Motorola Decides to Stay in Chicago

Azeron said:
Would it be preferable if Motorola had been allowed to walk? How many jobs would have been lost? I'm curious what your solution would have been.

You talk as if there is a solution.

There has to be a better way if this result is so repulsive to you.

Azeron said:
There has to be a better way if this result is so repulsive to you.

Sure, there are things which repulse me. Doesn't always mean there's a better way.

muchdrama said:


Sure, there are things which repulse me. Doesn't always mean there's a better way.

Wow. Isn't that your philosophy on America?

planethulk said:


Wow. Isn't that your philosophy on America?

I've reported you to Rich. I've asked repeatedly for you to leave me alone.

You responded to MY POST. You want to be "left alone"? Stay out of my posts. Seeing as I have not received any warnings from anyone on the matter, I'm guessing I didn't violate any terms of service. I'm not the one with a potty mouth that can't keep my temper in check. Breathe, Drama. It's phonescoop.

Another solution? Industry incentive packages geared toward the employee vs the corporate tax rate being held ransom. I'm talking about health care/child care subsidies, even housing (if the city has a large enough telecom technology industry) or however you wanted to break it down, making it most costly in the long run in the back end employee costs motorola has to shoulder should they decide to go somewhere else. but to cave directly at their threat shows no business acumen on the parts of these legislators. Incentives to stay might be necessary, to be sure, but make sure those incentives benefit your constituents while making it more costly for the company to leave.

+1 Thumbs up.

Let them effing walk and keep corporations out of government decisions.

Good that you are so concerned about individuals, and that apparently you are going to support all of the unemployed workers when the company moves. Your "idealism" blinds you to reality.

Your fascism blinds you to reality. That's what it is. When corporations make the decisions for our governments that is called fascism. And none of your yes man crap will change that. Those workers were working somewhere else when Motorola and Twitter showed up. They have the option to move with the company or find a new job.
What you are talking about is the usual "let's make them afraid to stand up to us" crap that has ruined our country.

I also find it ironic that you would say imply that I don't care about individuals... That was my whole point. The government would not offer me as an individual the same rights and privileges that it offers these corporations. These corporations don't give a damn about the individual and they are trying to force the government to have the same policy.

How did they "force" them to do anything. You are telling me, if you had a business that would operate cheaper somewhere else, you wouldn't move it? And if a large part of your communtity was employed by this company, as a legislator, you wouldn't do what you can to keep them here? I'm just so tired of all the corporate hating, conspiracy theorizing, government haters. Why can it just be people trying to do their jobs? I have never met the "Evil Matermind" out there running these companies thinking, "How can I screw people out of their hard earned casd, today?" Everyone I know and have ever met is somebody in the rat race doing there best to be as successful as possible. Trying to make money and pull themselves out of the muck of the world. ...
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Wow. That is a huge paragraph. All you had to say was that you were a corporate yes man with a large streak of naivety.

These corporations don't like the laws so they blackmail the local cities and towns with the threat of bankrupting them by taking their businesses elsewhere to get what they want.
Please do not compare the struggles of the normal everyday man with the "struggles" of multi-million dollar big business. It's insulting and only enhances that "Yes Man" aura you seem to carry like a flag. These companies run with the help of gigantic subsidies paid for by the tax payer. They don't need any more incentives to do what they are doing. You have said repeatedly that you would like to see cell phone subsidies disappear. I'm guessing that you don't agree with corporations giving up the billions of dollars in subsidies they get. Companies like Twitter an...
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You know, all I do is try to think about thing by putting my self in their shoes to find out what I'd do in the same situation. Sometimes, it is just simple. Sometimes. Companies do what companies do, and I do what I do. I don't care because I'm gonna do what I do. I'm gonna work. I'm gonna pay bills, and I'm gonna live in America. When it get too much for me to handle, I'll leave. I CHOOSE to believe in people and the good in them. It's not about being a "Yes Man" it's about shutting up, doing my job, getting paid, and enjoying my life.

Wow. It looks like telling you to do what you already admit to doing is a "terms of service violation" 🤣

By all means... get on with the DOING YOUR JOB PART. 🤣

You must not be a very good employee if you have all day to single me out and attack me all day.

Cosmic Spiderman said:
Your "idealism" blinds you to reality.

That's what people say when it's inconvenient to do the "right thing".

THANK YOU! Is everyone missing the fact that Motorola provides JOBS!? If they leave, people lose jobs! Planethulk, I think you are just anti-EVERYTHING that doesn't benefit you! You throw around the words "fascist" and "fascism" like a cover-all-blanket for anyone that doesn't agree with you. Guess I'm a "fascist"... 😕

How do any of your words actually make sense? Motorola provides jobs. So does Twitter. That doesn't give them the right to screw over the people they are employing! How is it fair that these corporations get government subsidies and then don't have to pay taxes? Excuse me? So let me get this straight. You are okay with working for Motorola, being taxed by the local and federal government, having those taxes paid back to Motorola and then you're cool with Motorola not paying any taxes? Mussolini was the one who coined the Corporate Fascist term and HE WAS A FASCIST. When big business and Government combine, that is FASCISM. I'm sorry you are ignorant of the truth or ignorant of the definition.
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I'm trying to figure out why your response to me not liking what a corporation is doing amounts to personal attacks. Why do you defend these companies? Time and time again, you jump to the defense of companies who charge too much and don't want to pay taxes and you do it by attacking people who speak out against them. Are you Rush Limbaugh?

