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Yet again, the buzz word. 4G! Not impressed

daperez121

Dec 2, 2010, 11:09 AM
So who is getting tired of hearing these companies claiming to have 4G? It's all just a marketing ploy and the real fans know this is a really SLOW 4G Speed, 5-12mpbs. The day we get to 100mpbs, that will be truly impressive and that company deserves to call its network True 4G!
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trenen

Dec 2, 2010, 1:24 PM
It IS 4G. This is the 4th generation of technology in the states. And seriously...100 on a cellular network? 5-12 is what you get on hard-line services! I think that's a pretty damn good number for a CELLULAR NETWORK. You guys are insane and will never be please with anything I feel.
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CellStudent

Dec 2, 2010, 1:52 PM
trenen said:
It IS 4G. This is the 4th generation of technology in the states. And seriously...100 on a cellular network? 5-12 is what you get on hard-line services! I think that's a pretty damn good number for a CELLULAR NETWORK. You guys are insane and will never be please with anything I feel.



The MINIMUM benchmark for 4G service is 100 Mbps for wireless devices while in motion and 1000 Mbps for a stationary wireless device.

No one comes even close, and it's likely that no one ever will.

The bar for 4G is too high and unrealistic. The standards should be a 10x to 20x performance increase over 3G rather than 100x to 250x as they stand now. However, that does not give Sprint, T-mobile o...
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trenen

Dec 2, 2010, 3:16 PM
I guess you missed my point when I said "This is the 4th generation of technology in the states". I didn't say it was '4G spec'.
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Celling_it

Dec 2, 2010, 9:05 PM
Why do you need faster than 30ms latency??? 50 ms is considered real time. Faster than real time does not benefit anyone.
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DiamondPro

Dec 2, 2010, 9:09 PM
Wow thats the smartest post I have ever seen u do. Bravo Bravo!

Sprint is not trying to redefine the term 4G they were using the term long before the ITU finally decided to get off there A$$ and make one. But after the ITU define the term tmobile and verizon still decided to go ahead and mislead customers and tell complete lies by marketing there networks as 4g. ๐Ÿ‘€ Knowing the actually dont have 4g but 3.9g tmobile and verizon are still lying and calling there networks 4g. ๐Ÿคจ But the fact is Sprint has and still is using 4g technology and so is verizon. ๐Ÿ˜ Tmobile is not they are using a 3g tech and marketing it as 4g. โ˜น๏ธ Have u no shame teen-mobile? Smh. Sprint coined the term and they had every r...
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epik

Dec 3, 2010, 10:27 AM
How on earth did Sprint "coin the term" 4G? Did they have the foresight decades ago to do that?

And from what I can discern from your confusing emoticon-laden paragraph, are you saying it's OK for Sprint to use the term "4G" because they "coined" it before the ITU decided the technical specification for 4G, and that Verizon and T-Mobile decided "to go ahead and mislead customers" with their 4G claims?

So as long as I get in there before someone makes a decision on a technical specification, I'm ok?

Or how about this. Verizon's been talking 4G for three years, since they announced LTE in 2007, branded as 4G. Does that count?

Or maybe, by ITU standards, everyone is wrong, regardless of when they started using the term "4G?"
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DiamondPro

Dec 5, 2010, 5:56 PM
Neither did verizon with the Term "Droid" which is why they pay millions in royalty just to use the word Droid in there advertising. But that doesn't mean big red didnt make it popular and bring android to the masses. Same with Sprint an the term 4g except they are not paying royalty fees to anyone to use the word 4g.

You completely missed my point but that doesn't surprise me. Sprint was using the term 4g first and for a a long time before the average Joe even knew what 4g meant and now that Sprints marketing its finally starting to pay off tmobile and verizon wanna piggy back on Sprint's Success.

