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How does Sprint kick verizons butt???????

New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 2:48 PM
Nights starting at 7😲o pm

Java better than brew

Unlimted text package

No unified UI like verizon

Better PTT

Faster EVDO speeds not restricted

Sanyo phones

More spectrum

Power vision better than vcast

Does sprint have full bluetooth?, I'm not sure

Fair and Flexible plans

Let gets this list rocking and rolling come on sprint people lets hear your input here, help me out.
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vzw-csr21

Oct 5, 2006, 3:18 PM
🤣 just one ? why can't sprint draw customers like vzw. you can have all the great little perks but not even you can't offer the most important one to customers. WE CAN MAKE AND RECEIVE PHONE CALLS W/O DROPPING A PHONE CAll. customers sign with us for the reliability. verizon hasn't had to make drastic changes to bring in customers we sell the benefit of using your cell phone for what its made for. have a good day
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snang

Oct 5, 2006, 3:28 PM
Go back to your own forum, fanboy. It seems you spend more time here trying to stir up trouble than you do in your precious Verizon forum.

Offer something intelligent and peoples opinion of you might change. Seems you just sit there all day refreshing your browser looking for new threads so you can bash Sprint and brag on Verizon. I don't know how many people I talk to a day or despise Verizon. Just as it is with any other company.

I want to know what you base your knowledge on? It's odd because I and all my family use Sprint...and I can't recall the last time I had a dropped call. Been with them for years.
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vzw-csr21

Oct 5, 2006, 3:37 PM
first off this is a public forum. to insist I'm only here to stir up trouble is wrong the title of this thread was meant to do that. and you ask where I get my info from? how bout quarterly #s, wireless analyst and yes my own personal opionion. please answer my last post question why can't sprint add #s like vzw or any other major carrier....hell even t-mobile had more retail adds then you guys. oh well......power up 🤣
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:39 PM
Its it not mean to start trouble it is for a paper I'm doing, damn 🙄
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BennyBoy940

Oct 5, 2006, 7:30 PM
a paper for what? Why all sprint customers should switch to verizon!?!?!?
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dca

Oct 6, 2006, 8:51 AM
D*mmit, I wish I posted that....
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blondestarchic

Oct 14, 2006, 9:24 AM
ALL sprint customers SHOULD switch to Verizon!!! 😁
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jareddude42

Oct 15, 2006, 2:15 PM
why?>
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 5:55 PM
Actually, VZW is in trouble because their prepaid product is awful and they just have their voice to depend on and that will suffer and I would actually watch T-mobile in the future because after getting some nice 10 MHz and 20MHz of spectrum they will launch HSDPA that will destroy VZW, but not Sprint because Sprint will be doing Wimax.
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dca

Oct 6, 2006, 8:56 AM
That's actually a good point, nextel18... The technology used to get the carriers from 3G to 4G OR from whatever to whatever (on the data side) is transparent to the customer. The idea (or bottom line) is which is faster... That's the customer angle, they don't know EV-DO from EIEIO... Sprint (IMHO) will always be able to position themselves as a leader in data (both speed, availabilty, every metric) against a HSDPA (GSM - TMo, Cingy) or EV-DO (VZW)...
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 3:57 PM
I agree and metrics that I have been following are showing that Data and data applications as well as data ARPUs are going up at Cingular, Sprint, and T-mobile while at Verizon, although it is going up a bit, they are still struggling with their DO.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 3:59 PM
You know, I think EVDO and VCast are a great thing, but they are just not using VCast to its full potential. I think that they need to get better apps, and let people teather it to their laptops for a lot less then what they do now, Verizon is lacking in the 3g department
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:04 PM
For some reason, Verizon seems not to care about their DO service by increasing content to their Vcast service and I agree with your whole statement, and that is why I mentioned earlier many times that Verizon will suffer because of their lack of content and their 3G presence in the data market. See the problem is, when people want a data provider they usually pick Sprint over Verizon due to what we have talked about plus data speeds and coverage. This is evident by a few factors; 1. Verizon is too ashamed to show how many are on their broadband network, and 2. Sprint does show its numbers and 3. Data Arpu and Subscribers continue to expand at a rapid rate at Sprint than Verizon.

