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No way I'm getting an iPhone now

MrGuder

Jul 18, 2010, 1:56 PM
I was actually in the market for a new phone. I was getting tired of my old Crackberry and I was highly contemplating on purchasing the iPhone 4. But after hearing about all the issues with it on top of AT&T's newly changed data plans, I'm going with the Evo 4g now indefinitely. Those were my two choices and I was torn between the tool but this pretty much sealed the deal. A friend of mine who lives nearby has Clear and he says it's great. Sprint coverage is good over here too.

Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone ☚ī¸ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect for Apple had they done a recall. I ...
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T Bone

Jul 18, 2010, 1:59 PM
The sad part is that under Jobs second tenure Apple has gone from 'it just works, always' to 'hey, no fair other companies make products that suck too!' 🙄
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iDont Care

Jul 18, 2010, 2:27 PM
MrGuder said:
I was actually in the market for a new phone. I was getting tired of my old Crackberry and I was highly contemplating on purchasing the iPhone 4. But after hearing about all the issues with it on top of AT&T's newly changed data plans, I'm going with the Evo 4g now indefinitely. Those were my two choices and I was torn between the tool but this pretty much sealed the deal. A friend of mine who lives nearby has Clear and he says it's great. Sprint coverage is good over here too.

Sorry Apple but you lost this one. Such a shame cause I was very impressed initially. After it's announcement I had quickly decided that it would be my next phone ☚ī¸ No love lost. AT&T sucks anyhow. I would have had more respect fo
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bluecoyote

Jul 18, 2010, 3:32 PM
You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right? And you do realize you're buying a worse phone because of some moral stance you made up without actually verifying any of it in hand?

You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you determine that:

1) The iPhone 4 needed to be recalled

2) Apple was BSing about RIM. (Hint: they stated outright that "Death Gripping" these phones doesn't work everywhere, just that in similar situations that it is possible.)
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Slammer

Jul 18, 2010, 4:38 PM
Have you thought about an employment position within Apple?

Your never ending tenacity to set everyone straight on what YOU believe, is like an epic of poor reruns in the wireless equivalent of sitcoms.

I have an Evo, it is one of the best handsets I have ever owned since '86.

You happen to fit into the common denominator of Apple's representatives. Always claim you're the best and never admit you're wrong.
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bluecoyote

Jul 18, 2010, 5:33 PM
"You happen to fit into the common denominator of Apple's representatives. Always claim you're the best and never admit you're wrong."

I'm a developer for WebOS and Android, and also an Apple developer. I use a lot of handsets, and have active accounts on AT&T (for 3 years) and Sprint (for 6 years) with intermittent service on T-Mo and Verizon.

Along with that I get to use review units. You can name the handset and I've used it- and I don't mean played around with it for 2 minutes at Best Buy.

I'm able to cut through a lot of the bullcrap. A lot of the bullcrap is directed at the iPhone these days from misinformed Android fas, back in the day it was directed at the Blackberry from misinformed WinMo fans.

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Slammer

Jul 18, 2010, 9:13 PM
I'm much older than the average poster in PS which means I don't shoot from the hip nor do I return threats. However, it is very easy for you to sit behind a keyboard and spew abrasive words of intimidation to someone you don't know or have never met, so I will not acknowledge your child like behavior through a phone forum to save you the expense of humiliation on your part.

Let's move ahead here. I really don't care how many phones you have worked with or had experience with. I am a technician by trade and deal with logical answers and complex computation within control systems. I used to work for a radio station in which I was required to hold a second class license in radio-telephone for working on transmitters and receivers. While it...
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Vipermad

Jul 19, 2010, 7:12 AM
SLAMMER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!! I'd give ol' Blue his props if he didn't come across EXACTLY like Steve Jobs. "ther eis no problem....well....at least, no problem that other phones don't have..." And, lets pull other manufacturers into this....lets deflect our (Apple's) problems by muddying the waters a bit.

Yes, consumers now have a choice to accept an INFERIOR product from Apple...witha free case/bumper, or they can takeit back. There really isn't much more a company can do in the interest of customer satisfaction.

HOWEVER....that does NOTHING to mitigate the behavior of Apple, and Steve...and how this has been handled. That WHOLE presentation was another example of the tail wagging the dog.

Personally, I've never had a phone wher...
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Yean

Jul 19, 2010, 7:37 AM
😲 Stands up applauding. WOW!
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bluecoyote

Jul 19, 2010, 4:29 PM
Look, I don't mince words and I don't sugarcoat my replies. I'm not here to be a diplomatic ambassador of any platform or sell people iPhones, I'm here to cut through the bullcrap. So don't clutch a cross and pretend you're taking the high road here.

