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jwbass1985

May 13, 2005, 3:54 PM
😁 Great! now everybody can be a terrorist! 😁
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jwbass1985

May 13, 2005, 3:55 PM
I'd like to hear what the media says about the health of cell phone users when this comes out!
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wfine81

May 13, 2005, 4:03 PM
just what I was thinking, since we all know, cell phones DO give us brain tumors. 🙄
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pcrisp07

May 13, 2005, 4:37 PM
good finally a battery that wont run out.
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muchdrama

May 13, 2005, 6:36 PM
pcrisp07 said:
good finally a battery that wont run out.
But will leave you sterile.
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wfine81

May 13, 2005, 6:44 PM
sweet, no more pulling out! 😁
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richabi

May 13, 2005, 7:07 PM
rofl. thats one of the funniest things ive heard on these forums 🤣
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Loony2nz

May 13, 2005, 7:58 PM
OMG! ROFLMAO!
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Al_Swearengen

May 14, 2005, 11:10 AM
😳

🤣 🤣 🤣
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KnifeySpooney

May 13, 2005, 7:07 PM
If i'm lucky, I may wind up with super powers. that'd be alright.
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muchdrama

May 14, 2005, 1:16 PM
KnifeySpooney said:
If i'm lucky, I may wind up with super powers. that'd be alright.
You may want to mix in a gamma-irradiated spider somewhere.
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pcrisp07

May 13, 2005, 9:51 PM
and with cancerous tumors, but its worth it though for a battery that lasts. LOL
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muchdrama

May 14, 2005, 1:17 PM
pcrisp07 said:
and with cancerous tumors, but its worth it though for a battery that lasts. LOL
Haven't you funny ideas about cancerous tumors.
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DDA

May 14, 2005, 10:32 AM
Lets give it to Nextel18.

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muchdrama

May 14, 2005, 1:23 PM
DDA said:
Lets give it to Nextel18.

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Oh, that's horrible. But funny.

I think my point being that nuclear powered batteries are possibly the dumbest idea ever. I can imagine their uses in the industrial or governmental sectors...but on a common, commercial level? Where idiots and terrorists can get ahold of them and subvert these things through stupidity or plain maliciousness? No thanks.
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Al_Swearengen

May 14, 2005, 1:29 PM
muchdrama said:
DDA said:
Lets give it to Nextel18.

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Oh, that's horrible. But funny.

I think my point being that nuclear powered batteries are possibly the dumbest idea ever. I can imagine their uses in the industrial or governmental sectors...but on a common, commercial level? Where idiots and terrorists can get ahold of them and subvert these things through stupidity or plain maliciousness? No thanks.


Oh, come on. You know those batteries won't be released until Bush's 1984 Social Cleansing policy is well under way. By that time, there won't be any terrorists. Or freethinkers. Or Forums... 😕
Yikes.
Yay for neoconservatism!!! 😁
Where is my NUKIA N seri...
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Rathrok

May 14, 2005, 2:25 PM
Talk about over dramatic... 🙄
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Al_Swearengen

May 14, 2005, 2:31 PM
Rathrok said:
Talk about over dramatic... 🙄


Talk about not getting a joke... 🙄
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wfine81

May 14, 2005, 2:48 PM
Lol, thats funny, but somewhat true

Bush= 😈
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judog2g

May 16, 2005, 9:29 AM
😳! Oh No terrorist are everywhere! Give me a break. Its a crying shame how terrified and idiotic they have made us. I'm not ready to surrender my free thoughts for a make shift way of thinking. f outta here!
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Wenadin

May 17, 2005, 9:24 AM
Yeah, that's why a 16 year old kid was able to make a nuclear reactor out of the small amounts of isotopes in fire alarms and old paint. It's not that we're afraid of this happening, it's just that where there's a will, there's a way and we're just giving people a way to mess with nuclear material on a silver platter. Stupid people and people willing to sacrifice anything to make people afraid should not have such easy access to this kind of technology.
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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 3:46 PM
Which kid figured out this now? And when?

