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Sprint to potential sell off their iDEN network

Saint.Patrick

Oct 7, 2008, 4:54 PM
How may forum members here feel that divesting of Sprint's iDEN wireless network would be a positive initiative on Sprint's part? I started with Sprint in one of their Nextel Communications branded (post merger) retail stores and by sales ratio was 90% CDMA and 10% iDEN. If one of my customers/potentials did not need a rugged phone, GPS/LBS applications or PTT, I steered the person as far away as possible from a Nextel wireless device. Why you may ask? The sound quality of iDEN is definitely not better than CDMA (anyone remember TDMA?) and if you attempted to use a Nextel wireless device outside the iDEN network, you were FUTA royally with pretty much a paperweight in your hand. I pray every day good ole Danny Boy unloads iDEN to someone els...
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Sprint_2008

Oct 7, 2008, 5:24 PM
If Nextel goes we'll have to change billing systems ☹️
Ensemble was owned by Nextel. P2K, Sprint payed a company to use the Billing system. So does Convergys etc...
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thejuror

Oct 7, 2008, 5:51 PM
that's going to be really bad news. I just remembered how hard it had been while p2k is being converted to ensemble.
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jrfdsf

Oct 7, 2008, 6:35 PM
Saint.Patrick said:
How may forum members here feel that divesting of Sprint's iDEN wireless network would be a positive initiative on Sprint's part? I started with Sprint in one of their Nextel Communications branded (post merger) retail stores and by sales ratio was 90% CDMA and 10% iDEN. If one of my customers/potentials did not need a rugged phone, GPS/LBS applications or PTT, I steered the person as far away as possible from a Nextel wireless device. Why you may ask? The sound quality of iDEN is definitely not better than CDMA (anyone remember TDMA?) and if you attempted to use a Nextel wireless device outside the iDEN network, you were FUTA royally with pretty much a paperweight in your hand. I pray every day good o
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Saint.Patrick

Oct 7, 2008, 9:37 PM
I don't consider DirectTalk in the conventional scheme of the wireless realm. Even though DirectTalk works up to a 6 mile range, there are stil quite a few iDEN handsets that don't have the DirectTalk capability. Even with roaming, business still can have reliable communications with one another. True, Sprint mobile to mobile doesn't apply while roaming, but at least I know that if I need to dial 911 and I have a wireless signal, I can rest be assured of peace of mind. That can't be said if this same scenario occured outside the DEN network. Currently Sprint has 5 NDC on Sprint, 3 of which are compliant to military specification 810F where as Verizon Wireless only has 2, both 810F compliant. You have to look at the big picture. 13 million su...
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Sprint_Fan2112

Oct 8, 2008, 8:30 AM
If it weren't for Sprint's no-deposit way of biz, I wouldn't have gotten a phone 4 years ago. I applaud Sprint for doing this and have been a happy customer for years. I see people constantly complaining about customer service from Sprint. I've had nothing but GOOD experiences with Sprint's customer service. I hope they steer the ship in the right direction soon! If unloading Nextel is the way to do it, then do it.
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Nadesico81

Oct 8, 2008, 10:04 AM
One could say Sprint got its self into a Subprime mess if you ask me. When Sprint offerd NO deposit 60% of new activations never paied there first bill. Most accounts were charged back in 90 days.

But back in early 2002-2003 Sprint was the only network that had that sort of low deposit or no deposit. And most of the time they gave out a free phone. Any remember the Kyocera 2035 or the LG-1010?

Every time I delt with a customer who complained there phone was shut off for no reason. It was a Sprint customer 90 days into there contract with no first payment on file.

On the other hand VZW customers never had issues with non payment. Most complaints were based around other common things like broken phones and minor billing mistakes.
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jrfdsf

Oct 9, 2008, 4:46 PM
Saint.Patrick said:
I don't consider DirectTalk in the conventional scheme of the wireless realm. Even though DirectTalk works up to a 6 mile range, there are stil quite a few iDEN handsets that don't have the DirectTalk capability. Even with roaming, business still can have reliable communications with one another. True, Sprint mobile to mobile doesn't apply while roaming, but at least I know that if I need to dial 911 and I have a wireless signal, I can rest be assured of peace of mind. That can't be said if this same scenario occured outside the DEN network. Currently Sprint has 5 NDC on Sprint, 3 of which are compliant to military specification 810F where as Verizon Wireless only has 2, both 810F compliant. You have t
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jrfdsf