I'm not saying the laws of physics don't apply, but I'm saying armchair RF engineering (without an iPhone 4 in hand and other phones for an accurate side by side comparison) is just as bad as those people using basic physics to prove 9/11 was an inside job.

You haven't been correct at all in pointing out the deficiency. I've stated (fairly neutrally) that the attenuation on the iPhone 4 is exactly on par with other phones (e.g. the Nexus One, http://bit.ly/9g6zPs ). When it happens, not...
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Slammer

Jul 19, 2010, 5:03 PM
Anecdotal evidence? What part of I did this for a living, did you not absorb? So you have a couple of bucks to throw around. Good for you.

I specifically said as Apple and every other manufacturer said, there are antennuation issues with every phone. Here is the difference:

In areas of weak signal and building penetration, gripping the iPhone4 in a certain area, is more susceptible to reception deficiencies than other handsets. Including previous iphones. I have seen it first hand. Two of my colleagues reverted back to their 3Gs' due to this sad but real situation. It is undeniable and cannot be refuted. Strong signal areas need not apply. So, you are the one that needs to stop the witch hunt. Your precious Apple will recover from th...
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Vipermad

Jul 20, 2010, 3:06 PM
Slammer...don't worry about ol' Blue!! He's in a good place, they feed him three squares a day..he gets to sit on the patio from time to time and pretend he still does something important. Every now and then they even remove his shackles....but he's heavily medicated in those instances, to prevent injury to himself. It is at those specific times they let him use a computer...and he graces US (can you believe our luck!?!?!?!) with his..uh...knowledge! 🙂
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furyx639

Jul 19, 2010, 9:05 PM
I can link to videos too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TclSVCPzEs »

Here's a video of a company working on a pretty nice fix to the issue. They also display just how severe the issue with the iPhone 4 is.

The phone only needs a clear coat to solve the very real issue with the antenna. If only Apple had thought of that then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

BTW, I tried making my phone stop sending/receiving packets of data with one finger, but I can't do it... no matter where I touch it doesn't do that. So how can you say the iPhone 4 is no different from every other phone?
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furyx639

Jul 19, 2010, 9:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dogM4Wu51tc »

iPhone 4 tested against 7 different handsets.

Evo, Droid X, Nexus One, 3GS and the HTC Aria do not have significant signal drop as the iPhone 4 does.

The only phone that had remotely close to similar results was the Samsung Captivate.

Apple desperately wants everyone to believe that the iPhone 4 doesn't have a problem, but the only person here who they have fooled seems to be you.
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furyx639

Jul 18, 2010, 9:41 PM
Yes, because anyone who is unhappy with the iPhone is obviously an Android user.

Including those iPhone users who have reported issues with their iPhones... They're just Android users too (in disguise).

One question though, how did you manage to cyber stalk every single person to ever comment negatively on the iPhone and discover that they were all Android users? I'm really curious, and impressed!

It's okay if you don't want to answer, trade secret and whatnot.
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bluecoyote

Jul 19, 2010, 4:12 PM
I click on user profile and click on "Reviews." Or you know, have just been an active enough member to know someone's profession is schlepping Sprint phones.

If we're to believe the numbers, less than 1% of iPhone 4 issues are experiencing the issue enough to be vocal about it. I'd say the number may be closer to 20% based on people I've talked to in person, which is a fairly generous estimate.
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iDont Care

Jul 18, 2010, 7:59 PM
Slammer said:
Have you thought about an employment position within Apple?

Your never ending tenacity to set everyone straight on what YOU believe, is like an epic of poor reruns in the wireless equivalent of sitcoms.

I have an Evo, it is one of the best handsets I have ever owned since '86.

You happen to fit into the common denominator of Apple's representatives. Always claim you're the best and never admit you're wrong.


I own an Evo too. He's so full of it. I almost pissed in my pants when he claimed the "bad reception" What a crock lol. He just can't handle the fact that he's wrong so he goes around inventing crap in order to try to make it seem that he actually knows what he's talking about. ...
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bluecoyote

Jul 19, 2010, 4:29 PM
So you mean to tell me you think the Evo 4's WiMax reception is good? You wanna go on record and say that?
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furyx639

Jul 19, 2010, 8:19 PM
He may as well, it's no more ridiculous than you going on record saying the iPhone 4 issue is a myth.
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MrGuder

Jul 18, 2010, 7:48 PM
bluecoyote said:
You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right? And you do realize you're buying a worse phone because of some moral stance you made up without actually verifying any of it in hand?

You may want to actually use an iPhone 4 before you determine that:

1) The iPhone 4 needed to be recalled

2) Apple was BSing about RIM. (Hint: they stated outright that "Death Gripping" these phones doesn't work everywhere, just that in similar situations that it is possible.)


