all the people you speak of really agreed that was true, then most people would be texting within the rest of the people that had Verizon. Which should be just as good as unlimited.

But you see, not everybody thinks that's true.
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MidnightDT

Jul 8, 2006, 11:02 PM
i know tons of people with cingular (some employees of cingualr even) who think that Verizon network is very very good, but they are still with Cingular.

everyone has their own reason to be with whatever company they want. my statements remain true and im not going to keep reiterating them.
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philfnyc

Jul 9, 2006, 9:04 AM
Everyone should note...

"Fewest dropped calls" is an inaccurate measurement. All that means is: if you can actually MAKE a call, Cingular has the fewest dropped calls.

Now, all things being equal, which carrier actually connects you to the other party the most AND does not drop the call? I would say Verizon is the winner.
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guido1869

Jul 8, 2006, 7:25 PM

define use data, you can txt/pix while you are on the phone. I havnet tried to do other stuff becuase really why would i need to?


and yes you can i do all the time
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 9, 2006, 2:18 AM
why would you need to browse for ringtones or use mobile web while you're talking on the phone???
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guido1869

Jul 9, 2006, 12:36 PM
sorry i meant that you can text while on a call misread post

and to answer
i have conference calls for work that sometimes last 2 or more hours and can start at 7 am, these calls can be very boring and i fall asleep sometimes, if i can do that then i may keep myself awake
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 9, 2006, 6:31 PM
Thats something everybody here could build on. Mutual boredom is something we all have in common!
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fingmachine

Jul 12, 2006, 11:14 AM
I switched to Cingular so I could D/L via bluetooth my own pictures and U/L games and tones for FREE. At the time of my switch 1 yr ago there was only one VZW PDA that didn't have the OBEX firmware disabled.
In the past year I have traveled extensively. My cingular phone worked in many other countries for $5 additional per month.

I was a Verizon customer for 8 years prior. To be honest I haven't noticed a difference in network availability.
Where I live and travel they are both compatible.
There are special cases (locations) and those people need to get the carrier that covers their area.

I hate all this arguing about dropped calls and network coverage. They are similar. They are also different.
I also hate these companies equally....
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 12, 2006, 11:50 AM
Well said!
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chaos987123

Jul 7, 2006, 7:58 AM
Anxiovert said:
Did Vzw unlock bluetooth on their phones?
Can you use your phones overseas?
Do you have high speed everywhere?
Did Vzw drop the standard UI on their phones?
Can you talk and use data at the same time on your phones?
Do your phones have SIM cards now?

Shoe! I can go on and on. Don't come to conclusions too soon. Your phones are decent, not better.


🤣 Anxiovert - Stop crying and get a life. This is a VZW forum. Cingular blows donkey balls.
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Protege

Jul 7, 2006, 9:45 AM
High-Speed:
High speed is available everywhere I need it and that is what counts... as long as it works for you (customer) then that is all that matters...


UI:
The new phones have a new customizable flash UI starting with the LG 8300 (GREAT PHONE)...

SIM cards:
Verizon does not have SIMs but can now backup all your data on their servers for free


Simultaneous data/voice:
Cant now but it will probably be sooner than Cingular is able to do that... I personally dont see why you'd wanna be surfing the web and talking at the same time though

PHONE LINEUP:

LG chocolate, Motorola RAZR K, LG 8300, LG 9800 (V), Samsung A990...and soon the LG (V2)...

These are some of the BEST phone in the country IMO
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jcoberg10

Jul 7, 2006, 7:27 PM
one thing i wanted to point out is that verizon recently made it so that a call will interupt your data and place it on hold so that you can take the call. I don't know if this is what you were talking about anx but, this is new. verizon is slowly catching up all those years on top they got lazy and didn't do much but now they are fighting to stay where they are and/or get back to the #1 spot. JMHO
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RUFF1415

Jul 7, 2006, 8:57 PM
He's referring to actually being able to browse the internet (say, for directions or an address) while in a phone call. It can be very useful, but I don't believe most people see it as a priority.
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s710aSE

Jul 9, 2006, 2:27 PM
dddd
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satch of the moe

Jul 10, 2006, 7:32 AM
Anxiovert said:
Did Vzw unlock bluetooth on their phones?
Can you use your phones overseas?
Do you have high speed everywhere?
Did Vzw drop the standard UI on their phones?
Can you talk and use data at the same time on your phones?
Do your phones have SIM cards now?

