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Verizon to require data on most phones by month's end

vinsideguy

Jan 8, 2010, 12:35 PM
All 3G. I don't know much else at this time, as I no longer work for the company. I have an inside source telling me that by Jan 17 all 3G phones will require some sort of data plan.

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CellStudent

Jan 8, 2010, 12:44 PM
That would be market suicide. Unless all 3G handsets start shipping with full HTML browsers, or the data package drops to $5/month, that is going to be a disaster.
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Cellenator

Jan 8, 2010, 3:34 PM
when a see a source on hofo or elsewhere than we can worry
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dalily21

Jan 9, 2010, 1:36 AM
The OP is right. VZW is getting rid of the 19.99 75 MB data plan but keep the 9.99 but introduce a 29.99 unlimited option (like the email and web for Blackberry) both these plans will include Mobile Email.

Also, 3G Mutlimedia phones (ex: twist, alias 2, Chocolate Touch- to name a few) will require one of the above data plans starting 01/18. So we will have the same headache as with the LG EnV touch. Great!!

There was a question brought up about the Connect and Premium plans, I'm not sure if they are going away because for 29.99 usually its that cost to go from Basic to Connect anyways. So not sure about that.

I haven't read it in Infoman yet, it was a call we listened to about it. But in the E-Guide find it there is a category ca...
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epik

Jan 9, 2010, 10:14 AM
I've heard about the required data, too. The people in our store have been reeling over it since we found out. We haven't been given any specifics yet, but most everyone is going through training next week on this (as well as the two Palm phones coming December 25).
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Chapperal

Jan 9, 2010, 9:31 PM
I have a LG Dare, and I have been out of contract over a year now. I pay only 15 dollars a month extra for unlimited web. So does that mean they would charge me more?

I hate Dare's virtual keyboard, what would you recommend that has a real keyboard where I could still check my yahoo email on?


Thank you in advance.
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allboutvzw

Jan 9, 2010, 9:34 PM
Shouldn't apply to you because you're not in contract. Now if they do indeed change the data services for contracts. I would think that means if you sign a new contract you would be in the new fees.
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Butthead007

Jan 9, 2010, 10:29 PM
This is news to me and tbh, too stupid to be an actual policy.

Just too stupid. I don't think its gonna happen.
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Chapperal

Jan 9, 2010, 11:50 PM
Thanks alboutvz. I am having second thoughts about renewing my contract with Verizon. The ONLY reason why I even have Verizon is because it is the only carrier that works in the building where I work. That is also because we have a tower on our roof to bring in a stronger signal. Every person who doesn't use Verizon has to go outside to use their non-Verizon phones.

I don't like the Data usage issue with Verizon or their new policy double rip off on the ETF.

If need be, I will choose another carrier to go with, after all I live in a warm climate, where going outside to make a call is not really a big deal.

As for hanging with Verizon, let's see if they sweeten the deal like the other carriers here, because all 5 or 6 carriers ...
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Menno

Jan 10, 2010, 1:25 AM
so this is going through? I can't even find HINTS of it online. If it does go through.. Verizon better have one hell of a marketing campaign for it, because I can't see this going over that well.

Premium devices I could (even the EnVTouch.. though I think that should've been handled better) . and required date on all smartphones.. but on a phone like the EnV3.. and the Rival? not at all.
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Azeron

Jan 10, 2010, 1:28 AM
They are some greedy *bleepards* that's for sure. One wonders when they are going to over play their hands?
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Victek

Jan 11, 2010, 12:15 PM
"The OP is right. VZW is getting rid of the 19.99 75 MB data plan but keep the 9.99 but introduce a 29.99 unlimited option (like the email and web for Blackberry) both these plans will include Mobile Email."
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To be clear, are you saying the the mobile email option will be included in the $10/25 meg data plan? That would be pretty nice since it's $5 extra at the moment.
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vzwinagent

Jan 11, 2010, 8:22 PM
Yes, that's right.
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Victek

Jan 11, 2010, 10:40 PM
That's nice to know. I have the $10/25 meg data plan now with the enV Touch. Assuming that this change takes place I wonder if the mobile email feature will be added in automatically or if I will have to speak to customer service? Any thoughts?
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vzwinagent

