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Sounds like they are giving in?

JeffdaBeat

Mar 24, 2010, 5:10 PM
I've said it before, Sprint made a bad decision in not going with the LTE standard that everyone else was going for. Where as AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile have the ability of establishing roaming agreements with each other and giving their customer a better experience, Sprint will be a lot like Nextel in that there will be no roaming...unless everyone settles on this where the two services are compatible.

I think Clearwire is saying this because they know WiMAX isn't the future of cellular technology. But we shall see what happens. I think if I could have it my way, I'd just wish everything was LTE. One technology, unlocked phones...it forces the networks to work on service and not providing handsets themselves...
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Slammer

Mar 24, 2010, 5:44 PM
Sprint has said all along that if things didn't work with WiMax, they would switch. However, it is too early to tell. TMO and ATT have said they will go LTE, but no action has begun in building out LTE. Also, TMO is struggling with their own issues and have already expressed an interest to have a partnership(with the naming of Clearwire). In short anything can happen. This is a very crucial moment in the future of 4G. Anybody can claim what they want, yet change their mind. I do believe though everyone will eventually work as one. Sprint and Clearwire own a huge swath of spectrum for 4G that won't need to rely on governvent auctions. This would open up more bandwidth for the other carriers that may need it. So I think that ALL carriers worki...
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algorithmplus

Mar 25, 2010, 7:12 PM
Slammer said:
Also, TMO is struggling with their own issues and have already expressed an interest to have a partnership(with the naming of Clearwire).

Food for thought: if the "potential" for T-Mobile to switch to WiMax with Clear is a possibility, so is the possibility that Clear might switch to LTE. That can go both ways.
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Phineas

Mar 24, 2010, 5:56 PM
Although I agree with the issue that Sprint is doing something outside of the norm just to be first may be a failure, has anyone heard this before:
Sprint went with WiMAX now because there isn't a standard for LTE in the 2.5 GHz range and would not be available for a while after the other markets are already up. Therefore they have chosen something that may be available to do LTE later. Anyone?
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trojandrew

Mar 24, 2010, 6:05 PM
exactly right Phineas, that's what all the WiMax / Sprint haters don't get. Sprint get's to attach its brand to 4G early in the game with a tech that is so closely related to LTE that it won't kill them to convert if that's where the standard goes. WiMax vs LTE? Who cares, they're so flippin close. Seattle test speeds on LTE were 5mbs - 10mbs... hmmm sound like familiar numbers. This isn't blueray vs hddvd where one tech was clearly better then the other. But people always need to hate on something, so hate on; I'll just be rocking my Evo 4G in the meantime.
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Jonathanlc2005

Mar 24, 2010, 6:12 PM
im sorry to do this to you buddy and im sure your a cool guy but blueray is way better then hddvd. 1080p is where its at.
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JoeyEsquire

Mar 24, 2010, 6:15 PM
That's what he implied. He then stated that this was NOT like that, in which one does not have a clear advantage over the other.
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Kayslay34

Mar 25, 2010, 1:35 PM
You sir have the inability to decipher whats going on in a paragraph.
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algorithmplus

Mar 25, 2010, 7:24 PM
trojandrew said:
This isn't blueray vs hddvd where one tech was clearly better then the other.


Tell me...between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, which had better video quality on HDTV? You said one was clearly better than the other...but if I recall correctly, Blu-Ray actually won out because of studio backing to the point HD-DVD couldn't compete. That format war was highly political between the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD camps.

If you ask an average mobile phone user what frequency their phone is operating on, or what spectrum their carrier has in the area, or for many people what kind of technology the the phone uses, most will not know how to answer. When full roll-out is complete, consumers will care about what work...
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pauldg

Mar 24, 2010, 6:53 PM
Phineas said:

Sprint went with WiMAX now because there isn't a standard for LTE in the 2.5 GHz range


You're forgetting that WiMax was NOT a ratified 4G standard when Sprint chose it for their 4G network.

trojandrew said:
... it won't kill them to convert if that's where the standard goes.


If it won't kill them to convert, then why not just convert to LTE, instead of requesting the industry reconcile the two technologies?

This all sounds like 'sour grapes' on Clearwire's part ... they dove into Sprint's premature 4G, and now they're looking for a life vest.
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Voiceofreason27

Mar 24, 2010, 7:23 PM
I would differ with you about "sour grapes". Possibility that sprint or clearwire would want to juggle 2 different network to give more competition. I see this happening..... I think they are both wonderful concepts in regards to the future cell experience. However you must give credit due, when its due.. Sprint deserves it. Its is something new from what we know now as the norm.. When LTE rolls out Verizon or Att will be due of their credit when either one of them decides to go full force with their future network..