Shoe! I can go on and on. Don't come to conclusions too soon. Your phones are decent, not better.



well seems you have come to some conclusions yourself!

1.think about it most people in the us want things to be sinply when they change products so a simplied ui is better for the customer. There will always be people unhappy but with keeping some thing the same like the ui more people are happy so this claim has no standing.

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RUFF1415

Jul 10, 2006, 10:13 AM
Technically, EDGE is considered to be "high-speed" and Cingular's EDGE network is the largest data network available in America.

Now that's not to imply that it's broadband in any way. But it's definitely "everywhere" Cingular offers service.

The BBB even gave Cingular the rights to advertise "America's largest high-speed data network."
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nikedabs

Jul 12, 2006, 3:16 PM
Are you freakin kidding me? I have friends that work for cingular who openly admit that verizon is better. Consumer reports doesn't lie either. Verizon was rated number one in EVERY market tested but one. That was in Chicago. Sprint was ranked number one. If cingular is so much better then how come Verizons port ratio with Cingular is 2 to 1? We don't need to tell you your network sucks, your own customers do that for us.
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matrix2004

Jul 6, 2006, 7:39 PM
Me too, i almost switched a couple months ago but the LG8300 turned me back toward Verizon. Now it seems Verizon is not just releasing these AWESOME phones but releasing them faster than before. Not to mention changes to their policies that are better for customers. I got a feeling Verizon has more surprises up their sleeve. Look out GSM. Oh i can't wait to see the responses from Cingular freaks to this post. Bring it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 9:07 AM
Come on people seriously. Everyone should just talk about their own carriers but if it has to deal with competition then that is great but if there will be these immature posts and threads I think it is unnecessary.
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ArmySF

Jul 7, 2006, 9:24 AM
Come on Nextel seriously..this is not your first day here these threads will always exist. this thread actually has some merit verizon has lag behind terribly in the phone category, a little playful rivalry is not hurting anyone.
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 9:30 AM
I don’t think I have offense to attacking what the company’s that people are talking about, I do that too, but the demeanor in which you guys’ context shows the immaturity or lack of knowledge that you guys have. Perhaps saying in what areas the carrier is weak and attack that. Saying “Verizon is a powerhouse in this industry” isn’t very true, I mean yes they are very good with churn and postpaid, but they are horrible with prepaid and both data and voice ARPU. I can go on and on especially on the Cingular bored but I don’t choose too because I have more maturity then that. If you guys want to do this, it is fine and I can’t control you guys, but at least keep the maturity level there instead of saying “Cingular is better than Verizon or vi...
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wfine81

Jul 7, 2006, 9:51 AM
nextel18 said:
Saying “Verizon is a powerhouse in this industry” isn’t very true


How is Verizon not a powerhouse? Cingular and Veizon are the two main powerhouses in the cellular business.
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 10:00 AM
We are not talking about Cingular, but about Verizon.

If they (Verizon) was a powerhouse they would control everything in the industry from net ads including both prepaid and post, to data, to arpu, churn, lifetime revenue per user etc.. but they don’t. They only lead in prepaid net ads and churn. They are too ashamed to mention what they have for their EV-DO regarding total net ads per quarter and total on their customer base, even though I know what it is.
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ArmySF

Jul 7, 2006, 10:18 AM
Way to dodge the question with all your mumbo jumbo, verizon and cingular are the two powerhouses of the industry...no if ands or buts about it.
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 10:41 AM
Mumbo jumbo? Lol. See, people like you shouldn’t even give their input since you don’t understand or have any knowledge in this industry and granted they are many like you on here. My “mumbo jumbo” proves that they aren’t the powerhouses of this industry, because if they were they would be number 1 in everything, but they aren’t.
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beyond

