Nokia Statement Backs Apple's iPhone Defense
No way I'm getting an iPhone now
Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone âšī¸ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect for Apple had they done a recall. I ...
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MrGuder said:...
I was actually in the market for a new phone. I was getting tired of my old Crackberry and I was highly contemplating on purchasing the iPhone 4. But after hearing about all the issues with it on top of AT&T's newly changed data plans, I'm going with the Evo 4g now indefinitely. Those were my two choices and I was torn between the tool but this pretty much sealed the deal. A friend of mine who lives nearby has Clear and he says it's great. Sprint coverage is good over here too.
Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone âšī¸ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect fo
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You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you determine that:
1) The iPhone 4 needed to be recalled
2) Apple was BSing about RIM. (Hint: they stated outright that "Death Gripping" these phones doesn't work everywhere, just that in similar situations that it is possible.)
Your never ending tenacity to set everyone straight on what YOU believe, is like an epic of poor reruns in the wireless equivalent of sitcoms.
I have an Evo, it is one of the best handsets I have ever owned since '86.
You happen to fit into the common denominator of Apple's representatives. Always claim you're the best and never admit you're wrong.
I'm a developer for WebOS and Android, and also an Apple developer. I use a lot of handsets, and have active accounts on AT&T (for 3 years) and Sprint (for 6 years) with intermittent service on T-Mo and Verizon.
Along with that I get to use review units. You can name the handset and I've used it- and I don't mean played around with it for 2 minutes at Best Buy.
I'm able to cut through a lot of the bullcrap. A lot of the bullcrap is directed at the iPhone these days from misinformed Android fas, back in the day it was directed at the Blackberry from misinformed WinMo fans.
If I'm saying someth ...
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Let's move ahead here. I really don't care how many phones you have worked with or had experience with. I am a technician by trade and deal with logical answers and complex computation within control systems. I used to work for a radio station in which I was required to hold a second class license in radio-telephone for working on transmitters and receivers. While it...
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Yes, consumers now have a choice to accept an INFERIOR product from Apple...witha free case/bumper, or they can takeit back. There really isn't much more a company can do in the interest of customer satisfaction.
HOWEVER....that does NOTHING to mitigate the behavior of Apple, and Steve...and how this has been handled. That WHOLE presentation was another example of the tail wagging the dog.
Personally, I've never had a phone wher...
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I'm not saying the laws of physics don't apply, but I'm saying armchair RF engineering (without an iPhone 4 in hand and other phones for an accurate side by side comparison) is just as bad as those people using basic physics to prove 9/11 was an inside job.
You haven't been correct at all in pointing out the deficiency. I've stated (fairly neutrally) that the attenuation on the iPhone 4 is exactly on par with other phones (e.g. the Nexus One, http://bit.ly/9g6zPs ). When it happens, not...
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I specifically said as Apple and every other manufacturer said, there are antennuation issues with every phone. Here is the difference:
In areas of weak signal and building penetration, gripping the iPhone4 in a certain area, is more susceptible to reception deficiencies than other handsets. Including previous iphones. I have seen it first hand. Two of my colleagues reverted back to their 3Gs' due to this sad but real situation. It is undeniable and cannot be refuted. Strong signal areas need not apply. So, you are the one that needs to stop the witch hunt. Your precious Apple will recover from th...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TclSVCPzEs »
Here's a video of a company working on a pretty nice fix to the issue. They also display just how severe the issue with the iPhone 4 is.
The phone only needs a clear coat to solve the very real issue with the antenna. If only Apple had thought of that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
BTW, I tried making my phone stop sending/receiving packets of data with one finger, but I can't do it... no matter where I touch it doesn't do that. So how can you say the iPhone 4 is no different from every other phone?
iPhone 4 tested against 7 different handsets.
Evo, Droid X, Nexus One, 3GS and the HTC Aria do not have significant signal drop as the iPhone 4 does.
The only phone that had remotely close to similar results was the Samsung Captivate.
Apple desperately wants everyone to believe that the iPhone 4 doesn't have a problem, but the only person here who they have fooled seems to be you.
Including those iPhone users who have reported issues with their iPhones... They're just Android users too (in disguise).
One question though, how did you manage to cyber stalk every single person to ever comment negatively on the iPhone and discover that they were all Android users? I'm really curious, and impressed!
It's okay if you don't want to answer, trade secret and whatnot.
If we're to believe the numbers, less than 1% of iPhone 4 issues are experiencing the issue enough to be vocal about it. I'd say the number may be closer to 20% based on people I've talked to in person, which is a fairly generous estimate.