Jan 11, 2010, 10:45 PM
Not sure if it will be automatically added or if you'll have to get the updated feature.
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Victek

Jan 11, 2010, 10:48 PM
Thanks for the reply! 😎
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bleu_tropix

Jan 13, 2010, 12:23 AM
You'll probably get an automated text message from Verizon telling you that Mobile Email is included in your plan and it will prompt you to download the app. That's what happened when I switched to the Connect plan.
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 12:55 AM
Judging from the comments here, this will have no effect on us poor souls paying $45 for the unlimited data plan an a WinMO phone such as the XV6800, correct?

Gregg
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Menno

Jan 10, 2010, 1:26 AM
why are you paying the 45, do you use activesync (genuinely curious as I don't know anyone who has it so I have only basic knowledge about how it works)
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Azeron

Jan 10, 2010, 1:31 AM
He would not need the Unlimited PDA $44.99 for Active Sync...just Wireless Sync. Active Sync is included in the box and supported by plugging in. Wireless Sync won't work with the Unlimited Email and Web feature.
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:43 AM
That is the data plan I was told that I needed when I bought the phone!

So, when I finally go to th eTP2 with WinMo 6.5 (HA! If they EVER release it!), what plan should I have for ActiveSync and light web browsing?

Gregg
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:47 AM
Keep in mind that I got the phone in July 2007, so maybe that plan was not around (Unlimited Email and Web for Smartphone)?

Gregg
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:51 AM
Hmm...my new every two was up in July 2009, but I thought I got that phone the week it came out, which was November-something...I think!
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:58 AM
I just looked it up. I got it on 11/30/07.
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Azeron

Jan 10, 2010, 1:59 AM
It wasn't around then. You don't need that plan now though it sounds like you may have an old bundled rate plan. Back in the day the Core Choice Voice/Data bundles would save you $5. So rather than pay $59.99 for 900 peak and then $44.99 for the Unlimited PDA plan you would get the bundle plan for say $99.99. Today you could go with the $59.99 Nationwide 900 and $29.99 Unlimited Email and Web for Smartphones.
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 2:03 AM
I just looked on the VZW site and I see a "PDA/Smartphone Nationwide Email" plan for 900 mnutes and data, but I don't see the plan you mentioned.

Somewhere I thought I saw that plan, but i tsounded as though it did NOT work with ActiveSync push email.

But then again, I am a tired old fart who should be sleeping now!

Gregg
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:41 AM
Yes, I use ActiveSync to sync to my Exchange server for my business.

It syncs Outlook email, contacts, calendar, and tasks, and Outlook on the phone looks the same as it does on my laptop/workstation/OWA, etc, even all my nicely nested folders stay nested.

I want the TP2 with 6.5, but that seems as though it will never happen.

Actually, it must be $40, because I had a $59.99 plan for 900 minutes before going to a Smartphone, and now I have a $99 plan.

Gregg
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Azeron

Jan 10, 2010, 1:26 AM
Why would you be paying that unless you are using Wireless Sync? I don't even know if VZW still supports/offers wireless sync. If you aren't using it then I would change to the Unlimited Email and Web for Smartphone feature which is $29.99
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 1:45 AM
I was told that was the plan I needed when I moved to the XV6800. I don't even know what Wireless Sync is!

Gregg
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dalily21

Jan 10, 2010, 1:07 PM
In November of 2007 the 29.99 email and web for smartphone wasn't avalable. I would say to log into My Verizon and try to change to that feature or call customer service and they can do it. There is still a few phones that don't do the 29.99 feature, not sure if that phone doesn't.
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 10:49 PM
From what I have read, that plan will not work with Microsoft Exchange server mail retrieval.

Is that true?

Gregg
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epik

Jan 10, 2010, 10:51 PM
Yes. Read my other post about this.
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epik

Jan 10, 2010, 1:30 PM
Everyone here seems to think that you need to switch from your existing plan to the $29.99 plan. Based on what you've mentioned within this thread, you need to stay on the plan you're on. You're using an email solution that would not work on the $29.99 plan, based on your comments.

