Verizon Ruins Motorola Phones
I heard from a Motorola engineer that it is the Verizon flash software overlay that causes the problems that Motorola phones have on Verizon's network (freezing, battery issues, charging issues). He said that the same CDMA phones on Alltel's or USCC's network that use the TRUE Motorola software do not have all the problems that the Verizon Motorolas do. Thanks a lot for nothing Verizon, and thanks for ruining the phones with the best RF and voice quality!!!!
After hearing this, I am thinking of porting to USCC and getting a W385, the smartkeys on the outside work like they are supposed to, not disabled like the Verizon version. Also, Sprint has done the same thing, putting their propietary crap software on the Razr V3M. Why can't th...
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After hearing this, I am thinking of porting to USCC and getting a W385, the smartkeys on the outside work like they are supposed to, not disabled like the Verizon version. Also, Sprint has done the same thing, putting their propietary crap software on the Razr V3M. Why can't th...
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spinster said:...
I heard from a Motorola engineer that it is the Verizon flash software overlay that causes the problems that Motorola phones have on Verizon's network (freezing, battery issues, charging issues). He said that the same CDMA phones on Alltel's or USCC's network that use the TRUE Motorola software do not have all the problems that the Verizon Motorolas do. Thanks a lot for nothing Verizon, and thanks for ruining the phones with the best RF and voice quality!!!!
After hearing this, I am thinking of porting to USCC and getting a W385, the smartkeys on the outside work like they are supposed to, not disabled like the Verizon version. Also, Sprint has done the same thing, putting their propietary crap soft
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Not a fan boy of VZW and they DO ruin phones...
Motorola ruins Motorola phones. The suck major a$$. Why are they selling their mobile division? 😉
VZW sux too. 😎
Motorola ruins Motorola phones. The suck major a$$. Why are they selling their mobile division? 😉
VZW sux too. 😎
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RomeApart,
What carrier do you have? I am in the Chicago area and am looking for a new carrier.
Thanks.
What carrier do you have? I am in the Chicago area and am looking for a new carrier.
Thanks.
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VZW - I was an employee.
Their voice service is awesome - but they ruin phones like no one else can. Look at the Voyager... so much potential, yet there is little to nothing new with that phone.
Let down.
Their voice service is awesome - but they ruin phones like no one else can. Look at the Voyager... so much potential, yet there is little to nothing new with that phone.
Let down.
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What carrier would you recommend in the Chicago area, other than Verizon?
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Not sure - can't speak for where I do not live. I am in MD. Sorry, just dont want to give you any mis-information.
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spinster said:
What carrier would you recommend in the Chicago area, other than Verizon?
Thanks.
Try them all. Only you can answer that or someone who lives there.
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Thanks for the advice. All I know is that I have to get away from the dictator Verizon. I refuse to be a part of their arrogant way of doing business. I will probably try USCC.
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That is the way I felt too when I had verizon! I went with Sprint and never looked back, good luck with your choice.
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How is Verizon arrogant? Because of their UI? That doesn't make any sense. Verizon only did it because the General Public is too stupid to read a manual. They rather call CS or go into a store to ask the simplest of questions about how to use their phone. And if their Motorola with their Motorola UI messed up, they didn't want to go to an LG or Samsung because they would have to learn something new. So Verizon made the transition easier. 66 million customer and growing but only a few dozen on phonescoop complain about it. OHA and Google want to standardize phone UI's, just make it easier for developers and users to design widgets and programs on a standard UI that can used on all carriers, all phones. All the manufactures are jumping on the ...
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you're talking about the "UI skin" - thats not a different UI. Call it what it is.
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you are brainwashed or have been on verizon to long, they strip features with that stupid ui!!! but lets face it anyone using verizon doesn't care about having a feature packed phone...veizon is arrogant they believe their own press about having the best network, and they don't. PEOPLE like choice there bud, not the same boring UI on every damn phone, what make one phone different from the next? NOTHING! drives some ppl crazy
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Most people like the ease of changing phones and not having to learn about a new ui. Just because you dont doesnt mean most people agree with you.
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you don't know that, did you poll all 60 million verizon customers????????? noooo! so just because you say so doesn't not make it true..see how that works!!!
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and only 23 people really give a crap about the UI on a handset. You are probably 3 of those 23 people.
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nah i personally know just about 300 ppl that left over that ui, their crappy cs, and ****ty network.
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I don't believe you. And why should I. You come to the VZW forum to troll and create fires. Kinda like attention whores. Look at me, look at me.
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nah you just feel that way cuz you love verizon, which is no different from my dislike of their crippled ui.
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same here. Everything that comes out of his mouth is the color brown just like something else.
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yeah which is fine so you defend them, which is fine too..and i dislike verizon because their phone drove me away..network is good, but their high prices, and boring phones got to me.
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While the iPhone is iconic, I know few people (real, regular people) could name any other handset that at&t carries that other carriers don't.(razr, Blackberry, etc.)
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Astronaut HS 88 said:
While the iPhone is iconic, I know few people (real, regular people) could name any other handset that at&t carries that other carriers don't.(razr, Blackberry, etc.)