I'll worry when they figure out how to miraculously squeeze a nuclear blast out of vastly subcritical masses of barely radioactive materials. Since this presently violates our current understanding of physics, I remain rather underwhelmed. 😛
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wfine81

May 14, 2005, 2:49 PM
Nextel18 is just a little fish in a big sea, he wants to feel important and likes everybody thinking he knows everything, he is harmless, just a lonely sales rep, as long as we continue to humor him he should bo ok 😉
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muchdrama

May 13, 2005, 5:44 PM
jwbass1985 said:
😁 Great! now everybody can be a terrorist! 😁
Can I throw my nuclear powered batteries in the kitchen garbage?
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jwbass1985

May 13, 2005, 6:21 PM
Somehow I doubt that...we'll all have to use tongs and hazmat suits be around them...LOL
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muchdrama

May 13, 2005, 6:35 PM
jwbass1985 said:
Somehow I doubt that...we'll all have to use tongs and hazmat suits be around them...LOL
One more way to irradiate, atomize, or otherwise kill ourselves. Go human race!
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Cell_Phone_Man

May 13, 2005, 7:48 PM
I can see 1,000 years from now people will be saying, "Our forfathers invented the battery to benifit man-kind, however it brought about the downfall of civilization." What other bright ideas can people think of?
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Loony2nz

May 13, 2005, 8:00 PM
I'm having an image of Old New York (Futurama)
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VOLVORacr

May 13, 2005, 9:37 PM
What no optimism, imagine the potential.

Fully electrical cars that go 2000 miles with out a charge, limitless space travel.

Cell batteries could be the first step.

Back in the 1400's nobody wanted to travel the oceans because they thought they would fall off the edge. If they kept attitude we probably wouldn't have cell phones.
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Dyingunman

May 14, 2005, 9:49 AM
VOLVORacr said:
What no optimism, imagine the potential.

Fully electrical cars that go 2000 miles with out a charge, limitless space travel.

Cell batteries could be the first step.

Back in the 1400's nobody wanted to travel the oceans because they thought they would fall off the edge. If they kept attitude we probably wouldn't have cell phones.


Ocean = Scurvy...Cure: Citrus

Radiation = Cancer...Cure: More Radiation?
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wfine81

May 14, 2005, 9:52 AM
Have you never heard of people with cancer going for radiation treatment?
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Dyingunman

May 14, 2005, 9:53 AM
wfine81 said:
Have you never heard of people with cancer going for radiation treatment?


that's my point
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HolyMoto

May 19, 2005, 11:44 AM
Are you serious? 😲 😕
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muchdrama

May 14, 2005, 1:14 PM
Dyingunman said:
VOLVORacr said:
What no optimism, imagine the potential.

Fully electrical cars that go 2000 miles with out a charge, limitless space travel.

Cell batteries could be the first step.

Back in the 1400's nobody wanted to travel the oceans because they thought they would fall off the edge. If they kept attitude we probably wouldn't have cell phones.


Ocean = Scurvy...Cure: Citrus

Radiation = Cancer...Cure: More Radiation?
Oh, that's like the best post I've read in months.
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muchdrama

May 14, 2005, 1:13 PM
VOLVORacr said:
What no optimism, imagine the potential.

Fully electrical cars that go 2000 miles with out a charge, limitless space travel.

Cell batteries could be the first step.

Back in the 1400's nobody wanted to travel the oceans because they thought they would fall off the edge. If they kept attitude we probably wouldn't have cell phones.
All that glorious power crammed into a battery with the half-life of a hydrogen bomb. Like I said, I'll pass.
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PooFlinger1

May 14, 2005, 2:58 PM
The stupidity and thickheadedness of the humand race never ceases to amaze me. You get more radiation from drinking TAP WATER than you will probably ever recieve from using a cell phone. Cooking in the kitchen with a microwave, BEING OUTSIDE IN THE SUN. All of these emit radiation and guess what, your skin absorbs it. And chances are that the power that turns your lights on comes from, yup, you guessed it, a nuclear power plant. As soon as the word nuclear is said everybody always says oh no, not nuclear, thats dangerous. Well, so is picking your nose while you drive, but how many people die from that? probably alot more than die from radiation poisioning each year. Fact is that just because something is radioactive or powered by nuc...
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Rathrok

May 14, 2005, 3:09 PM
Unless you're drinking your tap water with your head inside a running microwave, you are not getting more radiation from drinking than from using your cell. What do you think is emitted from your cell phone?? Though it much lower power than a microwave oven, it is still emitting... micro-waves. I am not one of those people you see with there cell phone attached to their ear, so I don't care about the "danger" of cell phones. But you have to wonder down the road about the people who have it attached..
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PooFlinger1

May 14, 2005, 3:40 PM
most people that use their phones alot use a headset, so they phone is never reaally near the head. And yes, you do absorb radiation from drinking tap water. Radium and other elements have shown that drinking tap water can lead to cancer, miscarages in pregnant women, and other assorted illnesses. This of course varies from area to area, but I cannot find any legitimate documented sickness in humans as a result of using a cellphone. Now before going completely off topic, I was stating that It's crazy about how fast people shun something powered by something radioactive, when in fact they subject themselves to much worse conditions on a daily basis!
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muchdrama

