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I think

Riot Sr.

Sep 17, 2013, 11:39 PM
That it is quite stupid to lock the phone in the first place.
Carrier phones are often optimized to work with a certain network (A&TT by example), and yes, they work with other networks, they crummily work with other carriers.
To get started, because a cheaper service usually isn't as good as the other more expensive service offered by that other bigger carrier. Second, the phone has been optimized for the big carrier's network, so you won't be experiencing an optimal service from your provided (you'd most likely be doing better with a cheaper phone that's been optmiized for the smaller carrier's network)

It is fair enough to be able to sell or hand your old unlocked cellphone to a friend or relative, once you have upgraded to another d...
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Jaden10

Sep 18, 2013, 12:12 AM
The only reason a phone works like crap on an other network is simple. Frequency, if you have a TMobile Galaxy S2, 3, 4 on AT&T you aren't going to use the full potential of that phone. TMobile HSPA+, HSPDA, HSDPA and LTE run on different frequencies then AT&T. And the same is somewhat true of VZW and Sprint.
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Jellz

Sep 18, 2013, 8:57 AM
It's not like Verizon will let you activate a Sprint phone (locked or unlocked) on their network anyways (and vice versa).
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Zpike

Sep 18, 2013, 12:13 AM
Not true.

>>and yes, they work with other networks, they crummily work with other carriers.

Not true. I've seen countless phones that were made for ATT that worked fantastically on T-mobile. In fact, I would say that quite contrarily most ATT phones work just fine on T-mobile's network.

>>To get started, because a cheaper service usually isn't as good as the other more expensive service offered by that other bigger carrier.

Ummm... most T-mobile customers I've met would argue their service is better than ATT's. You're making unfounded generalizations that are subjective at best.

>>Second, the phone has been optimized for the big carrier's network,

Unlocking the phone undoes the only part of that optimization that matters. T...
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 18, 2013, 1:50 AM
Zpike said:


>>To get started, because a cheaper service usually isn't as good as the other more expensive service offered by that other bigger carrier.

Ummm... most T-mobile customers I've met would argue their service is better than ATT's. You're making unfounded generalizations that are subjective at best.

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Um yeah, you just lost all credibility once you said that - should have kept that tidbit for last. T-mobile is nowhere NEAR AT&T. Not even close.
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wirelesscaller

Sep 18, 2013, 8:44 AM
Service is where you use it, all carriers have areas where they out perform their competitors, some in more areas than others. For most people if they have service without negative issues (dropped calls or slow data connections) they don't care about the name of the carrier just if it simply works. Main thing more expensive carriers have are larger footprints and more roaming agreements, but who cares about either if you never go to those odd ball areas they have it, all you or anyone really cares about is about the service of where you are at the moment of use.

I'd like it if they make it where the carrier can't brand the phone with unremovable bloatware that constantly spies on our usage as well as preventing them from locking the pho...
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Zpike

Sep 18, 2013, 2:06 PM
Bah, subjective bull crap. That's your opinion and nothing more. Most of T-mobile's customers feel differently or they wouldn't still have customers. You lost all credibility when you asserted your opinion as fact.
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 19, 2013, 12:03 AM
Zpike said:
Bah, subjective bull crap. That's your opinion and nothing more. Most of T-mobile's customers feel differently or they wouldn't still have customers. You lost all credibility when you asserted your opinion as fact.



Subjective my ass. It's a fact. T-Mobile is a value carrier, far from a premium one such as AT&T or Verizon. Look at independent studies and AT&T walks all over T-Mobile, let alone data speeds, but coverage as well. It's to be expected considering how much more money AT&T has, but that isn't issue at hand, the issue is how you're going to act like an idiot and try to compare T-Mobile to AT&T, let alone say T-Mobile is somehow better - then play it off as "subjective".
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Slammer

Sep 19, 2013, 7:29 AM
---" Look at independent studies and AT&T walks all over T-Mobile"---

The problem with "Independent studies" is that they can be biased. Companies seek agencies that work more in their favor for marketing purposes. I'm not totally disputing what your saying. However, My Mother could be an independent study or your family could be an independent study.

The bottom line is that everything is selective. I may like a Steak somewhere and you might find it not so great. Larger companies such as Verizon and ATT are subjective in being "premium" carriers. I don't find them premium at all. I find them more money than what I need. That's why I stay put on my carrier of "Choice".

John B.
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 19, 2013, 8:15 PM
Slammer said:
---" Look at independent studies and AT&T walks all over T-Mobile"---

The problem with "Independent studies" is that they can be biased. Companies seek agencies that work more in their favor for marketing purposes. I'm not totally disputing what your saying. However, My Mother could be an independent study or your family could be an independent study.

The bottom line is that everything is selective. I may like a Steak somewhere and you might find it not so great. Larger companies such as Verizon and ATT are subjective in being "premium" carriers. I don't find them premium at all. I find them more money than what I need. That's why I stay put on my carrier of "Choice".