I'll admit I wouldn't know what some of the other carriers have, since I haven't done the research on it. I've been with Verizon Wireless since 2002, and will be 6 years next month. I'm one of those who also dislikes the VZW UI, but have put up with it for the network. For me, USCC would be roaming 50%+ just in Lake County Indiana, due to USCC not too eager to expand the network past Crown Point & ST. John Indiana. Sprint would be ok, but haven't been eager to do so. Not only that, a former co-worker of mine got stu...
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Astronaut HS 88 said:
While the iPhone is iconic, I know few people (real, regular people) could name any other handset that at&t carries that other carriers don't.(razr, Blackberry, etc.)
EVERY NEW handset can be in that pot. Veriaon did not get any of those phones until well after they were released on GSM CArriers.
Can you say Nokia N75? N95 ANY SONY ERICCSON?
Most regular everyday Verizon users don't even know what they are missing they have been with Verizon so long. My brother is a die hard Veriaon user because of the "network" OF course he sis not realize he could have saved $400 on his GPS had he bought a Nokia. He is older and could care less about gadgets. Thats Verizon's main market. As ...
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CDMA could have choose to use sim cards they choose not to. For some reason. For that same reason WCDMA can use sim cards but they do not have to. So I am not sure if LTE is the same way as they have a choice.
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wombough said:
CDMA could have choose to use sim cards they choose not to. For some reason. For that same reason WCDMA can use sim cards but they do not have to. So I am not sure if LTE is the same way as they have a choice.
OF COURSE they did not want to use SIM cards. Thats the very thing that allows GSM users to use ANY GSM PHONE and move information from one to another easily without network interference.!!!!!
Veriaon will have to go that route if they want to keep adding young customers. Bet on it.
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well did you poll all 66 million custs. I don't think so. I can tell you one thing. Ive never had a call in about 5 years where a cust complains about the ui. I only see the stupid comments on this site.
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Thank you. I mean this is the most idiotic conversation that is for such a small group of people. Most people like it or dont care. Doesnt matter either way the issues is with moto not wanting to make the ui work like lg has and motorola is really losing out on business.
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of course you do narrow minded verizon employees think alike, wow go team! lol
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wow great thinking you troll. Can you get a life and leave it alone so maybe actual questions can be answered.
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nah just stating my opinion, if you are getting all worked up about nothing i can't help that...just walk away
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🤣 Worked up no. Just like poking trolls like you with a stick. Besides you keep yelling ui sucks like its everyones opinion when its not.
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You havent shown any proof to say otherwise. Like I said ive never had anyone complaign on the phone. So all your doing is crying without any backup besides what 300 people wow thats such a large amount of people. 🤣
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sure i have 300 ppl is proof enough for me, and you haven't shown any proof either except you say your old ppl with verizon love it lol
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Narrow minded? Because I support the company that helps pay my mortgage, car payments and college tuition for my kids?
I don't see how that's narrow minded. I don't think I've bad-mouthed at&t. If I could afford an iPhone, I might think about it, but since my Blackberry does what I need it to do, why be so narrow minded to get one?
I don't see how that's narrow minded. I don't think I've bad-mouthed at&t. If I could afford an iPhone, I might think about it, but since my Blackberry does what I need it to do, why be so narrow minded to get one?
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narrow minded in the sense that you think verizon is all that, and how dare someone dislike their ui..glad verizon is treating you well!
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I didn't say anything about the UI. I don't care either way. I do know my "average" customer likes the same UI across different handsets. Some of them don't like the newer UI's in the newer handsets and opt for the standard VZW UI as a default because of the learning curve.
Now mind you, my average customer is NOT a phone geek. They are older in demographics, and want the reliability of the VZW network. The handset is secondary, at least in my experience.
Now mind you, my average customer is NOT a phone geek. They are older in demographics, and want the reliability of the VZW network. The handset is secondary, at least in my experience.
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yeah verizon is for mom and dad, most phone geeks will not choose verizon..cuz they didn't want crippled phones with that ui...that is why their are better carriers for those ppl, some verizon employee's get so super sensitive over this subject
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My biggest issue is people using the term "crippled".
Most of the options (OBEX) would NEVER be used by the majority of my customers. Yes, there are a few, but they do have the freedom to port out.
If I buy a Tahoe without the OnStar, is that Tahoe considered "crippled". I don't think so.
Yeah, we are fortunate to live in a place where there is choice. But sitting around bashing each other and using incorrect terms just isn't smart.
Most of the options (OBEX) would NEVER be used by the majority of my customers. Yes, there are a few, but they do have the freedom to port out.
If I buy a Tahoe without the OnStar, is that Tahoe considered "crippled". I don't think so.
Yeah, we are fortunate to live in a place where there is choice. But sitting around bashing each other and using incorrect terms just isn't smart.
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so what, that doesn't make any sense that doesn't mean ppl don't hate it... I have seen customers straight up in the store ask about it, bitch about it and then head over to att for a better phone..you're in your own little bubble and that's fine..but it ain't reality.
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Super, great, I try not to sell Moto because the equipment is junk. Moto thinks so too, that's why they're looking to get rid of their handset division.
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moto is not junk they make great phones, moto is crap on verizon cuz of the bunk ui
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awww im sorry you couldnt understand the fact that what you think is important most people dont care about.
