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Why is Verizon behind the times for PDA's releases???

pittball7

May 27, 2007, 10:31 PM
I have been a Verizon Subscriber for many years now and why is it that I can go on Cingular's website and find 13 PDA/Smartphones and verizon has only 8. But in that 8, they have an old no good Blackberry 7250 and 7130e, both are old. Then throw in the old UT 6700 and basically your picking from their newest blackberry, very nice looking or a terrible quality Moto Q. Believe me I have it and it sux. So basically you can either buy the Treo, the Q, or the newest blackberry. Does verizon not care about the smartphone market?? It's terrible to see them spending their money on these damn T.V phones and service. Who gives a Flying Fig if you can watch T.V on your phone. No wonder most business professionals steer away from their company. ...
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crazyeaglefan236

May 27, 2007, 10:38 PM
BB8703e is a nice device. I have sold a ton of the "q's" and they all love their phones. I had the Treo 700w and it didn't have enough memory. I have the 700wx and am loving it.


I have alot of business people switching from Sprint/Nextel to VZW (the only national carriers available in my area) like crazy.

National numbers don't lie either. For the past two years VZW has beat every carrier. So they must be doing something right?
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chocolateman85006

May 27, 2007, 10:39 PM
I have a 700wx and a 6700. I've tried the Q, and damn near went insane. With the exception of the Q, Verizon is clearly the best!!
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loumacuser

Jun 3, 2007, 7:31 PM
I am using a Treo 650, had a Q and went back to the 650. Ordered a Treo 70p but not activated yet. Q form factor is grat, works great as a phone however all else including batter lif eis poor. New BB8803 looks great.. but my 8700c is poor as a phone
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joey301

Nov 5, 2007, 11:08 AM
Hmm,
I really like my Q. I must be doing something wrong then.
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katrina

May 28, 2007, 2:11 PM
crazyeaglefan236 said:
National numbers don't lie either. For the past two years VZW has beat every carrier. So they must be doing something right?


In what metric? Gross adds?
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chocolateman85006

May 27, 2007, 10:38 PM
As a Cingular warranty rep and a Verizon user, I can honestly say that they only have a few good PDA/Smartphones in my opinion {3125 & Treo 750}. The rest are bitched about constantly for various reasons, especially the 8125, Treos 650 & 680, and the Pearl. Just because you have more doesn't mean that you're the best.
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irishgirl

May 27, 2007, 10:51 PM
the phones may not be up to par in your opinion but the network is superior and there will be newer and better pdas comming ....
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chocolateman85006

May 27, 2007, 10:52 PM
I wouldn't complain about Cingular/at&t's phones if people didn't bite my head off about them on a daily basis.
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pittball7

May 27, 2007, 11:50 PM
I do understand about Verizon's network, hence why i use them. But again why does it take so long for verizon to pass through PDA's. We have been hearing about this darn 6800 forever and when is the new treo w/ out the dang antena. I just don't understand why there is a hold up. Maybe it is their CDMA technology???
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robtheman

May 28, 2007, 2:24 AM
Maybe they're clearing inventory. Maybe they were considering updates, then refused based on the quality of the new models vs the old models. Maybe it is because they put new phones through extensive testing before putting them on the market. Maybe they are pushing the individual consumer instead of the business market (the majority of individual cell phone users don't have or want a PDA). I could go on and on about possible reasons why they have not updated their PDAs in a while.

I doubt that it is CDMA technology. As far as I know, the only company that complains about that is Nokia which, to my knowledge, doesn't make any PDAs anyway.
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chocolateman85006

May 28, 2007, 6:34 AM
Smartphones? Yes; but not Pocker PC's.
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Wireless Buddy

May 28, 2007, 10:43 AM
Too bad VZW doesn't carry it anymore.
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chocolateman85006

May 29, 2007, 3:07 PM
Tease!!
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Wireless Buddy

May 29, 2007, 3:12 PM
Haha I didn't even notice!
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chocolateman85006

May 29, 2007, 3:13 PM
That's like when a woman tells ya she's good in bed, but is taken.
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Wireless Buddy

May 29, 2007, 3:18 PM
😉
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chocolateman85006

May 29, 2007, 3:23 PM
Are you a woman or a man?
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Wireless Buddy

May 29, 2007, 3:27 PM
man
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chocolateman85006