Verizon obviously advertises like crazy especially with th...
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:18 PM
Verizon is expanding their V Cast area like crazy lately (past 2 months), we are constantly getting updates as to new markets they are going into, so maybe (hopefully) they will be changing their stratedgy in the next few months, I honestly think that VZW is the superior company in all regards wit hthe exception of data, and hopefully they can correct that.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:20 PM
But the problem is, if they are signing up a record rate on their postpaid, but cant get their prepaid product on tact something is wrong on that front too, but more importantly with data they are extremely struggling in that area and even if they make some drastic changes I still don’t think they will be the carrier of choice with 3G.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:23 PM
Yup, not until they make drastic changes with the data, lol, as a matter of fact I have a Regional data meeting next week that all owners and employees have to attend, any questions you would like asked/answered?
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:26 PM
Not really, but just ask if they are focusing more on FIOS and their landline business than their VZW business. I also might get with my Verizon contacts to talk to them.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:29 PM
What is FIOS?

This is a VZW meeting and nobody will be there that has any knowledge about the landline side, in this part of the country VZ doesnt have landline or internet service
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:38 PM
FIOS is their new fiber optic landline high-speed data and TV service that will be rolled out to target 30 million homes by 2010 and is spending more than $18B on this project.

I have to say it is better than Comcast’s cable on many fronts.

Ok so I guess you have to ask them why they are too ashamed to show their numbers to the public investors, while Sprint does, and how can they revamp their Vcast in order to start gaining traction. Also, ask them, what they are going to do about their prepaid product and how they are going to attack people more.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:58 PM
Ok, will ask about the VCast, but this is going to be the wrong crowd to ask about the prepaid. Honestly, from what I have seen working with them for 4 years, VZW doesnt really care about prepaid numbers.
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 5:03 PM
Well, I think they should because they will be getting more subscribers, although, it is a lower margin it still counts as revenue. They should care about both and market both and try to entice uses to use their prepaid because that will only help not hurt. I think that is why they are too voice centric and not focusing more on data or on prepaid that it will hurt them at the end of all of this.
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wombough

Oct 7, 2006, 11:12 AM
I have to agree with wfine81 on this. Prepaid targets young kids and have a high churn rate. It helps but they will jump for the next best thing. Post paid customers are the loyal ones. Just look at the churn for sprints pre pay. Horrible.
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nextel18

Oct 12, 2006, 7:11 AM
But the thinking by you and him are wrong, because the prepaid is a huge add to their revenue and MOU traffic and that will bring up ARPU a bit, but you are right churn is high too but for Sprint since you mentioned them it is the best in the industry and their ARPU is also the best in the industry. In addition, if the prepaid is profitable then that is great, such as Boost. Prepaid and mvnos are great because their capex are small.

You need a good mix of adds- prepaid, postpaid, and mvno/affiliates. It is necessary.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:33 PM
Are you not going to do a Sprint/Nextel 3rd Q prediction? Too Painful?
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:39 PM
Yea, it is not even worth mentioning.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 4:48 PM
Do you think they will be as bad as last quarters?
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nextel18

Oct 6, 2006, 4:52 PM
Not as bad as last quarter so I would not be surprised if its worse, but things are changing going into the 4th quarter and will change going into next year.
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ArmySF

Oct 6, 2006, 4:13 PM
wfine81 said:
You know, I think EVDO and VCast are a great thing, but they are just not using VCast to its full potential. I think that they need to get better apps, and let people teather it to their laptops for a lot less then what they do now, Verizon is lacking in the 3g department



😳 o really wow you do know then, i have stated this before and have been jumped on by every insecure verizon fanboy out there, vcast does blow and they DO need better apps, and powervision is better. now if you will admit verizons ui sucks we can agree on two things 😛
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 3:40 PM
I can add some. I have had sprint for 5 yrs. I just recently tried them and was not impressed. I returned the phone 4 days later. I know they have an awsome network. However they just got into my area and deployed there service way before it was ready. I wll hand it to sprint they don't deploy anything until its ready. Not Verizon. If you live in the areas that they were started in they are great. They suck in new areas. Sprint built a whole new network and it works great. Verizons plans also suck. They are way to expensive. So I will stick with sprint. I have tried them all and none compare to Sprint. Also I have many times in the military I have gone to remote places and I can use the phone. People are like you get service? I wa...
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River_City_Ransom

Oct 5, 2006, 3:41 PM
i also would like it VERY much if the VZW jackass would PLEASE go away. i know youre just 'expressing your opinion' and 'speaking whats on your mind', but its annoying as hell to see the Sprint forum constantly filled with your VZW bs.
I (as well as all other Sprint techs, Cust Care reps, customers, and Corporate Leaders) are fully aware that our network drops calls. Thats because every network drops calls. So do devices from time to time. Its a part of cell service.
I *AM*, however, really intrigued about your claim that Verizon doesnt drop calls. I'd absolutely LOVE to see the official report that proves that claim. Honestly, if i was to ever read it, i would probly poo myself with excitement, and head to the nearest VZW store to switc...
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snang

