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Personally, I Hope Verizon Loses the Quarter -=-=-

SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 1:46 PM
Well, between the Amp'd debacle and the iPhone launch weekend helping out ATT's Q2 results, looks like its going to be one of those rare quarters where Verizon loses to someone else in net customer adds.

Personally, I think that's actually a GOOD thing. VZW needs a kick in their complacency. Customers endlessly complain that:

- the data plans are not competitive, price-wise
- the phone lineup, while improved, is still lacking
- VZW prepay is lame beyond recognition
- crippled Bluetooth pisses them off


... and yet its like Verizon is sitting there with their hands over their ears, yelling "Lalalalalala, I can't HEAR you (now)." 🀣

I guess they only thing they hear is when ATT punches them in the face (Sprint sure...
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Cellenator

Jul 19, 2007, 1:53 PM
I agree, but I don't think one lost quarter will have any significant impact on their arrogance ☹️
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 1:55 PM
Cellenator said:
I agree, but I don't think one lost quarter will have any significant impact on their arrogance ☹️

Meh. Two or three lost quarters in a row, then. It's not impossible, even though ATT does strike me as a carrier fully capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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drksyde

Jul 19, 2007, 1:55 PM
Maybe this will.... No wonder VZW stock is valued so low. Thats a huge debt load.

Verizon Wireless has waited more than 46 days for Amp'd to pay off its debts while it slogs through its Chapter 11, but Vodafone, the 45 percent stakeholder in Verizon Wireless said VZW should pay off its $12 billion in debts by 2009. Vodafone says it will have to wait another couple of years before receiving profits from its minority stake in the U.S. carrier. Under the current agreement, Vodafone receives no dividends from Verizon Wireless and does not have the power to change that cash return policy. Vodafone recently denied a report that it was mulling a $160 billion bid for Verizon Communications, the other parent company of Verizon Wireless.

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robtheman

Jul 19, 2007, 2:08 PM
SystemShock said:
-the data plans are not competitive, price-wise


This is true. They're getting better with the unlimited text options and that sort of thing, but their unlimited data on PDAs is weak.

SystemShock said:
- the phone lineup, while improved, is still lacking


The only time I ever see this complaint is on phonescoop. I really don't understand it either. As of this post, there were 30 phones on the website. How much selection do you really need?

SystemShock said:
- VZW prepay is lame beyond recognition


While I think the prepaid plans leave some to be desired, 90% of the potential prepay customers I talk to think it'...
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cwcanty

Jul 19, 2007, 3:14 PM
yeah I think people take views on this forum and think that the masses feel the same way. This forum in no way, shape, or form represents a random sampling of cell users.

Most of us are knowledgeable and want the latest and greatest technology so nothing will ever satisfy us.

90% just want a phone with 9 numbers that is durable, maybe has a few common features, and will last as long as possible.

Chris
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:25 PM
cwcanty said:

90% just want a phone with 9 numbers that is durable, maybe has a few common features, and will last as long as possible.

Chris


Then why is the RAZR so popular? 🀣
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robtheman

Jul 19, 2007, 4:44 PM
Who knows?
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cwcanty

Jul 20, 2007, 10:43 AM
The razr only got popular when it dropped in price...now its a reasonably priced phone with a nice feature set. Thats why its popular...plus it looks good! lol

Chris
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 4:51 PM
cwcanty said:
90% just want a phone with 9 numbers that is durable, maybe has a few common features, and will last as long as possible.

I would hope for 10 numbers, myself. Dialing without a '0' would be a b*tch. 😳
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 3:50 PM
Is there ANYTHING worse than crippled bluetooth? I mean, c'mon! πŸ™„ If my refrigerator quit and all the food in it went bad, it would never be worse than crippled bluetooth!

I'm thinking of picketing my local Verizon store with some of my fellow disgruntled cellphone enthusiasts in hopes of making the statement that VZW needs to forever put an end to crippling the bluetooth feature on its handsets.

I think I'll dress up like Moses, and I will be symbolically "leading my people out" of Verizon bondage, taking them to the land where there will be no more cripples, especially bluetooth!

🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 🀣 :l...
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 3:52 PM
Can you hear me now?
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robtheman

Jul 19, 2007, 4:44 PM
Dress up like Moses and part the red V.
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wnrussell

Jul 19, 2007, 6:48 PM
The Maxx and LG 9900 have full stack Bluetooth. The 9900 also has direct BT printing.
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robtheman

Jul 20, 2007, 12:20 AM
Can they transfer files from one phone to another? It's still crippled. It's just less crippled than it was before.
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SystemShock

Jul 20, 2007, 3:25 AM
robtheman said:
Can they transfer files from one phone to another? It's still crippled. It's just less crippled than it was before.

You're right that there's still restrictions. These are the bluetooth specs for the RAZR Maxx, from VZW's own website:

The MOTORAZR maxx Ve supports the following Bluetooth Profiles: Headset, Hands–free, Serial Port, Dial Up Networking, Stereo Headset Support for Listening to Music, File Transfer & Object Push for user generated image/video & vCard only. It does not support all Bluetooth object transfer (OBEX) profiles.
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 4:07 PM
robtheman said:
SystemShock said:
-the data plans are not competitive, price-wise

This is true. They're getting better with the unlimited text options and that sort of thing, but their unlimited data on PDAs is weak.

No argument there. They oughta fix that, if they're smart.


SystemShock said:
- the phone lineup, while improved, is still lacking

The only time I ever see this complaint is on phonescoop. I really don't understand it either. As of this post, there were 30 phones on the website. How much selection do you really need?

It's not so much a problem of quantity, but of quality.

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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:23 PM
Well said!!!
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:32 PM
SystemShock said:

If you look at VZW's phone line-up, at the low-end you see a lot of bottom feeder UT Starcom-made stuff ('Verizon CDM-whatever). And once in a blue moon the occassional Kyocera that no one cares about. What's the point of clogging the lineup with that crap, when Samsung and LG make good entry-level phones? Price alone? Heck, the LG 3400 would be free with a 2-year, if they lowered the price ten bucks.

It is free, online at least.

At the high end, its no secret that Blackberry folks want the Curve bad, and that smartphone/PDA users are not so happy with their limited selection. You hear that plenty even outside of Phonescoop. And, of course, people want an alternative
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robtheman

Jul 19, 2007, 4:57 PM
SystemShock said:
It's not so much a problem of quantity, but of quality.

If you look at VZW's phone line-up, at the low-end you see a lot of bottom feeder UT Starcom-made stuff ('Verizon CDM-whatever). And once in a blue moon the occassional Kyocera that no one cares about. What's the point of clogging the lineup with that crap, when Samsung and LG make good entry-level phones? Price alone? Heck, the LG 3400 would be free with a 2-year, if they lowered the price ten bucks.


That's probably true. On the other hand, it's not too hard to bump someone from free to $10 if you tell them it's going to work a lot better.

SystemShock said:
At the high end, its no secret that
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temp_name

Jul 19, 2007, 8:54 PM
SystemShock said:
robtheman said:
SystemShock said:
- crippled Bluetooth pisses them off

Again, the only time I ever hear this complaint is on phonescoop. Most average customers don't even know the full capabilities of bluetooth. I still get people saying that they want that blue thing on their phone. I had one teenage girl saying that she needed to get a phone with bluetooth to her mom. I told her that her phone already has bluetooth on it. She said: "Really? What does bluetooth do anyway?" So while it may piss off the 5 or 6 people that complain about it on here, it's hardly an issue worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things.

I'd agree that
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psuadam2007

Jul 19, 2007, 2:47 PM
Due to all of the above, plus that crappy, crappy UI.

Actually, I wouldn't doubt it if T-Mobile, sometime in the near-to-distant future, becomes the #1 CDMA carrier in the U.S. They're already #3 overall, but their execs need to invest in decent technology and then they will take over the market. (Which is why I'm porting to AT&T, not them) ;)
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vzw-csr21

Jul 19, 2007, 2:58 PM
😳 Ummmmmmm T-Mobile uses GSM.
please think before you speak.

πŸ‘€
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 2:58 PM
T-Mobile is GSM.
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psuadam2007

Jul 19, 2007, 3:01 PM
Oh, I know what confused me...all the talk about WCDMA.

Whoops. (and yes, I read articles about T-Mobile and WCDMA)
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 3:04 PM
psuadam2007 said:
Oh, I know what confused me...all the talk about WCDMA.

