first off this is a public forum. to insist I'm only here to stir up trouble is wrong the title of this thread was meant to do that. and you ask where I get my info from? how bout quarterly #s, wireless analyst and yes my own personal opionion. please answer my last post question why can't sprint add #s like vzw or any other major carrier....hell even t-mobile had more retail adds then you guys. oh well......power up 🤣

Its it not mean to start trouble it is for a paper I'm doing, damn 🙄

a paper for what? Why all sprint customers should switch to verizon!?!?!?

D*mmit, I wish I posted that....

ALL sprint customers SHOULD switch to Verizon!!! 😁

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Actually, VZW is in trouble because their prepaid product is awful and they just have their voice to depend on and that will suffer and I would actually watch T-mobile in the future because after getting some nice 10 MHz and 20MHz of spectrum they will launch HSDPA that will destroy VZW, but not Sprint because Sprint will be doing Wimax.

That's actually a good point, nextel18... The technology used to get the carriers from 3G to 4G OR from whatever to whatever (on the data side) is transparent to the customer. The idea (or bottom line) is which is faster... That's the customer angle, they don't know EV-DO from EIEIO... Sprint (IMHO) will always be able to position themselves as a leader in data (both speed, availabilty, every metric) against a HSDPA (GSM - TMo, Cingy) or EV-DO (VZW)...

I agree and metrics that I have been following are showing that Data and data applications as well as data ARPUs are going up at Cingular, Sprint, and T-mobile while at Verizon, although it is going up a bit, they are still struggling with their DO.

You know, I think EVDO and VCast are a great thing, but they are just not using VCast to its full potential. I think that they need to get better apps, and let people teather it to their laptops for a lot less then what they do now, Verizon is lacking in the 3g department

For some reason, Verizon seems not to care about their DO service by increasing content to their Vcast service and I agree with your whole statement, and that is why I mentioned earlier many times that Verizon will suffer because of their lack of content and their 3G presence in the data market. See the problem is, when people want a data provider they usually pick Sprint over Verizon due to what we have talked about plus data speeds and coverage. This is evident by a few factors; 1. Verizon is too ashamed to show how many are on their broadband network, and 2. Sprint does show its numbers and 3. Data Arpu and Subscribers continue to expand at a rapid rate at Sprint than Verizon.

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Verizon is expanding their V Cast area like crazy lately (past 2 months), we are constantly getting updates as to new markets they are going into, so maybe (hopefully) they will be changing their stratedgy in the next few months, I honestly think that VZW is the superior company in all regards wit hthe exception of data, and hopefully they can correct that.

But the problem is, if they are signing up a record rate on their postpaid, but cant get their prepaid product on tact something is wrong on that front too, but more importantly with data they are extremely struggling in that area and even if they make some drastic changes I still don’t think they will be the carrier of choice with 3G.

Yup, not until they make drastic changes with the data, lol, as a matter of fact I have a Regional data meeting next week that all owners and employees have to attend, any questions you would like asked/answered?

Not really, but just ask if they are focusing more on FIOS and their landline business than their VZW business. I also might get with my Verizon contacts to talk to them.

What is FIOS?

This is a VZW meeting and nobody will be there that has any knowledge about the landline side, in this part of the country VZ doesnt have landline or internet service

FIOS is their new fiber optic landline high-speed data and TV service that will be rolled out to target 30 million homes by 2010 and is spending more than $18B on this project.

I have to say it is better than Comcast’s cable on many fronts.

Ok so I guess you have to ask them why they are too ashamed to show their numbers to the public investors, while Sprint does, and how can they revamp their Vcast in order to start gaining traction. Also, ask them, what they are going to do about their prepaid product and how they are going to attack people more.

Ok, will ask about the VCast, but this is going to be the wrong crowd to ask about the prepaid. Honestly, from what I have seen working with them for 4 years, VZW doesnt really care about prepaid numbers.

Well, I think they should because they will be getting more subscribers, although, it is a lower margin it still counts as revenue. They should care about both and market both and try to entice uses to use their prepaid because that will only help not hurt. I think that is why they are too voice centric and not focusing more on data or on prepaid that it will hurt them at the end of all of this.

I have to agree with wfine81 on this. Prepaid targets young kids and have a high churn rate. It helps but they will jump for the next best thing. Post paid customers are the loyal ones. Just look at the churn for sprints pre pay. Horrible.

But the thinking by you and him are wrong, because the prepaid is a huge add to their revenue and MOU traffic and that will bring up ARPU a bit, but you are right churn is high too but for Sprint since you mentioned them it is the best in the industry and their ARPU is also the best in the industry. In addition, if the prepaid is profitable then that is great, such as Boost. Prepaid and mvnos are great because their capex are small.

You need a good mix of adds- prepaid, postpaid, and mvno/affiliates. It is necessary.