May 29, 2007, 3:31 PM
Just curious. I haven't met a woman ever that's completely into WM phones like me.
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xxfwmxx

May 31, 2007, 6:55 PM
yeah its no longer here because they had to get rid of them all at $99.99 to make way for the soon to be release much anticipated Sammy i760!
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proxistech

Jun 1, 2007, 10:58 PM
Was a good PDA but the phone sucked. Canned mine for the Q and I LOVE it. But it really needs to be used w/Exchange Server to appreciate it.
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Wireless Buddy

Jun 2, 2007, 10:31 AM
This may sound stupid, but were you having trouble with incall volume? Because at first I was and then I realized that phone volume and incall volume are different. Don't have any problems at all anymore.
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CMBDJ

Nov 4, 2007, 2:42 PM
wow thei730 was a kick ass phone. I bought it in Oct 2005 and kept it until last week. It was a great phone all the way around.

I never wished anything more of it except for photo texting.

It was a pain for me to have to go log into a website to view a pic that someone had sent me. Other than than , no complaints.

I did switch from Verixon to ATT last week and picked up the new Q9h. I would have stayed with Verizon, but the signal has been real crappy for me for the last 6 weeks. I wanted another up-to-date PDA, and the Q9h was the answer for me.

I'm selling my i730 to one of my DJs.
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katrina

May 28, 2007, 2:20 PM
Well I think its just that Verizon isn't targeting the business market. They cannot offer extensive international roaming, which would pretty much be a requirement for a company that wants to heavily target business customers. I believe they just carry a few for the people who a regular phone isn't good enough.

Verizon seems to be focusing much more heavily on mobile media than anything else. If thats not what you need, personally, I would go to somewhere else that focuses more on business customers. It's sort of the same at T-Mobile, they focus on families and young kids that party a lot and such; they have a business channel, but it's not the primary focus of their business.
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rumor23

May 28, 2007, 6:03 PM
I have to agree, I too have been looking for a good pda phone. Its not just for business anymore. As an active mom, this would greatly help. I have been carrying a phone, palm, etc. My purse weighs a ton. I just returned a "Q. Not because it was a bad phone, just that with the new regular phones out there, it was a lateral move rather that a step up. I have an e815 that has a calendar that basically works the same. I want something more. I could care less if I can watch tv, or play music. That is what ipods are for. Who has time for that anyway? I will probably go back for the Treo wx. That seems to be the preference from the people at the store.
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cmlandis2614

May 28, 2007, 6:22 PM
As a Verizon subscriber I'd have to say that regardless of how many PDA's we have it is definitely quality over quantity. I have a Blackberry 7103e and even though it came out a while ago its everything I need in a phone for business and personal. AT&T comes out with flashy PDA's all the time but what makes them any different than the others. It's a little redundant. I'd punch myself in the face if I had to use EDGE network for my Blackberry. HSDPA may be as fast as EVDO but what areas can you pick it up? Nowhere around my area plus how many AT&T Blackberry's have that capability....none.
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pittball7

May 28, 2007, 11:01 PM
I appreciate everyone's feedback on this question. With that said: How is the brand new blackberry 8830. I know i could go on phonescoop or phonearena and read about how amazing it is and yada-yada-yada. From people on this board, the consumers and workers, how is the new blackberry 8830?? Should I dump my worthless Moto Q for it???
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cwcanty

May 29, 2007, 1:17 AM
If the Q is "worthless"...dump it and get a quality phone! Blackberries are pretty good smart phones, with a solid reputation. Read the reviews on the 8703e--great performer. Im sure the 8830 will be in the same class.


Chris
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joey301

Nov 5, 2007, 11:13 AM
What is better about the Blackberry? My Q seems to do just about everything except WiFi. I would like a 3.5 mm ear phone though. It seems there are a lot more 3rd party apps for the Q than for the Blackberry too. I will want a new phone soon, so I am reading a lot about this and appreciate all the opinions.
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chocolateman85006

Jun 2, 2007, 9:05 AM
You should get rid of the Q, period!
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Windigo

Nov 4, 2007, 11:07 AM
I wouldn't go up to the 8830 unless you plan on traveling outside of North America
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z34007

May 31, 2007, 11:45 AM
After taking a look at all of Cingulars PDA's, didnt it bother you that only 3 models are 3g, as opposed to all of Verizons having EVDO?
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chocolateman85006