Slammer said:
Have you thought about an employment position within Apple?
Your never ending tenacity to set everyone straight on what YOU believe, is like an epic of poor reruns in the wireless equivalent of sitcoms.
I have an Evo, it is one of the best handsets I have ever owned since '86.
You happen to fit into the common denominator of Apple's representatives. Always claim you're the best and never admit you're wrong.
I own an Evo too. He's so full of it. I almost pissed in my pants when he claimed the "bad reception" What a crock lol. He just can't handle the fact that he's wrong so he goes around inventing crap in order to try to make it seem that he actually knows what he's talking about. ...
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bluecoyote said:
You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right? And you do realize you're buying a worse phone because of some moral stance you made up without actually verifying any of it in hand?
You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you determine that:
1) The iPhone 4 needed to be recalled
2) Apple was BSing about RIM. (Hint: they stated outright that "Death Gripping" these phones doesn't work everywhere, just that in similar situations that it is possible.)
Moral stance? I beg your pardon but do you even know me? How do you know I actually haven't used an iPhone 4 previously? For your information a coworker of mine has one and he has the very some problems that the mass...
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You seem to be very biased and very pro-Apple judging by your previous posts here. Are you an employee for Apple or AT&T or just an overzealous fanboy?
No, I'm just someone who actually owns an iPhone 4 and is able to compare it on-hand to numerous other handsets. I'm also, as far as I know, the only iPhone 4 user on PhoneScoop even able to observe any attenuation.
Your moral stance is you're upset how Apple handled the issues, and you think Apple is lying about attenuation on other handsets because you weren't able to produce it yourself.
My point is that just as you weren't able to reproduce it on a Blackberry doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Here's BGR getting it to happen on a Blackberry.
http:...
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Most of us don't even post personal information, and yet you are able to come to the conclusion 100% that not a single person on this website owns an iPhone 4 except for you.
I thought the iPhone 4 was pretty popular, but apparently on a phone website filled with mostly informed consumers, not a single of us informed consumers bothered to purchased an iPhone 4 except for you.
Maybe you are just so intelligent that your opinion matters much more than the rest of us android users here.
And yes, my observations are worth more because I actually own the phone and can test it in any situation I want. My observations are worth more than someone going off of anecdotal evidence. My observations are worth more than someone going off of a Youtube video. My observations are worth more than someone who bought a competing handset.
Is people who constantly trash-talk Apple's technological knowledge seem to be comprised of making a bunch of crap up and referring to anyone who corrects them as a "fanboy" or "apologist."
The following phone manufacturers should keep their mouths shut: RIM, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, HTC, Google (Nexus One), and Palm.
You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right?
Hey since you work/ed for Verizon Wireless, can you tell me how I can remove the Blockbuster app from the "open and customizable" Droid X?
I'm able to cut through a lot of the bullcrap. A lot of the bullcrap is directed at the iPhon...
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"You've trash-talked RIM, Sony, HTC, Motorola, Nokia, and Samsung. You make a bunch of crap up about the iPhone. Then you call everyone whose statements contradict you, Android fans."
No, I call Android fans Android fans.
This is you assuming that I have not used an iPhone 4, WRONG! Yes, I have used one.
For longer than 15 minutes? I'm willing to guess no. It's a guess, not a factual statement. That's different than me stating you don't own one. So sorry that broke your spirits.
Because you basically claim here that iOS4.0.1 will fix the attenuation issue. So then you're one of us ignorant fanboy Android users then I guess!
Funny, I don't se...
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I see now that there is no room for facts in a debate with you. There is only your word against everyone else's, and somehow that's all you need.
Well listen, kid, in the real world you need real world facts to prove your so-called factual statements.
In line with your logic I can say that the nexus one is much better than the iPhone 4, and I came to that conclusion because I own one so by default my opinion must be taken as fact.
I'm willing to guess that no amount of truth, proof, or fact will ever penetrate that thick-stubborn skull of yours.
Additionally, stating that iOS4.0.1 will do anything along the lines of "dat...
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bluecoyote said:
I don't seem to recall saying it eliminated the issue, just that the display of when it happens is more accurate and that above 3 bars there isn't a noticeable decrease in performance. How odd that you would be wrong about that.
20dB is not noticeable???? What are you talking about???? That is a big drop in performance. you talk about knowing how to test these phones, but looks like you have no clue what you are talking about.
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