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wroing again, just saying there are far more ppl you think that dislike that verizon ui, why you think verizon was choses to open their network..becuause google force them..no! cuz they realize they must change..wireless is changing.. the commie ui can not continue..cuz it sucks and kills freedom of choice.
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I never said it was just you but you cant understand you are the smaller group most people like things being easier. It happens everyday in the us its a part of our everyday lives making things easier. Also vzw opening the network had nothing to do with the ui. There was a class action against various carriers and vzw said they would open it up to other cdma carriers once they tested the device to see how it would work.
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you got to step out of your mom and pop bubble and see how the wireless world is changing, verizon did now you should too...verizon couldn't keep their same business model..it will eventually have failed them...they are rolling with the punches, and are aware their lame ui and restricted way would have to end. go for verizon, but they are still dragging their fist with the open access, it should be interesting to watch..just gald i am on the side of the fence.
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Verizons business model is making large amounts of money. There is no way anyone can say theyre not a profitable business. Maybe you need to open you eyes and actually read up on a company before you try to actually attack it. Your weak attempts at trying to attack vzw are so pathetic. Thanks for giving me someone to laugh at. Without you I might have had a bad day. 🤣
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Verizons business model is making large amounts of money. There is no way anyone can say theyre not a profitable business. Maybe you need to open you eyes and actually read up on a company before you try to actually attack it. Your weak attempts at trying to attack vzw are so pathetic. Thanks for giving me someone to laugh at. Without you I might have had a bad day. 🤣
Indeed they are. But even they realize it will not stay that way if they do not change with the times and give people flexibility, choices and finally open access.
Verizon is living on past accomplishments and their well deserved reputation but is driving using their rear view mirror which is never safe going forward....
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BROWN27 said:
cuz it sucks and kills freedom of choice.
Kinda like the SIM lock on at&t handsets, huh?
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Share with us your wisdom. I buy an iPhone from at&t, can I, using your logic, activate it with TMO 20 minuutes after i buy it from at&t without hacking it?
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Yes, I give a crap about the UI when it causes problems like battery life issues, charging issues, and freezing like Motorola phones do with the new Verizon ui!
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Wrong, it IS a UI issue, because the USCC versions of the W385 and KRZR K1M do NOT have the issues their Verizon counterparts do.
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dssl said:
Most people like the ease of changing phones and not having to learn about a new ui. Just because you dont doesnt mean most people agree with you.
I believe VEriaon does it becasue they want to CREATE the illusion of a strange intimidating interface on NON Verizon phones their customers see on other carriers. Its just another way of instilling fear into their customer to change and keeping it all comfy and easy.
Its purely a business decision that has nothing to do with integrity, rather further control.Something they have built their business on.
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How is Verizon arrogant? Because of their UI? That doesn't make any sense. Verizon only did it because the General Public is too stupid to read a manual. They rather call CS or go into a store to ask the simplest of questions about how to use their phone. And if their Motorola with their Motorola UI messed up, they didn't want to go to an LG or Samsung because they would have to learn something new. So Verizon made the transition easier. 66 million customer and growing but only a few dozen on phonescoop complain about it. OHA and Google want to standardize phone UI's, just make it easier for developers and users to design widgets and programs on a standard UI that can used on all carriers, all phones. All
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bottom line is most could care less. They have 60 million that don't care. There are more CDMA subscribers in the US then GSM. By quite a bit. i want a phone that can make a call and for data. I can care less about GPS. If I wanted it that bad I can get a watch GPS. I can care less about having 3 phones. Again it all comes down to what you want in your phone. but the people that care about the GUI is the minority. If they were not they would change.
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wombough said:
bottom line is most could care less. They have 60 million that don't care. There are more CDMA subscribers in the US then GSM. By quite a bit. i want a phone that can make a call and for data. I can care less about GPS. If I wanted it that bad I can get a watch GPS. I can care less about having 3 phones. Again it all comes down to what you want in your phone. but the people that care about the GUI is the minority. If they were not they would change.
The bottom line is YOU don't care about those things. But enough people apparent;y do care as Verizon is making changes and switching away from their own technology track that make them them more GSM -like You don't see Vodaphone becoming more V...
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you don' t know LTE will require sim or even use them. Its not known yet. As I said CDMA and WCDMA both can and do not need them. Its the operators choice.
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wombough said:
you don' t know LTE will require sim or even use them. Its not known yet. As I said CDMA and WCDMA both can and do not need them. Its the operators choice.
AnD I said yes it is the operators choice. Verizon chose not to go the route of SIMs becasue SIMS allow for the use of any phone and transfer of contacts without Carrier interference. DUH
LTE will use SIMS becasue SIM technology is independent of the actual wireless signal technology as you stated by claiming Verizon apparently could have used SIMS and chose not to.
Its not a matter of NEED. Its a matter of choice. Something you Verizon fans freely give up..While your Carrier is clearly going in the opposite direction.
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Not my carrier. And Sims are not required to be removable. As I said we have no proof they will go with sims. They didn't go with it for their CDMA phones and could have. It can be non removable or removable. Why do you insist on demanding verizon will have sim cards when we won't know until they say they will or a phone comes out and it has one.