Are you not going to do a Sprint/Nextel 3rd Q prediction? Too Painful?

Yea, it is not even worth mentioning.

Do you think they will be as bad as last quarters?

Not as bad as last quarter so I would not be surprised if its worse, but things are changing going into the 4th quarter and will change going into next year.

wfine81 said:
You know, I think EVDO and VCast are a great thing, but they are just not using VCast to its full potential. I think that they need to get better apps, and let people teather it to their laptops for a lot less then what they do now, Verizon is lacking in the 3g department

😳 o really wow you do know then, i have stated this before and have been jumped on by every insecure verizon fanboy out there, vcast does blow and they DO need better apps, and powervision is better. now if you will admit verizons ui sucks we can agree on two things 😛

I can add some. I have had sprint for 5 yrs. I just recently tried them and was not impressed. I returned the phone 4 days later. I know they have an awsome network. However they just got into my area and deployed there service way before it was ready. I wll hand it to sprint they don't deploy anything until its ready. Not Verizon. If you live in the areas that they were started in they are great. They suck in new areas. Sprint built a whole new network and it works great. Verizons plans also suck. They are way to expensive. So I will stick with sprint. I have tried them all and none compare to Sprint. Also I have many times in the military I have gone to remote places and I can use the phone. People are like you get service? I wa...
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i also would like it VERY much if the VZW jackass would PLEASE go away. i know youre just 'expressing your opinion' and 'speaking whats on your mind', but its annoying as hell to see the Sprint forum constantly filled with your VZW bs.
I (as well as all other Sprint techs, Cust Care reps, customers, and Corporate Leaders) are fully aware that our network drops calls. Thats because every network drops calls. So do devices from time to time. Its a part of cell service.
I *AM*, however, really intrigued about your claim that Verizon doesnt drop calls. I'd absolutely LOVE to see the official report that proves that claim. Honestly, if i was to ever read it, i would probly poo myself with excitement, and head to the nearest VZW store to switc...
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Class dismissed. 🤣

As Dave Chapelle would say BYAH!

you know i have to agree with rcr that VZW fool is just that he is a idiot "hey look at me im with VZW and i dont have dropped calls DAMNIT i lost the call that dosent count it only happens 50 times a day it must be a glitch in my phone" SHUT THE HELL UP you stupid VZW IDIOTS im tired of all your BIG STEAMING PILES OF B.S

enjoy the rest of your pathetic day
1 more in your pathetic life 👿

saintsrevolvr

so your saying you can jump all over vzw but you get offended that I make valid points about srint with no response. again if you want to start your own sprint only forum with no debate feel free but untill then I will post where I want to post. I don't mean to offend anyone I like this forum because here in america we have the right to an opinion and I'm not saying I like to argue but you have to agree that if there was no debating between companies most of us wouldn't be here.

You troll. Plain and simple.

well, i have a business meeting to attend, so imleaving the babysitting up to you. try your best to keep the retard at bay. and dont get to close, i think he has the rabies...

peace out
-RCR

I take offense to the word retard and it just shows how mature you really are. I have never called anyone any names or been derogitory towards anyone. that's pretty sad you have to resort to that to offshoot my ?

when you come busting into a forum typing in CAPS claiming sprint can't make a call without dropping one, thats what you get and i dont feel sry for you, what you did is inflammatory you got what you deserved.

Verizon does not offer live TV on there phones and we do, we even offer full movies a sort of PPV for your phone.
Our BT isnt crippled
Our nights start at 7pm
20 cents a min for overage charges
Free Incoming Plans
The best PTT in the industry

Verizon even has an account with us. and there employees get a 10% off there invoice. :-)

WOW this is great info guys I appreciate all the input, Sprint offers so much more than allot of the companies

Yep, but the problem is marketing, and execution. There has been a lot of confusion in the market place with the different products, but that will soon change as more and better marketing advertisements come to face on the media outlets.

I just have to note that soon Verizon will come out with TV solution too, which could/might be better than Sprints, but remember, Sprint has that joint venture with the cable companies who just scored a nice swath of spectrum during that auction 66 so I don’t feel that they are a threat.

"if there was no debating between companies most of us wouldn't be here."

actually, thats just not true. im usually here to asnwer technical questions for customers/potential customers (something i dont get to do any more now that im a trainer)

and seriously, the whole "this is america, im entitled to my own opinion" crap? really? wow.

you have fun being a 10 yr old. you are 10, arent you?

-RCR

Thanks will do now 🙂

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing Sprint has some great things going for them. This is something to be really excited about. Thanks

My understanding is it isn't truely intergrated thing. It works on IDEN for walkie talkie but CDMA for voice. Someone correct me if I am wrong. But in their defense it is the first phone of its kind and it should only get better.