Jul 7, 2006, 12:51 PM
So by using your logic no company is a "powerhouse" No company can lead in everything! Come on Nextel18 your smarter than this! Cingular and Vzw are #1 and #2 Just depending on what part of them you are comparing
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 1:03 PM
I am not sure if half of you read what I have been saying regarding powerhouse and the wireless carriers. I suggest you re-read it and then come back with a more rational thought/input then it would be better to actually have a decent conversation instead of you bashing me for just my opinion. Read my examples because I simply say that you can be a powerhouse in some areas but not in others. Like Cingular regarding total adds, Verizon with churn and net adds gain, Sprint with both arpus, data, and direct connect (with Nextel). Then I gave examples if you are a total powerhouse. Another one you would be familiar with is Microsoft and its dominance with Windows and office products. Again, re-read my posts.
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crazymicd

Jul 12, 2006, 8:06 AM
Who told you you have the right to define what a powerhouse company is. I thought you were trying to break down carrier bashing?
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nextel18

Jul 12, 2006, 8:28 AM
Have the right? lol. Oh come on.
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 7, 2006, 10:29 AM
you don't have to be the best at EVERYTHING to be a power house. And besides it anybody in the wiereless industry are powere houses according to your criteria it would be Verizon and T-mobile. And thats according to JD power and consumer reports. Cingular only got as high as third in any region across the us in customer satisfaction. Which in my mind is the only true test for a wireless company. Yeah each company has its one thing it does better than anyone, but overall satisfaction is what really counts. Who cares if sprints data is better if you can't get service? Who cares if cingular doesn't drop calls if it can't connect in the first place?
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 10:59 AM
If you want to say powerhouse that means you have the best and most of everything and that includes best assets (towers, footprint, and spectrum), best metrics like arpu and churn (etc..), and the best product and services. I also don’t care what JD Powers says either so please don’t bring that into this, because it is a simple thing to say you are a power house. For example, look at Qualcomm and its dominance with CDMA that means they are a powerhouse and look at TI with DLP, and GSM and that means they are a powerhouse. I can go on and on about examples. Anyway, the wireless carriers have their faults and some are strong in some areas while weak in others, and that doesn’t mean you are a powerhouse if you have those. A powerhouse is when y...
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ArmySF

Jul 7, 2006, 11:10 AM
If I throw a stick, will you leave? 🤣

hypocrite 🙄
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 11:18 AM
How about a cookie?
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wfine81

Jul 7, 2006, 12:21 PM
mmmmmmmmm, cookies 🤤
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 12:44 PM
hahah.

What shall we drink with those cookies? Hmm.
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 7, 2006, 4:31 PM
Hmm... lets see. Would you agree that the NY 25 or 26 of the world series in the last 100 years. Did they always have the best pitching? NO! Did they always have the best hitting line up? NO! They had a great OVERALL team and that is why they are a power house. You don't have to be the best at everything, you just have to be the best overall. And that IMO is why Verizon is a powerhouse.
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nextel18

Jul 10, 2006, 10:17 AM
I wont repeat myself so let us just agree to disagree.

FYI, Verizon isnt a powerhouse, becuase they really only have a few things going for them; 1. very good network 2. great churn and 3. great total net adds.

they lack in; data, prepaid, total net adds.
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guido1869

Jul 10, 2006, 10:59 AM
the US is and has long been considered a superpower aka powerhouse, do you think that we are number one in every conceivable statistic, not even close, are we number one in almost every statistic, no but we are still considered a powerhouse

verizon isn't number one in overall subscribers cingy is but vzw is on pace to pass cingy up soon,

how can you just dismiss jd power and consumer reports, cr was a poll of 50,000 people and jc was 23,000
the larger poll ranked verizon #1 across the nation and the smaller poll ranked them tied for 1st
wireless weekly also named vzw carrier of the year

you show me a substancial poll by a reputable source that doesn't rate vzw at or near the top then you can legitimatly say that they're not a pow...
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RUFF1415

Jul 10, 2006, 1:10 PM
guido1869 said:
verizon isn't number one in overall subscribers cingy is but vzw is on pace to pass cingy up soon,

I agree 100% that both Verizon and Cingular are powerhouses. You certainly do not have to be number one in all aspects to be a powerhouse.