I don't feel that it is personal attacks, it's that you throw around the word "fascist" like you have Tourette Syndrome and have no choice. I'm not jumping to the defense of anything but people. Company decisions aren't made by one man twisting his mustache. They are made by several people trying to do what is best for that company, just like I would do for my own company. I don't fault them. It's business. I don't fault a company for trying to make as much money as possible. I don't think that they thought to themselves, "Let's blackmail this city with threats to leave so they will give us tax breaks!" But, this tax break benefited not just Motorola, but all business owners in Illinois. As a small business owner, I wouldn't have had the abi...
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That's just a bold faced lie. You have never come to the defense of anyone on here except for the company you work for. What small business do you own? Is Verizon Wireless yours? Or are you just the manager of a mall kiosk? You are an employee of theirs so please don't insult anyone's intelligence by saying otherwise. I don't really give a damn if you "feel" like it isn't personal attacks. When you say my name and then start throwing baseless insults, that is a personal attack. What's even worse is that (like most dirty scum sucking politicians) you try to twist my words and your own position to portray yourself as some sort of "man of the people" defending the rights of the few. Give me a break! You ATTACKED ME because of my stance against ...
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So, you have been on here since the end of March, but you know what I've done and haven't done on here. Hmmm. And I attacked you? When did I attack you? I said that you throw around the word "fascist" and "fascism". Was that an attack? As usual, CamelTowing, you are harsh and evil in the way you address people on here. No respect for anyone elses opinions or view points. You pass your judgement as if you are the only person that is right. Anyone that disagrees with you is ignorant. I understand your opinion, while I don't share it, but you NEVER try to see it from anyone's point of veiw but your own. Then you start insulting. "Yes Man", "Facsist" etc. When will you ever, regardless of what name you use, try to have a civil discussion?

Did you just call me a camel tow? I don't know who the hell you are confusing me with, but it's clearly written in your own words that you attacked me with personal insults. I never even said a word to you. I may attack your idiotic beliefs but I never insulted you. You are the one who keeps doing that.

Link where I insulted you. If I did, it was purely unintentional. But I am curious to where you took such offence.

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

Here you said I have tourettes. And to say it was "unintentional" is an insult to anyone with a brain.

You don't like the fact that you live in a fascist society? Be sure to attack me and my opinions. Then try to discredit my words by implying I have tourettes. That's exactly what fascists do. You sound like the Drama guy. He doesn't post as much since he got "admonished" for losing his temper. Maybe he is you and you just like to start crap with people. Either way, arguing with you is pointless. You are a hateful small minded weak willed person who likes to pick fights with people who speak out against what they feel is wrong. It's very clear who and what side you are...
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And not to mention you just called me a "camel toe". Less than 3 months ago, my platoon would have shot you dead for calling their LT such a name. Jarheads don't like to be called camel anything. Much less a camel toe.

I did not say you had Tourette Syndrome! I said you throw around that word as if you have Tourette's. And I don't care is I live in a fascist society!

Here is the link where you called me a "Yes Man" and said I was niave"
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

Here is where you imply that I'm not,"cunning, well spoken, charming, manipulative, highly intelligent" enough to be a fascist.
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
And I didn't call you a "camel tow", I called you by the name of another poster went by, "CamelTowing" who sounded AMAZINGLY like you, stopped posting around March and strangely enough, you just created this account Around that time and act like you have...
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Wow I called you a corporate yes man. I wonder if the sky gets insulted when people call it blue.
But I take back the "insult" about you NOT being a fascist.
"Arguing with so many people"?
That's funny because the two people who I argued with posted replies to MY posts and felt so strongly about it that it made them LIKE angry little children with no rocks to throw.
See how I used "LIKE"? That means I didn't really insult you. It was only "LIKE" being insulted.
And I can't read properly?
"And I don't care is I live in a fascist society!"
You just typed this and I have the reading problem?

Really? That's not a reading problem, it's called a typo. But you can't expect much from us lowly mall kiosk owners and managers. Too bad I can't be as cool as you... 🙄

Well how can you expect me to read your drivel unless you can type it correctly?
Again, you keep coming back like a heroin addict.
If my words mean so little and are completely false, why keep coming back here to talk about them?
"Methinks thou dost protest to much"
By all means, keep coming back to debate me. You only give me a platform to express more of my views. You must be very very interested in hearing them because you are constantly confronting me. I can't wait. Next time we will discuss how Corporations use small minded fools to do their bidding.

I had an account here about 7 years ago. I have since forgotten the name and password so I just created a new one. By the way, looking at ur profile shows about 50+ posts just since late april. You attacked me when I said the new samsung from verizon was overpriced so you obviously just have a personal grudge against me. Why you would champion such things as Samsungs crappy products and corporate power over normal citizens is beyond me. It seems just by going through ur posts you are everything you accuse me of being. You think you and your opinion are superior to everyone's.