May 15, 2005, 12:57 PM
PooFlinger1 said:
most people that use their phones alot use a headset, so they phone is never reaally near the head. And yes, you do absorb radiation from drinking tap water. Radium and other elements have shown that drinking tap water can lead to cancer, miscarages in pregnant women, and other assorted illnesses. This of course varies from area to area, but I cannot find any legitimate documented sickness in humans as a result of using a cellphone. Now before going completely off topic, I was stating that It's crazy about how fast people shun something powered by something radioactive, when in fact they subject themselves to much worse conditions on a daily basis!
Those folks that have a headset plastere...
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Aleq

May 15, 2005, 2:10 PM
muchdrama said:
PooFlinger1 said:
most people that use their phones alot use a headset, so they phone is never reaally near the head. And yes, you do absorb radiation from drinking tap water. Radium and other elements have shown that drinking tap water can lead to cancer, miscarages in pregnant women, and other assorted illnesses. This of course varies from area to area, but I cannot find any legitimate documented sickness in humans as a result of using a cellphone. Now before going completely off topic, I was stating that It's crazy about how fast people shun something powered by something radioactive, when in fact they subject themselves to much worse conditions on a daily basis!
Thos
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Rathrok

May 16, 2005, 9:40 AM
Funny you mention that. I believe there is a study out there, that shows it may infact do that. I'll have to dig around when I am at home and post a link.
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muchdrama

May 16, 2005, 2:02 PM
Rathrok said:
Funny you mention that. I believe there is a study out there, that shows it may infact do that. I'll have to dig around when I am at home and post a link.
Oh, geeze...here I am jesting, and I've been lugging around my cell in my left pocket for 3 years. Greeeeeeeeeeat.
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Aleq

May 17, 2005, 8:36 AM
muchdrama said:
Rathrok said:
Funny you mention that. I believe there is a study out there, that shows it may infact do that. I'll have to dig around when I am at home and post a link.
Oh, geeze...here I am jesting, and I've been lugging around my cell in my left pocket for 3 years. Greeeeeeeeeeat.

Well, at least whatever kids you do have will all be right handed... 😳 🤣
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Aleq

May 17, 2005, 8:37 AM
...or right flippered... 😎
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twoferflinching

May 17, 2005, 9:21 PM
stapling the my phone to my face was the worst decision i ever made .. it turned my eyes blue
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VOLVORacr

May 14, 2005, 3:36 PM
Amen!
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amosjones

May 14, 2005, 4:26 PM
I like the way you think. The truth of the matter is so many people whine and moan about the consumption of petrolium based fuels, then when we get a real alternative, they whine some more. This power source is much more attractive to me than hydrogen power, yea lets deplete our water to power our cars and light up our cell phones. Good thinking Einstine.

Low level nuclear power is much cleaner and safer than coal, or oil, or guns. Oh and all the stupidness about terrorist attacks. What was the wepon of choice of the last big attack??? oh thats right box cutters and really big airplanes. Don't you think we should regulate that first?

Back to the topic at hand, I see this as spawning a new type of cell phone that we have not s...
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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 8:25 PM
amosjones said:
I like the way you think. The truth of the matter is so many people whine and moan about the consumption of petrolium based fuels, then when we get a real alternative, they whine some more. This power source is much more attractive to me than hydrogen power, yea lets deplete our water to power our cars and light up our cell phones. Good thinking Einstine.


Looks like these ones use tritium... hydrogen isotope. Water still enters into the picture somewhere (probably heavy water, as tritium is currently only produced as a biproduct of nuclear fission).

These things are an alternative to current batteries, not to fossil fuels. These cells might have endurance, but they only produce that...
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muchdrama

May 15, 2005, 12:55 PM
PooFlinger1 said:
The stupidity and thickheadedness of the humand race never ceases to amaze me. You get more radiation from drinking TAP WATER than you will probably ever recieve from using a cell phone. Cooking in the kitchen with a microwave, BEING OUTSIDE IN THE SUN. All of these emit radiation and guess what, your skin absorbs it. And chances are that the power that turns your lights on comes from, yup, you guessed it, a nuclear power plant. As soon as the word nuclear is said everybody always says oh no, not nuclear, thats dangerous. Well, so is picking your nose while you drive, but how many people die from that? probably alot more than die from radiation poisioning each year. Fact is that just because some
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Echternacht

May 16, 2005, 1:54 PM
According to the article, the nuclear battery uses a rare hydrogen isotope, tritium, or hydrogen-3 (cf. deuterium, hydrogen-2). It's both easily manufactured by bombarding lithium-6 atoms, and it's also a bi-product of nuclear explosions and power-producing reactors. It also occurs naturally in trace amounts in the atmosphere and ends up in our tap-water. Chances are, we've got some in our body right now.