But the above statement struck me. I honestly do not believe that to be true. Net additions have steadily become rather tight between the two companies and Cingular still leads with a 3 million customer gap. Verizon may very well indeed pull ahead in total subscribers...but I wouldn't say "soon" in any respect.
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nextel18

Jul 11, 2006, 10:49 AM
I dont care what JD powers says becuase i dont think they have merit.

if something is a policy they are a dominant force in the industry or world. (meaning they have the assets and other things to prove it)

GE, XOM, WMT, Qcom, TXN etc.. are a few examples.
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nextel18

Jul 11, 2006, 10:49 AM
lol a policy? i mean a powerhouse. sorry.
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Want_New_Phone

Jul 7, 2006, 9:51 AM
ArmySF said:
Come on Nextel seriously..this is not your first day here these threads will always exist. this thread actually has some merit verizon has lag behind terribly in the phone category, a little playful rivalry is not hurting anyone.


Actually Army, threads like these do hurt people, the customers who end up showing blind loyalty to any carrier. I am a Verizon customer because that is what is best for me at the present time. Verizon will only look out for their interests so I must look out for mine. As such, I would dump Verizon in a heartbeat if the entire package of service (price, coverage in the areas I need it, handset selection etc.) ends up being better for me with another carrier.

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ArmySF

Jul 7, 2006, 10:09 AM
I respectfully disagree with you, you are bitter against verizon because of their customer service, You feel they have done you wrong, and have displayed this attitude on this forum time and time again.


And on a second note being a fan of your favorite football team is ok, but not your favorite wireless carrier? boo on that! I disagree with all your statements, you are not the final word on what ppl are entitled to be a fan of.
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Want_New_Phone

Jul 7, 2006, 12:00 PM
I wouldn't and probably couldn't talk you out of being a Verizon fan and don't really care that much anyway. Please read my past posts, I have not knocked Verizon repeatedly in the past and have often stated that VZW is the best service for my situation, not really "bitter" statements.

You will learn however that a business relationship is two parties each working rationally for their own best interest. That doesn't mean that someone will get screwed, the best business relationships end up as a "win/win" for both parties.

However, if you enter a business relationship as a "fan" and do not approach it rationally, you are sure to come out on the short end of the stick if.

Army, in the past, you have repaetedly gone to extremes: carri...
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ArmySF

Jul 7, 2006, 12:21 PM
I respect your post and appreciate your input, good luck to you too!
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nextel18

Jul 7, 2006, 12:43 PM
Great points!!
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matrix2004

Jul 7, 2006, 10:04 PM
GSM must be stopped, no matter the cost. Til all are one.
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spum

Jul 8, 2006, 12:01 PM
GSM does cause increased brain activity on the side of the brain that the phone is nearest. It's yet to be determined if it actually has any negative effect. It would be pretty funny to see GSM suddenly declared unsafe.
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target

Jul 9, 2006, 3:57 PM
spum said:
GSM does cause increased brain activity on the side of the brain that the phone is nearest. It's yet to be determined if it actually has any negative effect. It would be pretty funny to see GSM suddenly declared unsafe.


Actually, the increased brain activity is a good thing. It's the brain at work thinking about all the possibilities of using a phone that hasn't been crippled by the carrier.
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spum

Jul 10, 2006, 2:12 PM
🤣
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alejandro

Jul 10, 2006, 2:33 PM
yes, but it stimulates the part of the brain responsible for homosexual urges
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spum

Jul 10, 2006, 2:33 PM
That explains a lot about the Cingular trolls that live in this forum.
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alejandro

Jul 10, 2006, 2:42 PM
they really like the spokesman too, because its asexual and they dont feel guilty about their wet dreams
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Cellenator

Jul 8, 2006, 12:38 PM
matrix2004 said:
GSM must be stopped, no matter the cost. Til all are one.


can I have some of the crack you are smoking?