May 31, 2007, 1:39 PM
Slow or slower?!
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Keovani

May 31, 2007, 3:15 PM
Doesnt matter by 2008 when Wimax comes out....what will verizon do....???? stick with EVDO>>>?
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Sgt_Joker

May 31, 2007, 3:24 PM
sprint is a failing company right now, verizon is a success and they make smart moves..i wouldn't worry your pretty little head over what verizon has waiting in the wings.
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Keovani

May 31, 2007, 3:46 PM
thats only because all the eggs are in the wimax basket...but once that hatches...hmmm....aleast sprint is working on something...i havent heard anything new on the rumor mill for verizon....
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Sgt_Joker

May 31, 2007, 3:58 PM
you could be right time will tell
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dj.at.vzw

May 31, 2007, 4:54 PM
sprint and keo belong together. both of u run our mouth too much. u can stop talking about what u think verizon is doing or not doing cause you wont know till they launch it. just like people from sprint ran their mouth about how much rev a sprint had compared to vzw. how long did that last? like 2 days till vzw announced theirs 🤣 sprint will always be behind but you cant expect any more than that. they dont have the subs or income to do more. kinda sad in a way.
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 5:16 PM
I would not compare Sprint’s data to Verizon’s because frankly, it is not even fair since Sprint’s data offerings destroy Verizon’s. Moreover, Sprint has far more subscribers on the DO network than Verizon even dreams of. Most important, however, has to deal with the future of both companies. As this market becomes very saturated, you can only gain so much and it comes to getting more revenue out of those subscribers by offering new and innovative products and services. As of right now, Sprint is going to be tough going into the future because of that Wimax, JV, and other ventures while Verizon has nothing in their pipeline as of next generation technologies, but more important they only deal or care about their postpaid not other subscriber...
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sangyup81

May 31, 2007, 5:21 PM
I dunno Nextel. You seem to be going a bit far with that.

In markets where VZW has Rev. A, I would say they are pretty competitive. While Rev. A improved Sprint, Rev. A turns things around for VZW.

Also, we'll still see improvements to EV-DO for at least a couple of years if not more. I mean hell, even Ericsson is trying to improve EDGE.

In the long run, WiMAX will be able to beat out EV-DO but there will be some difficulties. For one, I'm kinda feeling unsure about how 2.5GHz spectrum will work in buildings.
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 5:43 PM
Well the evidence supports me being bit far out there. Even when REV O was out there, Sprint destroyed Verizon when it came to data subscribers, and data ARPU. REV A will only allow for Sprint to continue to expand and offering newer products and solutions to widen and expand their lead over Verizon. Do not forget that Sprint will offer Qchat over that REV A network that will entice users from Nextel or other companies to use that push to talk functionality on the network. Also don’t forget those dual mode phones especially the one that is coming out soon that has DO on it as well as push to talk.

Verizon is actually struggling against the other carriers too when it comes to data network. I just do not feel that Verizon is doing enough t...
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sangyup81

May 31, 2007, 6:00 PM
VZW does care about Data Cards though. They've been very aggressive with them and they've claimed to be #1 in Laptop Connect cards.

Though guys like you and me know that Sprint's Data Cards perform better, the public perception of VZW's data offerings is still better and frankly, they aren't all that bad.
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 6:10 PM
Verizon definitely is not number one when it comes to laptop connect cards- not even close. As of right now Sprint is outshining Verizon’s DO network by 4 to one. (this includes data cards and handsets)

Actually public perception thinks that Sprint has a better DO product than Verizon and that has to deal with Verizon’s awful limit policy on the data usage but more important on the leadership that Sprint continues to have on the DO platform when it comes to the metrics I mentioned earlier.

I am also not just talking about data cards though but with their handset offering. Sprint continues to outshine Verizon on that area too. Verizon’s DO offering on their handset is awful and they do not seem to be improving it too compete well aga...
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kvazzz

Jun 1, 2007, 8:46 AM
It's funny to read this...

80% of vz phones are with DO. Verizon outsells Sprint like 2:1 right now. Do the math m'boy 😎

On the serious note, Sprint calls "market" area with population 70000+, verizon calls "market" area with population 100000+. Their coverage is similar, their speeds are similar, as for the limit, I've heard the rumors, that sprint is having troubles with network, because of usage abuse...