The half-life's about 12, 13 years, meaning it breaks down rather quickly. It's also the least dangerous radioactive substances. Getting cancer from tritium would be like the rat who gets cancer from being pumped with nutrasweet: you'd need to have your body filled with an unproportioned amount of highly tritiated water for weeks on end ...
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muchdrama

May 16, 2005, 2:01 PM
Echternacht said:
According to the article, the nuclear battery uses a rare hydrogen isotope, tritium, or hydrogen-3 (cf. deuterium, hydrogen-2). It's both easily manufactured by bombarding lithium-6 atoms, and it's also a bi-product of nuclear explosions and power-producing reactors. It also occurs naturally in trace amounts in the atmosphere and ends up in our tap-water. Chances are, we've got some in our body right now.

The half-life's about 12, 13 years, meaning it breaks down rather quickly. It's also the least dangerous radioactive substances. Getting cancer from tritium would be like the rat who gets cancer from being pumped with nutrasweet: you'd need to have your body filled with an unproportioned amount of hi
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lexical

May 16, 2005, 3:37 PM
Umm... I think thats the radiation emanating from your monitor. Or maybe just the choking sarcasm vapor coming from the other forums 😉
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muchdrama

May 16, 2005, 4:33 PM
lexical said:
Umm... I think thats the radiation emanating from your monitor. Or maybe just the choking sarcasm vapor coming from the other forums 😉
*Gack!*
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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 8:33 PM
muchdrama said:
Are you a nuclear physicist? No? Then you'll pardon me if I totally ignore your opinion. Twenty years ago we were told tap water couldn't harm us. Thirty years ago we were told the land dumps corporations built whole suburbs over were safe. Forty years ago smoking was for studs! And you know what? They were all idiots to tell us such things. Johns Hopkins can't even tell us if eggs are good or bad for us. I'm not putting something nuclear powered in ANYthing I use regularly...especially my cell phone. Natch? Natch!

Nuclear power is a stupendous misnomer for this thing.

No fission, no fusion, no nuclear reaction. No reaction, and nuclear ceases to be an appropriate term.

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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 5:34 PM
Well, the article does specify that it's only appropriate to devices that require low power but long endurance (eg safety sensors).

This thing isn't a reactor. It's just a cleaner alternative to a radiothermal generator.
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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 2:33 PM
Umm... as long as the battery is depleted, sure. Tritium decays naturally into inert hydrogen. The actual contents of one of these BetaVoltaic batteries would be rather less environmentally nasty than your current cell phone battery, let alone an old lead-acid or ni-cad battery which is loaded with heavy metals.

A dead betavoltaic battery would contain hydrogen, plastic, silicon, and probably aluminum or steel. All fairly innocuous.
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notacop

May 14, 2005, 6:44 PM
you guys apparently did not read the article at all did you?


quote:

There were a number of practical reasons for selecting tritium as the source of energy, says co-author Larry Gadeken of BetaBatt - particularly safety and containment.

"Tritium emits only low energy beta particles (electrons) that can be shielded by very thin materials, such as a sheet of paper," says Gadeken. "The hermetically-sealed, metallic BetaBattery cases will encapsulate the entire radioactive energy source, just like a normal battery contains its chemical source so it cannot escape."

Even if the hermetic case were to be breached, adds Gadeken, the source material the team is developing will be a hard plastic that incorporates tritium into its chemical ...
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jwbass1985

May 14, 2005, 9:54 PM
Actually, I read the entire article...unlike yourself, who decides to take it seriously, we decided to make a JOKE out of it and be SMART and FUNNY...sorry if it offended you!
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HolyMoto

May 19, 2005, 11:51 AM
You guys got it all wrong. It's "nuclear"...
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Jon_Webb

May 19, 2005, 3:10 PM
Yep. All you need is the material to make a fission bomb, and the means to extract the tritium from a few hundred thousand dollars worth of betavoltaic batteries, access to classified weapons technology, and a lot of luck, and you too can make a multi-stage fusion warhead instead of a wimpy fission bomb.

Or you could recover the tritium from scraping glow-in-the-dark wristwatch dials.
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jwbass1985

May 19, 2005, 5:08 PM
LOL 😁 That's too much! 😁
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