John B.



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Slammer

Sep 20, 2013, 6:23 AM
Yes. I am serious. So if I tell you that John's Steakhouse has the best steaks around, you would believe me and tell all your friends about it? Or would you find Panda's is better?

John B.
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Zpike

Sep 19, 2013, 12:01 PM
>>Subjective my ass. It's a fact.

Opinions are not facts, no matter how badly you want them to be. But what's even worse is that what's at issue here is how other people feel about the service they're getting. And you want to be the voice that says all these people would prefer ATT but choose T-mobile anyway. But only a retard would suggest that a company like T-mobile could remain in business with a customer base that's entirely dissatisfied with its service. Where's your independent study on how that's possible?

>>Look at independent studies and AT&T walks all over T-Mobile,

First of all, independent studies are often flawed, disputable, and in some cases disreputable. I noticed you didn't bother to mention any specific one. But I...
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 19, 2013, 8:18 PM
Zpike said:
>>Subjective my ass. It's a fact.

Opinions are not facts, no matter how badly you want them to be. But what's even worse is that what's at issue here is how other people feel about the service they're getting. And you want to be the voice that says all these people would prefer ATT but choose T-mobile anyway. But only a retard would suggest that a company like T-mobile could remain in business with a customer base that's entirely dissatisfied with its service. Where's your independent study on how that's possible?

>>Look at independent studies and AT&T walks all over T-Mobile,

First of all, independent studies are often flawed, disputable, and in some cases disreputable. I noticed you didn't bother to
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WhySoBluePandaBear

Sep 19, 2013, 8:26 PM
This is like comparing a Ferrari (top end model, because I know you're going to be dumb about this) to a Corvette, and then try saying that we can't really say which is better - it's subjective and up to each person's perception and opinion right? Well no, not really, the Ferrari is better in most scenarios, hence a BETTER product.

Instead you're going to use that "Oh it's a wash" logic and try to find ways to invalidate the easy truth.


Again, Ferrari being a lot more expensive (just like AT&T having a TON more money) makes this unfair - but regardless of how unfair the world is, the Ferrari (AT&T) is better than T-Mobile (the Corvette) - mostly because T-Mobile is a VALUE carrier.
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Zpike

Sep 20, 2013, 1:47 AM
>>This is like comparing a Ferrari (top end model, because I know you're going to be dumb about this) to a Corvette, and then try saying that we can't really say which is better - it's subjective and up to each person's perception and opinion right? Well no, not really, the Ferrari is better in most scenarios, hence a BETTER product.

That's a prime example of being subjective. You cannot assert your preferences on other people. Your opinions will never be facts. Saying it over and over again doesn't make it so.

>>Instead you're going to use that "Oh it's a wash" logic and try to find ways to invalidate the easy truth.

What in the world are you talking about? You've really lost it.

>>Again, Ferrari being a lot more expensive (j...
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Zpike

Sep 20, 2013, 1:41 AM
>>No, no and no - I don't care and you're wrong. .

Wow, my 4 year old makes a better argument than that. You're really showing your mental aptitude now.

>>AT&T on average, in general and on a national scale, is a MUCH better carrier than T-Mobile.

Well,that's your opinion. But T-mobile has a plenty of customers who disagree with you. And no matter how badly you want everyone in the world to recognize ATT as the superior carrier, many people will still disagree with you. And that's why T-mobile has customers. It's really quite sad that you can't grasp something so simple.

>> I'm sure you're itching to tell me T-Mobile has better customer service,

Well actually, they do. And that's probably one of the reasons some of their custo...
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Slammer

Sep 18, 2013, 7:03 PM
Pardon me for my rebuttal Panda but service is selective by consumers that shop wisely vs by marketing hoopla.

Why pay a larger carrier top dollar for coverage if coverage isn't needed. I use Sprint not because it is touted as the best. I use it because it is the best for me. I sat down and mapped out the places I most frequent then mapped out that Sprint covers these very areas. The end result is that I have coverage everywhere I go and escape the higher prices made by the larger
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Imagine the offset if more people shopped this way vs marketing. Money better saved for things more important like life's more priority level agendas.

I learned along time ago that the two largest carriers are not always the best when you look at a mor...
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navydave

Sep 18, 2013, 9:33 AM
The idea would to be trash the whole DMCA into the ashcan of history. You sold it, I bought, it its now mine.
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arox413

Sep 20, 2013, 7:18 AM
For one it's not stupid from a business stand point at all to lock the phone to a carrier. It gives the customer an incentive to stay or pay off their ETF. 2nd, if you really think that this will end because they say you can unlock your phone at any time do you really think they won't come up with something else, like no more discounts. You have to remember, yes you paid $200 for that phone with contract but the out of contract price was $650 that has to be recouped.
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