VCcast is a joke and so are verizon phones.

you verizon peeps are all excited over your lg 8300 I mean good grief its just an update to an old phone thats been on the shelf for over two years!!!!!!!!!!!!
🙄 🤣 silly kids!!!

verizon razr, can't hold a candle to the SPRINT BLADE

LG 8300 🤣 Have you seen the FUSIC PHONE!!!. thats what I have and makes any verizon phone look sub par.

So what else do you have to look forward too, your LG 8300 specs in a Choco slider LOL have fun!!

O SPRINT Power vision so blows verizon away
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spum

Jul 8, 2006, 1:23 PM
...too bad Sprint's coverage sucks.
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Cellenator

Jul 8, 2006, 1:36 PM
lear before you type spum, that is a tired old line that just isn't true, using Sprint gives me access to the two best networks in the country, also sprint has way more potential then verizon, Sprint has more spectrum than any carrier. Sprint has the BEST CONTENT of any carrier!!!! data speeds are faster, network cards are not crippled, the list is endless
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spum

Jul 8, 2006, 1:43 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.


My phone can have all the bells and whistles in the world, but if I can't use my phone as a phone, it's worthless.


Sprint has decent coverage when it's roaming, but then you don't have access to a lot of the data that makes the company worthwhile. Also, not all of the plans have included roaming.
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relaymanls

Jul 8, 2006, 2:45 PM
Cellenator.. LG makes awesome phones indeed, and the FUSION does seem pretty cool from what I've seen / heard / read etc...
Time will tell if the people truly love the phone like MOST [self included] "absolutely love" their LG 8300.

There's room for more than one beloved phone by LG.

If you're w/ Verizon, go w/ the LG VX-8300
(or maybe the A-900 ... time will tell)
If your w/ Sprint, continue to love your Fusic LX-550.
They're BOTH incredible phones depending on if you're with the KING Werizon or if your with someone else, like say... Sprint? I had to rib you at least a little bit. Enjoy the weekend [and enjoy our differences on whose the best provider / network]. If everybody loved the same EXACT SAME thing(s), what a boring pl...
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Cellenator

Jul 8, 2006, 3:53 PM
well said 🙂
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relaymanls

Jul 8, 2006, 4:23 PM
Cellenator said:
well said 🙂


Thank you CELL-man [aka: Cellenator] LG-man 😁
Hope you didn't mind the typos... I obviously didn't use spell check and was typing faster than my I should be allowed to.

LG has some impressive products out right now. Even though I have the LG 8300 [Verizon} and love it, I've been following the buzz on the LG Fusic [Sprint] and it seems pretty cool too... are you fully loving it?
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target

Jul 9, 2006, 3:59 PM
Only when Verizon starts sponsoring a competitive Tour de France team can it even BEGIN to be thought of as a powerhouse.
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satch of the moe

Jul 10, 2006, 7:34 AM
omfg the tour de france sucks. till they have a bat and hit people or ride with paint ball guns and shoot people it will always be a european sport which will suck. 🤣
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target

Jul 10, 2006, 9:53 AM
satch of the moe said:
omfg the tour de france sucks. till they have a bat and hit people or ride with paint ball guns and shoot people it will always be a european sport which will suck. 🤣


Would body checks suffice?
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satch of the moe

Jul 10, 2006, 10:05 AM
😈 yes i believe that would help or make it women racing in bikinis 🤤
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dezicartel

Jul 13, 2006, 1:41 PM
WHY does cingular suck so much? I just dont understand, it is horrible. I'm not sure why its not dead yet, I mean with all the false advertising that it partakes in, you think karma would play its roll and kill it for manipulating their customers.....god cingular really sucks...
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wfine81

Jul 13, 2006, 1:45 PM
Please stop posting on this thread so it can go away, I know another one is bound to pop up soon but this is soooooooooooooo old bickering about VZW vs. Cingular, get a life people!!!!
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liquifiedgr00ve

Jul 13, 2006, 1:48 PM
This is the thread that never ends! Yes it goes on and on my friends! Some people started posting it not knowing what it was! But they'll continue posting forever just because........ 😁
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