CDMA for Voice/Data, iDEN for PTT.

ok so here is a seroius ? no bashing. won't this type of hybrid phone be obsolete when nextel has to divest iden back to the Gov? I don't know the answer to this

your right I would think but I don't think that is until like 2012. That would give them time to convert over while still bieng able to use both networks.

No because the phones will be coming out this year and next year.

No because sprint right now has no plans to give he Iden network to the goverment, Im not sure if Nextel18 ever saw a letter sprint nextel released to all its employees on snc a while back, but it clearly stated that there was no such plan to do so, and that it was a rumor going around. The iden network wont go away till probably they reelase the 4g network which should be able to use the ptt the same speed as the iden network otherwise if they never accomplish that the iden network wont go away.

There are 2 main devices that are coming out which will be dual mode phones, one is just an entry level phone and the one coming next year will include EV-DO, and they are CDMA with voice and data and IDEN for push to talk with direct talk.

verizons network may be bigger but not better. Sprint has better data services and their voice quality is just as good.

but, if your traveling, isnt a bigger network(coverage) better? I agree that they both have top of the line voice quality

I travel everywere I am in the military and never once had a problem with service. May roam but so does Verizon thats what their extended network is. But I have been able to roam when my friends on Verizon couldn't many of times. They used my phone. And sprint now you roam free

there are no roaming charges with verizon either

Majority of the time they are roaming off each other anyway, which makes their networks even more powerful. Too bad a merger would never happen or else they would be one seriously huge company that can not be stopped. Oh well.

I know verizon doesn't charge for roaming well some places they do. However as I stated my friends on verizon had no signal roaming or other wise. I dialed 611 and got welcome to ranger wireless. I was able to use my phone thats the point.

Very true. Those little guys help the bigger guys.

Nope, Vwe (verizon) dont charge for roaming anywhere in the 50 states, including PR

Well I looked at the Americas Choice map and the sprint map. I see alot of holes in the verizons map. So either you have no service there or they charge you roaming.

There arent that many holes (white area), and there is 100% no roaming charges anywehre in the country

ok so that tells me that sprint has better roaming coverage. Right or Wrong?

your right. Don't ge me wrong I like verizon. And would love to see a merger of the two. Just would hope they keep the best they each have to offer. I heard a rumor so it probable isn't true that sprint was inquiring about vodaphones stake in verizon.

Just that I don’t think Verizon can be the leader like it is now with voice without offering some kinda 4g+ network and those are just rumors and a VZW/Sprint merger would never ever pass regulatory hurdles without major major concessions an divestitures. Remember, Cingular and ATTWS merger? Well, there were many divestitures in order to have the deal closed and when you combine VZW and Sprint since it is a lot bigger than Cingular and ATTWS combined, it will have further consequences and divestitures.

Thus, it would not be worth it to VZW or Sprint to merge. I think the possibility and rumors that are swirling around are possibly if Voda was to sell their VZW stake, they would buy it Sprint.

yeah...i agree if verizon ever merged with sprextel than that would almost be a monopoly (don't bash, i did say almost)...

but if verizon ever did merge with someone, i would like to see them merge with t-mobile...that would bring rise to a world of wireless providers similar to the world of auto carmakers... i.e. *the big three* u.s. companies would be combatting everyone else from europe...but of course t-mobile is already huge in europe

It is hands down that Verizon has a bigger network but I agree with you that Sprint is a better network, and now with the Nextel assets in the 1.9ghz, 2.5ghz and 800mhz bands and those 10s of thousands of towers they will be able to have a huge network that is both better and more efficient then Verizon and their peers. Once they put those assets together on the CDMA network, I would have to say watch out.

How is Sprints network better?

Gotta run check back later

Their network is better with capacity and data. If Sprint uses their spectrum better, and I think they will with West at the helm, they will have a bigger, better and stronger network than Verizon. All Sprint needs to do is to put more towers out there where there are holes and blanks in the coverage, unfortunately, its not so easy.

The problem is, not many people believe that, since Sprint’s name is not very good with consumers.

Well right now it is too difficult to say, but I think if everything works in their favor which it seems to be with signing on deals, getting that huge joint venture, rolling out new products, that they will be able to beat out Verizon within the next couple years, however, if they don’t turn around and execute they could face some problems but it will be fixed. I think starting in late 2007 early 08 and up until 2010, I think Sprint will be a very strong player and will probably overthrown Verizon and I actually think Verizon could suffer if they do not do anything besides for REV O, REV A, and possibly REV B to compete with Wimax, and HSDPA.

True, but each carrier has to play their cards right, right now Sprint has to play catch up.

I would love to see Sprint become a quality network.

I am not sure it is about catching up rather than executing because Sprint has tremendous products and solutions and assets but the most important thing is to execute on their goals and plans or else they will be in a world of trouble and that is with every company out there too. We saw it with T-mobile and with Cingular.


In my area, Sprint is excellent.