Iphone
Not to take anything away from VZW's network, but I'm half expecting the Iphone to suck as much on VZW as it did on AT&T. What'll Apple's excuse be then? Oh, it's the American Markets?
For my wife's sake I hope it's awesome. Mainly cause I'm getting her one once they're available.
For my wife's sake I hope it's awesome. Mainly cause I'm getting her one once they're available.
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Jiangshu said:
Not to take anything away from VZW's network, but I'm half expecting the Iphone to suck as much on VZW as it did on AT&T. What'll Apple's excuse be then? Oh, it's the American Markets?
For my wife's sake I hope it's awesome. Mainly cause I'm getting her one once they're available.
If the phone's poor reception were really just a case of Apple making terrible antennas, how come I've never heard a complaint about call quality from anyone running a jailbreak on T-mobile?
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For the same reason that the original iphone didn't have the problems of the later releases.
As best as I can determine the dropped call issue comes from bugs in the "baseband" firmware when the phone negotiates the handoff between 2G and 3G.
People who turn off their 3G on AT&T don't have the issues either.
And since the iphone doesn't support t-mobile's 3G band, jailbroken phones on their network don't have the issues either.
Although this firmware would need to be re-written for Verizon it's possible that the same bugs could be present. We'll have to see.
As best as I can determine the dropped call issue comes from bugs in the "baseband" firmware when the phone negotiates the handoff between 2G and 3G.
People who turn off their 3G on AT&T don't have the issues either.
And since the iphone doesn't support t-mobile's 3G band, jailbroken phones on their network don't have the issues either.
Although this firmware would need to be re-written for Verizon it's possible that the same bugs could be present. We'll have to see.
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If that's the case the nice thing about Verizon is the network is 100% 3G.
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Yeah. Hopefully that will make the difference for the device. I was watching The Daily Show and John was railing against AT&T over the Iphone. I had AT&T for years with no issues using a Blackberry. Maybe its a NY thing? I'm going to get myself an Android, but she really likes the iphone.
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vzwinagent said:
If that's the case the nice thing about Verizon is the network is 100% 3G.
And... now I know why you're an indirect agent...
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Azeron said:
1x is 3g. As is Rev A.
Well, the xG nomenclature is pretty much a useless marketing phrase now anyway, but the original 3G spec mandated simultaneous voice and data.
By that standard, VZW and Sprint are still 2nd generation technologies.
I guess it all depends on whose definition you're using. I'm comfortable calling EVDO 3G, but the 1X voice network clearly isn't unless there's some 3G definition out there I've never heard of.
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You are often seen on this site spouting comments as though you know what you are talking about. You are seriously damaging your credibility by calling CDMA2000 or 1x -- 2G. Get your facts straight and get back to me. Otherwise...stop posting nonsense. Here maybe this will help. Although one could just as easily read the glossary here on PhoneSchoop.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-ever ... »
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-ever ... »
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From your source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-ever ... »
Then they go on to claim 1X is a 3G technology, despite capping out at less than 100 kbps.
The deployment either meets the spec, or it doesn't.
1X doesn't.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/2g-3g-4g-and-ever ... »
...by the time GPRS was on the market, the UN's International Telecommunications Union had already put together its IMT-2000 standard, an official list of specifications that a "true" 3G technology would have to meet. Most importantly, IMT-2000 required stationary speeds of 2Mbps and mobile speeds of 384kbps...
Then they go on to claim 1X is a 3G technology, despite capping out at less than 100 kbps.
The deployment either meets the spec, or it doesn't.
1X doesn't.
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Your arrogance is incredibly offensive.
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=10 »
CDMA2000
(1x)
cdma2000 is a third-generation (3G) wireless technology that is evolved from existing CDMA 2G technology. Its main features are faster data rates, always-on data service, and improved voice network capacity (more people can use each tower at the same time).
cdma2000 will be deployed in at least three phases.
The first, 1xRTT, supports up to 144 Kbps packet data speeds. It also doubles voice capacity over previous CDMA networks (IS-95).
The second release of 1x, 1xEV-DO, will support data rates up to 2.4 Mbps. It can only be deployed separately from voice networks - in its own spectrum - although devices can be made t...
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https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=10 »
CDMA2000
(1x)
cdma2000 is a third-generation (3G) wireless technology that is evolved from existing CDMA 2G technology. Its main features are faster data rates, always-on data service, and improved voice network capacity (more people can use each tower at the same time).
cdma2000 will be deployed in at least three phases.