Moral stance? I beg your pardon but do you even know me? How do you know I actually haven't used an iPhone 4 previously? For your information a coworker of mine has one and he has the very some problems that the mass...
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bluecoyote

Jul 18, 2010, 8:26 PM
You seem to be very biased and very pro-Apple judging by your previous posts here. Are you an employee for Apple or AT&T or just an overzealous fanboy?


No, I'm just someone who actually owns an iPhone 4 and is able to compare it on-hand to numerous other handsets. I'm also, as far as I know, the only iPhone 4 user on PhoneScoop even able to observe any attenuation.

Your moral stance is you're upset how Apple handled the issues, and you think Apple is lying about attenuation on other handsets because you weren't able to produce it yourself.

My point is that just as you weren't able to reproduce it on a Blackberry doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Here's BGR getting it to happen on a Blackberry.
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furyx639

Jul 18, 2010, 9:44 PM
You must be psychic, being able to know everything about everyone on PhoneScoop.

Most of us don't even post personal information, and yet you are able to come to the conclusion 100% that not a single person on this website owns an iPhone 4 except for you.

I thought the iPhone 4 was pretty popular, but apparently on a phone website filled with mostly informed consumers, not a single of us informed consumers bothered to purchased an iPhone 4 except for you.

Maybe you are just so intelligent that your opinion matters much more than the rest of us android users here.
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bluecoyote

Jul 18, 2010, 11:57 PM
So what? And I never claimed that- Justfinethanku would like to have a word about that. But long story short there aren't many iPhone 4 users yet on Phonescoop, and there are even fewer with a competing handset they can compare it to, and even fewer who have experienced the attenuation issue hands on.

And yes, my observations are worth more because I actually own the phone and can test it in any situation I want. My observations are worth more than someone going off of anecdotal evidence. My observations are worth more than someone going off of a Youtube video. My observations are worth more than someone who bought a competing handset.
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AndroidRules

Jul 19, 2010, 1:18 AM
and you're full of it. You've been humiliated, insulted, pwned and proven wrong over and over and you continually insist on making a complete utter jacka$$ of yourself lmao. Honestly when does it end. Let it go man, let it go
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bluecoyote

Jul 19, 2010, 4:33 PM
Need something else to be wrong about? 😎
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furyx639

Jul 19, 2010, 1:46 AM
Hey hypocrite:
Is people who constantly trash-talk Apple's technological knowledge seem to be comprised of making a bunch of crap up and referring to anyone who corrects them as a "fanboy" or "apologist."


The following phone manufacturers should keep their mouths shut: RIM, Sony Ericsson, Samsung, HTC, Google (Nexus One), and Palm.


You do realize the Evo 4's 4G Reception is horrible, right?


Hey since you work/ed for Verizon Wireless, can you tell me how I can remove the Blockbuster app from the "open and customizable" Droid X?


I'm able to cut through a lot of the bullcrap. A lot of the bullcrap is directed at the iPhon
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bluecoyote

Jul 19, 2010, 4:38 PM
"You've trash-talked RIM, Sony, HTC, Motorola, Nokia, and Samsung. You make a bunch of crap up about the iPhone. Then you call everyone whose statements contradict you, Android fans."

No, I call Android fans Android fans.



This is you assuming that I have not used an iPhone 4, WRONG! Yes, I have used one.

For longer than 15 minutes? I'm willing to guess no. It's a guess, not a factual statement. That's different than me stating you don't own one. So sorry that broke your spirits.




Because you basically claim here that iOS4.0.1 will fix the attenuation issue. So then you're one of us ignorant fanboy Android users then I guess!


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furyx639

Jul 19, 2010, 8:17 PM
Then what do you consider bullcrap directed at the iPhone, huh? Everything that has been said against it?

I see now that there is no room for facts in a debate with you. There is only your word against everyone else's, and somehow that's all you need.

Well listen, kid, in the real world you need real world facts to prove your so-called factual statements.

In line with your logic I can say that the nexus one is much better than the iPhone 4, and I came to that conclusion because I own one so by default my opinion must be taken as fact.

I'm willing to guess that no amount of truth, proof, or fact will ever penetrate that thick-stubborn skull of yours.

Additionally, stating that iOS4.0.1 will do anything along the lines of "dat...
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mamurill

Jul 20, 2010, 10:51 PM
bluecoyote said:
I don't seem to recall saying it eliminated the issue, just that the display of when it happens is more accurate and that above 3 bars there isn't a noticeable decrease in performance. How odd that you would be wrong about that.


20dB is not noticeable???? What are you talking about???? That is a big drop in performance. you talk about knowing how to test these phones, but looks like you have no clue what you are talking about.
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mamurill

Jul 20, 2010, 10:43 PM
Hey Blue, anyone able to reproduce a 20dB drop on their i-phone should return their phone or keep it to use as an i-pod.
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