Off the record... I think sprint will look into the LTE for the IDEN network. Due to it has some similarity to GSM with the sim cards... And juggle wimax and LTE (Competition and choices for the customers, however still be ...
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jrfdsf

Mar 24, 2010, 7:26 PM
Right. The real sour grapes here are the ones from all the haters who are jealous that their overpriced carrier didn't do 4G first.
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Voiceofreason27

Mar 24, 2010, 7:28 PM
LOL 😲
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algorithmplus

Mar 25, 2010, 7:29 PM
If they want to have *any* roaming coverage or revenue instead of blanketing the entire country with WiMax, they will learn to juggle the two. Either than, or they will learn to migrate to LTE.
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Slammer

Mar 24, 2010, 7:32 PM
Here's an idea. Since you don't have to sign a long term contract with WiMax, why not give them a try until LTE arrives? You really have nothing to lose and you will have something that no other carrier has yet.
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Slammer

Mar 24, 2010, 8:06 PM
It was probably 5 months ago that I think the LTE group said the same thing about LTE working with WiMax. This is business ethics 101.
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algorithmplus

Mar 25, 2010, 7:34 PM
Slammer said:
It was probably 5 months ago that I think the LTE group said the same thing about LTE working with WiMax. This is business ethics 101.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD camps talked about merging the two standards at one time, but talks broke down. I think there will be too much political bickering between carriers, handset manufacturers, and infrastructure vendors for anything to happen. I'm not saying that *is* the case, but I do think that is ultimately what the situation will amount to.
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Azeron

Mar 24, 2010, 9:25 PM
Well...you don't have to sign with Clear to get a 4G only device full retail is rather inexpensive, however Sprint required a two year contract the last time I tried to sign up with them and I was bringing my own phone.
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VDubb

Mar 24, 2010, 8:58 PM
You realize that WiMAX and LTE, both in their current implementation, are 3.9G standard? The next iteration of WiMAX (802.16m) and LTE (LTE-Advanced) are the actual 4G standards.

- VDubb
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bp3dots1

Mar 25, 2010, 7:59 AM
pauldg said:


If it won't kill them to convert, then why not just convert to LTE, instead of requesting the industry reconcile the two technologies?/blockquote>

Sprint can also be thinking, "Hey guys, we already have a proven 4G tech, up and running in multiple cities. It would be sweet if we all used the same thing, and this is the easiest way to go, since we've done all the legwork for you. Hop on!"
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JeffdaBeat

Mar 25, 2010, 9:36 AM
I think that's what Sprint was banking on when they chose WiMAX so early. They'd get the 4G up and running and the other companies would abandon LTE for WiMAX and force roaming agreements on the other carriers as they built up their network. Problem is, no one fell for it. They continued their plans for LTE and Sprint is left with the sole provider of WiMAX. But quite simply, the other carriers don't need Sprint.
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Azeron

Mar 24, 2010, 9:03 PM
It depends. The Metro LTE phone is going to use LTE for data and CDMA for voice. If Verizon does this then there is no voice roaming agreement with AT&T and T-Mobile. I believe Verizon should do this. Why build out an LTE network early and then have AT&T piggy back off of it when they arrive late to the party?
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JeffdaBeat

Mar 25, 2010, 9:44 AM
AT&T isn't late to the party. AT&T's concern for the past year or so is offering the best handsets on the market (something I think is flawed because they should be building the best network, not providing handsets...that's a manufacturer job). AT&T wants to wait until mid 2011 to start building their LTE network because it is closer to the time actual handsets will be manufactured. Also, there will finally be a decision on how to deliver voice over the network, whether it be some new standard or VoIP.

But why would you want Verizon to not have roaming agreements with the other two carriers. I hope you are smart enough to not believe the Verizon commercials. T-Mobile's calling area is big, but AT&T's rivals Verizon. I will say this...eve...
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Azeron

Mar 25, 2010, 6:37 PM
I do not think it is wise for a carrier to set up a network and be forced to allow other carriers to roam on it. No. Sounds like bad business to me. If Verizon builds out it's own DATA network and AT&T has to do the same chances are we will have the same situation we did pre-Alltel buyout. There is a mom and pop where I live which roams off of Verizon outside their home network and touts its "Nationwide" network. They only cover Mississippi and parts of Alabama and Tennessee with their native coverage. How is this fair? It isn't. So yeah let the carriers all build out their own DATA networks. If they make it voice the meddling government will force them to let competitors roam on it and claim it as their own.
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