Time will tell
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nextel18

Jun 1, 2007, 3:16 PM
There is a difference between having DO enabled and actually using it to generate revenue. Perhaps VZ phones have DO enabled but Sprint have their handsets and pc-cards DO enabled but DO used. That is why they are the best in the data market.
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sangyup81

Jun 1, 2007, 5:17 PM
When talking about Public Perception, I realized we're talking about different kinds of customers.

Consumers will be more likely to have a better perception of VZW than B2B users. I suppose the B2B users is where the crushing is happening.
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nextel18

Jun 3, 2007, 6:03 PM
Yea, that is true. However, those B2B customers are more important than regular customers.
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mitchell1

Jun 3, 2007, 6:09 PM
nextel18: how is wimax working out in japan. heard it wasnt to great.
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nextel18

Jun 3, 2007, 6:17 PM
Well according to some reports, Japan and Asia-Pacific areas are doing quite well with Wimax, however, it is still new so whenever a new technology is out there things usually progress slowly as consumers and manufacturers aren’t really sure how the sales will be. That area as well as other areas will do a lot better as consumers feel that Wimax is a better technology then the competition ones there, which will allow for more awareness and customer sign ups. Once that happens, everything will explode with tremendous growth.
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SystemShock

Jun 3, 2007, 6:54 PM
I dunno Nexty... you do seem to know you're stuff. Still, I'm not sure I buy into the whole 'WiMax will be the magic bullet that saves Sprint". Why? Well

1) While it'll start appearing in 2008, it won't be truly widespread 'til 2009. By then, EVDO and HSPDA speeds will have improved.

2) All the 'WiMax is way cheaper!' rhetoric seems to have been toned down lately. Articles have started appearing in major and respected tech and magazines (such as The Economist) calling WiMax's alleged cost advantages "desperately theoretical" and not really supported by the facts on the ground.

3) 2.5 GHz would seem to necessitate the use of more towers/cell sites, to have good indoors coverage. Doing so makes WiMax more expensive than it would be ot...
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nextel18

Jun 3, 2007, 7:29 PM
I don’t think that Wimax alone will be Sprint’s savior but will be a major factor if they want to succeed into the future still at that top 3 spot or perhaps trying to go into Verizon’s or Cingular’s territory. If everything would have worked out with the merger and the execution, I think we would be talking more about how well they are doing and how they have handled it instead of saying well this Wimax network is basically its savior, which everyone has been saying. As we all know, data is going to be more important going into the future and they think that Wimax will provide the best opportunity to B2B customers, big companies, and the regular consumer to provide more efficient, faster, and cheaper data speeds than its current and potenti...
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SystemShock

Jun 3, 2007, 8:28 PM
Authoritatively said, Nextel. Unfortunately, it also sounds authoritative coming from the other side, in this case, The Economist magazine:

Some of the claims made about WiMax are more myth than reality, says Mike Roberts of Informa Telecoms & Media, a market-research firm. Although it offers faster speeds than mobile networks, it consumes more battery power and requires more base stations to achieve coverage and penetrate building walls. Most networks will need licensed (ie, paid-for) spectrum to ensure good-quality service. The “one-tenth of the cost” estimate is based on rosy assumptions. And the latest enhancements of 3G technology, such as HSDPA and EV-DO, are improving fast. In a recent report Pyramid Research described t ...
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nextel18

Jun 3, 2007, 9:49 PM
Time will tell. The interesting thing is that even if an idea is good, there will always be people who will try to counter it in any way shape or firm. Time will tell as to see if the critics of Wimax are wrong again. I hope so since I have shares in many of the Wimax players.
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Sgt_Joker

May 31, 2007, 5:26 PM
i know nextel you sing the same tiring song over and over again, but the facts our YOU don't have a clue about verizons future plans bottom line PERIOD!! when the majority of the population gets hip to DO verizon will be there to deliver the content, speeds, etc, and it will meet the needs of the masses, you don't believe that? 😎
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 6:00 PM
Help me to decide what Verizon’s future plans in data are that will compete against Cingular, T-mobile and Sprint. Help. With next generation data networks, I have no clue because with the spectrum they have I do not know what they can do. DO REV B? perhaps but HSPA and Wimax beats out that. LTE? That is way too long away. I know enough talking with a number of people how they are concerned with the lack of data future, besides FIOS, on the wireless division. I know that Verizon’s plan with TV has to deal with Media Flo, an offering from Qualcomm but that is it when it comes to that.