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wombough said:
Not my carrier. And Sims are not required to be removable. As I said we have no proof they will go with sims. They didn't go with it for their CDMA phones and could have. It can be non removable or removable. Why do you insist on demanding verizon will have sim cards when we won't know until they say they will or a phone comes out and it has one.
I believe Verizon WILL use SIM cards,They will have the choice not to but they will have to/ They will want to become more GSM like. Especially in a world where network speed and coverage will be equal!!!
They see what you don't. ..The future market will demand choices. The cell phone will and is MORE than just a phone for many. The Telephone...
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What does a sim card have anything to do with that. All a sim card does is allow you to move phones easier. That is it. It has nothing to do with applications or what you can do with a phone.
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wombough said:
What does a sim card have anything to do with that. All a sim card does is allow you to move phones easier. That is it. It has nothing to do with applications or what you can do with a phone.
I find that HUGE. Thats no small thing. Buy any phone pop in the card and all contacts are transfered and you can do all of it in 30 seconds.
IT does not have anything to do with applications. The CARRIER decided which applications will 9or in Verizon's case) will NOT be or be removed from the phone.
The choice not to allow the use of SIM cards by Verizon is very telling and was an indicator of things to come.....(or in Verizon's case) not to come
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Well as I said to another poster that if its like a WCDMA sim they call it a USIM card there is very little you can save to it. 50 contacts and 10 text messages is all. So if that is the case it limits your argument.
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wombough said:
Well as I said to another poster that if its like a WCDMA sim they call it a USIM card there is very little you can save to it. 50 contacts and 10 text messages is all. So if that is the case it limits your argument.
The point is not storage (although) the NEW SIM cards can hold a lot more than 50 contacts. A lot more. Most phones habe at least 2GB storgae available outside the SIM. The SIM is what gives GSM users total flexibility, Take your phone to another country, buy a local SIM card and use your phone and contacts there.
I don't take my N82 to the beach. I put the SIM in an old Sony T637. IF I lose the phone $25 for SIM card. If the phone gets wet throw it away and buy another ba...
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what I am telling you is the WCDMA sim card is not used that way in wcdma they use it only for account data and to storage of your important contacts.
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wombough said:
what I am telling you is the WCDMA sim card is not used that way in wcdma they use it only for account data and to storage of your important contacts.
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Having worked in a sales position for Verizon, the customer response from the UI has been overwhelmingly positive. There are people like you that don't like it, but you're in a very small minority. The older generation (grandparents, parents, etc) love it because they don't have to relearn how to use a phone when they get a new one. I can appreciate your complaints about it, but the majority opinion of the UI is positive.
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I would think so if not they would surly change it. The company is not stupid.
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wombough said:
I would think so if not they would surly change it. The company is not stupid.
And THAT'S why as your moderator himself says.
Is Verizon moving to LTE? Yes. Was LTE developed by the "GSM camp"? Yes. Is the LTE the next technology on the roadmap for GSM carriers, designed to follow GSM and WCDMA? Yes. Is Verizon "switching sides"? Sort of, yes.
Veriaon had the BEST upgrade path to faster data and is claiming to abandon it now. Veria\zon IS changing. They HAVE to. They know it. You guys apparently do not think they need to or even are changing their ways in becoming more like what the majority of the world enjoys.
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LTE is the fastest choice period. They are changing tech. But as I have said we do not know sim cards are used with LTE. Sim cards as I said many times could have been used with CDMA. They are used with most WCDMA but they do not have to be used. Carriers choice. One in japan uses them another does not.
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Having worked in a sales position for Verizon, the customer response from the UI has been overwhelmingly positive. There are people like you that don't like it, but you're in a very small minority. The older generation (grandparents, parents, etc) love it because they don't have to relearn how to use a phone when they get a new one. I can appreciate your complaints about it, but the majority opinion of the UI is positive.
I agree with you. OLDER folks are not tech savvy and don't care to be. Make it easy to upgrade. They dont want to read nothing. Its just a phone.
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That is a bad analogy. If you have say their DVR service you have their version on your TV. As each cable Co has their OWN software for all cable boxes.
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wombough said:
That is a bad analogy. If you have say their DVR service you have their version on your TV. As each cable Co has their OWN software for all cable boxes.
Its a perfect analogy. I have their DVR (I had a choice I chose the SA8300 which is the best you can get right now on ANY cable service) But I did not buy the DVR. I rent it for $6 a month. I don't OWN it. It fails I get another from them FREE! No sign-up for another couple years.
Their SOFTWARE does not keep me from doing whatever I need to do with their service. including recording their programming to my DVD recorder.
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robtheman said:
You don't necessarily buy the receiver with satellite companies.
No you can go the "free" route and get a piece of crap which may not last as long as the agreement you have to sign to get it. Then you will whine when they don't give you another "free" one while still making you pay your contract obligations..
Sound familiar?
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I sold Dish Network and DirecTV for a long time. I really don't think you have any idea how satellite TV works.
I sold Dish Network and DirecTV for a long time. I really don't think you have any idea how satellite TV works.
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robtheman said:
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I sold Dish Network and DirecTV for a long time. I really don't think you have any idea how satellite TV works.
Nor do I care to. I like ON Demand too much.
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I don't care what you do or don't like. Quit using analogies involving things you know nothing about.