Whoops. (and yes, I read articles about T-Mobile and WCDMA)

It's an easy mistake to make. 3G GSM is borrowing from CDMA technology, because its better (hence the 'WCDMA'). Though GSM fanbois will spit up blood before admitting it. 😲
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psuadam2007

Jul 19, 2007, 3:06 PM
Eh, honestly I prefer the mechanics of GSM with the easy-to-transfer SIM card to CDMA's horribly annoying coding.

Though, if WCDMA becomes industry standard I will be a happy, happy person.
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 3:12 PM
I can't say I'm a big GSM fan.

Yes, SIM cards are cool, but CDMA's soft hand-offs, higher tower capacity, and better sensitivity to weak signals (all else being equal) usually equals a better user experience. It's really hard for me to remember the last time I dropped a call. And unlike my ATT-using friends, I seldom have a call garbled or jacked up in any way.

If you can find a good GSM network where you live, more power to you, but CDMA has always worked better for me.
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:23 PM
T-Mobile's GSM network seems better than AT&T's. I have a Nokia 8890 on T-Mobile and it works well. But I'm in total agreement about AT&T network. Total junk.
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warrior9783

Jul 19, 2007, 6:31 PM
CDMA is definately the way to go. More secure, better quality and like previously stated... more call capacity per tower. T-Mobile is a good company, but they don't even have a single store in the state I live in.
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wombough

Jul 19, 2007, 10:17 PM
There is only one carrier and one only in the US that can say they built their network from the ground up. They did not buy others to make theirs. I won't give any names as you all know who it is. ATT, Tmobile, verizon all bought up other carriers to get were they are. And in doing that may have inherited a bad network in that area and didn't want to fix it do to cost!
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Green Jeep

Jul 22, 2007, 6:35 AM
wombough said:
There is only one carrier and one only in the US that can say they built their network from the ground up. They did not buy others to make theirs. I won't give any names as you all know who it is. ATT, Tmobile, verizon all bought up other carriers to get were they are. And in doing that may have inherited a bad network in that area and didn't want to fix it do to cost!


That's kind of an odd statement. Reason I say so; sat, for instance, that VZW is upgrading it whole network to next gen technologies, wouldn't that be a 'fix'? Verizon has upgraded it's network to 1x and is nearly don't with a full network overhaul to Rev A. Perhaps with Tmob and att, which have some skanky old TDMA sites run...
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wombough

Jul 22, 2007, 6:54 AM
your kind of right but I can guarantee VZW did not upgrade their voice technology that they acquired unless it needed to be fixed. EVDO is entirely different. 1x runs off the same channel as voice evdo does not. Its separate. ANd sprint has tended. They have a larger voice area then anyone per population. And their network will be evdo rev a by 2008. And wimax deployed next year too. I don't see anyone coming close to them. I still hate sprint at this moment though. But it is going to be interesting in the future. Verizon needs to change as it soon will be seeing huge loses if they keep as business as usual!
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:22 PM
CDMA is capable of using a SIM card type technology. Verizon just does not wish to employee it. Korean CDMA carriers use it. It's called R-UIM cards. Same deal as SIM cards.
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cwcanty

Jul 19, 2007, 2:58 PM
your completely right! HOpefully this is really going to change the way verizon approaches the market. There is a lot of changes that need to be made at verizon and they have been slow to make em.

The iphone may not be as spectacular as everyone had hoped, but it has and will continue to force the marketplace to evolve and become more innovative with both phones and price plans.

Get some PDA's and Blackberries out VZW! and lower your data to $25-30 for unlimited data/BBerry service.