The $29.99/mo email and web solution won't work with your connection. This plan uses either the phone's internal email program to check mail for you, or uses the Verizon email application to check it for you.

The plan you're on allows you to fully syncronize not only your email but your contacts, calendar, tasks, and folder (as you mentioned here:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 10:55 PM
Indeed! That is how I understood the two plans.

Gregg
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epik

Jan 10, 2010, 11:00 PM
I'm glad you got my message.

Now, if you dig around my posts a while you'll find that I've posted a few times about various workarounds for this situation. You COULD be on the $29.99 plan and still do some of the synchronization you're looking for. I've set up many Blackberry devices to utilize Gmail to appear as if you're using your work email. Ultimately, though, what you're doing is working just fine. If it isn't broken, and you can't have someone do all the redirecting work for you to allow you to change plans, don't worry about fixing anything.
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greggmh123

Jan 10, 2010, 11:59 PM
Oh, I have no intention of changing. Exchange ActiveSync works too well!
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 12, 2010, 2:27 PM
It doesn't effect me much since I have a Droid (29.99 email/web plan) but I do sell the phones and i can't wait to get chewed for the new data requirement on EnV3's (can't people just have a full keyboard phone without the data?)

As I hear it, January 18th is when this will kick off

oh its gonna be fun.... *intense sarcasm*

This is one of the few things I strongly disagree with Verizon on
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epik

Jan 12, 2010, 5:18 PM
I disagree, too. I've disagreed with a lot of things over the years. Personally, I think that if they're going to require data, now's the time that Verizon reduces their prices on minutes.

Samsung Intensity is 1X only, so there's your full keyboard without data.
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 1:59 AM
^ I could see this if they went to a lower price minute plan, or even if they started including texting (maybe not unlimited but some) but an EnV3 requiring data... I don't think this will go over well.
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Payperkut909

Jan 13, 2010, 11:12 PM
The reason for the new data structure is to help subsidize the cost of equipment. Believe it or not, wireless companies buy their handsets at a huge loss. It you have a customer by a chocolate touch for $79.99 after rebate and they are only on a $39.99 rate plan, it takes almost 7 months before that customer is a profitable investment. Take that same phone and sell it to a customer that's on a connect or premium rate plan and you end up cutting the amount of time in half that it takes to make "money" off the customer. This business model is no different then any other company that has to subsidize their product to make a profit off residual buisness. Now what verizon could do is just go ahead and say screw contracts and just charge full cost...
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Azeron

Jan 13, 2010, 11:56 PM
That's what they should do as well as allow unbranded CDMA handsets on the network. They still have not approved the Saygus Vphone. I won't be holding my breath, either.
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howardk111

Jan 12, 2010, 5:27 PM
Unless Verizon is "wired" and knows that all the other major carriers will do the same, this is insane. I, and most people I know, use phones strictly for making calls. To be denied the use of the better phones for this purpose is going to cause many to leave Verizon, even long time subscribers who have otherwise been happy with their service.
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epik

Jan 12, 2010, 7:21 PM
Is it really a better phone (quality), or do you mean a phone with more capability? The LG 5500 has a better track record than the Env3, both of which are good phones, quality-wise. There aren't that many "low quality" phones being sold right now, in my opinion, regardless of their features or generational technology.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 12, 2010, 7:33 PM
Well i'd say "denied" is a bit strong... they lay out the agreement and you either accept or reject... no one makes you get anything..


You bring up a good point regarding the possible coercion of Verizon and other company's.... where'd they get the balls to make this sort of move? Seems rather ballsy... even for Verizon
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Azeron

Jan 12, 2010, 8:59 PM
This sounds like a twisted ploy to push subscribers toward smartphones. If I have to pay $29.99 for data then I might as well have it on a blackberry or android rather than an Envy3.
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Azeron

Jan 12, 2010, 9:06 PM
Hey! Just port your number to Page Plus! Unlimited Talk and Text for $39.99 on Verizon's network. No data feature requirement. It would be worth paying the ETF if one has more than six months remaining on the contract.
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alee

Jan 13, 2010, 1:56 PM
Not only are other carriers not doing that, ATT offers unlimited data and email for 10 dollars.
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 11:15 PM
if you have a select plan already, which verizon does as well. Nice try though
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alee