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robtheman said:
I don't care what you do or don't like. Quit using analogies involving things you know nothing about.
Who are you? The analogy police? 😕
I will use whatever I need to to make my point. If you don't "get it" read a book or something.
BTW People desperate for a job sell stuff they know nothing about all day long in every state of the union. Go figure.
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It's not that I don't get it. YOU don't get it. You're trying to make a comparison that doesn't work. Then when someone comes along that actually knows better, you look like an idiot. So...I guess if you want to look like an idiot, that's your prerogative. Idiot.
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You're still off base. You're in the minority. The general population doesn't care that much about cell phones. They're just phones. People like you are just technology geeks. There's nothing wrong with that, but at least recognize that you're in the minority.
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Yes, I give a crap about the UI when it causes problems like battery life issues, charging issues, and freezing like Motorola phones do with the new Verizon UI.
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robtheman said:
...so don't get a Motorola phone.
Yeah get a Samsung LOL...and pick up a Microwave and dishwasher while you are at it.
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hell better stay away from Mitsubishi with that thinking. They make home electronics all the way up to TANKS!
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robtheman said:
What does that have to do with anything?
Call me an idiot but I prefer buy a phone from a company who ONLY makes phones. Puts all their R&D dollars into wireless solutions and stays focused on that area.The result is always better. Nokia is the largest phone seller for a reason. (and its not because their phones are cheap ..they aren't)
Thats why I am a Nokia and Sony-Ericsson fan. As Motorola to a lesser extent. They have lost their focus as far as I am concerned. ZForm over function does not work for me. Nokia and SE are in the Phone business. They don't sell washing machines and Toasters.
Its my own opinion and works for me.
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The wireless division of these companies operates independently. That's like saying you're going to buy a Lexus and pick up Toyota components while you're at it. It's retarded. Or, to put it in perspective, like saying you'll buy AT&T wireless service and pick up a DSL modem while you're at it.
Don't be stupid.
Don't be stupid.
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robtheman said:
The wireless division of these companies operates independently. That's like saying you're going to buy a Lexus and pick up Toyota components while you're at it. It's retarded. Or, to put it in perspective, like saying you'll buy AT&T wireless service and pick up a DSL modem while you're at it.
Don't be stupid.
I stand by my statement.
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robtheman said:
Ok. You're stupid.
Coming from you, thats a compliment..... 🙄
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Why is it that LG and Samsung who use the same UI, don't have any problems? The Motorola Rep is making excuses because the engineers were too stupid and too lazy to take off their UI and put the Flash UI that the carrier wanted. Motorola made the phone, Motorola made the UI, both of them, Motorola should fix their phones. No wonder they dropped to 3rd place behind Samsung worldwide, you can't blame Verizon for that.
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motorola puts out crappy phones in general, they had a huge hit with the razr, but have dropped the ball and everything else lately.
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OK, if all of this is true, why does the Moto W385 work perfectly on USCC's network, with absolutely no issues?
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The Motorola W385 is a good phone. I haven't had any bad luck with the mid range/low end Motorolas. The 325/325i battery sucked, but that's the only real issue. My problems have always been with the higher end phones like the RAZR, KRZR, SLVR, etc.
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LordObento said:
Why is it that LG and Samsung who use the same UI, don't have any problems? The Motorola Rep is making excuses because the engineers were too stupid and too lazy to take off their UI and put the Flash UI that the carrier wanted. Motorola made the phone, Motorola made the UI, both of them, Motorola should fix their phones. No wonder they dropped to 3rd place behind Samsung worldwide, you can't blame Verizon for that.
LG and Samsung are huge sellers on Verizon. Not so much on GSM Carriers where Nokia, Sony and Moto are considered the top tier phones. The others are bargain bin phones.
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ok first if that is the case. Then why are all the other manufactures just fine. 2nd you might be able to blame slow menus on ui, but not charging issues and displays going bad.
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I understand that...but all of the Moto phones on the USCC network do not have nearly the issues that the similar models do on the Verizon network because of the crappy UI.
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The battery issues and charging issues can only be hardware. I've seen so many faulty Motorola chargers it's ridiculous. There's no possible way you can blame a bad charger on the Verizon UI. The only things you can blame on the UI are software issues like the freezing up. But...as it has already been said, other manufacturers are doing this with no problems. If you're so worried about the Motorola phones going bad, just get a different phone. Or get a Motorola sold on USCC (like the V3m or something) and flash the Motorola software back on to it. There are many ways around this. I'm not sure why you choose to make a thread to start a flame war.
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i do love the 385, still workinig great for me. That had nothing to do with the original post. ALL in all motorola is junk, i don't push them at all at my store, especially the razr,, but i have sold a lot of 385's and all my customer love them, had very few complaints, it is the only moto i push unless you want to spend the extra $ and get a razr 2.
but historically moto has been putting 90% junk on the market for years now. You can luck out and get a good one, or pick one of the few models that are good.
but historically moto has been putting 90% junk on the market for years now. You can luck out and get a good one, or pick one of the few models that are good.
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I have heard the exact same thing. SOLUTION- Buy and LG. I know Motorola's have the good reception, battery life, and UI that we all love (well, some of us), but there are some good LG's out there with great battery life, decent reception, and, in my opinion, a fairly intuitive UI.