The first, 1xRTT, supports up to 144 Kbps packet data speeds. It also doubles voice capacity over previous CDMA networks (IS-95).
The second release of 1x, 1xEV-DO, will support data rates up to 2.4 Mbps. It can only be deployed separately from voice networks - in its own spectrum - although devices can be made t...
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vzwinagent: If that's the case the nice thing about Verizon is the network is the network is 100% 3G
CellStudent: And... now I know why you're an indirect agent...
CellStudent: I guess it all depends on whose definition you're using. I'm comfortable calling EVDO 3G, but the 1X voice network clearly isn't unless there's some 3G definition out there I've never heard of.
Are you still searching for evidence to refute what you should have already known before inserting your foot in your mouth? Try some more crow...
http://www.cdg.org/technology/cdmatechnology.asp »
CDMA is a "spread spectrum" technology, allowing many users to occupy the same time and frequency allocations in a given band/space. CDMA (Code Division Multiple Acc...
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CellStudent: And... now I know why you're an indirect agent...
CellStudent: I guess it all depends on whose definition you're using. I'm comfortable calling EVDO 3G, but the 1X voice network clearly isn't unless there's some 3G definition out there I've never heard of.
Are you still searching for evidence to refute what you should have already known before inserting your foot in your mouth? Try some more crow...
http://www.cdg.org/technology/cdmatechnology.asp »
CDMA is a "spread spectrum" technology, allowing many users to occupy the same time and frequency allocations in a given band/space. CDMA (Code Division Multiple Acc...
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deepskyblue said:
As best as I can determine the dropped call issue comes from bugs in the "baseband" firmware when the phone negotiates the handoff between 2G and 3G.
People who turn off their 3G on AT&T don't have the issues either.
Although this firmware would need to be re-written for Verizon it's possible that the same bugs could be present. We'll have to see.
If the handoff is the issue, then the CDMA variant definitely won't see the same dropped call issues.
CDMA never hands off between 2G and 3G (during a voice session).
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Time will tell. The handoff issue might not be the only thing wrong with the firmware.
It doesn't rule out that there could be some other type of error in the CDMA version.
Or maybe it will work great. We won't really for a few months.
I don't have any confidence in apple's engineering teams and from what i've read about the motorola citrus it seems like Verizon's quality control isn't perfect.
It doesn't rule out that there could be some other type of error in the CDMA version.
Or maybe it will work great. We won't really for a few months.
I don't have any confidence in apple's engineering teams and from what i've read about the motorola citrus it seems like Verizon's quality control isn't perfect.
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The citrus exists because people wanted a free android phone.
Quality control is excellent, but when the choice comes down to price or quality, the consumer is choosing price every time, thus the sacrifices.
Ironically, I know someone with a citrus and they love it... I haven't gottent them to submit to a cat scan to find out why yet though
Quality control is excellent, but when the choice comes down to price or quality, the consumer is choosing price every time, thus the sacrifices.
Ironically, I know someone with a citrus and they love it... I haven't gottent them to submit to a cat scan to find out why yet though
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The issue is that an iPhone on t-mobile doesn't use 3g. The issue with iPhones has always been their infineon 3g chips. There have been complaints about poor reception using the iPhone on 3g networks worldwide not just the US.
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Very true if you read about the iphone in Europe you'll find all the same complaints that are leveled against att.
I don't think it's the infineon chips though because other US carriers use them in their phones.
I think it's definately in the firmware.
I don't think it's the infineon chips though because other US carriers use them in their phones.
I think it's definately in the firmware.
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it's gonna be junk, cuz att is better! att is the fastest network in the united states and verizon will NEVER be able to compare! EVER
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I'm not sure that would define the device as "Junk". The device on AT&T was buggy to begin with. The same issues on a VZW network would neither prove nor deny a difference in quality between AT&T and VZW. If the device did better, then it might be part of an equation that would need more than once device's performance to substantiate.
On problem I have with people calling AT&T crap because of the Iphone is that it doesn't properly quantify the AT&T experience. As if one device could properly represent a nation wide service with a myriad of ever improving phones on various operating platforms.
On problem I have with people calling AT&T crap because of the Iphone is that it doesn't properly quantify the AT&T experience. As if one device could properly represent a nation wide service with a myriad of ever improving phones on various operating platforms.
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