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Anyone Else Willing to Say?

60dollarcarcharger

Nov 24, 2009, 12:36 PM
I think that the percentage of people that need data and voice at the same time is less than those that need international coverage...

Translation.... hardly anyone needs either

Anyone else feelin' me on this one?
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andy2373

Nov 24, 2009, 12:50 PM
Need, probably not. But it is cool. I thought they were working on doing it with CDMA?
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60dollarcarcharger

Nov 24, 2009, 1:42 PM
you would need to convert to EVDA? technology instead of EVDO... with the wifi now on some of Verizon's devices you can now do both... kind of waiting for the courts to get involved with those claims now lol
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Azeron

Nov 24, 2009, 2:46 PM
This is probably a question that AJ could help with. There is an upgrade available that would allow for both, but I don't believe Verizon is going to expend resources on further EV-DO upgrades when LTE will resolve the issue in a year in any case.
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Menno

Nov 24, 2009, 7:28 PM
There are upgrades available. There is also EVDV (which sprint tried but dropped) that would allow it.

The really interesting part is there is apparently a "fix" for current RevA set ups that would allow you to use existing towers/devices to do this, but I haven't read into it enough to see how expensive this would be, or if any carrier would invest the money in it.
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CellStudent

Nov 24, 2009, 7:57 PM
Verizon's PTT is a "VOIP-like" service that runs over the data network. With more robust software implementation and migrating all customer's to Rev A handsets, it could be done without a Rev B hardware upgrade.

The problem is that AT&T's converged voice-data network is really their PROBLEM, not their selling point. The reason their service SUCKS in congested areas is because they're using the same spectrum to do voice and data. Verizon would be foolish to walk down that path in the 1900 MHz EVDO spectrum. In the quality vs capability debate, quality wins with Verizon engineers, and that means separate voice and data networks.

LTE is so much more efficient and the available spectrum will be so large that creating a 3G converged net...
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Azeron

Nov 24, 2009, 8:10 PM
CDMA uses separate channels for voice in any case though, correct? I think it would simply be pointless to expend money on EV-DO when LTE is the future. Verizon needs to get the iPhone. It is as simple as that. That is the advantage AT&T has that once removed will level the playing field and THEN we will see what is what.
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CellStudent

Nov 24, 2009, 11:18 PM
CDMA operators CHOOSE to use 2G for voice only and 3G for data only because CDMA 2G is the cheapest spectrally efficient voice technology ever developed. The limitation is not inherent in the technology, just practical in real-world deployment.

As for the iPhone, it would certainly shift the scales if Apple decided to make a CDMA variant, even if only for the unbranded market VZW is finally starting to allow handsets into.

Personally, I don't think a CDMA iPhone is needed to get the smartphone market back in balance. All that's really needed is for other GSM carriers in North America to have the option to activate iPhones without jailbreaking them first. The hordes of iPhone owners out there willing to work on a 2G network in excha...
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300zxATT_VZW

Nov 24, 2009, 1:05 PM
It's pretty convenient. Nobody has ever asked you to look a phone number, address or random information while you were on the phone with them?
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60dollarcarcharger

Nov 24, 2009, 1:44 PM
personally sure... anytime that's happened though its in my address book... didn't have to use the network for both at the same time...

Now that I have a Droid and Wifi and work and home i could do both... not a big inconvience to call them back
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Anxiovert

Nov 24, 2009, 11:58 PM
You may not understand this yet. But sometimes when you use your phone for business, a call back is not an option....
If you're on a conference call that's going to be long, and there's an email that needs to be replied to right away....
If you get a call and you're in the middle of sending an important email....
If you're a busy business man, who's always on the go, on the phone, and who's constantly browsing...

This doesn't apply to a regular Joe who uses his smartphone only to update his Facebook profile, and to post stuff on phonescoop....
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mellowlen62

Nov 25, 2009, 9:31 AM
You have a point there. But what do you businesspeople do when you have no service with AT&T? I mean...or does that never happen?
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Anxiovert

Nov 25, 2009, 3:15 PM
I'm in Florida. Our whole state has 3G on the 850Mhz band now. I have 3G all over Fl. The only time I see my phone switch to SOS mode or no signal/service is while I'm in my elevator (and that's understandable..)
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CellStudent

Nov 25, 2009, 2:03 PM
You mean, an important business person would hold a conference call on an iPhone?