Jan 13, 2010, 11:19 PM
Nope. There a few options for doing it including family text and bundling navigator with it.
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 11:28 PM
no, if you want data without text messaging, it is 15 (which is cheaper, I know)

try going to their website and starting a new plan, it gives you messaging, messaging and data, and data. the data package is 15

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/servi ... »

the 10 plan says in the print "Requires messaging package"
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alee

Jan 13, 2010, 11:32 PM
So I hear. I sell it every day and there's definitely other options and the beauty of it is that its unlimited.
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 11:36 PM
I am going on what is presented on their website, NOT save or "non advertised" plans.

Please show me on their WEBSITE where you can get unlimited data for 10 a month without the need for a messaging bundle
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alee

Jan 14, 2010, 3:37 PM
I am going off of reality, not the internet. You can bundle Navigator with media net for 20 a month and that does include email. Navigator as a stand alone is 10 dollars so as a bundle that leave media net at 10 dollars.
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Menno

Jan 14, 2010, 3:47 PM
no... you don't get the point of bundling do you? You bundle because the end result is cheaper than everything individually. And who was talking about navigator? we are talking about media net and texting.

And if you can't go off the companies own advertised prices.. I really hope you're not a rep.
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alee

Jan 14, 2010, 5:45 PM
Now if you go back a little bit you will see that this is actually about data being 10 dollars, not data and texting. And the end result is that data is 10 dollars by bundling with navigator and you arent charged extra for email. I dont know if its the same, but when I worked for Verizon, it was 5 dollars for email. Also, if you have a family plan with family texting, every line on the account can get data on their line for...you guessed it, 10 dollars and that includes data. My point is, there are many options to get data for 10 dollars so there is an option for everyone. You dont have to do messaging to get it for 10 dollars. And yes, I am a rep and and honest one. Everything I am saying is legit and standard. Maybe you should check that w...
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C DM

Jan 14, 2010, 5:58 PM
Except that with the $9.99/month feature you only 25 MB of data, but with the Connect plan, for basically the same price (if you are also getting unlimited messaging) you get completely unlimited data (and Mobile Email is also included in both, so it's a fairly moot point). So, the difference is at least 25 MB vs. completely unlimited--that's a pretty big difference (might not matter to everyone, but to a lot of those that it would matter to it's a huge difference).
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alee

Jan 14, 2010, 6:06 PM
I get the feeling that you are comparing verizon to verizon, not verizon to att. Att has only two options, unlimited data and pay per use. Thats it.
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Menno

Jan 14, 2010, 6:06 PM
On ATT's OWN WEBSITE there is NO option for a 10 unlimited data plan. Unlimited Data is listed as $15 dollars (which is still a great value). Data becomes only 10 a line if the customer has an unlimited texting plan, ala the "Connect" plan on Verizon.

What you are saying is that ATT will knock 5 off the cost of unlimited data if you bundle it with some other feature.. which is what I've Been saying the Whole Time. I've been arguing that you cannot get standalone unlimited data for $10, which you've done nothing to disprove,you just keep finding other bundles. I'm not arguing that the bundles exist, I never was.
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alee

Jan 14, 2010, 6:10 PM
Actually, from what I read, your argument was that you have to have messaging with data to get data for 10 dollars but in reality, there are at least 4 options I can think of to get it for 10 dollars, only two require messaging.
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greggmh123

Jan 19, 2010, 1:53 PM
I have read this thread, and it is quite clear that Menno was pointing out that one cannot get unlimited AT&T data for $10, unless, as you pointed out, it is bundled with another service. That does not mean that data is suddenly cheap at $10. Why not?

I could take your argument that Navigator is $10 and data is $15, but the two bundled are $20, thereby making data $15 and Navigator $5, so data is still $15. It is now Navigator that is cheaper!

You can't bundle and then use the argument that one is therefore cheaper now.