Its obvious that tmobile is riding Sprint success with the Evo and Epic 4g with calling there new my touch a 4g phone and pumping out that...
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epik

Dec 5, 2010, 6:59 PM
Well, you DID write this:
Sprint is not trying to redefine the term 4G they were using the term long before the ITU finally decided to get off there A$$ and make one. But after the ITU define the term tmobile and verizon still decided to go ahead and mislead customers and tell complete lies by marketing there networks as 4g. Knowing the actually dont have 4g but 3.9g tmobile and verizon are still lying and calling there networks 4g. But the fact is Sprint has and still is using 4g technology and so is verizon. Tmobile is not they are using a 3g tech and marketing it as 4g. Have u no shame teen-mobile? Smh. Sprint coined the term and they had every right to they had a 4g network in place first making them the nownetwork. Every
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tmorep03

Dec 3, 2010, 10:46 AM
you are the biggest fanboy out there right now. you could not pay me to be a sprint customer.
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DiamondPro

Dec 5, 2010, 6:01 PM
Not really, but u are the biggest tmobile loser on the planet stay on your inferior network I could careless. You could not pay me to switch to tmobile but tmobile obviously pays u ๐Ÿคฃ
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CamelTowing

Dec 3, 2010, 6:02 PM
CellStudent said:


The MINIMUM benchmark for 4G service is 100 Mbps for wireless devices while in motion and 1000 Mbps for a stationary wireless device.

No one comes even close, and it's likely that no one ever will.

The bar for 4G is too high and unrealistic. The standards should be a 10x to 20x performance increase over 3G rather than 100x to 250x as they stand now. However, that does not give Sprint, T-mobile or Verizon the flexibility to redefine the terminology.

The ITU engineers comprise the only organization which can change that definition, not T-mobile's Chief Marketing Officer or anyone else.

If I had my way, 4G would be defined at 20+ Mbps downlinks with 5+ Mbps uplinks and better than
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DiamondPro

Dec 5, 2010, 6:13 PM
I'm waiting for the same info. So far Sprint has just as much claim to the term 4g as the ITU because they were using it first. Had the ITU had a clear definition in place before Sprint rolled out wimax and were marketing there network as 4g sprint would not be using the term. I cant say the same about Verizon or tmobile because the ITU had a clear definition in place before they began there marketing (tmobile) or had a operational network (Verizon).
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atandtrep

Dec 2, 2010, 8:20 PM
and when 100 mbps comes it will be slow, because 1000 mbps will be on the horizon. does anyone remember when 56k was lightning fast? it wasn't that long ago. or maybe i am just old.
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MrLynd54

Dec 2, 2010, 9:56 PM
Here is something I found today on the CNN.COM web site. NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- You've seen the 4G advertisements from T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon, bragging about a much-better wireless network with blazing fast speeds. Here's the secret the carriers don't advertise: 4G is a myth. Like the unicorn, it hasn't been spotted anywhere in the wild just yet -- and won't be any time in the near future. The International Telecommunication Union, the global wireless standards-setting organization, determined last month that 4G is defined as a network capable of download speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps). That's fast enough to download an average high-definition movie in about three minutes.
None of the new networks the carriers are rollin...
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epik

Dec 3, 2010, 10:29 AM
Because 3.8G isn't marketable. We have Apple and the "3G" stupidity to thank for that.
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epik

Dec 3, 2010, 10:31 AM
Incidentally, a large number of customers I helped when the term "3G" became popular, thanks to Apple's marketing team, asking me "how many Gs" are in their phones. They thought it was something inside the phone. For those who didn't think it was something inside the phone, most didn't even know what "3" or "G" was even referring to.
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bearofpanda

Dec 3, 2010, 12:40 PM
yeah it won't be long until ATT has to launch a faux g network so they can compete. We all know it has nothing to do with actual speeds. It's all about the marketing and with ATT not saying "we have 4g too" their customers are going to start getting upset. I honestly with the FCC would step in on this one and say no you can't call it 4g without 4g speeds that's straight up false advertising in my eyes
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epik

Dec 3, 2010, 12:57 PM
I don't disagree that it's misleading, but what else are they doing to do? If we used "WiMAX" and "LTE" and "HSPA+" terms, customers would be lost. Customers don't "get" complicated or technical jargon. "3G," "4G," and other simplistic terms are still jargon, but customers can wrap their heads around it better.

Using the term "4G" isn't necessarily false advertising, in the traditional sense, because 99% of consumers won't know the technical specification of what it means to be 4G, or anything else.

In 1993, the FDA had to create labeling guidelines to reel in the food industry. People were looking for "lite" foods. Food manufacturers could put "lite" on their label and then claim it's because the consistency is lite, n...
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