Forget about a callback to look on the Webby to find something- in many cities you would lose the connection and have to call back three times just to finish a 20 minute conference call; even without a data interruption!

For the vast majority of consumers, simultaneous data and data is far more important, i.e. backgrounding 3rd party apps on my BlackBerry, WinMo or Android platform.

The shocking thing here is not that Apple is actually advertising an AT&T feature. THe shocker is that it's an AT&T feature which is LESS useful on the iPhone then any other AT&T smartphone because of inability to multitask data streams on an iPhone.

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Anxiovert

Nov 25, 2009, 3:26 PM
I feel like you're taking this into a totally diff direction... First of all, I do not have an iPhone, nor I want one. I have a BB Bold, and unlike what you may have heard, I can -in fact- carry a conversation and browse the net at the same time with no problem whatsoever. I used not to be able to a few months ago (before the 850MHz overlay) I used to hate it, because I could NOT stream Pandora and browse the net without my songs buffering or just stopping. Things are much better now, streaming Pandora while I browse the net, send/receive emails, MMS, or SMS with 850Mhz is just awesome...

You guys really think that AT&T is not doing anything to repair the network? I mean, seriously?
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Azeron

Nov 26, 2009, 2:58 PM
I think that AT&T has made a business decision not to build 3G in less populated areas. Same thing with Sprint and T-Mobile. If Verizon had not acquired Alltel, they would STILL have larger 3G coverage than the other carriers but not by so much. Alltel specialized in covering rural areas and were pretty much a perfect fit to fill in the spots where Verizon did not cover. Also, face it. Some people only post here to talk up the carrier of their choice and conversely put down the rival carriers. It is just what it is. If that is not your cup of tea you can usually identify them after a few posts and ignore them even when they respond to your posts.
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vzwinagent

Nov 25, 2009, 9:39 PM
I would have a computer in front of me, or at least they probably would. If not, I'd tell them to get off their butt and find their own number or address! lol I surely wouldn't be trying to look up info on my phone while I'm on a phone call... talk about annoying.
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texaswireless

Nov 24, 2009, 2:03 PM
I would say it is one of the very few features I miss from AT&T.
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Azeron

Nov 24, 2009, 2:41 PM
...a cell phone. I have three, however. So yeah, I would LIKE the ability to make voice calls and use the internet on my Curve or XV6900. Is a necessity? No. Do I want the capability? Well...yeah. Not enough to switch carriers (obviously). But if I had a LTE phone that would do both I am sure that I would be pimping it and showing off. I think that it is an attractive feature that AT&T and its customers should be proud of.
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jojo2020

Nov 25, 2009, 11:26 PM
Okay let me put some clarification on this. First off att screwed up with that advertisement because now everybody is going to be trying to be on the phone and web at the same time which in turn is going to clog the network even more. the att spectrum can only hold 8 calls or data per channel compared to verizons 50. Also, what they do not indicate is that this can only be done on their 3g network the edge network does not support data and voice at the same time. So that fact is going to really piss off att customers because to their knowledge they can do both anywhere (the commercial doesn't point this out for their customers). This will cause churn and they'll be running right back into verizons arms. With Verizons network and current line...
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gadgethead

Nov 26, 2009, 8:59 AM
It is somewhat annoying to have to hang up to send someone an e mail then call them back to discuss the information, or picture, in the e mail. It's not something that anyone would use constantly but it would be a nice little extra.
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pwfb

Nov 29, 2009, 2:20 PM
Data and voice at the same time would be GREAT! Often I am on the phone with someone when they send me a file, email, etc. while we are on the phone. I end up hanging up, looking at the file and then calling back. Very annoying.

This is one reason btw that I use to carry two phones (Blackberry and standard phone) up until 6 months ago or so. Ultimately I may go back to carry a desperate device for this reason and others.
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Azeron

Nov 29, 2009, 2:48 PM
I have an 8330 and a LG7000. I am not crazy about the call quality of the Curve in any case. If I could get an iPhone or Vphone to replace both that would be awesome.
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