It's kind of like the old grocery store commercial where an old lady asks the price of apples. She asks how much for two, and the price is $1.50. She asks how much for one. The price is $1. She says, "I'll take the o...
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Celling_it

Jan 12, 2010, 9:10 PM
This will acheive 2 things that will make it so much easier to sell phones.
1. Get those people who should not have more advanced phones out of them. Lets face it there are far too many people carrying ENV touches and Rogues who have no business with them. They do not understand that there might be some limitations to a phones capabilities and waste a lot of time of store reps complaining about something that the phone just cant do.
2. Make it so that the people who want the higher end pbones can get into them at a lower price point. This will mae it so much easier on the wallets of those people who want the high end phones.
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epik

Jan 13, 2010, 12:21 PM
I still think that smartphones should be free, and basic 1X phones should be $100 or more. Verizon already subsidizes most smartphones more than basic phones. Reward those looking to pay higher monthly rates with better up-front costs. Why should a basic phone user reap the benefits of a high subsidy when I'm the one making the carrier more money?
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Azeron

Jan 13, 2010, 4:50 PM
Are you serious? Why give away what consumers are willing to pay for? If smartphones were slow to sell perhaps...
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epik

Jan 13, 2010, 11:35 PM
Because the customer who make the least profit are often the ones who more often ask for the "free phone." The reversal of that would be the customer who makes the carrier the most profit would get the higher subsidy. This should equalize the amount of profit the carrier makes off of both types of customers.

It's logical, though unlikely to happen.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 13, 2010, 12:25 PM
I agree with what you're saying but try not to look at it from too selfish of a point of view... not everyone wants that stuff (even though they could probably use it)

this is definitly going to cause drama on the sales floot with non-understanding customers that just want their damn env3 with no data "all i do is talk and text, but i want a full keyboard" (ya i know, intensity)
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 1:45 PM
I think my biggest issue is that if someone wants a phone with pretty much anything (decent camera, keyboard, etc) they'll need data now.

The only keyboard phone verizon offers that isn't 3g is the intensity, right?

This would be an easier pill to swallow if they had a broader selection of non-3g phones, and/or they did something to minute plans to make data a little easier to swallow.
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vzwinagent

Jan 14, 2010, 12:03 AM
Or maybe a phone that did video that wasn't 3G and now going to require data. You want video, sorry, you must have data.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 13, 2010, 12:24 PM
how this change will take effect?

Meaning, im sure people that currently have enV3's are grandfathered in... but to what extent.. until the next price plan change? the next feature change? what if they get a fru and do an esn change?

obviously any new custies will have the fee...
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epik

Jan 13, 2010, 12:36 PM
The same way we handle those who bought an Env Touch before November 8th - with faith that the computer will work correctly. I've only seen one fubar on the Env Touch, myself, and we got it fixed eventually.
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Murphy

Jan 13, 2010, 3:05 PM
plain and simple

try to justify this one fanboys
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Menno

Jan 13, 2010, 4:30 PM
You'll notice that most verizon reps are against this one as well.

Way to make a statement before reading the thread
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Murphy

Jan 14, 2010, 6:55 PM
I realize they are mostly against it. but there plenty of vzw brainwashed reps that will somehow try to spin this as a good thing and I wanted to hear their crazy explanations
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 13, 2010, 4:45 PM
So by saying Verizon's greedy, for doing this you're insinuating that they're are taking something from u that u deserve..... so who's really the greedy one?
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Azeron

Jan 13, 2010, 4:58 PM
We're all greedy. I don't see the problem.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 13, 2010, 5:29 PM
i agree....

He wanted to see someone try to defend it... i gave it a shot 🤣
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Murphy

Jan 14, 2010, 6:56 PM
they are greedy because they are charging far more than other carriers
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texaswireless

Jan 14, 2010, 7:00 PM
Are you going to try and argue they are charging more but not offering more?

Do you honestly believe T-Mobile, Sprint, Metro, Cricket, etc. offer that same network coverage and quality as Verizon?
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Murphy

Jan 14, 2010, 7:10 PM
not cricket or t mob. but sprint in my area is actually better
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texaswireless

Jan 14, 2010, 9:22 PM
"In your area"

Are you going to state that Sprint has a better nationwide network compared to Verizon Wireless?

I can tell you 10 different places Sprint works better than Verizon Wireless here. doesn't make them better nationally.
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