Chris
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:20 PM
$30 data is still bad. I was talking to a guy in Pakistan and he only pays $7 for unlimited data on his S60 smartphone.
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sangyup81

Jul 19, 2007, 4:55 PM
it probably costs the Pakistani carrier that much less to provide data too
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cwcanty

Jul 20, 2007, 10:44 AM
$30 is not terrible its about what other carriers do..atleast for blackberry

Att BB--$30-45

Verizon BB--$30-45

Sprint BB--$I think its $30

Tmobile--Who the hell knows, Tmo sux.
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 20, 2007, 12:29 PM
Sprint is $40/month for BB but it also includes tethering.
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Yean

Jul 20, 2007, 1:40 PM
$69.99 for world wide
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:17 PM
I'd love cheaper data.
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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:22 PM
SERO 15 bucks my DLX is on its way 😁
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:24 PM
Platypus said:
SERO 15 bucks my DLX is on its way 😁


Yeah if Verizon doesn't make data cheaper and less restrictive (I want my Slingbox!!) I'm totally switching to Sprint.
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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:27 PM
savings@srpint.com doesn't work anymore so you'll need to know someone. 1250 mins, unlimited data and text for fifty bucks! nights at 7pm 😁
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:33 PM
😳 Doesn't work anymore!?! No!!!!!

It worked recently! 😒
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:35 PM
Well they just lost a customer!
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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:36 PM
If you really want one I have one you can use.
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Wireless Buddy

Jul 19, 2007, 4:38 PM
Well I'm not going to switch until my Verizon contract is up. Thanks anyway though. Actually, my aunt used to work for Sprint and she still has friends that still do, so I'm set. 😎
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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:39 PM
Cool 😎
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 4:48 PM
Platypus said:
savings@srpint.com doesn't work anymore so you'll need to know someone. 1250 mins, unlimited data and text for fifty bucks! nights at 7pm 😁

Yeah, but don't do the funky chicken dance in the end zone just yet. Remember your experience with ATT and the iPhone?

There's a reason why Sprint's offering plans for so cheap... its 'cuz they HAVE to. And even with that, customers are still leaving them in droves. Check out their last quarter results sometime. 😲

However, with luck, you may win the game of Russian roulette that is Sprint's network. I hope it works out for ya.
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Platypus

Jul 19, 2007, 4:51 PM
I have 30 days to test the waters, it can't be as bad the iphone/ATT 😳 . The majority of the custy leaving Sprint is our on the IDEN side...well see at least its CDMA so I stand a fair shot of being satisfied.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 5:01 PM
🀣
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 5:04 PM
Yeah-hh... being a Sprint troll isn't as cool as your mom told you it was.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 5:06 PM
That's "Mr. Troll" to you! πŸ˜›
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 5:11 PM
Will you settle for a "Dr. Dumbass" instead?
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 5:40 PM
I dunno? Are you seeing any new patients?
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 6:02 PM
Only your mom. She complained of having an abortion 38 years ago that didn't quite take.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 6:25 PM
You're about as funny as a screen door on a submarine!

BTW, you know the old cliche "don't quit your day job"? Well, it doesn't apply here, because anyone in sales who hopes the person signing their paycheck loses money should be exploring other career goals.
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 9:00 PM
Yeah, nice comeback there, turbo. You really brought the pain.

Oh, and I don't work for VZW.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 9:21 PM
But you do sell their products, right? 🀨 If not, then your original post is totally confusing! πŸ˜•

Sorry I "brought the pain" 😒 , try a little ice, always works for me.
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 9:34 PM
Nope, I sell nothing. Well, your mom's collar and chewtoys. But she tips well.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 10:13 PM
All the "customer" talk threw me off.

Oh well. BTW, "yo mama" jokes are about as cool and trendy as parachute pants and Coleco video games.
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SystemShock

Jul 20, 2007, 12:10 AM
jrfdsf said:
BTW, "yo mama" jokes are about as cool and trendy as parachute pants and Coleco video games.

Waaah. Its only mama jokes, no reason to get butt-hurt.

Now go walk your mom. I did it last time.
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jrfdsf

Jul 20, 2007, 5:57 AM
SystemShock said:

Now go walk your mom. I did it last time.


I would, but I'm too busy trying to help my buddy figure out how to "uncripple" his bluetooth.
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psuadam2007

Jul 19, 2007, 5:10 PM
So when is verizon going to buy sprint out of bankruptcy?
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SystemShock

Jul 19, 2007, 5:12 PM
I'd give it a couple of weeks.
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jrfdsf

Jul 19, 2007, 5:05 PM
I hope if they do lose the quarter, I find it, and it's one of the 50 states I don't already have!
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lilgabe1

Jul 20, 2007, 11:16 AM
I understand your logic...but not sure if pricing is going to be changed anytime soon...I doubt it actually.
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