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I remember troubleshooting the original Motorola phones before the overlay. I also remember troubleshooting Samsung & LG before. I also deal with all of them now. I'm fine with saying goodbye to Motorola if VZW is. It's fine and dandy to blame the problems on the VZW overlay, but I find it terribly amusing that Motorola can't overcome the problems on their phones that LG and Samsung, much smaller companies, can overcome. Sounds like making excuses to me.
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I remember troubleshooting the original Motorola phones before the overlay. I also remember troubleshooting Samsung & LG before. I also deal with all of them now. I'm fine with saying goodbye to Motorola if VZW is. It's fine and dandy to blame the problems on the VZW overlay, but I find it terribly amusing that Motorola can't overcome the problems on their phones that LG and Samsung, much smaller companies, can overcome. Sounds like making excuses to me.
I think Motorola would rather spend it's money and R&D dealing with 2 Billiom GSM buyers who will buy their phone as intended rather then 60 million Verizon users who's Carrier messes with the internals. They put 1/2 the processor in the V3m as...
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you know that argument is so not true. Japan is the only yes only country that uses WCDMA for both. Meaning you may have about 100 mill in japan that has a cell phone. YET wait for it wait for it they still have all kinds of good phones from all kinds of manufacturer. So if they will make it for one country with 2 carriers they will make if for one country with 6 carriers or the other 60 to 100 countries that have CDMA now. Get over that whole concept its mute.
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you know that argument is so not true. Japan is the only yes only country that uses WCDMA for both. Meaning you may have about 100 mill in japan that has a cell phone. YET wait for it wait for it they still have all kinds of good phones from all kinds of manufacturer. So if they will make it for one country with 2 carriers they will make if for one country with 6 carriers or the other 60 to 100 countries that have CDMA now. Get over that whole concept its mute.
Sorry I don't agree. If it were my business I am offering the phone to Verizon to use as is. If Verizon wants to mess up the internals as was designed by MOTOROLA, they should not have to right Verizon's wrong and focus on the huger m...
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You been to Japan? I am telling you all the companies make and cater to the smallest technology in the world like they were the largest. To include MOTO.
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You been to Japan? I am telling you all the companies make and cater to the smallest technology in the world like they were the largest. To include MOTO.
Really then why doesn't the largest maker of cell hones bother with Verizon? Nokia!!!
I have been to Japan three times and lived there for a month when I was in the service. I spent the 2K New Year in Japan.
Companies cater to their biggest customers more then smaller ones. Its business. Good business to do so. Verizon is but a blip in their total phone sales worldwide. Sony and Nokia won't even bother making phones for Verizon. Maybe will make and entry level free phone for them, But all Verizon "Nokias" were rebadged Pantechs o...
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Nokia doesn't bother with CDMA that is their choice. And I have spent over 3 years in Japan. And they have some of the best phones in the world. Funny considering they are the smallest customer for the phone makers.
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Nokia doesn't bother with CDMA that is their choice. And I have spent over 3 years in Japan. And they have some of the best phones in the world. Funny considering they are the smallest customer for the phone makers.
There is no Verizon screwing up the phones in Japan.
Like Sprint for example they use the same technology as Verizon yet they did not cripple the GPS in the BB!!
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And no nokia either on sprint! And Japan cell phone carriers have allot of control their is only 3 of them. Two on WCDMA and one on CDMA. imagine only 3 here? What kind of control you think they would have?
Japan does not allow their sim cards to be used in any non carrier phone. So what do you say to that?
Japan does not allow their sim cards to be used in any non carrier phone. So what do you say to that?
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wombough said:
Japan does not allow their sim cards to be used in any non carrier phone. So what do you say to that?
I say thats too bad for the Japanese.
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You missed the point as always. The carrier dictates what to do. So even it and thats a if verizon uses LTE they can limit what you do with it. They can even make it that the sim in the phone only works in that phone.
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You missed the point as always. The carrier dictates what to do. So even it and thats a if verizon uses LTE they can limit what you do with it. They can even make it that the sim in the phone only works in that phone.
I don't doubt that. But it will be to Verizon's peril to keep doing business as if it were the year 2000
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you are the minority. People dont go to a carrier because they can switch phones. Most people don't want to deal with two phones. Or most can't afford it. Some yes maybe 2% of the 60 million that verizon has would like that feature. But its not a deal breaker.
however I do totally agree with you about crippling of features on a phone. They should not do that. And that for some will be a deal breaker more so then the sim issue.
however I do totally agree with you about crippling of features on a phone. They should not do that. And that for some will be a deal breaker more so then the sim issue.
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Even when nokia made phones for verizon they still weren't good.. same with SE. Well before the UI was ever dreamed of.
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Yeah lkeep dodging the fact that no other carrier has as crappy phones as MOTO and no other carrier has problems with the UI overlay.
Face moto sucks. they've done nothing new since the Razr. eerything they release looks like the Razr in some form. and they all around suck.
Btw the Moto q has no VZW overlay what so ever and that think is worse than a troubled kid on crack.
Try to manually program the phoen and out of no where it goes back to the main screen. It skips letters, changed letters to numbers AND it has a known issue of sending sms messages to random people in your contact list as emails rather then sending them as test messages to the recipent.