Oct 5, 2006, 3:42 PM
Class dismissed. 🤣
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SPRINT31907

Oct 7, 2006, 11:02 AM
As Dave Chapelle would say BYAH!
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saintsrevolvr

Oct 9, 2006, 8:35 PM
you know i have to agree with rcr that VZW fool is just that he is a idiot "hey look at me im with VZW and i dont have dropped calls DAMNIT i lost the call that dosent count it only happens 50 times a day it must be a glitch in my phone" SHUT THE HELL UP you stupid VZW IDIOTS im tired of all your BIG STEAMING PILES OF B.S

enjoy the rest of your pathetic day
1 more in your pathetic life 👿

saintsrevolvr
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:33 PM
vzw-csr21 you are welcome to participate but only if you're not going to be a stupid troll, come on sprint people lets get chatting, and please just ignore the trolls.
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vzw-csr21

Oct 5, 2006, 3:45 PM
so your saying you can jump all over vzw but you get offended that I make valid points about srint with no response. again if you want to start your own sprint only forum with no debate feel free but untill then I will post where I want to post. I don't mean to offend anyone I like this forum because here in america we have the right to an opinion and I'm not saying I like to argue but you have to agree that if there was no debating between companies most of us wouldn't be here.
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snang

Oct 5, 2006, 3:46 PM
You troll. Plain and simple.
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River_City_Ransom

Oct 5, 2006, 3:53 PM
well, i have a business meeting to attend, so imleaving the babysitting up to you. try your best to keep the retard at bay. and dont get to close, i think he has the rabies...

peace out
-RCR
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vzw-csr21

Oct 5, 2006, 4:01 PM
I take offense to the word retard and it just shows how mature you really are. I have never called anyone any names or been derogitory towards anyone. that's pretty sad you have to resort to that to offshoot my ?
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 4:13 PM
when you come busting into a forum typing in CAPS claiming sprint can't make a call without dropping one, thats what you get and i dont feel sry for you, what you did is inflammatory you got what you deserved.
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Craziecs

Oct 5, 2006, 6:44 PM
Verizon does not offer live TV on there phones and we do, we even offer full movies a sort of PPV for your phone.
Our BT isnt crippled
Our nights start at 7pm
20 cents a min for overage charges
Free Incoming Plans
The best PTT in the industry

Verizon even has an account with us. and there employees get a 10% off there invoice. :-)
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 6:54 PM
WOW this is great info guys I appreciate all the input, Sprint offers so much more than allot of the companies
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 7:23 PM
Yep, but the problem is marketing, and execution. There has been a lot of confusion in the market place with the different products, but that will soon change as more and better marketing advertisements come to face on the media outlets.

I just have to note that soon Verizon will come out with TV solution too, which could/might be better than Sprints, but remember, Sprint has that joint venture with the cable companies who just scored a nice swath of spectrum during that auction 66 so I don’t feel that they are a threat.
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River_City_Ransom

Oct 5, 2006, 3:48 PM
"if there was no debating between companies most of us wouldn't be here."

actually, thats just not true. im usually here to asnwer technical questions for customers/potential customers (something i dont get to do any more now that im a trainer)

and seriously, the whole "this is america, im entitled to my own opinion" crap? really? wow.

you have fun being a 10 yr old. you are 10, arent you?

-RCR
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 5:52 PM
That is a very good point, but Verizon only truly has one thing to offer and that is Voice and nothing else, but you also have to take into account of if Verizon is so good they would sign a lot more than Sprint on their prepaid product, however, they are not.

This will change in the future since voice will start to decline and data will be the future and you can see that in the trends with data products and studies out there.
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krickt

Oct 6, 2006, 10:06 AM
Wait a second, whoa. Did you just say that you should use a cell phone for the way it was meant to be used? So since all the Great God Verizon wants you to do is talk, preferably on peak time or overage, then it's okay for them to cripple the phone's features and system features to pad the Great God's wallets? I'm confused. How's that using the phone like it was meant to be used?
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scttlam

Oct 9, 2006, 8:17 PM
I actually left verizon for the problem of dropping calls and call clarity. Going to Sprint worked out fine and I have better call quality and clarity than I ever had with Verizon.