Oct 9, 2008, 4:53 PM
jrfdsf said:
Saint.Patrick said:
I don't consider DirectTalk in the conventional scheme of the wireless realm. Even though DirectTalk works up to a 6 mile range, there are stil quite a few iDEN handsets that don't have the DirectTalk capability. Even with roaming, business still can have reliable communications with one another. True, Sprint mobile to mobile doesn't apply while roaming, but at least I know that if I need to dial 911 and I have a wireless signal, I can rest be assured of peace of mind. That can't be said if this same scenario occured outside the DEN network. Currently Sprint has 5 NDC on Sprint, 3 of which are compliant to military specification 810F where as Verizon Wireless only has 2
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DiamondPro

Oct 14, 2008, 12:56 AM
This will forever be one of Sprint biggest challenges to get ride of the iden network would mean more support for its cdma towers and infrastructure which could also bring back the great customer service we had and restore Sprint reputation in that category but this would also cost Sprint customers that use this feature and depend on it. Kinda like a 2 edge sword 😕 Regardless if they choose to out the tower this would mean ever better coverage than they have now and better service overall. Although Sprint has never been one to take features away but mearly improve upon them. Cant wait to see what wi-max has to offer.
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cellphonesaretools

Oct 8, 2008, 1:18 AM
SaintPatrick said: "...I steered the person as far away as possible from a Nextel wireless device. Why you may ask? The sound quality of iDEN is definitely not better than CDMA."

And also said: "All I can say is, I subtly discourage anyone from establishing new wireless service on the iDEN side as well swaying current iDEN customers to leave their Nextel service in the dust and come over to real service."

You, SP, obviously know nothing of the Nextel heritage, nor the demographics of the former Nextel subscriber base, nor the value of the Nextel system.

The only legitimate point you've made is that on average, CDMA has better sound quality than iDEN; any reasonable person can agree with that one statement. But iDEN's audio is still ...
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Saint.Patrick

Oct 8, 2008, 8:53 AM
I do know quite a bit about Nextel's culture, history and value as I started with Sprint in a premerger Nextel Communications retail store and carried a Motorola i730. Sprint won't lose any spectrum nor HPPTT technology as Sprint is simply looking to unload the 800 MHz iDEN network and subscriber base. I take it you the iDEN fanboy version of Ray Carroll based on your attempt to reply to this posting. With Dan Hesse now at the helm of Sprint, great things will happen. Look at his accomplishments while he was the CEO of AT&T Wireless before he left for Terrabeam.
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cellphonesaretools

Oct 8, 2008, 9:47 PM
SP said: "I do know quite a bit about Nextel's culture,..."
> But you stated that you started with Sprint, not Nextel, and even though you started with Sprint in a former Nextel store, you started post-merger, which means you never really knew the genuine Nextel culture. Sprint changed it dramatically from day two.

SP said: "Sprint won't lose any spectrum nor HPPTT technology..."
> I'm sure you're correct on that point. Sprint can't afford to lose even one iota of the massive spectrum benefits and HP-PTT they sucked out of Nextel. To give any of it up would be suicide for Sprint, because Sprint was weak and non-innovative and in decline for the last several years before the merger, so they had to grab onto some kind of a lifeline, and...
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bkw212007

Oct 16, 2008, 8:03 PM
Thank you, cellphonesaretools. It's about time someone got the facts straight.

I was a Nextel customer for quite some time, but after Sprint came into the picture, I could could only watch my phone service and customer service drop for so long before I had to switch.

It's a real shame that a "company" like Sprint got aholed of Nextel and ruined it in practically no time. I do hope Sprint sell's off the iDEN network, and I'd really like to see Nextel come back to what it once was. If that were to happen, I'd sign back up in a heartbeat.


By the way, "Sprintified girlie-person" is very creative. I like it. 🤣
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drake

Oct 8, 2008, 11:16 AM
When he bought the Nextel network he said it would be profitable. In turn Sprint has become the biggest headache when it comes to resolving issues becasue all the techs have to learn the resolve for not only one, but two networks. Plus not to mention all the time and money they invested into it.
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