To be honest they havn't gotten a phone right since the E-815.
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Face moto sucks. they've done nothing new since the Razr. eerything they release looks like the Razr in some form. and they all around suck.
Btw the Moto q has no VZW overlay what so ever and that think is worse than a troubled kid on crack.
Try to manually program the phoen and out of no where it goes back to the main screen. It skips letters, changed letters to numbers AND it has a known issue of sending sms messages to random people in your contact list as emails rather then sending them as test messages to the recipent.
To be honest they havn't gotten a phone right since the E-815.
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Yeah lkeep dodging the fact that no other carrier has as crappy phones as MOTO and no other carrier has problems with the UI overlay.
Face moto sucks. they've done nothing new since the Razr. eerything they release looks like the Razr in some form. and they all around suck.
Btw the Moto q has no VZW overlay what so ever and that think is worse than a troubled kid on crack.
Try to manually program the phoen and out of no where it goes back to the main screen. It skips letters, changed letters to numbers AND it has a known issue of sending sms messages to random people in your contact list as emails rather then sending them as test messages to the recipent.
To be honest they havn't gotten a pho
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Phone makers make a phone to the carriers specs. For many reason price is one of them..
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Phone makers make a phone to the carriers specs. For many reason price is one of them..
Thats why Verizon's phones are crippled! For other carriers they make phones to deal with the TECHNICAL aspect of the network, NOT phone features. ATT has never messed with a phone to limit it's capability in any way.
Verizon is the only Carrier to dictate which features to take out or limit.
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Dude who cares about the V3M? The Razr sucks a$$ dude. Every razr i have seen not just VZW's i can't stand the handset and they are all flakey.
I'm talking moto as a whole not the 1 phone you can find with a spec that's different from a gsm version. ALL of moto's phones suck.
So go back to your moto rep and ask him. If the VZW overlay is so bad about crashing phones why is it id doesn't crash samsung or LG? and see what kind if ridiculous excuse he can come up with.
Seriously Motorola the Giant wonder company can't figure out how to make a phoen work with the same overlay that at least 3 other smaller manufactures have no problems with.
Face the facts, smell the coffee and come to grips with reality.
I'm talking moto as a whole not the 1 phone you can find with a spec that's different from a gsm version. ALL of moto's phones suck.
So go back to your moto rep and ask him. If the VZW overlay is so bad about crashing phones why is it id doesn't crash samsung or LG? and see what kind if ridiculous excuse he can come up with.
Seriously Motorola the Giant wonder company can't figure out how to make a phoen work with the same overlay that at least 3 other smaller manufactures have no problems with.
Face the facts, smell the coffee and come to grips with reality.
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and for that matter why is it moto can't do anything new? Every phone thy come out with is some variant of the Razr form factor now.
And as i mentioned the moto q on it's NATIVE os (vzw had no overlay for that phone) was still an absolute joke.
1) send an sms and it might send the sms as an email to some one else on your contacts other than the person you were sending it to.
2) the phone q had seroius memory issues.
3) the phone would randomply just go back to the home screen in multiple diffrent apps or just while programming the phone . for no reason.
4) the q would intermittantly and randomly start entering number instead of letters
5) pull the battery from the phone and thers a 20% chance the phone wipes like it d...
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And as i mentioned the moto q on it's NATIVE os (vzw had no overlay for that phone) was still an absolute joke.
1) send an sms and it might send the sms as an email to some one else on your contacts other than the person you were sending it to.
2) the phone q had seroius memory issues.
3) the phone would randomply just go back to the home screen in multiple diffrent apps or just while programming the phone . for no reason.
4) the q would intermittantly and randomly start entering number instead of letters
5) pull the battery from the phone and thers a 20% chance the phone wipes like it d...
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Dude who cares about the V3M? The Razr sucks a$$ dude. Every razr i have seen not just VZW's i can't stand the handset and they are all flakey.
I'm talking moto as a whole not the 1 phone you can find with a spec that's different from a gsm version. ALL of moto's phones suck.
So go back to your moto rep and ask him. If the VZW overlay is so bad about crashing phones why is it id doesn't crash samsung or LG? and see what kind if ridiculous excuse he can come up with.
Seriously Motorola the Giant wonder company can't figure out how to make a phoen work with the same overlay that at least 3 other smaller manufactures have no problems with.
Face the facts, smell the coffee and come to grips with
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Not true. I sold Nextel for years. Once upon a time their phones were decent. The last few years they have went to trash.
I also know many a Razr customer that have had nothing but problems...regardless of carrier.
I also know many a Razr customer that have had nothing but problems...regardless of carrier.
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Because why should you get free ringones and songs via bluetooth when you can buy Verizon's and Sprint's ringtones and songs?! (I'm not talking smack, just being honest. Verizon has many great qualities, as does Sprint; but this one blows.)
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V60S(v60i was fine), T720/730, V265/260, V276, 710(yes I know I will get slammed for this one), Q, V120. I'm sure I'm missing some but all these phones were crap.. Guess what all motos. None of these had the VZW UI, so that tells me its not the UI its Moto. Plus I believe that the new software version on the razr's actually works fairly well with the UI.
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Thank you!
Motos didn't start geting the VZW UI overlay till the Razr ...