I think people have a bad taste in their mouth about sprint because people always say sprint sucks. Normally these are people that do not pay their bill on time and get flagged for going over their limit or people who owe them money.

Sprint definitely has better plans than verizon. I think some people believe what they see on TV about Verizon. All I can say is try it and if it works for you great. That is the same with any carrier.
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jareddude42

Oct 15, 2006, 6:02 PM
funny i just did a 2 line deal for a gentleman and his wife and they switched from of all carriers verizon citing such reasons as verizion doesnt work where they live but sprint does. weird...
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:40 PM
Data rate is cheaper than VZW........Way cheaper

What else thanks 🙂
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 3:42 PM
When they sai unlimited vision they mean it. Unlike Verizon who sends letters to people canceling service when they use to much.
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:54 PM
And what about these new Hybrid Phones I'm not really that clear on it, but sounds like Sprint will have something truly unique with the dual mode cdman iden phones, anyone care to help clarify this further for me please. And isn't there going to be even a further advancement in the PTT category, what is it called qchat i think? This sounds like it will take PTT to an entire new level. yes/no? Looks like verizon has given up on their PTT.
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River_City_Ransom

Oct 5, 2006, 3:56 PM
check this out:

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »


i posted on that topic earlier today. read up, its tasty.

-RCR
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:57 PM
Thanks will do now 🙂
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New_2_T-Mobile

Oct 5, 2006, 3:59 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing Sprint has some great things going for them. This is something to be really excited about. Thanks
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 4:01 PM
My understanding is it isn't truely intergrated thing. It works on IDEN for walkie talkie but CDMA for voice. Someone correct me if I am wrong. But in their defense it is the first phone of its kind and it should only get better.
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snang

Oct 5, 2006, 4:40 PM
CDMA for Voice/Data, iDEN for PTT.
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vzw-csr21

Oct 5, 2006, 4:43 PM
ok so here is a seroius ? no bashing. won't this type of hybrid phone be obsolete when nextel has to divest iden back to the Gov? I don't know the answer to this
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 4:56 PM
your right I would think but I don't think that is until like 2012. That would give them time to convert over while still bieng able to use both networks.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 5:58 PM
No because the phones will be coming out this year and next year.
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Craziecs

Oct 6, 2006, 2:00 AM
No because sprint right now has no plans to give he Iden network to the goverment, Im not sure if Nextel18 ever saw a letter sprint nextel released to all its employees on snc a while back, but it clearly stated that there was no such plan to do so, and that it was a rumor going around. The iden network wont go away till probably they reelase the 4g network which should be able to use the ptt the same speed as the iden network otherwise if they never accomplish that the iden network wont go away.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 5:57 PM
There are 2 main devices that are coming out which will be dual mode phones, one is just an entry level phone and the one coming next year will include EV-DO, and they are CDMA with voice and data and IDEN for push to talk with direct talk.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 5:50 PM
You forgot to mention better prepaid product then VZW. I also think that Sprint has a huge advantage with Wimax that is coming in the future to do a dual CDMA/WIMAX type solution out there which will be happening and I don’t see what Verizon’s 4g+ offering is. Their landline with FIOS is basically it but obviously, that is landline and not wireless. In addition, when Sprint upgrades to REV A, they might upgrade to REV B, which gives them faster speeds and lower latency, then REV A and Verizon probably will not do that.

Also, the dual mode phones that are coming out shortly and then next year. I think the most important thing about the difference between Sprint and Verizon is data and that is the future of this closed to becoming saturate...
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 5:56 PM
Sorry bro, I just dont see Sprint/Nextel catching up to VZW within the next 2 years, further out then that is to hard to predict but they have a long way to go. At this point in time, VZW is the superior network, hands down, now things can always change but for now Sprint cant hold a candle
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 6:02 PM
verizons network may be bigger but not better. Sprint has better data services and their voice quality is just as good.
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 6:04 PM
but, if your traveling, isnt a bigger network(coverage) better? I agree that they both have top of the line voice quality
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 6:11 PM
I travel everywere I am in the military and never once had a problem with service. May roam but so does Verizon thats what their extended network is. But I have been able to roam when my friends on Verizon couldn't many of times. They used my phone. And sprint now you roam free
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 6:13 PM
there are no roaming charges with verizon either
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 6:16 PM
Majority of the time they are roaming off each other anyway, which makes their networks even more powerful. Too bad a merger would never happen or else they would be one seriously huge company that can not be stopped. Oh well.
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 6:56 PM
I know verizon doesn't charge for roaming well some places they do. However as I stated my friends on verizon had no signal roaming or other wise. I dialed 611 and got welcome to ranger wireless. I was able to use my phone thats the point.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 7:19 PM
Very true. Those little guys help the bigger guys.
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 8:21 PM
Nope, Vwe (verizon) dont charge for roaming anywhere in the 50 states, including PR
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wombough