Yea, I do not believe that even if Verizon does have it in a lot of areas they will still take customers away from Sprint or Cingular’s data offerings. I ju...
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 5:22 PM
The problems that Sprint are having with the merger is actually not as bad as people thought because they are still gaining subscribers, however, losing the more high paying ones. Sprint still leads in many areas such as Data ARPU, ARPU, data subscribers, push to talk, and lifetime revenue per subscriber.

I would not say that Verizon is a success because they are only caring about their postpaid and not the other metrics, which they should. They are only caring about their FIOS instead of their wireless data. What moves has Verizon made that was so successful? They obviously limit the data usage on their data plans. I can only think of one thing, which has to deal with having the best network. Push to talk was a failure. Their prepaid is...
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Sgt_Joker

May 31, 2007, 5:31 PM
They have the lowest churn in the industry and they deliver what the majority of the population needs a reliable network! you can't say that about sprint 🙄

also sprint is bleeding hella mass iden customers, what are stats mister stat man on how many custy lost on iden last quarter alone? yeah thats what i thought, how long is that apru going to sore at that rate.

you twist thing allot to make sprint sound better than they really are.
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nextel18

May 31, 2007, 5:55 PM
I realize they have the lowest churn but when you have the best network that metric should be yours for the future to come, however, they should also have great metrics in every other category such as data ARPU, data customers, prepaid and other metrics out there and they just do not have that. I am a bit confused why that is the case.

Sprint does have a good network but not as great as Verizon, which also surprises me to see how much Sprint leads in many metrics out there.

So far, the IDEN network has lost over 1.2 million customers while moving over 400,000 with those power source phones. Therefore, that is 1/3, which is awful, but they can do better with those dual mode devices and Qchat. ARPU continues to decline, but will stabi...
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Keovani

Jun 1, 2007, 9:04 AM
Wow the whole verizon forum attacked Nextel18 and he still came out ontop defending sprint...that deserves a standing ovation....Kudos Nextel18 Kudos...
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nextel18

Jun 1, 2007, 3:14 PM
Thanks. I try just to provide facts and figures even if I have a bias to some carriers-I try to be fair at all times.
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sangyup81

Jun 1, 2007, 5:20 PM
Bias? You seen Keovani's logo? His Sprint is bigger than the other carriers. What's up with that? What gives? 🤨
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nextel18

Jun 3, 2007, 6:01 PM
I donno you have to ask him.
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Keovani

Jun 4, 2007, 9:52 AM
Thats simple...I currently have Sprint but ive had all the carriers...so im more on sprints side now...but i still have love for the others....
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nextel18

Jun 4, 2007, 3:48 PM
I see.
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Green Jeep

Jun 2, 2007, 5:28 AM
Understand that that before I say anything, Orthogonal(OFDM) based technologies certainly have a great wireless future. Is WiMax the best evolutionary step and for that matter, is it going to be supported appropriately by not only carriers but other parts of the support industry that feeds the need of the carrier (from build out to handsets)?

Remains to be seen.

I just think that jumping on WiMax as the next big thing and suggesting it to be to the detriment of other carriers is a bit hasty. While it doesn't necessarily signal the death knell of WiMax, recent reports have noted that it is 'cooling'

DigiTimes Summary (3/27/2007):
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070327PD212.html »

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"Ericsson announced that it w...
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LordObento

Jun 2, 2007, 8:05 AM
Verizon is Qualcomms bedbuddy anyways... they will probably do the next EVDO Rev B & C. Until A fully working VOIP network is in place including roaming partners and the decommission of the current voice network is done... I dont think Verizon will be focusing all it's efforts in a data network. They have a plan but like Rev A build out, the media does not need to be notified as it's not going to increase their net adds one way or another.
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silentriot

Nov 5, 2007, 1:13 AM
Cingular changed it's name to AT&T. 🙄
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robtheman

Nov 5, 2007, 2:22 PM
You do realize that this topic was started in May, right?
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silentriot

Nov 6, 2007, 12:19 AM
Yeah. I waited till november to be behind the times. Outlook's calendar reminded me! 😛
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