But they were being crippled and made impotent LONG before that by Big Red.
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Out of all the ones I mentioned none of them but the 710 had bluetooth so what was crippled on the rest? Oh and the Q.
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Out of all the ones I mentioned none of them but the 710 had bluetooth so what was crippled on the rest? Oh and the Q.
I really do not thing Moto has put 100% interest into the CDMA products. They are a huge international company and 2 Billion world wide GSM subscribers are far more important then 400 Million CDMA users. Ya think. Nokia and SE don't even chase that market and Nokia is the largest phone maker in the world as well.
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It has nothing to do with how much effort moto puts into cdma vs gsm, the fact of the matter is moto sucks regardless of carrier. Besides what do you care about moto for? You love up your nokia so why would you even worry about what moto does.
As far as nokia not making a cdma phone, that has a little to do with the fact that nokia wanted to use their own chipset instead of qualcomms a few years back. Yeah nokia tried but their phones blew a$$. I think that has more to do with it than gsm being used in the majority of the world. I will admit that does help get newer phones faster because it is a bigger market. That being said why does nokia keep trying to get back into cdma? So it does seem like they are chasing the cdma user marke...
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As far as nokia not making a cdma phone, that has a little to do with the fact that nokia wanted to use their own chipset instead of qualcomms a few years back. Yeah nokia tried but their phones blew a$$. I think that has more to do with it than gsm being used in the majority of the world. I will admit that does help get newer phones faster because it is a bigger market. That being said why does nokia keep trying to get back into cdma? So it does seem like they are chasing the cdma user marke...
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It has nothing to do with how much effort moto puts into cdma vs gsm, the fact of the matter is moto sucks regardless of carrier. Besides what do you care about moto for? You love up your nokia so why would you even worry about what moto does.
As far as nokia not making a cdma phone, that has a little to do with the fact that nokia wanted to use their own chipset instead of qualcomms a few years back. Yeah nokia tried but their phones blew a$$. I think that has more to do with it than gsm being used in the majority of the world. I will admit that does help get newer phones faster because it is a bigger market. That being said why does nokia keep trying to get back into cdma? So it does seem like
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Motorola ruins Motorola phones by their inability/unwillingness to do simple programing.
VZW assigns a template that the menu system must follow/look like. Motorola doesnt really care enough to make a good phone so they just tried to stick the template over their own menu system instead of making the template into the system, and thus there were problems.
If you notice, Motorola phones also dont have themes like LG and Samsung phones do, its because Motorola software people just dont care, they dont see the interface as an important part of the phone, it is just there to get to settings.
As for other carriers moto phones.. yes, they have problems too. Dont try to blame VZW for motos problems. Go to any carrier forum and ask what the ...
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VZW assigns a template that the menu system must follow/look like. Motorola doesnt really care enough to make a good phone so they just tried to stick the template over their own menu system instead of making the template into the system, and thus there were problems.
If you notice, Motorola phones also dont have themes like LG and Samsung phones do, its because Motorola software people just dont care, they dont see the interface as an important part of the phone, it is just there to get to settings.
As for other carriers moto phones.. yes, they have problems too. Dont try to blame VZW for motos problems. Go to any carrier forum and ask what the ...
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Motorola ruins Motorola phones by their inability/unwillingness to do simple programing.
VZW assigns a template that the menu system must follow/look like. Motorola doesnt really care enough to make a good phone so they just tried to stick the template over their own menu system instead of making the template into the system, and thus there were problems.
If you notice, Motorola phones also dont have themes like LG and Samsung phones do, its because Motorola software people just dont care, they dont see the interface as an important part of the phone, it is just there to get to settings.
As for other carriers moto phones.. yes, they have problems too. Dont try to blame VZW for motos problems. Go to an
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After spending a considerable amount of time reading through this forum, reading argument after argument from one stubborn person to the next stubborn person, I can't help but get a kick out of how hard headed people can be. Guess that's why debating can cause people to get so hot headed.
As for Motorola phones being ruined by Verizon. You can argue all you want that it's Motorola's fault or whatever but a perfect example of why it is accurate that Verizon cripples and/or ruins their phones is this:
OPP profile of bluetooth. All Motorola V3m's have this capability. Which allows people to transfer information such as ringtones, pictures ect to another phone with the object push profile for free. How convenient it is that only Veriz...
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As for Motorola phones being ruined by Verizon. You can argue all you want that it's Motorola's fault or whatever but a perfect example of why it is accurate that Verizon cripples and/or ruins their phones is this:
OPP profile of bluetooth. All Motorola V3m's have this capability. Which allows people to transfer information such as ringtones, pictures ect to another phone with the object push profile for free. How convenient it is that only Veriz...
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After spending a considerable amount of time reading through this forum, reading argument after argument from one stubborn person to the next stubborn person, I can't help but get a kick out of how hard headed people can be. Guess that's why debating can cause people to get so hot headed.
As for Motorola phones being ruined by Verizon. You can argue all you want that it's Motorola's fault or whatever but a perfect example of why it is accurate that Verizon cripples and/or ruins their phones is this:
OPP profile of bluetooth. All Motorola V3m's have this capability. Which allows people to transfer information such as ringtones, pictures ect to another phone with the object push profile for free.
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