Oct 6, 2006, 10:09 AM
Well I looked at the Americas Choice map and the sprint map. I see alot of holes in the verizons map. So either you have no service there or they charge you roaming.
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wfine81

Oct 6, 2006, 2:13 PM
There arent that many holes (white area), and there is 100% no roaming charges anywehre in the country
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wombough

Oct 6, 2006, 9:34 PM
ok so that tells me that sprint has better roaming coverage. Right or Wrong?
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wombough

Oct 5, 2006, 7:00 PM
your right. Don't ge me wrong I like verizon. And would love to see a merger of the two. Just would hope they keep the best they each have to offer. I heard a rumor so it probable isn't true that sprint was inquiring about vodaphones stake in verizon.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 7:18 PM
Just that I don’t think Verizon can be the leader like it is now with voice without offering some kinda 4g+ network and those are just rumors and a VZW/Sprint merger would never ever pass regulatory hurdles without major major concessions an divestitures. Remember, Cingular and ATTWS merger? Well, there were many divestitures in order to have the deal closed and when you combine VZW and Sprint since it is a lot bigger than Cingular and ATTWS combined, it will have further consequences and divestitures.

Thus, it would not be worth it to VZW or Sprint to merge. I think the possibility and rumors that are swirling around are possibly if Voda was to sell their VZW stake, they would buy it Sprint.
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phonerboi74

Oct 15, 2006, 12:52 PM
yeah...i agree if verizon ever merged with sprextel than that would almost be a monopoly (don't bash, i did say almost)...

but if verizon ever did merge with someone, i would like to see them merge with t-mobile...that would bring rise to a world of wireless providers similar to the world of auto carmakers... i.e. *the big three* u.s. companies would be combatting everyone else from europe...but of course t-mobile is already huge in europe
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 6:06 PM
It is hands down that Verizon has a bigger network but I agree with you that Sprint is a better network, and now with the Nextel assets in the 1.9ghz, 2.5ghz and 800mhz bands and those 10s of thousands of towers they will be able to have a huge network that is both better and more efficient then Verizon and their peers. Once they put those assets together on the CDMA network, I would have to say watch out.
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 6:08 PM
How is Sprints network better?

Gotta run check back later
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 6:13 PM
Their network is better with capacity and data. If Sprint uses their spectrum better, and I think they will with West at the helm, they will have a bigger, better and stronger network than Verizon. All Sprint needs to do is to put more towers out there where there are holes and blanks in the coverage, unfortunately, its not so easy.

The problem is, not many people believe that, since Sprint’s name is not very good with consumers.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 6:03 PM
Well right now it is too difficult to say, but I think if everything works in their favor which it seems to be with signing on deals, getting that huge joint venture, rolling out new products, that they will be able to beat out Verizon within the next couple years, however, if they don’t turn around and execute they could face some problems but it will be fixed. I think starting in late 2007 early 08 and up until 2010, I think Sprint will be a very strong player and will probably overthrown Verizon and I actually think Verizon could suffer if they do not do anything besides for REV O, REV A, and possibly REV B to compete with Wimax, and HSDPA.
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wfine81

Oct 5, 2006, 6:05 PM
True, but each carrier has to play their cards right, right now Sprint has to play catch up.

I would love to see Sprint become a quality network.
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nextel18

Oct 5, 2006, 6:09 PM
I am not sure it is about catching up rather than executing because Sprint has tremendous products and solutions and assets but the most important thing is to execute on their goals and plans or else they will be in a world of trouble and that is with every company out there too. We saw it with T-mobile and with Cingular.


In my area, Sprint is excellent.
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BennyBoy940

Oct 5, 2006, 7:29 PM
ok earth to you sanyo phones+ccrap!
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satch of the moe

Oct 15, 2006, 8:52 AM
how about raising the text messaging rates from .10 to .15 and then letting customers out of their contracts

not sure on this but i heard raising the per kb rate on non unlim data plans from 0.02 to 0.03 per kb.

barely signing any customers in the prev quarter.

ignoring boost mobile and nextel like idiots when they spent all of the money to aquire them

yeah go sprint continue your great ways of business and let see if can actually stay in business. 🤣
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